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11:00 PM
1 mol of helium weighs 4 gram, since the atomic weight is 4, and so on.
 
ok, got it
 
user1804599
helium has atomic weight 4
 
user1804599
not 2
 
hmm, is the basic isotope 2 neutrons then?
 
user1804599
yes
 
11:00 PM
ah, must be only hydrogen with 0 neutrons.
 
the EGit plugin for Eclipse works well
 
user1804599
2 protons without neutrons ain't gonna happen.
 
I don't feel SourceTree's absence on Linux
 
How do you get how many moles of Cu there are in 1.250 * 10^4 grams of Cu12As4S13, though?
 
well, the atomic weight of Cu12As4S13 = 12 * weight(Cu) + 4 * weight(As) + 13 * weight(S).
 
user1804599
11:01 PM
oh
 
so let's say that's 1500 like the guy said before, which is not that unfeasible.
 
@AlexM. lolclipse
 
then we know that 1 mol of Cu12As4S13 weighs 1500 grams.
and since we have 1250 grams of this stuff, then we know that we have 0.8 or whatever mols of this stuff.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's slow, but when it comes to supporting languages, I can't find a better IDE
at least for D, the alternative is Visual D
 
It's shit not an IDE
 
11:03 PM
which costs money because it requires VS pro
 
@Puppy 0.8 of the whole stuff, not just Cu
 
now if you wanted to know how many mols of Cu that is, then, since there's 12 Cu per this stuff, then that's 12 * (1500 / 1250)
 
I'd rather use ed and compile in my head
 
@Jefffrey Right. But since we know the molecular formula, we can easily convert from mols of stuff to mols of Cu.
 
lol Visual D
last time I installed it, it broke C++ autocompletion
 
11:04 PM
since 1 mol of this stuff contains 12 mol of Cu, by definition of that formula.
 
Unless weight(Cu) == weight(As) == weight(S) or you know weight(Cu), then you can't possibly get how many moles of Cu there are there
 
nope.
 
wait
 
we know that there are 12 Cu atoms in each molecule.
 
11:05 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
so it's just 12 * (mols of molecule)
 
it's not that bad
but I dunno about how you used it
it works for me
I kinda wish it wasn't this laggy though
 
It's terrible
 
wait, we have 1250 grams of Cu?
 
I'm less productive with that stupid shit than I'm with Notepad
 
11:06 PM
no, 1250 grams of stuff.
 
user1646075
no - the fraction of the stuff that is the fraction weight(Cu) / 1500
 
user1804599
I've been watching steampunk art tutorials now for two hours.
 
then I don't get why you do 12 * (1500 / 1250)
 
@Jefffrey Er, 1250/1500. I got it a little mixed up.
 
11:07 PM
which is ~0.8
 
right.
but we know in advance that for each molecule of stuff, there are 12 copper atoms, so for each mole of stuff, there are 12 moles of copper.
the guy's answer didn't ask for the weight of the copper, although you could of course convert from moles to weight if you want to.
of course this is kinda simplified because we're using the rounded atomic weights and taking that guy's number for the atomic weight of a molecule of stuff, which I also rounded, but that doesn't really matter.
 
nope
I don't get it
you are saying that 12 * (1250 / 1500) is the number of moles of Cu there are, correct?
oh I get it
 
user1646075
Yes, 'cos a mole is just a massively scaled value for a count
 
user1646075
so the other shit tells you how many moles of original substance, and if you can rip 12 Cu out of each molecule you'll have 12 lots of that count
 
user1646075
They're probably trying to lock into your brain the fact that a mole is a scaled count with this exercise.
 
user1646075
11:15 PM
What is a common name for Cu12As4S13? And is it safe to sprinkle on my pudding?
 
So 1 mole of Cu12As4S13 contains 12 moles of Cu, 4 moles of As and 13 moles of S?
 
user1646075
bingo
 
user1646075
hah - "Binnite". Thank you google.
 
yes it does make sense
 
user1646075
1,000,000 cars = 1 mega-car
 
user1646075
11:16 PM
take the tyres off, and you'll have 4 mega-tyres
 
lol
 
user1646075
<Science!><
 
Oh man, I haven't done this stuff in years
~4 years
 
user1646075
where are you getting it from?
 
what am I getting what?
 
user1646075
11:19 PM
Is this uni homework?
 
dunno, ask corvid
he is the one that posted it
 
user1646075
well that's a crowd-sourced answer
 
user1646075
> In honour of the unit, some chemists celebrate October 23 (a reference to the 10^23 part of the Avogadro constant) as "Mole Day"
 
user1646075
Some chemists need to get a life.
 
Ell
@aclarke if celebrating isn't having a life then I don't know what is
 
user1646075
11:24 PM
sage words...
 
having wife and kids probably
and/or a successful position within your industry
 
user1646075
"What do you want to drink?" "Gimme 70 moles of cola please"
 
Isn't it weird that a good slice of the population all want the same life?
you know, soul mate, maybe kids, enough money to live comfortably
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey it's called the Biological Imperative
 
man. I keep getting the same answer.
 
user1646075
11:27 PM
Soul mate is a fantasy-representation of a psychological urge to pair-bond.
 
@aclarke Wouldn't that just mean "fuck fuck fuck"?
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I don't think so, humans have few young and bring them up well
Maybe if women birthed hundreds of children every year then fuck fuck fuck would be what men wanted
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey survival of the human species evolved to requiring long-term support of the next generation. Any mutation towards keeping the parents together made it more likely for the offspring to survive.
 
I don't think we have the same mentality as animals anymore
 
user1646075
Remember, humans are a pair-bonding psyche patched on top of a polygynous* ape brain
* not the correct word, but you get my drift
 
user1646075
11:30 PM
@Jefffrey no, it's been heavily extended with/due to massive brain growth enabling it
 
I mean, we have instincts and all that jazz, but we are growing fairly good at keeping them at bay and not let them control us.
 
user1646075
in fact, humans seem to have a brain that is sufficiently programmable to overcome/augment/replace most instinctual urges that keep other species going
 
In this society you don't go very far if you let your instincts go wild
So why some of us all want that anyway?
 
user1646075
but surprisingly enough, if you ignore them you end up seriously disfunctional and unlikely to procreate either.
 
and quite prone to dying
 
11:33 PM
An high school professor of mine (chemist) once told me: "The more you study science, the more you realize this couldn't possibly have been a serie of coincidences."
And he was an atheist AFAIK
 
user1646075
application of intelligence and culturally learned behaviours, including delayed gratification in order to win the bigger game
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey funny, the more I study science the more I believe there is little need for any planning.
 
user1646075
nature-wise
 
user1646075
anyway, coincidence is not the same as causality, so maybe he's referring to that :-)
 
It's also funny how evolution seems to be the result of animals having fear of death.
 
11:35 PM
D's unit testing is nice
you write unit tests wherever you want like
unittest
{
...
}
and after adding the -unittest compiler flag, the unit tests get bundled up with the app
 
user1646075
Programmers can be in a good position to understand layers. Silicon atoms at sufficient complexity make logic gates. Logic gates of sufficient complexity .... machine code at sufficient complexity ... C-like languages... High-level languages... applications... porn.
 
and are executed after static initialization
when you run the app
 
Probably some of the early organisms were all cool about dying and then they were eaten by other organisms that were less cool about dying.
So now we are the result of organisms being afraid of dying.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey until you get to the seriously multi-celled organism, there was no concepts such as fear, cool, dying, surviving
 
No shit we are afraid of dying.
 
user1646075
11:37 PM
just "what happened kept happening"
 
@aclarke It must have happened at some time.
Just imagine the first animals just all killing themselves.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey having a brain capable of getting washed with hormones that triggered shifts in behaviour leads to what feels like emotions and opinions
 
there's also this neat thing where if you follow the declaration of something with a documented unittest, the unit test's source code becomes part of the thing's documentation (as example)
 
opinions are showers of hormones?
wat
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey the ones that didn't stretch and move to envelop food, no matter what form it may be in, did not grow so well, or manage to spawn.
 
11:39 PM
... which seems to not work with Eclipse and this plugin
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey maybe not opinions :-) more like little apps to make a terrible analogy
 
@aclarke Yeah, I mean. Do we actually know if that's actually good?
What if after life there's something better.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey HORRRRRRMONES
 
Maybe those that let themselves being eaten by others were actually the smarter ones.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey that's an unfalsifiable question so I can't speculate
 
user1646075
11:41 PM
@Jefffrey no, only a creature capable of wearing black, slashing it's skin and calling itself an Emo is capable of thinking that way
 
I mean, we are all cocky about being the best specie on earth (unless you are one of those "omg humans are the worst" hippies) because we are so good at surviving and planning on how to survive even more.
Maybe we are the dumbest ones, not being able to let go.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey not as cocky as a cat.
 
I'm feeling thin and crispy.
 
user1646075
@MartinJames what flavour?
 
@MartinJames Oh fuck this, I'll eat you right away.
Not. In. A. Sexual. Way
 
user1646075
11:43 PM
@Jefffrey he said innocently
 
Crispy is the best.
 
Double pepperoni., with extra pepperoni, chillies and tabasco.
 
@Jefffrey Jury's out on that one.
 
user1804599
hey @Jefffrey I'm naming my game Jeffrey.
 
it's yet to be written whether or not we will have devastated our environment too much to continue to survive.
 
user1646075
11:45 PM
@Puppy and anyway, who cares what a species thinks, collectively? At the end of the day - are they successful or not. I find it hard not to crystal-ball that humans are reaching plague levels and are about to starve themselves out of existence, like too many bunnies on a small island
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we find a way to fix it or move somewhere else.
We are just 100 years away from populating the moon.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey All I can see is that we need to have better population restraint and optimise food distribution.
 
I'll give it 250 years and we'll be able to populate other planets.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey In the future, "Kids, stop annoying me! Go play outside" will never be heard.
 
lol
 
11:47 PM
@Jefffrey That'll never happen.
there are no natural resources of note on the Moon, and no reason for us to live there.
at least, none known.
and the same is true of Mars.
 
@Puppy Overpopulation seems like a good one.
 
user1646075
@Puppy is the moon rock considered capable of converting to usable farm soil/
 
@Jefffrey There's no way we could possibly shift enough people.
 
... now.
 
user1646075
@Puppy <<== this
 
11:48 PM
... and in the future, they'll have to shift even more people.
 
user1646075
and to what?
 
and when those people get to the Moon, they will survive on the absolutely nothing that's there.
 
@Puppy Because bringing soil and making food there is not possible?
 
well, not really.
you'd basically have to encase the entire Moon in glass.
 
user1646075
if we develop the ability to perform that much work, surely it would be far more effectively used here on the ground to sort out all the problems
 
11:49 PM
@Puppy Or maybe just your house.
 
user1646075
@Puppy and magnetic shields
 
@Jefffrey That's not going to protect the kilometers of farmland I need to produce the food for me to survive.
let alone water, energy, the problems of low gravity, etc.
the lack of natural weather systems
 
user1646075
At least there'll be plenty of dairy.
 
@AlexM. ^ should be your new avatar
:P
 
the fact is, going to the Moon basically means picking up a piece of the Earth and putting it there, which is pointless.
 
11:50 PM
@Borgleader but I'm normal!
 
a piece of Earth on the Moon can support just as many, if not more, people here on the Earth.
 
user1646075
@AlexM. nobody can make that claim for themselves
 
@Puppy Unless you can't travel further and you have overpopulation issues.
More surface == more people can live.
 
no, no it does not.
 
user1646075
@Jefffrey might be cheaper to fund wars and pestilence.
 
11:51 PM
you need more productive surface.
 
Both for resources and actualy physical space
 
@Borgleader who's that though
I need the info for... research purposes
 
> Unless you can't travel further
 
user1646075
/insert conspiracy theory
 
@Jefffrey Travel has nothing to do with it.
you can't support more people on the Moon with the same amount of arable land.
 
11:51 PM
It has if your only option is the moon.
 
the Moon is not any kind of option.
 
It's probably easier to dry up enough water than colonize the moon
 
living on the Moon would require far more resources from Earth than living on Earth.
 
w/e
 
it would practically be cheaper to build floating colonies on the sea.
 
11:52 PM
Let's build glass domes underwater
 
nerds
 
but really, the only solution as per usual to our problems is substantially more advanced technology.
 
user1646075
the only hope of extra-terrestrial survival is the hypothetical option of fast and massive inter-stellar travel. At the very least that's required even just to seed a few new Adam and Eves
 
user1804599
The Moon is a moon.
 
fusion power, more efficient materials and processes, etc.
 
user1804599
11:53 PM
@aclarke The Moon is an alien space ship.
 
user1646075
@rightføld Can we attach warp drive to it?
 
of course, in theory, you could cover the Moon in solar panels.
no weather or life to disturb there.
 
user1646075
@Puppy a few nuclear strikes should fuse enough silicon
 
@Puppy I doubt that. Even theoretically.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. also in, out and invariant.
 
11:54 PM
@aclarke Not very effective in space.
 
user1804599
Except for the required () after invariant which is an abomination.
 
user1646075
@Puppy ... a few thousand ?
 
@AlexM. Suzuya from Tokyo Ghoul according to comments
 
user1804599
D's syntax is ugly.
 
@Columbo Theoretically speaking, a solar panel on the Moon should receive more solar energy than here on Earth, since there is no atmosphere. It would also produce much more predictable power since there's no variation in plant or animal life.
@aclarke Not controlled enough.
 
user1804599
11:55 PM
But what would you expect from a person insane enough to write a C++ compiler?
 
@stoyanstefanov Also, the font family name needs to be less than 32 characters in IE: http://codepen.io/bramstein/pen/oAIvr
lol
 
user1646075
@Puppy so, you're saying we'd have a hard time terra-forming the moon
 
gj IE
 
I think this song is pretty good:
 
@Borgleader ew, he's a guy
 
11:55 PM
 
@aclarke If by "hard time" you mean "We'd practically have to build a whole new moon", then yes.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey need moar std::string
 
Albeit mainstream...
 
user1646075
@Puppy :->>
 
@Puppy How does the fact that there is no variation in plant of animal life relevant?
 
user1646075
11:56 PM
@Columbo There's a sentient old-style gas cooker on the moon. It's documented in Wallace and Gromit
 
@Columbo Well, for one, if you put a solar panel on the moon, then there's more space on Earth for plant or animal life to survive, including us.
 
You mean the panels aren't covered by growing plants or destroyed by raging puppies?
 
try, the panels don't displace growing plants or raging puppies.
or human factories or rainforests.
 
user1646075
@Puppy in fact, the panels would be a great place for the puppy to mark
 
that would be one way for the Moon's surface area to be useful.
 
user1804599
11:57 PM
B******** is a great song.
 
@Puppy That's what you meant! I thought you were solely on about effectiveness.
 
user1804599
Is should listen to it more often.
 
but shifting enough mass in solar panels would be more than problematic.
not to mention how to get the power back down to Earth.
 
user1646075
@rightføld <<== using ****** are my eyes deceiving me?
 
we'd probably have to use a carbon nanotube space elevator or something.
 
user1804599
11:58 PM
It's the actual name of the song.
 
user1804599
@Puppy by car
 
user1646075
my bad
 
user1804599
Just make roads.
 
on the upside
 
@rightføld What a terrible name
but.. aww
 
11:59 PM
empty vacuum of space is probably easy for our existing superconductors.
 
I have to go to sleep. But I can't, the Lounge won't let me. Halfway through clicking on the poweroff-button I think I might miss some funny comment...
 
anyway I gotta go to bed
good night.
 
user1804599
I'm going to make panels that I can flip 90º wirelessly and put them around the entire Earth.
 
user1804599
Then I can charge people for sunlight.
 
@rightføld Googling "B******** " leads to results starting with the letter B followed by 8 words.
 
11:59 PM
@rightføld You are a genius.
Just... exceptionally brilliant.
 
user1646075
@Columbo Gimme your number, we'll SMS you.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked lolwot
 
user1646075
ciao to the sleepy heads
 

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