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12:00
The fuck is this "Turn 15b" shit.
@AlexM. Oh good. Hack my twitter also? It's kinda boring
It screws up the numbering
Ask @thecoshman.
Not really
Also it's not important
12:02
@CatPlusPlus To you nothing is important. No surprise there.
Ugh it's not referenced anywhere, it's just a log
@CatPlusPlus Yes, before this letter shit was introduced, the number of the proposals - 300 was equal to the number of the turn.
And this show parallel stuff better than sequential numbering
12:03
lol
Still not important
Esp that number of proposals is not related to the turn number anymore
true
yesterday, by thecoshman
@R.MartinhoFernandes you boob. How are we having all these 'parallel' turns when you are giving them sequential numbers? This is all turn 15, maybe do like 15a 15b 15c etc.
I hope we get 30 fucking parallel turns some day so that you have no idea what to put after.
12:04
inb4 Turn 15aa
Or just go into non-Latin stuff
Turn 321💩
Also ugh fucking dicsourse and history spam
Turn 💩💩💩
@Jefffrey Cue something calling it "base-26" #petpeeves /cc @Lightness
12:05
Every base is base 10
I'm gonna play 1 whole match of Factorio, to see if everything works good, and then I'm gonna buy it, and then we'll see each other next year.
that's not sexist, that's just ugly and disturbing
dat face is horror movie level
also just wait until GTA V comes to PC, the world will explode
it has first person sex scenes with hookers
@AlexM. What.
GTA V was not on PC?
imagine all the feminazis going on about a game with first person sex scenes with hookers that you can also kill
@CatPlusPlus We're cleaning up the house. I think it will calm down later.
12:13
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, it's not released yet
@AlexM. s/the world /feminists/
@Jefffrey why are we helping them publicize this
which is a nice side-effect
if I am going to see another widowed leading character in Christopher Nolan's movies I am going to maul someone! For some reasons, he doesn't like to permanently partner his leading man with some lady ...
TARS is not widowed.
12:14
lol
yet
@sehe because it's hilarious
And don't give me nonsense about some Coop dude. TARS is clearly the lead character in Interstellar.
3
No spoilers
TARS da best. There, spoiled everything.
TARS is the guy that make the deathstar explode saving the day in the end.
</spoiler>
CASE is boring and KIPP is dead. TARS is everything. The movie also has humans.
TARS is p funny.
Ell
Ell
man why wont my css border work
12:19
rubby can't connect to VM's SSH
Suddenly
Guess it's good time for a break
@Jefffrey Dunno, she is clearly dressed. Does the society scream bloody murder at ice skating ladies as well? They are often no more dressed than the Spider-woman on the picture.
> feminists
if people had less freedom on their hands to do random shit, this feminist crap would have never started
s/freedom/free time/
@VáclavZeman It's not about nudity...
12:24
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it about the outlines of the body being clearly visible?
@R.MartinhoFernandes pfft
It's clearly not about what's visible, because there's a title on top.
gah, I can't take this anymore
I tell ya, in 200 years from now, women will grow dicks
and we'll be the ones getting nailed
was this even an issue in the media 10 years ago
how the hell did this feminist movement explode
@AlexM. It reached a wide range of people because of the people that found it hilarious and shared it with other people to laugh about it.
there is nothing to laugh about
12:29
Just like how Justin Bieber started.
it's sad and wrong and pointless
@AlexM. It's nothing new. It's definitely an expanding issue in tech, though.
The world has grown less tolerant, that's a fact.
yes, it's an expanding issue in tech, boo hoo
@Jefffrey Now that, sadly, is true. Internet people shared the nonsense enough that executives noticed and were able to get their hook in, then spread the disease to the low-intelligence masses who then keep it going like the everlasting nuclear reaction at the core of our sun.
12:30
@Jefffrey oh. yeah. I missed hat
@rubenvb lolwut??
it most certainly has not
In some ways this is good (less tolerance for discrimination by peers) but in other was it's a bad thing (no tolerance for the humorous side)
you don't see me starting a !feminist movement because there's plenty of websites about cooking that are filled with women
> The significance of this lies in the principle dominating the economy of the bee--the most highly organized and intelligently coordinated system of any form of nonrational animal life--the all-governing supremacy of the instinct for immortality which makes divinity out of motherhood. tfcbooks.com/tesla/1926-01-30.htm
give gifts appropriate for women
12:31
@sehe Buy a new one then.
and assume the reader is a woman
I so don't give a shit that I'm not welcome in their women communities about cooking
@AlexM. We don't care about you.
Gosh, that was a really strong argument.
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you care about?
Me and TARS
:D
And there's my next avatar. Excellent.
12:37
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lemme see?
lol @R.MartinhoFernandes 125 upvotes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Kinky
Cool movie ref, no more girl picture though?
Interstellar was amazing
12:38
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 1/10 not enough boobs
can you please add boobs?
@TonyTheLion You just saw it?
@Jefffrey No I saw it last week
The first time I saw TARS I was like: "What the fuck is it supposed to do in war? Be a shield? It's barely able to move on a plain terrain!". Then they show the power of that thing.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit at least the robot was in orbit
12:40
pls no spoilers
I might watch it too in a few days
The robots are kinda unrealistic though.
I cringed a bit at first. It seemed ridiculously hinky. Then TARS and CASE fucking kick arse.
But cool sci-fi nonetheless
12:41
@AlexM. fair enough
@AlexM. You are way too late.
what, it's not airing anymore?
Watch it in english if you can.
by airing I mean in cinemas
yes
We had an english version with subtitles here in our cinemas.
12:42
we don't usually dub movies
@rubenvb You use "tolerance" in a sense that nobody else does. I cannot tolerate this.
only stuff like Pixar or Disney movies get dubbed
My friends convinced me to go to the italian one.
Worst choice of that day.
@Jefffrey Oh please. It'll be six years until Interstellar screens in Romania. It takes a while to dub it over with all those goat noises.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit To make sure I don't violate my tolerant nature, I shall tolerate your intolerance.
12:43
I think I'll go see it tomorrow
hmm
Definitely worth seeing, imho
this is one of a few movies that's worth the cinema ticket
though I paid like 16.55 GBP for mine :(
@TonyTheLion wtf
Welcome to Chelsea, London
lol
here it's like $8 popcorn + soda included
12:45
@TonyTheLion £14 here sucker
Even without the mobility, it could pilot shit, as it does in space.
@AlexM. included?! wtf
I mean it's some $5 or so w/o the popcorn and soda
@AlexM. my popcorn and soda was like another 10 GBP
I don't go inside w/o popcorn and soda
12:45
Yeah around that here too
@R.MartinhoFernandes It took a while to become clear that they are effectively support personnel. At the point of TARS's introduction I thought they were saying he was an actual replacement for human marines lol
anyway
Cinema trip cost me over 25 GBP :(
at least the movie was good
~5 GBP
loluk
Cinema costs somethings like €8 (ticket) + €8 (medium soda and medium popcorns)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmm. The customisable parameters were what gave it away for me. A soldier doesn't need advanced and complex interaction with humans.
12:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes True
> They people re-use CC content might be cannibals and nazis and use the answers for summoning the devil, (at least the the PHP answers)
TIL PHP summons the devil.
A medic/paramedic/whatever-rescue-people, however, might truly benefit from such possessing such abilities.
And then we see him rescuing Amelia.
When I watched interstellar we chose the latest projection of the day (it started around 11PM). And when it was time to start the second half, there was a problem so that the video would only display "Interval 5 minutes", but the audio would go normal. So I went out with 4 other people to complain, and the cinema was completely empty. This particular cinema has 12 huge projection rooms + 1 pizza thing + games on the top floor + 2 popcorns things. It's huge.

And we were there screaming in an empty cinema at 1AM in the morming. It was p cool.
Then we saw 4-5 people outside of the cinema smocking a cigarette and they were employees apparently.
Cinemas ultimately suck
@R.MartinhoFernandes Seriously, stop.
12:53
Esp now that there's 30 fucking minutes of goddamn ads before the film even starts
You are spoiling to everyone.
@CatPlusPlus You can enter 30 minutes after the "beginning".
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Warning: spoilers! [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
In fact we bought the tickets ~15 minutes after the movie officially started.
And also all the copyright shit
12:55
How does that affect you watching a movie in the cinema?
Soon you'll have to go through metal detector and a fucking search
It's annoying
Yeah, what's the problem?
Also has a high rate of false positives
What copyright shit?
I have no idea what you mean by copyright shit.
There are no checks for camera or whatever here.
Like not at all.
12:56
Try it then :v
Nah, why would I?
Why would you do that?
Camera ripped movie suck anyway.
@Jefffrey you just haven't noticed the row of snipers at the back. They see everything
Ell
Ell
12:56
^what colour is this? the background of the title
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Also has a high rate of false positives
What does?
I still don't know what you are talking about.
@jalf possible
Scanning for phones and shit
god
@Cat, no one knows what Polish cinema bullshit you are talking about.
lol Poland
12:57
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, there's nothing like that here.
no one scans for phones in cinemas here
also geez, 15 minutes? 30? How many ads do they show in your primitive countries?
25 mins here IIRC
P sure there is, you just didn't pay attention to all the warning screens that accuse you of being a pirate
@jalf There are lots of beers here.
@CatPlusPlus There are no such screens.
12:58
@TonyTheLion that is insane
Pay attention next time :v
@CatPlusPlus There are no such screens.
@jalf How many mins do you have in Denmark?
Or congrats on finding a cinema that didn't succumb to the rest of the industry yet??
@CatPlusPlus There are no such screens.
Ell
Ell
12:59
You wouldn't steal a car
They don't even give a warning to turn off your cellphone because noise or whatever.
@TonyTheLion I dunno, I never counted. 5-10 minutes, typically
It's beer ads, trailers, movie.
Nothing else.
@jalf Woah
Ell
Ell
haven't any of you seen these warnings? youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
12:59
@Ell No, not even that old adage.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, we get those. I don't mind though, they tend to at least make those funny here
@Ell On DVDs yea
can't remember in the Cinema
@CatPlusPlus Judging from everyone's experience here, it's like that all over Western Europe.
Poland is definitely not "the rest of the industry".
I don't believe you
13:01
What are we supposed to do about that, exactly? :p
I had a phone when I saw interstellar.
When did you last go cinema Cat?
I even took the phone out of my pocket few times to check the time.
I never even turn off my phone.
Like 2 months ago
13:02
oh
I was gonna ask if it was before or after 2000
The one annoying thing here is that there's a 5-minute pause between the ads and the trailers so people can go out and buy their favourite beer.
O.o
It's 30 minutes of ads then phone/piracy warnings then maybe the film will start
@TonyTheLion It wasn't there before 2000 so there's that
It's the recent decade
13:03
Man, I'm glad I don't have to put up with any of that when I go to see a movie
Soon(tm)
That said, I just get there after the beer ads.
@CatPlusPlus resent decade
@jalf Yeah, it's fucked up.
Also who the fuck came up with the word "trailer" for this?
trawler :)
13:05
also I don't think its entirely unreasonable that they don't want people pirating cinema movies
@TonyTheLion dat font type
movies cost money to make, they have to pay for it somehow
Or they can go to hell for all I care
@TonyTheLion it's not unreasonable that they don't want it. However the basis of society is cooperation, not repression
I pay to deal with idiots making noises and then I also have to go through the fucking ads
13:07
@Jefffrey Don't forget Cassini!
Make tickets more expensive if you can't cope with the costs
Don't waste my time
Also fuck you and your warnings die in fire copyright
If I didn't go with friends I just wouldn't ever bother with cinemas
would you even go outside?
Also meh I have to go to the office again tomorrow
@TonyTheLion but how desperate do you have to be to want to watch a shakycam recording of a movie?
13:08
@Jefffrey the turn '15a' '15b' is because these are parallel proposals. they were all done within the context of robots turn 15, and now we have my turn 16. By your logic we would be on turn 18 or 19 or something like that.
@jalf yea that too
My student status expired and HR wants something from me
but I guess some people are cheap/desperate enough for that
if I want to pirate a movie, I get a dvd rip or something, not a friggin handheld cameraphone recording of some retard in a cinema :p
3
That DVD releases are artificially delayed is dumb too
13:10
@thecoshman Yeah. I don't see the problem. How is the regular turn relevant?
@CatPlusPlus Its all about the money
That's probably why they don't bother with those "plz don't pirate" notices outside of Poland (and Mericuh?)
Yes fuck that industry
@TonyTheLion You can say that of about an industry.
Including Factorio's industries.
Customer experience is horrible
13:11
@CatPlusPlus you pay your neighbours to have loud sex? Or... you mean for them to have less loud sex? Or you mean, your only refuge is the cinema (because it's sound isolated)?
... for you.
I love Cats optimism
Yeah me too. I also love minimalism
Right, if there's ever an unconference in Copenhagen, we're going to watch a movie!
@CatPlusPlus o piece of you
@CatPlusPlus No, he meant for you the Poles.
It's ok for everyone else.
It's an US thing
You'll get it sooner or later
The part you're missing is that it existed at some point.
Cinemas will die before that happens.
13:16
It's past.
And unfortunately they'll die soon.
Good riddance
@CatPlusPlus because Poland is a decade ahead of the rest of Europe when it comes to Cinema technology?
Yes because it's about technology
How do they scan for phones?
Do you get checked at the entrance?
13:17
lol
FTR that's called non-static (or instance) method functions. And it's a pretty darn good clue which pointer is dangling :) — sehe 20 secs ago
Night-vision or something
this looks like a bit of a mess ^
@Jefffrey If we are going to track turns, we should track 'turns', IMO any way.
13:18
A parallel turn is a turn.
@thecoshman They're all turns, though.
@R.MartinhoFernandes when there's a person with hands, there is a phone. This heuristic works 99% of the time
I think it's a neater way of doing what you were already doing, saying what is 'main turn' and what is 'parallel turn'
@R.MartinhoFernandes but some are the mandatory turn, and some are the optional turn.
Also we are going way too fast now.
ITT thecoshman setting up rigorous terms of conversation
13:19
I want the thing cosh said.
About having a queue and only one open vote at a time.
> I'm all out of fucks to give
?
@CatPlusPlus you're working under the assumption that cinemas in the rest of the world would see such a move as something that would actually benefit them
oh that... :|
@Jefffrey :P proposal worked out then... sort of
I have no idea what is going on now tbh.
13:20
@jalf That they dropped it would imply otherwise.
I'm operating under the assumption that MPAA/RIAA and shit like that are behind it
Fast is good, but we gotta go less fast.
@sehe huh?
Well MPAA-likes
So now we have like 4 things to vote on?
And what is going on with R101
It should not be a regulation IMO.
OMG 15 notifications
wat is going on
stahp
13:28
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure, that too
@JonathanDrapeau: Lol, that solves that. I think it's more likely, though, that the individual concerned took them off himself, as I drew his attention to this topic a short time ago and the change appears to have been made since then. — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
fucking WIN
see, sometimes calling someone "morally reprehensible" is a net positive
> can a CC-by-SA work be DRMed ?
WTF kind of question is that.
People don't know what DRM is.
might not be that stupid a question... like, you can't enforce that it stays that way...
Or to put it better, DRM has already been run to the ground as a useful term.
DRM is literally Hitler
Exactly my point.
13:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't see the problem with the question
They're asking whether you can take a work, reproduce it in accordance with CC-by-SA, then distribute it behind a wall of DRM without now violating CC-by-SA.
The answer, incidentally, is probably "no". DRMing removes the ability to further examine, modify and reproduce the work.
Er.
That's exactly what is wrong with the question.
(Which is the whole point of DRM in the first place)
It assumes too much.
What does it assume?
Except the actual facts of the actual case under discussion
lol, so we have an internal tool with a 'jira project' to track the problems it has. Correction, 'which had a'. Seems they've solved all the issues by wiping the slate clean
13:52
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That DRMing invariably removes the ability to further examine, modify and reproduce the work.
No.
@RobertHarvey For whatever it's worth, the threshold of what constitutes a disallowed DRM by Creative Commons: "A technological measure is considered an ETM if circumventing it carries penalties under laws fulfilling obligations under Article 11 of the WIPO Copyright Treaty". That said, I have no idea if that applies to whatever Amazon does to their files, whether they are "DRM-free" or not. CC has explicitly said using an obscure format or platform is not prohibited (though not encouraged, of course). — apsillers Oct 6 at 17:01
The licence has already taken care of that for you. "Assumptions" neither required nor involved.
Just so we're all clear. OP is using Opera 12.16. It's the almost latest and greatest. Some misunderstanding has arisen due to the useragent's format. However, they're not running an ancient version. It's new. It's fresh. It's Norwegian. — J. Steen 5 hours ago
Is that a meme? "It's Norwegian"
But I'm curious as to what you think DRM does other than removing the ability to further examine, modify and reproduce the work.
That's ... um ... that's its job.
Well, sort of. I suppose a content owner could allow that but emplace some other random restrictions and use DRM to do so.
Is that what you mean?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a tool to enforce digital rights.
Yes let's get vaguer that'll help
13:54
@sehe Opera is Norwegian.
Oprah*
and no she isn't
@thecoshman uh oh
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just removed the specificity from which rights are enforced.
my boss recently batch RESOLVED/FIXED a shitton of old bugs just because we hadn't gotten around to them yet. No approval from higher-ups. not even the correct resolution.
I guess he wants to be seen as actually having some value by doing stuff but frankly he's doing the wrong stuff
and he's currently on holiday again
yes, yes I do
Hmm. I have a bug that I can only reproduce if the window is on one of the screens.
@thecoshman Isn't it common behaviour to wipe the issues slate clean once in a while? IIRC once they become a certain age, it's basically impossible to reproduce or fix them anyway.
13:59
@Puppy Closed them as obsolete and let them there. People using older versions may benefit from knowing there is a bug, or from workarounds included there.

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