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16:00
There's a number of near misses though
Why is Abyxx so stupid
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Std bind works on functors doesn't it?
Why not. Yes.
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16:18
How do you guys avoid keywords?
I usually do pthis for a parameter called this but I don't really like it
@Ell generally I avoid having code that would need to use this as a parameter
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@Ell this_
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@Ell self
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Or use a decent language and do `this` or @this. :D
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@Xeo I was thinking of this actually
or I could go vb style and use Me
16:22
Synonyms are hard
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zis
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zisse
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I would like compile time strings
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"89 seconds" // compile time string
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16:29
I would like strings as template arguments :P
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Write a preprocessor that transforms ELL_UNPACK("abc") to 'a', 'b', 'c', '\0'!
@AlexM. You're correct The standard requires (§3.9.1/3): "Unsigned integers, declared unsigned, shall obey the laws of arithmetic modulo 2^n where n is the number of bits in the value representation of that particular size of integer."
And (footnote 46): "This implies that unsigned arithmetic does not overflow because a result that cannot be represented by the resulting unsigned integer type is reduced modulo the number that is one greater than the largest value that can be represented by the resulting unsigned integer type."
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Wait. You guys are still on this?
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> error: explicit specialization in non-namespace scope class Foo
aww dernit
16:34
@Xeo They may have had the sense to stop. I'm just catching back up from the transcript (or were you talking about some other "this"?)
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now I'm going to have to do something funky
@LightnessRacesinOrbit shopping time :(
darn it
@Xeo vOv there has to be something to be pedantic over
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16:44
Is it possible to delete non specialized template member functions? ie only allow calling specialized templates
def user_field(user, field, *args):
    if field and hasattr(user, field):
        if args:
            # Setter
            v = args[0]
            if v:
                User = get_user_model()
                v = v[0:User._meta.get_field(field).max_length]
            setattr(user, field, v)
        else:
            # Getter
            return getattr(user, field)
why *args
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@Sofffia no idea
It's vararg syntax
yes, but why
To have varargs? How should I know
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16:50
@Sofffia there is no reason
it's abuse
def user_field(user, field, setter = None):
    if field and hasattr(user, field):
        if setter is not None:
            User = get_user_model()
            max_length = User._meta.get_field(field).max_length
            setattr(user, field, setter[0:max_length])
        else:
            return getattr(user, field)
exactly the same
apart from the fact that that function violates me
it also violates the SRP
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def user_field(*args, **kwargs): raise Exception('fuck programming')
lol
def safe_set_user_field(user, field, setter):
    if field and hasattr(user, field):
        User = get_user_model()
        max_length = User._meta.get_field(field).max_length
        setattr(user, field, setter[0:max_length])

def safe_get_user_field(user, field):
    if field and hasattr(user, field):
        return getattr(user, field)
here hth
lol safe
what now
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16:55
@CatPlusPlus there's no Heartbleed in it, so it's $100% safe
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hmm. I need a key based on signature & name. Should I go with std::unordered_map<std::pair<std::string, std::string>, J::Method>?
> $100%
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or std::unordered_map<std::string, std::unordered_map<std::string, J::Method>>?
you owe me now
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@Sofffia make return None explicit in the getter.
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And rename the functions to something sensible.
@rightfold inb4 set_user_field_or_bail
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Also what the fuck are these functions used for?
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Oh dern. I can't do what I want to do
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Oh Django, lol.
user784668
@rightfold functioning
not, it's not django
it's a library for django
allauth is crap
user1804599
Never said it was Django.
17:00
it works v0v
PHP also works
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I need a heterogeneous map I think. For storing functions in
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The only thing that doesn't work is foreigners.
aw, i was gonna say something about PHP too
the whole problem is that php doesn't work
see unicode
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@Ell What do you want to do?
17:01
see loltypesystem
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At a high level.
Critical emergency
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PHP is better at Unicode than most other languages are.
I ran out of desserts
Not sure how that could happen
/!\
17:01
@rightfold it simply forgets about it?
@dolan are those three "legs"?
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Anyway, time to implement conditionals.
I said multiple times that "it works" is a shitty unhelpful and ultimately irrelevant quality metric (because if it doesn't work then there's no quality to assess)
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And for that I need basic blocks!
@CatPlusPlus sorry, i meant "it works well enough for me"
it's all about lowering your expectations
It's why this industry and most of the code produced is utter shit
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17:03
@rightfold I'm wrapping JNI. I want to be able to store instances of my Method class in a map to save creating a new one everytime a method needs to be called
@CatPlusPlus i agree
but reimplementing all this shit costs
much more
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My method has a signature like template <class ReturnT, class... ArgsT> class Method;
and i'm only talking about the pure auth part (not social auth)
because i had that working already
Fuck. Left my wallet at work.
email verification tokens, password resets, multiple accounts associations, set password, change password, multiple email + verification per each
it's very costly
17:05
Yeah not really
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Question.
Most of these things are already in contrib.auth
lol
not really
user3010322
Is there a network protocol that does everything TCP does without the "and the packets have to come in the right order" bit?
the only thing contrib.auth provides is password management
17:06
Email verification is trivial
everything is trivial in that list, if you take it alone
also fuck maintaining all this logic
It's trivial
i'd rather push fixes to something that everybody uses
so that i can reuse it over and over again
no point in reinventing this shit
Nobody uses that crap
Literally only tricky part is OAuth stuff and python-social-auth does that better
yeah, that's why it has 1000 stars, 20 verified sites using that and 100+ "collaborators"
nobody uses it
17:08
lol 20 sites oh my god
it's actually more used than python social auth
@CatPlusPlus verified sites
PSA is better
it doesn't deal with multiple email association
and verification
Which is the trivial part
still code to mantain
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17:09
PSA: PSA is better
@Fanael I was typing that
the less code i write, the happier i am
here lemme add a comma to make it look good in the starboard
lol
The less code you write the happier I am too
17:11
:c
You already are the embodiment of happiness
also i'll try my best to make allauth less crappy
i promise
ALLAUTH U AKBAR
2
or maybe i could write my own application that does that
and share it with the world
inb4 xkcd about standards
one that is built on top of PSA
i'm panicking
that's why i'm talking this much
calm the fuck down sofia
touch your special spot
oww... this... is... relaxing
Oh hey another girl on this channel! Glad to see I'm not alone
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17:17
wtf
oh....
yes...
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I'm lol'ing
OMG FUCK ME HARD
ow shit
i'm all wet
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@dolan sorry to disappoint you, but this room is 186% sexist assholes, or at least that's my experience
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stfu djedefre
17:18
need to change clothing, bbl
Oh nevermind it's Jefffrey
Sneaky you
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@dolan yes
guise - cat, I need help
user3010322
Mmm.
i need to make a huge decision
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17:20
@Sofffia tac | rev
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Some researcher wrote a UTCP protocol
@ThePhD What's that. Micro TCP?
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But that wasn't exactly a standard thing...
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@dolan Unordered TCP.
i trust cat's judgment... maybe, but this library seems cool and it saves me time and code
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17:21
E.g., guaranteed delivery but unordered receive.
What about it
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I want it.
I'm afraid that he is right.
And I'm going to realize that in the future.
@ThePhD UDP with acks and resending (also why)
and this is super sirius bsness, so i'm scared i'll fuck this up
what should i do?
i can't make decisions
17:23
what cat said
fuck
you'll get flagged by @darkness
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@CatPlusPlus Ordering can block a whole message from getting through. But, truth be told in the area I'm working in, a later packet arriving first means I can just throw out the older one and do an interpolation if necessary.
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Essentially: the order isn't necessary for the data to be intact.
If you throw out the old one why do you need guaranteed delivery?
17:26
Why don't you use RUDP instead of UTCP
You know, Reliable UDP over Unordered TCP
:grin:
Guuuys ;-;
I'm participating in a national programming contest on Saturday! ;_;
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So?
What's the difference between ;-; and ;_;?
I'm happy, okay? ;-;
Sounds like fun.
I had fun when I did the same.
17:27
;-; is cuter than ;_;
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Fuck.
I also organised one in my school.
Twas fun too.
@MohammadAliBaydoun What are those about?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes You know, that's a good point.
@Sofffia I'm a perpetual crier ;-;
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17:29
I guess it's full UDP then, but... if there's no guarantee of delivery, I can receive... well, nothing at all.
@ThePhD Are you doing delta transmission or something? This has been a solved problem for decades
@MohammadAliBaydoun I mean, what will the contest be about?
inb4 programming
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Perhaps the guaranteed part is more just paranoia.
You have 10 programming problems and 5 hours.
@MohammadAliBaydoun pleonasm
17:29
There are no solved problems in PhDLand
5
Team who solves the most or finishes them all first wins.
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:c
It's not like UDP makes an effort to lose your packets.
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@MohammadAliBaydoun I'd rather have 0 programming problems and 5 beers.
@Fanael Me too!
17:30
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe when it goes through the french backbone it does
@Fanael But why limit yourself to a fixed number of beers?
@MohammadAliBaydoun Cool
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@Fanael I'd rather have 0 programming problems and 0 beer!
Why would you rather not have the beer?
You can always sell it.
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Because beer is yucky.
burn it all
17:32
You can always burn it, then .
If you won't do it, who will?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Not enough ethanol to be a good fuel.
Not my problem.
@Fanael Not with that attitude
@Mohammad does this national competition qualify you to the IOI or something?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Idiots of Idiots?
17:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does lead to a competition among winners in the Middle East, and that leads to an international, but I didn't do my research beyond that~
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's apparently this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
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> too many errors emitted, stopping now
It was about to test your program to see if I could replicate your problem. Fortunately I noticed that system("PAUSE"); before I ran it. The PAUSE command on my computer pauses the cooling system for my nuclear reactor. You almost caused a meltdown with your gratuitously non-portable code. — David Schwartz 7 mins ago
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:(
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@dolan cool story
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I'm in include hell
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17:51
Serves you right.
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@Ell Send Ritchie my regards.
8PM and it's dark
rip summer
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That's Tusk's fault
Ffs
I went back to get my wallet and left my backpack.
Just shoot me already.
Good job
Now all you have to do is go back for you backpack and leave the wallet again
17:59
I'll never get home again
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@R.MartinhoFernandes haha that sucks
but it's pretty funny
I love it when autumn comes and it's cold
I have to wear a blouse on top of the tshirt which means I never have to iron my tshirts
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I don't
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Cold sucks
18:04
also, today was an unusually productive day
everything I did was good so I gained momentum from one task to the other
towards the end I was chaining them like crazy
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And when it's cold I usually get a cold.
@AlexM. gg
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Hurray.
@Fanael I usually get a cold when it's hot outside
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I can now compile let id = fn x => x in id 42!
18:06
in the last month at my previous workplace I spent all of my time in front of an AC
and I'd get to work all sweaty because of how hot it was outside
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@AlexM. Myself, I prefer direct current.
@AlexM. best way to get sick
it was the most horrible month of my life
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Why is mains alternating, anyway?
the HQ was this re-purposed 2-story + attic house
18:08
My god ranger is so broken nerf pls
and the programmers had to sit in the attic
which was getting so hot
they had to run the ACs all the time
problem was, the place was so tiny it was almost impossible not to feel the cold air in your face
or worse, your back
@dolan lol
yeah, always cover you back
I am driving home by metro. One guy is sitting near me. He is watching porn.
18:18
do you guys receive pay-tv (legally of course) like sky?
IDGI, is she driving the metro or what?
@JohannesSchaub-litb I have Sky.
I don't like any of this.
@Sofffia do you think paying 40 euros per month for tv+Sky is too expensive?
I pay 35 euros per month for Sky.
planning to order just the national football league channels and championsleague channels of sky
18:19
It's Sky + Sky Cinema.
No sports, nor documentaries.
Sky includes stuff like MTV blabla, Fox Crime, Fox, etc...
The C++ education at my University is absolutely horrible
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@MohammadAliBaydoun C++ education is absolutely horrible everywhere.
inb4 everywhere it's horrible
so close
18:21
ok first that movie where two naked people hug, and now a movie where people just talk at a table, "porn" is getting awfully broad nowadays
Yeah, but this is absolutely mediocre
Rubbish
@Sofffia do you have the HD option?
yeah HD
Not in the pedantic way that we always assert, but in a really grotesque way
@Sofffia ah i see. 10 euros extra here
18:22
here too probably
so 35 euros is very good for what you get there
i remember i payed 22/24 at some point
then we bought an HD tv and now it's 35
@Sofffia does sky cinema include many other stuff in addition to sky?
we are happy with what we have got here
Going home, round 3 :(
18:24
@JohannesSchaub-litb something like 20 24/7 cinema channels + 20 more premium channels for the super latest releases
no ads during movies
only in between movies
english subtitles and audio
oh and I have the decoder that can also record stuff in any channel and store it in a 120GB hard disk
and you can also pause and resume channels
time for beans + sausage + pickles
best combination ever
and finally i have "Sky Go" which allows me to see few movies/tv series on any device I connect the account to
such as mobile, ipad, computer etc...
the 120GB hard disk thingy and Sky Go was an offer IIRC
I would have never payed for them tbh.
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@dolan YOU RACIST
@Sofffia o_0 I thought you were UK
@R.MartinhoFernandes hi
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18:30
@rightfold Can confirm, @dolan won last F1 GP
I wish.
if Jefffrey were from the UK, he wouldn't be getting so angry at my pizza eating habits
So that I could simply take a train to get to the hog roast.
@Sofffia ah. but playing the movies on a normal PC without the smartcard is impossible right?
i mean, the recorded movies
yeah
18:33
@dolan you'd come for a spit roast right?
when they first added this thing it was
@thecoshman a what
it has been almost a year since i've last tried
but to signin you had to use the key on the card or something related to your card, of course
@dolan ... -_- no... no typos...
@thecoshman lol
18:40
@TonyTheLion over her head
@rightfold French people are racist, so I'm not surprised there.
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Why can there be only one implicit parameter list? ;_;
@EtiennedeMartel but... eh... erm... well...
*ominous voice* Displaying a level of xenophobia rivaled only by the Japanese!
> The nerd bait is the female character who essentially fulfills the wishes of most 13-year-old male gamers: she will not just be a brilliant fighter, but she’ll also be sexy as hell (not a crime in of itself), and typically do battle in the most impractical, revealing outfits possible.
found a name for that!
18:46
@EtiennedeMartel /hold mirror
apparently bayonetta is nerd bait
@thecoshman You should look upward. Perhaps you'll see the joke.
@EtiennedeMartel NEVER
@EtiennedeMartel The Japanese just don't like Koreans and the Chinese.
31 secs ago, by Etienne de Martel
@thecoshman You should look upward. Perhaps you'll see the joke.
18:48
They're okay with other foreigners.
Eh. I don't consider it a joke when people actually say it seriously.
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let id = fn x => x in id id id id id i
@thecoshman I don't get it
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It werks!
@Rapptz Putting words in my mouth now eh?
No?
18:49
@dolan hint: NSFW three person activity
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thecoshman being cryptic again?
google it dick butts
@Rapptz Or rather, I don't really see how you can know better than me if I was being serious or not.
Since when does 'people' mean 'Etienne specifically'?
@EtiennedeMartel fyi even if you say it in jest, you still said.
18:51
@Rapptz Oh, so you weren't replying to me. You were just throwing that out there.
Apologies, then.
I meant that other people say things like that a lot.
I mean, there's some truth to it.
@thecoshman Still not
But I think it's overblown.
I know a few people who went often to Japan. They all said they really felt like strangers. Like people were just tolerating them.
@dolan ¬_¬ the lady servicing with both ends.
18:52
Yeah I get that. I lived there for 2 years.
It depends where you are mostly.
But if you're e.g. Korean or Chinese there's no saving you.
They really hate the Korean and Chinese.
@EtiennedeMartel maybe you just know assholes?
Probably not.
@EtiennedeMartel I only know 1 person who went to Japan and he said everybody was awfully nice to him.
@thecoshman ...
@dolan oooh, fyi, pun
18:55
Like running under the rain to give him an umbrella and go home without, themselves, kind of nice.
I've read somewhere Japan is the safest country to be in.
Very low criminality and stuff.
probably because 99.8% of the people who end up in court for crimes also end up in jail
I wouldn't want to commit crimes there
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Capital punishment for jaywalking
@AlexM. That's not a very nice statistic.

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