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11:00 PM
aaaaaa dicsourse
 
also I wish LLVM was better :(
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@nightcracker I think a number of us would agree with that (especially @Puppy). I'd be quite a bit happier if it just had better (consistent, reasonably up to date) docs.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's like a cancer that spreads I guess.
 
@CatPlusPlus You're claiming to be partially sober? I think I'll need concrete evidence to believe that.
 
11:04 PM
@JerryCoffin docs are terrible (it basically comes down to "read the source"), it desperately needs a cross-platform linker, some serious effort is needed to fix the LLVM ecosystem on windows and it needs some redesign to make things more generic (new exception/calling conventions) is on the top of my list from the top of my head
@JerryCoffin especially regards the last part it feels more like a C++ compiler that had some generalizations slapped on later than a true cross-platform codegen
 
Ell
I asked the other day what the advantages if exceptions over returning Maybe are
I forgot the answer
 
More context
 
no explicit handling makes user code that doesn't care cleaner
 
Exceptions are more like a n-ary variant type
+ unwind matters for cleanup and shit
 
@CatPlusPlus you can unwind with maybe panics as well though
 
11:08 PM
Yes
 
@JerryCoffin I have linked this before, but I'm very interested in millcomputing.com/docs , writing a code gen for that seems like bliss
 
@JerryCoffin I can type still
 
@nightcracker really neat
 
@CatPlusPlus I can type when I'm not at all sober. Have done so many times.
 
We've switched to whiskey so that might not last though
 
11:10 PM
@Puppy It seems you've forgotten about that
 
@nightcracker I'm not sure writing any LLVM codegen is what I'd call "bliss", but it does look like a pretty cool design.
 
Better than writing codegen from scratch
LLVM API is not that good
 
@CatPlusPlus I'll stick to carrot juice
 
Careful you might get offended by words here or something
 
11:13 PM
Yes, my son?
 
I keep typing unitiliazed copy
please help Sehe, oh mighty one
 
Drink more
Also I'm god
 
no
you're cat
OMG
 
That's what I said
I'm your king
obey
 
god = dog in reverse = puppy = ilmrnati cnfrmd
5
 
11:13 PM
lol
 
Ell
@bd1251252 I love carrot juixe
 
@nightcracker Gah. Those sentient beings always assuming I'm the mighty one. I wonder what books they read. Or is it some prank played by the mice that I sent to rule the less advanced of my creations?
 
@Ell hard to find around here these days, not many places carry it
 
@nightcracker Cats all think they're gods. Dogs think their owners are gods.
 
Alcohols everywhere though...obvioously lol
 
11:15 PM
@JerryCoffin and chickens don't give no fucks
 
:19749160
 
Good response
 
@sehe Thank you. Not quite sure how that happened, AAMOF. Maybe my keyboard also has some water in it.
 
Whoa. "Cross Platform GUID Association with Types" seems like such a twisted title for a (C++!?!?!) talk... I wonder whether it's "our" Vlad
@JerryCoffin I'd guess carrot juixe
 
Then again, maybe my keyboard is drunk. Or maybe it's just telling me I'm overdue to drink at least a little.
 
11:18 PM
Don't feed alcohol to your keyboard
 
Ell
@sehe you make me laugh out loud
 
Nah. That looks a safish Vlad. It's about COM though. That explains
 
When did people have to start "paying" for Internet service?
 
@sehe Nah--even being about COM, it's still not nearly incoherent enough to be our Vlad.
 
Indeed.
 
11:21 PM
@bd1251252 As soon as it changed from "DARPANet" to "The Internet".
 
@bd1251252 When did they stop paying for each BBS call per minute, and also subscribe to the right services?
 
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@Ell yeah, it mixes really well with tequila
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks, I'll look into that. Feel like reading some history
 
Ell
I haven't had real tequilla in a while
 
My dad always told me when I was younger about his first email account and his Apple 2c, scary to think of how far communications/computers have come in ~30-40 years
 
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11:22 PM
@Ell I hit the mezcal a few months ago for a few bottles. That smokey, throat-burning sensation really brung back the memories
 
@bd1251252 oh the bonding
 
Tried vodka once with half and half, didn't taste too bad
 
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but not the food, thank domestic-animals
 
(half and half lemonade, like the arnold palmer)
 
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ewww
 
11:23 PM
sor whatev
 
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@bd1251252 You'd probably enjoy a light beer and mineral water shandy.
 
That's what my sister tells me
She likes this german beer (I forget the name), should give it a try when she moves here
 
@bd1251252 my first email account was when I wrote questions /on paper/ (with a typewriter, sometimes) and handed them to someone who was in university and had access to /news groups/. He'd print some responses and hand them to me when he visited his parental home again (or we met at orchestra rehearsal)
 
@JerryCoffin Honestly, I have a few issues with LLVM but it's really not that bad. Clang is much worse.
 
TBH that was matrix printer era, not lint typewriter anymore
 
11:25 PM
also, sitrep: I don't think I've ended up with cheesegrated skin this time, but it still doesn't feel smooth.
 
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@sehe and what a lovely sound accompanied that era
 
time to discard the razor? I only used it like, three or four times.
 
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@Puppy might take a while to settle.
 
or perhaps I didn't apply sufficient of that gel/foam/stuff
 
@aclarke especially on high density!
 
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11:26 PM
skin takes training. Even balls can become regularly shavable.
 
@sehe I used to play in an orchestra at Hochstein here in Rochester before I went to Eastman. Violinist. And yeah, that's interesting...it's so hard for someone my age to imagine a world without the Internet, talking to one /another almost instantly via txting etc.
 
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Or so @sehe tells me.
 
@Puppy Doesn't take very much.
 
> Vocl dick suck lick fuck my tits
youtube comments, best comments
 
@aclarke That was in private.
 
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11:27 PM
So anyone had a notable wank this weekend?
 
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@sehe not where we bumped into each other. Good thing the sun was shining
 
Ell
@aclarke nothing notable really
 
I'm still astonished by how bad comment linking is on youtube.
 
@JerryCoffin Well I noticed that neither the gel/foam/stuff nor the aftershave stuff actually tells you how much to apply.
 
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@Ell just the regular overhand? ok
 
11:28 PM
@bd1251252 Violinist here too. Although I evolved to be more of a pianist
 
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@Puppy just enough to get by.
 
aaaa it's Sunday why are we drinking whiskey
I blame this entire fucking industry
 
I'm drinking tea
 
@Puppy My cynical side suggests that they want you to apply a lot more than you really need.
 
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@Puppy hey, you know how they say "don't shave against the grain", but going with the grain does a shit job? I sorta do across the grain, just enough to make it work. Pro Tip.
 
11:28 PM
Nobody is drinking whiskey here cat
 
@JerryCoffin Is what I was thinking.
 
@sehe Always wanted to play the Piano or guitar. My dad's a guitarist and I sat through enough of his lessons to become quite fond of it. Sisters play piano and violin as well
 
@Jefffrey I am with my flatmate
 
@aclarke Currently, I do pretty much every direction regardless of grain. Still insufficient result.
 
I sometimes apply /just/ soap. Because it's less messy. And works plenty fine
 
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11:29 PM
@JerryCoffin That's what the advertisers want you to believe. Who actually uses the amount of toothpase they show on the ads?
 
Hello everyone.
 
Ah. Those are memories.
Music bonds better than Macintosh memories :)
 
@Puppy Maybe time to try a different razor?
 
Shaving sucks
 
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@Puppy sounds like too many repeats. Try to accept a less than perfect result for a few sessions so it all settles in
 
11:29 PM
Agh it's still half cut off.
 
Don't shave
Trim instead
 
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@Nooble mornings.
 
Damn...businesses...there's certain ones that are good, but a lot of them piss me off
surely everyone has their gripes
 
I'm a go sleep. Night all :)
 
@aclarke Nobody should. My dentist is quite adamant that you should only use about a pea-sized bit of toothpaste.
 
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11:30 PM
ciao.
 
night
 
nite
 
@aclarke It's 6:30 for me. Hey is it just me or is half my avatar cut off?
 
@sehe G'night.
 
yep cut off
 
11:31 PM
@Nooble hehehe
 
@Nooble Still only half vast.
 
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looks like it.
 
nooble so troll
 
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Doge is swimming
 
4 hours ago, by Nooble
I think I fixed it.
 
11:31 PM
@Puppy changing my profile is no longer worth it.
 
It's getting old
 
It looks perfect in SO!
Just not in chat.
 
re-upload img or something
 
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@Nooble SO is only ½ the site that the lounge is
 
I did.
 
11:32 PM
@Nooble no buddy
 
Everyone is going to make half jokes.
 
check again
 
try diff format
 
@Nooble Not for me. And what's that three-digit number below it where your rep would normally be displayed?
 
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@Nooble so what's new?
 
11:33 PM
@JerryCoffin Yeah thinking about it.
 
@JerryCoffin that's it
that's his rep
he is a nooble
 
What the... ? I thought there was a word called unpurposely, isn't that the case?
 
doesn't sound like one...
 
no.
 
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riiiiiiight.....
 
11:34 PM
@Jefffrey I thought rep started at, like, a four-digit number, doesn't it?
 
I know unintentionally exists, I will have to stick to that.
 
when would you use "unpurposely" ?
 
@JerryCoffin only for the best men
 
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unpurposefully
 
@aclarke Haha, now that is a funny word! I have to tell my wife later.
 
11:35 PM
@Jefffrey It's clearly missing a K.
 
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@Columbo if you could be bothered
 
@aclarke sounds like a word
 
@aclarke purposelessly.
 
Rust looks similar-ish to C and Perl
 
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@JerryCoffin that'll be the oceans if climate change continues
 
11:35 PM
with many diff as well
 
@Columbo Just one more thing
How sexy is your wife?
 
@Jefffrey Yes?
 
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@bd1251252 yeah, i find that Haskell looks like VB and COBOL, like with all the words, but many differences
 
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@Jefffrey and how much for the liddle girl
 
@Jefffrey grins Well, she is a beautiful woman.
 
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11:37 PM
your women, how mush
 
@Jefffrey To quote Heinlein, "Even a cockroach is attractive, to another cockroach!"
 
The name nooble originated from an admin being an asshole and changing my irc name to Noob13, which looked like Nooble. So I named my dog this, and started using it as a username.
 
@aclarke I've noticed that lately..like we're covering Python in CSCI I right now, but I decided to give other languages a try at the same time -- C and Perl -- and I saw a bit of a similarity between the two, and now I see some of the same syntax appearing in other languages as well
Not exactly the same of course, but a lot of sim
 
Do people with low rep usually not survive the lounge?
 
syntactic similarity is nearly irrelevant.
 
11:38 PM
> We are not necessarily recommending that all code follow these two rules. They're both likely to be controversial in any discussion on coding standards. However, they are required in submissions to Phobos and other official D source code.
 
@bd1251252 Try out whitespace for different syntax.
 
I know @ZeeZeeZee has lower rep.
 
@Nooble rep doesn't matter
 
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@bd1251252 Programming languages are one big happy incestuous family. Perl is like the hillbilly cousins from the Orzarks
 
I find it curious that Alexandrescu chose to break the rule on brace positioning in his book
 
11:39 PM
@Jefffrey Good.
 
@JerryCoffin ``p Lol I've actually heard of that before, it's neat
@aclarke lol
 
Fuck Perl
And rubby
 
@Nooble The lounge only has people with low rep.
 
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@CatPlusPlus that's aunty perl to you.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not a fan of Ruby either
 
11:40 PM
perl harbour
 
@JerryCoffin But mine is extra low.
 
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@JerryCoffin yeah, either in SO points or real life.
 
I don't even go answer/ask questions on SO anymore.
 
Ell
I'm low rep
 
@Nooble Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.
 
11:41 PM
Ha i'm lowest of all, just really began all of this stuff in the last 3 weeks of the summer, i.e. learning programming
 
@bd1251252 Quit now, while there's still hope!
 
@JerryCoffin lolol
 
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@bd1251252 some people are born programming, some achieve programming, and others have programming thrust upon them
 
@JerryCoffin Not a chance
@aclarke I'll go with the last. Physics wasn't my thing, switched to computational math instead
 
My rep is 120, get on my level.
My low level
 
11:44 PM
Ha 40pts difference means nothing
 
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@Nooble soon you'll be past me. No hurry
 
only 280 points away!
 
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THE RACE IS ON!
 
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owwww! just pulled up lame.
 
lol
 
11:45 PM
@bd1251252 40 points is a microcosm of the Joniverse!
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
Good thing I have, Maximum Overdrive
I have most of my points asking questions...
 
Hey out of curiosity -- I'm sorta more interested in the math that can be done via programming. I've been doing reading lately about GPUs and I was wondering if these new gaming GPUs could be repurposed for that, i.e. lots and lots of caclulations
@Nooble same, no worries
 
The only questions I answer are OpenGL/C++, and I'm not "the best" in C++.
 
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I'm going right to Ludicrous Speed!
 
11:47 PM
@Nooble You're further along than I am
 
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@bd1251252 Gosh, that's an interesting idea! Any one care to comment?
 
@bd1251252 Gaming GPU's are great for OpenGL/CL but you should get a Tegra
 
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I feel Google might answer that pretty quick smart
 
@aclarke No, not really.
 
Gaming GPU's aren't that great with floating point calculations.
 
11:49 PM
GPGPU is in it's infancy, the tools are all very immature, and you can hardly do anything on a GPU anyway.
 
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@Puppy the kid shows promise
 
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heh
 
@bd1251252 Usually called "GPGPU". Been around for a decade or so.
 
@Puppy I've found it's not simple either
 
@Nooble If by that you mean, "FP calculations are literally all they're made for and they have the highest FP throughput of any chips", then yes.
 
11:50 PM
If you can fit your problem in GPU model then you can do it faster
woo
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, I'm familiar with the term
@CatPlusPlus That's what I'm after...
 
@Puppy Not great compared with ones specifically made for GPGPU
 
No one is returning my calls ... Freaking tradesmen
Started ground work
 
For example, GeForce Gaming GPU's vs Tesla's
 
@Nooble Probably because the ones specifically made for GPGPU are like, every GPU for the last ten years or so.
also, GeForces have been made for GPGPU since like, the 8000 series.
Geforces are desktop GPUs and Teslas are workstation GPUs, they're not comparable.
 
11:51 PM
I was looking at purchasing a GTX 980 or 970 in a few weeks for the rig I'm building
 
Oo ... Can't load pic on mobile ...
 
@Puppy They aren't made especially for GPGPU. Tesla's have a greater computational ability.
They don't even output video, I think,
 
@Nooble They have been since 8800. Also, like I said, they're not comparable.
 
Thanks for mentioning Tesla...looking into it, looks neat
 
@Puppy If he is looking at computational programming, he'd better get a tesla over a GeForce card.
 
Ell
11:54 PM
Are Teslas GPUs? Do they even do graphics stuff?
 
It looks like they (at max) can push >1TF, even with double precision (I haven't read up on that terminology, but I'm assuming you guys will know what it means)
I'm not interested in graphics stuff
 
@Ell They don't output video.
 
they're workstation GPUs designed for heavy-lifting in e.g. CGI for films.
the kind where you render frames to a hard drive one per hour instead of 30FPS in real time.
 
Ell
Ooh right
 
How about a comparison? GeForce : Tesla
 
11:56 PM
They are GPU's, but they are not Gaming GPU's
 
@Nooble If I'm never going to game, it's worth it then to get a Tesla over any gaming card?
 
@bd1251252 You can't really do this. Depends on what you wanna do, in your case, choose tesla.
 
@Nooble Math for research
 
Teslas do not output video
 
@Nooble That's cool
 
11:57 PM
They cannot be used for gaming.
 
@Nooble No need for vid
 
Ell
@bd1251252 imho it seems like the case when if you're asking if you need Tesla, then you don't need tesla
 
bingo.
Teslas are bigger, heavier, more expensive, and consume more power.
 
@Ell I'd never heard of Tesla before ~2 mins ago
Just dont want to have to build a cluster or something like that, trying to avoid it
 
ffs
 
11:59 PM
Get some middleground, get a GTX Titan Black, those are optimized for Double Precision floating point calculations.
 
stupid doctor gave me three forms to fill out, and every one of them wants my name, birth date and place, etc.
 
It's probably worth considering price as well--a bottom-end Tesla card starts around $2500 US the last time I looked, and it's pretty close to a normal GeForce. High-end Tesla cards get into the $10000+ US range pretty quickly.
 

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