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20:00
@CatPlusPlus w/e 70's nerd
I have glasses, I hate wearing them
70's boobs are actually awesome
but I can't read my second screen when I don't
(as a side note)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Intermediate software engineer, Denver CO
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20:00
@Jefffrey that reminds me; I should grow boobs.
@Jefffrey ... how are 70s boobs different?
last I checked the average yearly in my locale for that was 84kUSD
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AAaaaaaaargh so much to do. ;_;
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@AlexM. they are not full HD.
you mean VHS boobs?
20:01
@AlexM. there was the whole "don't wear a bra" movement, so boobs tent to be self sustained and pointy
I should push the working thing a bit harder maybe
maybe
or something like that
I'm earning enough money to live though so
Kinda w/e
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Bras suck.
bras are nice
20:02
@Mgetz Oh, thought you were in the UK, as you were talking about GBP
oh wait, no, it was the style of the bra
never mind then
> Boobs that look like pointy swinging rocket tips from the 70's due to the style of bras that held them in this era.
yeah you guys do alright over there. it's not fair
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no it was just for comparison
20:02
17 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Currency conversion is not sufficient to compare wages
case in point
oh I know, cost of living etc.
right, so, stop doing it ;P
right, pub time BAI
time to submit hours for the week and switch computers
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20:05
THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS
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Oh wait, Amazon. And they ship to NL.
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Yaay!
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> Dieser Artikel ist noch nicht verfügbar.
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Sprache: Deutsch
Bildschirmtexte: Deutsch
@rightfold What's up with that text over text thing?
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20:07
Wut why is that not in English. :v
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@Jefffrey That's the design.
apparently the building in which I'll work starting next month looks like this
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@Xeo are all German video games in German?
way nicer than the current one
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@rightfold Huh?
20:07
@rightfold You mean that they intentionally did that?
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@Jefffrey Of course.
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@Xeo Amazon says "Bildschirmtexte: Deutsch"
That's dum
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Oh. You can usually select the language.
Depends on the game, though
which looks like this
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20:08
Hmm ok.
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I think I'll just wait until it's available in NL.
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And then get it at Game Mania.
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There aren't many MGS players so it'll probably not be sold out instantly.
> Young Couple Doing Nothing
best porn movie title ever
and they actually don't do anything
it's accurate
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Nothing Simulator 2014.
20:13
actually they do get naked
and then they hug and sit like that for the whole movie
who is this porn for
this is worse than furry stuff
closes tab
holy crap I just made a huge life choice without really thinking about it
you got a job
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Om nom nom. Omelette with diced meat loaf and chanterelles.
@Puppy you'll be fine :) I'm happy for you :)
it's a reason to celebrate :D
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20:15
I look like Hitler with my current haircut.
3
the beer is not cold enough yet
damnit
@rightfold that's because you're literally hitler
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Good thing I shaved my moustache today.
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@Puppy Oh yeah, you moving out?
yeah
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cool
20:16
dad was pretty happy when I called him today
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I didn't have a problem at all with accepting a job outside of Berlin and moving there, tbh
I realized in these 3 years that I spent in college so far
I've never once called him just to see how he was doing
I'd always call mum instead
Probably offtopic, but if you're interested in working in the same general vicinity of my stupid ass, we're hiring. blog.chucklefish.org/?p=322
Shinra Technologies is Square Enix's cloud gaming company eurogamer.net/articles/…
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@AlexM. Hah
20:18
I'm not sure naming your own company after a fictional evil mega corporation is a good idea
> Requirements:
– expertise in one or more of the following: Haskell, Erlang, Scala, F#, functional JavaScript
yeah, it's not like you can kill people by running a red light
oh wait...
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@OmnipotentEntity Hm, tool dev... meh
on my contract it says something random like
"Experience in C++, Open gl (sic), Java"
20:20
what's "(sic)" again?
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"literally copied"
"not my mistake in the text"
yeah
sic erat scriptum
@Xeo Generally, we offer either a salary or a percentage of sales.
oh i see
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Wasn't (sic) a song by Slipknot?
20:21
How do people solve Project Euler problems efficiently?
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@OmnipotentEntity Welp, not planning to move anyways
I just put around ~3k into this stupid flat
not leaving anytime soon
How do people get unbanned from asking questions if they suck at answering them?
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@OmnipotentEntity looks fun apart from anything related to video and audio. :D
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Sucks to be them
@Chantola there is no hope for you
I am sorry
once you get banned
that's it
20:23
@AlexM. They promised me hope in the help center...
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And rightfully so.
> – expertise in one or more of the following: Haskell, Erlang, Scala, F#, functional JavaScript
it's ogre
crys
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Once a bad asker, always a bad asker.
@Xeo I didn't think that much of it at the time. I've spent a while looking for work and now I've found it.
20:23
@rightfold not true
Yeah, I know that feeling :( I'm going to move to London to finish up Starbound and help with post 1.0, and the fact that I'm having to leave my apartment is keeeling me, because I like it so much.
> So it’s no secret that a bunch of early access projects have run into trouble lately. From running out of money to ceasing development for political reasons. It’s not the best time to be a part of the early access party and it’s easy to see why people are worried about the health of the Starbound project.
it's just that now I'm suddenly like, oh shit, I just agreed to that.
sounds reassuring
that and my dance machine is impossible to move.
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20:23
@OmnipotentEntity Well, it's not that I particularly like it, but after investing that much..
@Puppy when I decided to drop freelancing I was thinking about not working through the 2nd year of college
but then I wanted to go to the mall and eat something with a bunch of colleagues
@OmnipotentEntity Why do you have to move?
and a job fair was going on, and they were like "we applied to stuff"
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Also, we just talked about a salary raise when our finances are doing better, and leaving now might seem like a bit of a dick move :P
@Puppy you are doing fine, go get them
20:24
then I saw a random company making games with a booth there
and said "meh, why not"
got the number of the guy
everyone was like "yaaay"
when I went home I was like "wtf have I gotten myself into"
once I got the job I was like "do I really want this"
@Rapptz I don't have to really. I could choose not to, I just feel like I do much better work locally than remotely. So it's more of a moral imperative than a legal or fiscal one.
lol
2 mins ago, by Jefffrey
> So it’s no secret that a bunch of early access projects have run into trouble lately. From running out of money to ceasing development for political reasons. It’s not the best time to be a part of the early access party and it’s easy to see why people are worried about the health of the Starbound project.
REPOST
how dare you
Tabletop Simulator is the best Early Access game I've played
20:25
the next month I spent each day wondering how I went from playing games at home to a random office
they actually update almost every week
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I'm the very best.
so yeah, I kinda had the same sensation
@rightfold did you catch em all?
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Yup, look: catch (...).
@OmnipotentEntity Rather than moving, you could improve the way you work remotely that way you won't have issue in the future.
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20:28
Left Behind is such a nice song.
@Rapptz It's not really a matter of personal focus. It's more of a product of ease of communication and the fact that everyone else is in London so the traditional communication channels that we've used since the start of the project (IRC mostly) have essentially gone silent.
working locally can help with things at times
NTFS is so bad at handling Boost
not sure if it's critical
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@AlexM. "at times"?
Lemme tell you a story
20:29
one of my colleagues has this annoying habit of starting a conversation on skype then coming to my desk, making me stop the music, take off my headphones to listen to his question
even though he could have asked it on skype
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When I was at the GA, there were two buildings, seperated by a single street. Programmers in one, designers, producers, artists in the other one
Our project was, from an art and design perspective, slowly crawling along.
In the last month, we decided to just get the artist and designer over to our coder room, and set up shop there.
The productivity was infinitely higher.
I believe you
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and that's just with being seperated by a single street
Which EA projects were terminated for political reasons
I still find DF-9 situation funny
back when I was temporarily moved to Bucharest all I had to do to get the producer's attention was to poke her after turning around
now I have to wait 20+ minutes to get an answer on Skype
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20:31
pooooooooooooke
well a metaphorical poke
@Xeo Your artists/designers suck m8
I had to wait 3 days to get an answer from one of the business guys in France :\
it's like they all simultaneously decided to be lazy
I'm sure I could have poked him if I was near his office
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20:33
@AlexM. No surprise; France.
well I do agree he might have been busy, he's one of the top dogs in his area after all
what I'm saying is that it's easier to get an answer immediately via face to face communication
it's easier to say "brb" via the webz
even if you're not necessarily lazy or wasting time
> So if I understand this correctly, it sounds like I'll be able to run a local Evernote client, that can be used offline and then sync, on Linux very soon.

Hot damn! Where'd I put that "erase the Windows partition on my netbook" button?
someone is using Windows for evernote
I used evernote, once upon a time
lol mrs dubcek
I never used premake before, but people working on other libs started using it so I must follow suit
guess I should take a look at how it actually works
It doesn't
Don't use it, it's shit
20:43
well what's the alternative?
That's a dumb question
I might be able to suggest it, though I'll have to bring some arguments
A build system that's not cobbled together with duct tape
I can't tell the company to not use premake because it's shit :(
I control at most the direction in which the code in my library goes, that's about it
when it comes to putting things together, if I don't do it like everyone does it, people start screaming
@CatPlusPlus I have yet to encounter one.
20:46
Ninja is the best available build engine
that's not a system.
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> • Adds 4K ShadowPlay recording for GeForce GTX 900 series GPUs
gee
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SBT works pretty well for me.
maybe this premake thing will make the arcane tool that we currently use to generate android projects
there's this in-house tool that takes a sln file and build some other files for gcc to compile
I have no idea how it really works
and I've still to remember which of the many slns is the right one
add "go away" to the end of the first message in this block
for some reason I forgot to add it
Why don't people love me
20:56
@Chantola I love you
^ he loves you
@Mikhail Yay!!!
@Mikhail nevermind
@Mikhail you can't love me
@Mikhail your user profile on stack overflow has a ink to YAHOO.
@Chantola Is it because I'm a chat bot?
@Mikhail no
Is this a dressed-up homework assignment to do a poor-man's plagiarism detector? — sehe 19 secs ago
21:02
@Ra
@Rapptz hey are you there?
@Cinch up arrow edits. I take it you had trouble finding the newbie hints: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/18744033#18744033
> Hello All, I have been handled a task to which I am very new.
well yeah
I guess it is
@sehe it appears you are a mod, am i correct?
Nobody is a mod. Exzcept, of course, the elected mods
okay besides the point...
Hello, everyone.
I'm currently working on integrating Lua into my project across the board
What is a clean way to handle the binding of your C++ functions to a scripting language?
Say, a global header, or individual binding per module?
And when should I expose functions so as to make it, well, good coding practice?
21:05
yay beer got cold enough
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Evening all
@AlexM. Cold enough...to what? No longer taste like beer, so it might be worth drinking?
cold enough to drink, I think beer is actually good :A
Oh god no one can answer my question...
@Cinch I did something like this with QtScript , it worked well.. Never did Lua
21:07
what's a good alternative for std::istrstream?
@Cinch He's a room owner. Italics means a room owner. Mods have a diamond.
@Cinch he is not
@Cinch what Jerry said
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@JerryCoffin And mods are smurfs.
i.e. a binary stream for things already in memory
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@Rapptz std::istringstream
21:08
I don't like being scolded with a paragraph
@rightfold Makes a copy.
@Mikhail Okay, how did you organize it?
@Xeo ...except Boltclock's a Unicorn.
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@Rapptz Does basic_array_source from Boost make a copy too?
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A unicorn smurf.
I don't know
Never used it
21:09
Fuck... SO cleared my inbox and rep notifications.
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Try it!
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@Mysticial hahahaha :D
@Xeo Whereas waves all the same height would be a uniform surf.
@Mysticial Me too.
@Mysticial damnit
no more code golf questions for me then
21:10
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Wait, what did they do with the rep notifcation!
saves pic
I still have a tab opened to a page before refresh.
I'll photoshop it in my own screens
@Cinch Good coding practice would be: don't use scripting languages.
21:11
@JerryCoffin How is that good? Many programmers use scripting for rapid prototyping
ello ello
I worked so fucking hard to get up there. And now they just take it away?
@OMGtechy I KNOW YOU
Start by not saying 'scripting language' tia
@Cinch WHAAA?
21:12
@OMGtechy LUA LUA LUA HOO
Ring a bell?
4
A: How can I get the same strstream functionality now that's deprecated?

Peter AlexanderThe standard library doesn't provide that functionality. However, Boost does with its generic streams and array sources/sinks. Boost Generic Stream Boost Array Devices char buff[size]; boost::stream<boost::array_sink> out(buff, size); out << "Hello, world!"; (Code untested)

hmm
@Cinch Fiverr?
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AAAGH DEPRECATION ;~;
Otherwise I have no idea.
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Fuck APIs fuck breaking changes fuck the world.
21:13
@JerryCoffin Okay anyways, why not use it?
premake can't output vs 2012 and above project files
@Rapptz I hope it's just temporary.
why do they want me to use this again
@Cinch now I want to know, where do you know me from?
@Cinch Because I told you not to.
@Cinch Good programmers (by definition) don't. If they use such things, they're not good (but might be chaotic neutral, which can be pretty fun too).
21:19
uh I wonder if just plugging in a new gpu would make windows 8 go crazy
technically it shouldn't, I've been using the integrated video so far, so there should be no driver conflicts
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I don't get it.
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Why didn't C programmers just return a struct for a string?
I mean it should have something to handle that, since on some setups you can switch between integrated video and dedicated video
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struct blah { char* p; int sz; };
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That's returnable.
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21:20
Was the concern speed?
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Two pointers really that harsh?
@ThePhD Because if they dealt with abstractions well, they would have moved on from C to something else decades ago?
Can someone please answer or discuss this question? I am simply looking for convention/organization advice in order to facilitate future development or modification to the code: stackoverflow.com/questions/25942536/…
@OMGtechy I bothered you about two nights ago trying to get a Lua binding to work. I annoyed the hell out of everyone... especialy Bartek
template<size_t N> struct string_literal { const char data[N]; };
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A: initializing a C++ std::istringstream from an in memory buffer?

Charles BaileyIt's actually pretty trivial to write a one-shot std::streambuf that uses the buffer in place as the default behaviour of all the virtual functions of std::streambuf does 'the right thing'. You can just setg the read area in construction and underflow and uflow can safely be left to return traits...

btw hey @Rapptz , can I add additional tutorials on how to use Sol? I've done a few test cases to help noobs like me in the future
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21:26
I'm learning Sphinx to write da docs, but a perspective from you is helpful.
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PUT IT IN AN ISSUE ON GITHUBZ.
@Cinch ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
after all this fuckery with streams
I hate them a little more now
"Dick Digs"
@Rapptz still better than printf()
21:28
@Cinch what's your avatar
I'm trying to understand what it depicts
@AlexM. It was just a stupid logo I made for a game-related website before
is it random or does it represent something
It's another stupid blog but it's sort of my personal space
It's supposed to be a knife cutting through the air with pizzazz
and also with a little wave-like quality
now that you mentioned it
if I look hard enough, it does seem to be a knife cutting through things
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Okay, is using malloc in a library not cool or something?
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21:31
Because people keep doing this MAX_PATH_LEN + 2 array bullshit
C has no clear way to express ownership outside of documentation and it's error prone
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Fucking C.
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AND OF COURSE
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MICROSOFT CHOSE UTF16
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AND DIDN'T UPDATE THEIR ANSI FUNCTIONS TO TAKE UTF8
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21:33
WHY THE FUCK NOT
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Codepages were the absolutely worst idea in history. ._.
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@ThePhD Didn't they choose UCS-2?
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They chose UCS-2, and then rather than break compatibility for a third time,
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they hacked in that shitty UTF-16 bullshit to deal with old systems that shipped with the software that way already.
Introducing Unicode didn't break any compatibilty
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21:35
Most Windows Machines since Windows 2K (and some older ones) were already back-patched with UTF16.
ANSI functions exist for compatibility
You're bad at keeping APIs stable, you could learn a thing or two from WinAPI :v
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OF COURSE WHEN I HAVE A UNICODE-AWARE C LIBRARY THAT DECIDES IT'S GOING TO LOOK UP FILES BASED ON ANSI
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ONE HAS TO WONDER WHY THEY DON'T CONVERT TO THE WIDE STRING VERSION FIRST.
Uh, they do
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No, they don't.
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21:36
That's what I'm patching.
ANSI API is a compat layer, the internals are all Unicode
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That's fantastic. FcChar8 is meant to be a UTF8 string (or is it? Fuck if you can tell from the C API) and it's passing it's stuff directly to GetFullPathName (and not qualifying it with GetFullPathName A, that breaks when you throw the Unicode Character Set switch on VC++).
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Maybe I should just use the A version and pretend it's not UTF8.
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Hide the problem under the bed with "Well nobody's going to pass me a UTF8 string for a font anyways."
FcChar8 has p much the same purpose as int8_t
Well looks that way anyway
This backup thing is taking me way too long
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21:42
is ansi ascii in this context?
No
Not in any context
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what is ANSI in this context?
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ANSI is codepage bullshit.
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Yaaaaay.
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Great! def lexeme[T](p: Parser[T]) = p <~ """\s*""".r
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21:46
And of course, C developers
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Nobody through it would be great to write a function that did sizeof(arr) / sizeof(arr[0])
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So they just have a lot of code that assumes arr is a 1-byte type and just WELL SIZEOF IS GOOD ENOUGH
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NEVERMIND DOING THINGS PROPERLY SHIP IT
"There's no business like Dick Business"
@Puppy you sure know alot about that kind of buisness.
21:49
protip: try spleing gammra first
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size_t len = strlen (str);
char *end = str + len;
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Every single function
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every single goddamn one
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What were they thinking?
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WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE THE SIZE AS A PARAMETER IDIOT
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21:54
def tupleLiteral: Parser[ast.TupleLiteral] =
  leftBrace ~> (repsep(expr, comma) ^^ { ast.TupleLiteral(_: _*) }) <~ rightBrace
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I'm so happy. This fucking works.
@ThePhD Uh
Because it's dumb?
I lost my 141 inbox notifications... :( — Mysticial 46 secs ago
Ugh is this stupid starring day again
Cat Plus Plus?
Lol.
21:58
For fuck's sake if you're told to not star every second thing you don't star every second thing
huh.
Wut?
I just realized something, but then I looked at the Lounge to say what it was, and I forgot it.

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