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Ell
10:01 AM
@AlexM. yeah, kind of ridiculous :P
 
@dolan hi
@dolan you're easily the smartest person in this lounge
 
fyi, not rage quite, afk for holiday :D screw y'all!
 
range quit
 
I have to do GCSE English three hours a week for the next eleven weeks or so, fuck me
 
Ell
@thecoshman have fun!
@Loopunroller lit or lang?
 
user1804599
10:10 AM
TIL about isatty(3).
 
user1804599
That's very useful.
 
@Ell lang (i suppose)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hate thieves with a passion. When I was a boy, a "friend" stole my Gravis gamepad :(
 
@FredOverflow funny, i stole someones gamepad ages ago, still lies around somewhere
 
Why did you steal it?
 
10:12 AM
@FredOverflow the thrill
 
Im just kidding, i didn't steal anyones gamepad
 
user1646075
@sbi oh ummmmmmmmmm - that was a few days ago now... what's the context?
 
@Loopunroller That was a bit obvious
 
@sehe i think you mis-quoted.
 
sbi
10:13 AM
@aclarke That's exactly what I was asking you about. (You do know how to follow the arrow to the message a reply refers to, don't you?)
 
Sep 10 at 22:55, by Alex M.
0
Q: Comparing type's in C++

Colin AvrechI'm working on a custom engine where I have 2 different transform classes, one for 2D and one for 3D. I'm using a #define to choose which transform class to use and using that definition instead of the classname in places where the logic should be the same. I am at a part now where I want them to...

@Loopunroller Most definitely did not
 
Ell
I remember breaking my friends gamecube disc of picmin because I was used to the N64. He said push it in until it clicks :P
 
@aclarke you, too, can follow arrows. It's HTTP (_hyper_text) after all
 
user1646075
@sehe i'll have to look - but got to go home right now... curious myself now. slightly.
 
@sehe what exactly was obvious about it? And i don't mean anticipated
 
user1646075
10:14 AM
@sehe is THAT what they're for?
 
user1646075
just caught the * on shutting down - byes!
 
Ugh Perl update
 
that you did not do such a thing; (it's just too much of a popular story twist to say "Hey, I did that when I was young").
I profusely apologize if I should have said "anticipated" there.
 
user1804599
> Another way to create the same list is pairs = [(v, k) for (k, v) in d.items()].
 
user1804599
10:18 AM
Why not pairs = list(d.items())? :v
 
@sehe and i learned another word today, thank you sir! :)
 
Because they're swapped
 
user1804599
olol :P
 
Ell
@sehe man this sucks :/
 
I want to do something with OpenCL, it looks interesting
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hahaa
 
@sehe I know right
@AlexM. Don't follow the slippery slope of ThePhD
 
did ThePhD try to do something with OpenCL?
 
Why do I have to juggle things around to put a breakpoint inside a lambda :<
 
10:34 AM
@AlexM. Possibly
 
wait, did something actually happen to him?
now that you mention it, I haven't seen ThePhD around lately
 
Sadly no, he's still alive
RIP
 
that reminds me of MSVC6's "feature"
for (int i = 0; ...)
{
}
i = 5; //same i as above
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
10:38 AM
is that behavior actually intended though?
does the if's scope extend to the else too?
 
@AlexM. I doubt that.
The scope of i in for (int i = 0; ...)is guaranteed by the standard to be the for block, IIRC.
 
no, I meant in the if case above
I know the thing about MSVC6 is just wrong
 
@StackedCrooked Oh, me too.
That would be too easy.
 
haha
 
10:42 AM
lol
 
classic
 
I know of some folks with masters degrees that work in McDonalds
@AlexM. it really does that? that's horrible
 
does what? :D
use the reply-to thingy
 
6 mins ago, by Alex M.
for (int i = 0; ...)
{
}
i = 5; //same i as above
That thing
I thought reply-to was a just a lazy way of typing someones name ha
 
yes it does it, I wasn't sure which compiler allowed it since I didn't know what the original sources were compiled with before, so I asked here
it turned out MSVC6 allowed that
I'm not aware of any other compiler to allow that
 
10:45 AM
I bet that caused a few bugs in its time!
 
in dink smallwood's case, it was part of its logic
the game uses that shit extensively
 
that's mad
so much madness recently
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nice.
 
@dolan I bet you know all the directions
 
@ScottW How about we make a "Hodor" and "Groot" accounts and we post comments everywhere just saying "Hodor" and "I am Groot"? Yes?
@sehe Still working on some (I'm not giving up!)
 
10:51 AM
I learned about new kinds of compile errors because of dink smallwood, among which the one thrown when there's a label you can jump to that causes things to not be initialized/not exist at all
 
Abuse of goto and switch?
 
were it not for the game's shitload of goto's, I would have never known that thing existed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean, like, juggle line-end characters?
 
@OMGtechy switch (cond) { case 1: goto handle1; case 2: goto handle2; ... }
 
Ell
Is it possible to implement coroutines with goto?
 
10:52 AM
@dolan You can put me down for it
 
@dolan I died a little inside
 
@sehe Only if I have some time left for you
 
so time. much wow
 
very sehe
 
10:57 AM
(Yes, the censored bits are the same)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How can we be sure you're not outrageously lying
 
I have no idea what that says
 
My neighboor triggered his/her smoke alarm for the 3rd time today
Is he/she going to figure out that SMOKING triggers it
 
average lel
 
FUCK YES
I convinced my employer to go full OAuth2 / OpenID on this shit.
I'm so fucking happy.
 
Bash vulnerability, in case you haven't heard already
7
 
Ell
@Sofffia you mean OpenID Connect 1.0 right? :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Posted already:
6 hours ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
from this
 
11:09 AM
@Ell Yeah, ;)
Whatever python social auth supports.
 
Pinned? Srsly?
 
@dolan Who are you, and why do you care?
 
@chmod711telkitty very descriptive, thanks Kitty
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit whaha bash
 
@FredOverflow Yes I am and yes I do
 
11:17 AM
ok ok i'll stop now
 
what's a restricted employee?
 
__restrict__ employee_t* employee
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit heard and patched
 
lol debian didn't update yet
 
power/well/chill necro works actually OK. I am surprised
 
11:27 AM
Or it's broken package install nvm
apt-get so gud
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your imgur is so yesterday.
 
Nice docs:
> Angles are treated as units

If you don't like this, you can just ignore the angle units and go on your merry way (periodically screwing up when a routine wants degrees and you give it radians instead...)
16 hours ago, by sehe
$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo testing"

vulnerable
testing

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get upgrade

The following packages will be upgraded:
bash
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo testing"

bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt
bash: error importing function definition for `x'
testing
 
@sehe Congratulations!
BTW the flaw isn't fully patched yet
 
Yay.
There's a warning though, instead of the exploit
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Interesting, I didn't realize that. I might read up later
@FredOverflow He's dolan (although it's nick-name change day) and he's just genuinely surprised.
 
11:36 AM
Ugh this one project is running on Ubuntu 13.04
 
user1646075
@sbi ohhhhhhhhhhhh - ancient history already. The good word of the day was "thrice". You guys briefly mentioned it. I put it in a reply. Not really worth it, eh?
 
user1646075
@sehe so, with this bash env problem, what scenarios would allow exploiting it? I don't think I have enough imagination.
 
@aclarke Anything that uses CGI
 
user1646075
@CatPlusPlus ok, safe so far...
 
Well not anything
 
user1646075
11:44 AM
like old-school CGI?
 
user1646075
my company's network guy came for a char this afternoon, and since I'd only read it about 15 miniutes before .....
 
Anything that passes environment down to the shell is a better description
I'm still sleepy
 
user1646075
yeah, it's cool off the command line. I need to get ideas for attack from teh web into my skull
 
user1646075
i guess that's what google is for. Being lazy.
 
> last post here 2d ago
holy shit puppy
 
11:50 AM
rip
 
Puppy was sold into slavery.
 
his boss must have been like "no lounge for you, no, bad puppy"
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes A nice family on a small farm bought him
 
user1646075
for breeding purposes.
 
11:51 AM
Everybody here likes Puppy. :D
So much concern.
 
I don't care about Puppy - is Daisy OK? ;)
 
@Martin more important: did you feed Bailey at all in the last two days?
:P
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
user1804599
This hosting provider offers recovery boot with username "root" and password "recovery" and with SSH :|
 
do-release-upgrade do-release-upgrade do do do
 
11:54 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol - you taking on the 'Did you feed your dog?' mantle now that Puppy is farmed out?
 
So, did he actually get a job?
 
yes
 
@CatPlusPlus Police lyrics.
 
Wow!
Where?
 
11:55 AM
uh
 
In the farm
 
@VáclavZeman Antarct... Bristol.
 
Apache stopped working because it's a good idea to tie services' versions into OS release
thanks mark
 
His task is to go bark for help whenever someone is stuck under the tractor.
 
@Karoly No, That's how you end up in the land of Undefined and Implementation defined behavior. — rubenvb 14 secs ago
 
11:56 AM
@CatPlusPlus ironically, PHP's default cgi stuff is "safe"
1
Q: boost::locale behaves differently on two different but identical systems

HALI have this program: int main() { using namespace boost::locale; generator gen; std::locale::global(gen("")); calendar cal("UTC"); calendar cal_local("Europe/Berlin"); date_time dt_utc(std::time(0), cal); date_time dt_local(std::time(0), cal_local); std::cerr <<...

Nice question title.
 
@sehe It was bound to happen someday
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ranch quit
 
@sehe ..in different, but identical, countries.
 
Yeah. I feel it would be better to use "separate, but identical"
 
My brain cannot cope with the idea that it understood that nonsensical title.
 
11:59 AM
the systems are identical in terms of specifications
but are different as entities
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah - I saw the question earlier. I ignored it as uninteresting for me, not because I noticed the 'issue' with the title:)
 
Two systems that are almost, but not quite, entirely unlike each other
 
user1646075
For the 'shellshock', people seem to be focussing on the fact that bash executes any crap *after* the end of the passed-through function definition. But when that is patched ... what about doing something like

env cd='() { echo All your cd are belong to us; }' bash -c 'cd /tmp'
 
@MartinJames Intel Bristol?
 
is this the legendary Cicada?
I have finally met the legendary Cicada in person
 
12:02 PM
Are you serious
 
@Cicada Don't know. Puppy was not very forthcoming, maybe 'cos NDA or OSA.
 
@MartinJames Hmmm maybe KFC
 
@Cicada lol!
 
@aclarke That requires you to have control over both name and value, the other one is more likely to appear due to bad environment sanitisation, is my guess
 
@Cicada o..or possibly 'Pets At Home'.
 
12:03 PM
maybe Puppy got a job in gamedev and he's too ashamed to admit it
 
user1646075
@AlexM. working for Apple maybe?
 
@AlexM. Our first guess was a PHP job.
 
user1646075
selling iphones/
 
@MartinJames or that, yes
 
Bending iPhones
 
12:04 PM
@aclarke Selling 8.1 bugfixes.
 
user1646075
@MartinJames it's about time...
 
@aclarke Heh - you had iOS problems too?
 
user1804599
Puppy is Bender.
 
user1646075
@MartinJames thought you meant Windows 8.1, honestly... but that's kinda spooky. 8.1 is a cursed number
 
@aclarke Yeah, I forgot briefly about the Win 8.1 KB driver disaster.
 
user1646075
12:07 PM
@MartinJames remove the words KB driver to improve that sentence.
 
Oct 12 '13 at 2:26, by R. Martinho Fernandes
ENTERTAIN ME PUNY HUMANS
 
I'm using 8.1 now, your hardware is just shit :v
 
user1646075
@CatPlusPlus maybe, it's HP
 
user1646075
the behaviour is what shitted me
 
lolptops
 
12:08 PM
8.1 works for me too
 
user1804599
I'm running 2.2 without problems.
 
user1646075
unwelcome gestures, fucking great untextured tiles popping up all over the place.... not a fan
 
user1646075
Windows Family Safety seriously defective....
 
Is the OS giving you the finger?
 
win 9 is going to be announced next week or sth
 
user1646075
12:10 PM
@LucDanton it's certainly was demanding that I have a finger and smear it all over the screen.
 
> Successfully uninstalled passenger-4.0.19
> Successfully installed passenger-4.0.52
HEH
 
@AlexM. A month later, after fixes, we'll have Win 95 back again:)
 
user1646075
no good when you're eating chicken drumsticks
 
@aclarke Poke at screen with the bony end - less messy.
 
user1646075
heh. Voodoo programming
 
user1646075
12:12 PM
would that be putting a hex on the machine then?
 
Ugh....
 
user1646075
@MartinJames shall i stand in the corner?
 
@aclarke Stand anywhere out of punshot.
 
user1646075
 
I have no idea what people have against puns
puns are funny
 
12:14 PM
Hence
 
A dunce cap!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's actually a Win 8 accessory for typing while eating chicken drumsticks.
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes I should make one for the kids. I bet Family Services would have something to say about it though.
 
user1646075
@MartinJames it's a new kind of head wand, so you can work while you bang your head against the keyboard
 
@aclarke I don't think my KB can take any more physical abuse. I'm running out of keytops to swap around.
 
user1646075
12:18 PM
@MartinJames yeah, hard to smash the keyboard now, since it'll take out the screen at the same time.
 
lol need coffee now and the pot is empty. Gotta go recharge.
 
Speaking of keyboards. Did I mention reverse tilt is the best thing ever?
 
emulated PSP games running at 1080p on a PC actually look good
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I tried it but I could not get used to the function keys at the bottom.
 
12:21 PM
Also, the space-bar was too far away.
 
It's just raising the bottom instead of raising the top.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh - I just turned my KB round.
 
I don't even understand why raising the top is a feature.
 
user1646075
@R.MartinhoFernandes are we still talking keyboards?
 
12:26 PM
 
@aclarke If your KB is talking, you should look at a driver update.
 
Ell
woah I just noticed the new @
when did that happen?
 
Xeo
?
 
Xeo
Fancy
I like it
 
12:31 PM
@Ell Been around for ages.
 
Ell
Not for me :P
 
I don't see avatars, but the names do show up
 
user1646075
@Ell didn't you sign on for the beta program?
 
user1804599
@Ell neat
 
turned off adblock, avatars show up now
I would have never known
lol
 
user1646075
12:33 PM
add a white list entry for gravatar
 
just the avatars in the @thing were not showing
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Prolly because of refresh, not because of adblock
 
If male video game characters were dressed like female characters http://t.co/QrQvENBNBM
 
Xeo
Had to refresh to see it
 
so it just got added now?
I thought
3 mins ago, by Martin James
@Ell Been around for ages.
 
12:37 PM
It felt so imperfect. Welcome to programmer life. — sehe 1 min ago
 
@Abyx lol, the German comments.
 
Xeo
Your live example uses C++11, is this valid C++03 syntax? — Wolf 2 hours ago
lol
 
user1804599
@sehe That's quite a long way of asking that.
 
That too
 
Ell
@Abyx
 
12:40 PM
He's fully dressed
 
user1646075
cough
 
Ell
@sehe I don't think a guy in a silk condom counts as fully dressed :L
 
IS facebook hacking is easy I need to hack one account for urgent (sexual harassment)?
 
@Ell In fact, I rarely take the trouble to dress so nicely. It takes me too long. I get bored halfway and settle for shorts again.
 
@Ell Kinda the point
 
12:42 PM
This aptly summarized dogs for me
 
user1804599
@sehe BARteK!
 
BARK'ET
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I know, but it's still nswf :L
I guess I should have guessed to be fair
 
user1804599
I wonder if I can set up a @rightfold.sexy email address that actually uses my Gmail.
 
user1804599
Oh, need to pay for that. :v
 
12:47 PM
didn't spill coke on myself today
I'm now a level 90 soda bottle opener
 
user1804599
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
I'm not showing you pics of me, they're confidential
 
user1804599
Then it didn't happen.
 
2 mins ago, by Alex M.
didn't spill coke on myself today
That's exactly what he said.
:P
 
user1804599
Not spilling coke is what didn't happen.
 
12:54 PM
ugh double negations
 
Ell
double anti-positives
 
Spilling coke is what happened. Almost De Morgan.
 
you must really love browsing imgur
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Noting down "sorry, I was talking to a lizard" as an alternative phrasing of "nevermind"
 
1:06 PM
what's a lizard doing in a shower anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
Some giant Japanese hornets for you
 
fuck fuck fuck
fuck
jesus christ look at that needle
 
@AlexM. he's dead.
 
lol
how do the japanese survive with those things around
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus have you used Chef?
 
1:09 PM
Only briefly
 
user1804599
Was it worse or better than Puppet?
 
It appeared more complicated so I switched to Puppet
 
user1804599
I think I will try Puppet master and clients with some VMs first.
 
Haven't really done much with it
Puppet sucks though, I'm moving to Salt asap
 
@AlexM. some do, some don't
 
Ell
1:11 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit these are frickn' huge
 
@AlexM. They just have really small hands.
 
> Once a Japanese giant hornet has located a hive of European honey bees it leaves pheromone markers around it that quickly attract nest-mates to converge on the hive. A single hornet can kill forty European honey bees in a minute; a group of 30 hornets can destroy an entire hive containing 30,000 bees in a little more than three hours. The hornets kill and dismember the bees, returning to their nest with the bee thoraxes, which they feed to their larvae, leaving heads and limbs behind
insane
 
that's it; closing imgur now
I have just wasted like most of the day
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Oh, okay. I will look at that.
 
user1804599
The website lacks useful information.
 
1:18 PM
This is kind of things I have to do with Puppet to be able to guess if provisioning finished correctly or not: gist.github.com/TheCatPlusPlus/16e70cb47e46b1978daa
Also librarian-puppet (w/e) is terrible
Ruby shit
 
user1804599
Is Salt open-source?
 
> Thirty to forty people die in Japan every year after having been stung,[2][6] which makes the Japanese giant hornet the second most lethal animal in Japan after humans[7] (bears kill zero to five people[8] and venomous snakes kill five to ten people each year).
 
it's so awesome I don't live there
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and parts of that of others! share the joy
 
1:22 PM
@sehe OMG it's like Die Harder but... unspeakably worse and without cheesy one-liners.
 
@AlexM. by outnumbering them
 
@sehe Look how that works for the bees :P
 
bees have those really enticing knees
 
@AlexM. Government-issue personal flamethrowers
 
I'm tempted to say: maybe it felt a little imperfect :/ The other one is in Boost Serialization by the way. — sehe 1 min ago
 
1:31 PM
wow
what a douch
someone downvoted me a bunch of times?
On perfectly good answers too
 
user1804599
Oh Salt documents that it supports Gentoo. :v
 
user1804599
This is already better than Puppet. :v
 
@Chantola it'll be reverted. Takes a ~day
 
user1804599
Let's see if I can get a Debian minion working in a VM.
 
@sehe ok.... I suspect Abyxx...
 
1:39 PM
Who cares
 
@rightfold For learning it's easier to go with master-less setup btw
 
user1804599
Why?
 
Setting the master up is not the hardest part of learning the thing and is just one more thing to worry about
 
user1804599
Okay.
 
user1804599
I wondered why my computer was relatively slow and I forgot VirtualBox was being installed.
 
user1804599
1:49 PM
% VBoxManage
zsh: permission denied: VBoxManage
% which VBoxManage
VBoxManage not found
 
user1804599
wat
 
user1804599
Oh no x bit set.
 
rightfold is well coded
 
I am well coded :P
 
user1804599
"VirtualBox is complaining that the kernel module is not loaded." argh whatever.
 
Ell
1:55 PM
insmod vbox something blah blah
 
visual studio 2010 can't format C++ files?
as in, Ctrl + K, Ctrl + D
actually scratch that, formatting seems to behave completely different from VS2013
 
Nothing can do anything with C++ files
 
adding a matching brace doesn't autoformat the whole thing inside them
Ctrl + K, Ctrl + F with the code selected did the job
 

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