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user3010322
22:02
Now I need expat.h for Windows and I should be okay.
Well. We're not a flying support squad and our psychic abilities do not quite include remote computer access. If you can't find the cause of the error, perhaps it's an idea to start over. Live with source control, and inspect the change whenever the issue recurs. — sehe 18 secs ago
Fucking Registry
I hope there's nothing important I'm forgetting about in that crap
Profile backed up, important things from second partition backed up
Environment backed up
@CatPlusPlus Last famous words?
user3010322
Oh, cool.
user3010322
2007 expat XML parser
user3010322
22:07
How lovely.
I could image the entire system partition but
user3010322
There's an option for libxml2. Maybe that's better.
Lots of things use Expat
Projects don't need to be continuously updated to work~
@ThePhD sourceforge.net/projects/expat/files has newer versions.
The web page is just outdated.
user3010322
@VáclavZeman libxml2 promises to work on Windows, and makes the differentiation between Cygwin-Windows and Windows-alone (VC++?!)
22:09
Ugh PuTTy sessions are in registry
why don't you use PugiXML
user3010322
BECAUSE OLD C LIBRARIES
@ThePhD xml is a gray dog
@ThePhD I don't like either. Though I do not know how good/bad Xalan-C is.
user3010322
22:11
@Rapptz I'm hacking fontconfig to work on Windows.
It already works on Windows
user3010322
I haven't even begun to sort through what not having unistd.h is going to do to me.
Plenty of projects use it
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus To build with VC++************
lolwut. you tired of living?
user3010322
22:12
I'm tired of sanity.
user3010322
YES THANK YOU I'VE BEEN THERE AND DOWNLOADED IT AND TRIED TO INTEGRATE.
He insists on building shit manually for whatever stupid reason
Even though it's all built
Ell
Ell
is there a "best" xml library for c or c++?
libxml is probably most feature-complete
user3010322
22:14
I'm building shit manually because I'm programming against the latest.
user3010322
If I use the prebuilt I have to also take all of their dependencies too.
@CatPlusPlus Even over Xalan-C?
@ThePhD My point was about them linking to sources and I assume also patches/configurations/etc. that you might need to get it working.
@Ell I'm still quite content with pugixml
user1804599
Hmm, OTOH, they probably use MinGW.
22:15
Eh, dunno, Xerces kinda fell of my radar
user3010322
@VáclavZeman MinGW indeed.
@ThePhD Which is not a fucking problem
But hey have fun
Wasn't there a script for MinGW which emulates gcc driver on top of cl?
@ThePhD It's your choice. Either you can depend on the existing requirements, or you depend on a lot of luck and continued tinkering.
user3010322
I'll take option 2, and vent all the way through.
22:17
Actually, it's not even a zero-sum game. You probably end up with the exact same dependencies plus a lot of luck and continuous tinkering.
It's a maintenance nightmare
Also stupid
ugh
Okay
Time to install Win8.1 I guess
There's only one thing worse than gratuitous or finicky dependencies: it's trying to make-believe they're actually InventedHere(TM) code by adopting code that you can't possibly grok enough to support it (better than the devs/community).
Google also has sort of a "one-size fits all" policy here which means that if we request email address (which we need), we are also requesting a bunch of profile information. So it doesn't actually show any different on the permission screen. — David Fullerton ♦ 1 hour ago
"A Dick Replacement"
@CatPlusPlus Wait. What? Come on, it's not really that bad. You could go see a counselor or something. You don't need to resort to such things, really.
22:24
Installing fresh OS is the fastest way to get rid of VS2012
Puppy has officially gone insane. Randomly spouting about dicks every 20 minutes.
Also I need to change the language and the key anyway
@Ell I've used PugiXML and enjoyed it.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy how was your interview?
@CatPlusPlus Fresh OS, no problem. 8.1? Major problem.
22:26
Beh
Might as well
@Ell offered me the job on the spot
7
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@Puppy awesome! What's the job?
software engineer
user1804599
@Rapptz One does not simply enjoy an XML library for C++.
It was enjoyable for what it was.
22:27
so I did a squash rebase, force pushed it, but people pulling will say their repos are x commits ahead - pushing undos the rebase. why is this happening?
user1804599
So. operator@ is now an identifier.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy Awesome. When are you starting?
monday
Ell
Ell
Cool. Excited? nervous?
definitely
22:28
C++?
no
user1804599
PHP
C++48
Well you dodged that bullet!
inb4Haskell
user1804599
22:29
COBOL for grandpa puppy
COBOL jobs pay 20k monthly not yearly
Really?
Did I miss something?
It's a shit job in forever maintaining enormous ancient systems that can't fail
user1804599
Well, COBOL programmers are the few people able to maintain ancient software run by companies that have shitloads of money.
Of course it pays a lot
Nobody wants to do it and even less people know how to do it
22:31
Heh
I guess.
Surprising though. I would think that it would be obsolete by now.
welcome to the real world
Where crap thrives
It's plenty obsolete
Doesn't mean it's going to get replaced
They can't even gradually replace it?
idk, the number of COBOL jobs is so low I would say it is already replaced
user1804599
@Nooble If you want to rewrite all that software for free.
user1804599
22:32
Without bugs.
It's really not
240k a year huh?
Also probably people try, but if something is still written in COBOL then it resisted 30 years of improvements in the field so
And well, COBOL is still maintained
@Nooble usually, they gradually replace it by vacuum
user1804599
Replace COBOL with love.
user1804599
22:34
Love > COBOL.
I should vacuum
user1804599
Me too. I heard I'm good at it.
user1804599
I should also implement constant folding.
Ell
Ell
I need to mow the lawn
Well, I'm a Win8.1 user now
:confutoot:
22:40
going bushwalking/camping again ...
So Puppy what's the job about
flashing my physical prowness (or the lack of)
@CatPlusPlus How are you typing your posts?
Woo I didn't nuke second partition by accident
@MartinJames With my mind
@CatPlusPlus Whoo! The CerebroDriver works, at least.
Ohwait - robot did the cerebroDriver, so by tomorrow, you will have lost your mind:)
22:43
I didn't have one in the first place
How does win 8.1 feel? I'm a gnome 3 user. I love that my hands almost never leaves the keyboard. Even with a 2 monitor setup
i'm using win 8.1
@CaptainGiraffe like a joke
It's interesting, but ultimately slightly more frustrating than Win 7
Though I must say the Start screen is more elegant... yet it replaces the ease with which I could do things with just a regular Start menubar
I'd say it's best used with the Surface line of Windows desktops, with touch-enabled
I did find Win 7 reasonable on many accounts
22:45
@Puppy congrats, pup. And have fun on monday
@Cinch thats bullshit. Instead of displaying folders, the start button now searches the winodws marketplace for adware
I should goto sleep. I'm of to RR tomorrow to look round the museum of old engines and a presentation of newer stuff.
@CaptainGiraffe using win8? I like it. I can be quite effective in windows as a keyboard warrior
@Mikhail Well, on my desktop I removed all of that and now I have nice big buttons to go to my IDE, Downloads, etc. etc.
22:46
in case anyone is interested
@OMGtechy is it worth it?
Isn't it in Java too?
we're not.
I have no idea, but why not eh?
AP is surprisingly good
Now that I think about it
I'm going to take a look at it just for the hell of it
22:47
Their CS must be comparable
The hardest class I ever took with AP was their Chemistry
Or perhaps APUSH
Ell
Ell
Chemistry is the hardest subject imho
@sehe "keyboard warrior" knowing the important shortcuts?
Until you get to quantum physcs
Since I've had no formal training, it might cover something I've missed being self taught (despite doing it for a living, I might have missed something still)
+ programming
22:48
@OMGtechy "Students will have access to practice problems that will help them learn to program without spending hours on finding and fixing syntax errors. " - But that is the best part!
user1804599
@Puppy you're not.
@Nican hahaha, yes!
user1804599
There may very well be people in this room that are.
Who doesn't like fixing tempalte compile time errors?
Okay, again, if I may do shameless question adevertisting
22:48
My favorite are bugs that come from mixing release and debug versions of MSVC
no.
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Q: How to integrate a C++ to Lua binding cleanly?

CinchI'm currently using Sol, a C++11 binding created by Rapptz, hosted here on GitHub. I am also developing a video game in C++ that I have decided to bind with Lua. Thus, for the majority of the game, I will be running scripts that call C++ functions. However, I'm stumped by how to organize my bin...

It seems to be an intelligble question
@Nican NO - the best part, skill-wise, happens when you start debugging.
Basically: how would you cleanly integrate scripting into your program.
i.e. AutoLISp
Autolithp?
22:50
@Mikhail I dread to think what'll happen
AutoLISP is a scripting language created out of LISP specifically for the engineering drafting program called AutoCAD
They're also the creators of Blender or Maya I believe
user1804599
Maya, not Blender.
user1804599
Maya is pretty good.
You see, my father is a land surveyor
you were thinking of 3ds max
22:51
And he does AutoCAD
user1804599
Maya, AutoCAD and 3DS Max are all from Autodesk.
Okay why did people downvote my question?
user1804599
Because it is a bad and overly broad and off-topic question.
While programming it often happens that suddenly random memories get triggered. Sometimes things I haven't remembered in years.
How so?
22:52
@Cinch ask them
I'm simply asking for paradigms to implement
@CaptainGiraffe all shortcuts are important
So, yes
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Like when I realised std::istream knows where to read from, sbi posting facepalming animals in response and that being the origin of the avatar of sehe?
OMG std::istream knows where to read from?
That totally makes sense.
22:55
@StackedCrooked I suggest more domain-related, but less specific variable naming :)
@rightfold Forever grateful
The memories are not triggered by names. It seems like the brain activity during programming activates certain brain areas which sometimes happen to contain long forgotten memories.
I have only exposed myself to the postcard menu. I feel at home in gnome so I guess I'll stay there.
And the memories don't even distract me. I just keep on coding while the memory-movie plays in the background in my mind.
It's actually kinda nice.
Hello everyone .
22:58
Woah I can disable Caps Lock with a GUI????????
user1804599
Caps lock doesn't exist.
The keyboard/mouse driver for Win7 did not have that
user1804599
It's labeled "caps lock" but it's actually control.
anybody generated bulk true random numbers ?
I wonder if it's still processes the key though
If not I'll have to remap it to F13 after all
user1804599
23:00
@TusharGupta /dev/urandom is probably good enough for your purpose. See dd(1).
user1804599
inb4 inferior OS
Hold Right shift for 10 seconds, the type in your terminal $keyb --style catWantsRegularCaps
@CatPlusPlus If you believe.
@TusharGupta I once generated random booleans and they were all true.
4 digits 100,000 or more alphanumeric will it do ?? @rightfold
@Cinch you're simply asking people with ostensibly less context information to tell you what to do. Also, you're simply trying to make question quality sound irrelevant when it convenes you.
@TusharGupta perhaps you can try making sense. You can do so in the time saved by not typing redundant question marks
23:04
@Cinch Look at programs that already do that maybe??
@sehe Do you have a fan club letter I can subscribe to?
Also URGH I was logged in, chatting fine, but I visited snack overflow and then chat decided I'm not logged in after all
@sehe yeah i'm not much into c++ programming .
Good job
Very well coded
@CaptainGiraffe What area of activities are you most interested in?
@TusharGupta whoosh
23:06
@sehe Bombing crap posts in the lounge.
:/
@CatPlusPlus that means that the auth cookies have been replaced. Probably happened around the same time that the main site was updated (ask Mysticial)
No it just does that
Chat sessions don't expire, but main site can expire chat sessions
Right. I have had this. Each and every time it's because of the cookies. But, okay. If you say so
Ok, take care. code carefully
@CatPlusPlus Of course it does that, that's not something I disputed
23:08
im just annoyed by the inconsistency okay
carry on
user3010322
@sehe I have no intentions of supporting the code. I submodule the original code, while keeping a patch of my changes to make it compile active in my codebase. If I even need the fixes they're pushing upstream.
hello annoyed people by inconsistency
@Jefffrey why is your gravatar essentially a shoe?
23:10
@ThePhD That is supporting it. You're duct-taping it. In ten years you'll sing the praise of our rational arguments against this
@TonyTheLion It was because kick/mute wasn't implemented yet, and this provided instant gratification
There's really no point in continuing that
The whole code base where I work is essentially duct-taped together
@TonyTheLion Everybody loves the sideboot
@sehe ah I see.
I swear, those are the facts.
23:12
@sehe lol
I don't believe anybody in the Lounge
alt: He gets kicks out of it
@TonyTheLion you ask that question?
@thecoshman I did, can't you read?
23:13
@sehe ergh, that's soul destroying
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ why the lion
Ell
Ell
does anyone here use ninja? I'm unsure if having a path is causing a syntax error
@thecoshman That's also a fact. I accept it as such
Lol, in reddit's pirate mode the "controversial" tab is renamed to "scurvy".
Ell
Ell
build all: bin/main
why the hell <-- an avatar idea was born
23:14
@thecoshman because I like Lions
All build statements need a rule name before inputs
I find that a scurvy translation
If you want to make an alias use phony rule
also, because it means I can be king, even if its not true
build all: phony bin/main
23:14
@sehe well then, I'll lace up
You'd know that if you'd read the manual~
manuals are from yesteryear
the cool kids try shit until they get so frustrated that they just give up
@CatPlusPlus sssssh. He's a ninja. He's getting the secrets from the manual, without tipping anyone off by overtly accessing it
23 hours ago, by FredOverflow
> In the old days we had to think a lot about how our punch card program worked because we'd only find out if it worked the next day. Nowadays you guys just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Find the middle ground.
@TonyTheLion I was very confused until I saw 'try'
@sehe Good description there
@thecoshman maybe "try" is too strong an expression
Ell
Ell
23:17
@CatPlusPlus I did read the manual, but it worked in my other ninja file
I don't know the right word here
@TonyTheLion no fool, I mean I read it as 'kids shit until they get so frustrated'
Build statements declare a relationship between input and output files. They begin with the build keyword, and have the format build outputs: rulename inputs
@thecoshman lol
The special rule name phony can be used to create aliases for other targets.
23:18
@TonyTheLion you been drinking?
@thecoshman I am drinking
@thecoshman implies here (hint: irony)
@TonyTheLion try harder
@sehe o_0
Wooooo multi-monitor taskbar
Oooh. Imma upgrade to Win8.1.superduperclub right away
23:20
@CatPlusPlus ... yeah... nothing new
Ell
Ell
I wish 3 monitors would work in linux for me
@CatPlusPlus (What is this taskbar thing? Is that that thing that pops up, blinks annoying and generally has been keyboard crippled into irrelevance since Win7?)
@Ell And what would you want them to do for you, in linux?
@TonyTheLion old skool
@TonyTheLion oh god that's just depressing!
Ell
Ell
23:21
@sehe deliver pizzas on my behalf :D
@Ell did you consider kernel message queues?
never mind. you win
Ell
Ell
hahah
Okay guys. 124 on the clock, not waiting for 248
Sleep well
night
I had a nap earlier tonight, so I'm currently not as tired
Ell
Ell
@sehe night
23:29
@TonyTheLion something tells me your still going to have a good lie in :P
oh man, I won't waste a good lie in
if I can delay getting up until 11 am, I shall
I did my grocery shopping tonight, so I have literally no reason to get out of bed tomorrow
yay
of all anime openings I've seen I still rank the 1995 Evangelion OP very highly. 90's emo at its finest.
Ell
Ell
I'm gonna hop in bed
hop hop
the question I haven't answered yet, is how do you do a job for 10 years without ending up absolutely hating it?
Lounge pls answer
By having a good job.
23:35
does that even exist?
I've had 4 jobs and only one of them was bad.
So I left after 5 months.
you're amazing
Not sure if I'm amazing.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
At least with my current job I'm lucky. Because the main reason I accepted this job is because I wanted to flee my (then) current job.
Also I got fired from my second job.
23:38
my current job is good, though software engineering itself can really get under my skin at times
Aww forgot to backup KeePass templates
there's always that one thing you forget to back up
templates?
Darn.
It's a template KeePass.
KeePass<T>.
lel
Cat likes templates
Cat<T>
23:41
If Google were a class template then Google<Google<>> would crash the system.
I like cats
but not lions
23:48
Do you brush your teeth before visiting the dentist?
of course lol
do you clean your asshole before letting someone do funky stuff?
Ell
Ell
@stacked yes and @nightcracker yes
no
usually go there for a cleaning
My mother always told be to brush my teeth before visiting. However, I started thinking that it probably doesn't matter that much.
Unless you just had a really gross dinner.
it's common sense really
would you like to be a programmer if your keyboard stank like breath?
23:55
That's a weird question you know.
And my breath never stinks.
Ell
Ell
@stacked it probably doesn't but im sure they prefer those with nice breath and no hunks of food floating about
Yeah, the bits of food should be removed.
Ell
Ell
Although they do have scent strips in their masks to combat the former
I'm certain the dentist would prefer that.
If you came in like that he'd probably give you a mouth rinse first or something.
Ell
Ell
Yeah
Brushing beforehand just helps to prevent it
I wonder what the right way to do singletons in c++ is

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