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18:01
Dear @Apple. Can you install a "Put this music on my phone" button. Fer chrissakes. Apparently this is beyond the ability of iTunes.
hehe
would be lame if tweeted by someone else
@BartekBanachewicz that's dead last I checked
@Mgetz what do you mean dead
Hello, Cruel World!
@BartekBanachewicz unrealengine.com/html5
replaced with tappy chicken
18:06
Someone please help me. I'm trying to understand what a domain and a problem domain is. Is the following correct? Imagine I had to develop an application for a bank. then 1. the domain is everything the bank does (their business) 2. the problem domain is the data that is relevant to the problem my application is supposed to solve.
@user1534664 domain has like a million of defitions depending on the context
problem domains also?
is that a university assignment?
nope I'm just trying to understand it because I feel like I'm lacking knowledge now that I'm learning about erd's/conceptual models
I vaguely remember ERD as being absurdly retarded
18:10
lol
is that that totally unreallistic software design/planning thing
dunno is it?
oh yes it is
my uni forces me to learn it
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
is that a university assignment?
18:11
and I feel like they're only teaching me a trick
#shitYouOnlyLearnAtUniAndNeveUse
pretty much nobody uses those things except terrible corporations with awful code culture
yeah, uni is forcing me to learn erd's but not about domains etc
and code monkeys
so u recommend me to switch uni's then =p
Pretty much all unis are terrible
18:12
agreed
that's my opinion but you don't have to listen to it because it might be biased
nah dude I started my uni 3 weeks ago and I'm put into a course with others that don't even understand what its like to study
they're used to spoonfeeding etc
but they won't allow students to do the course quicker
so I feel like I'm being hold back by the system atm
yh
do you have any advice for my problem though? I get the feeling it's like mandatory to know what domains are about since I've heard the term go by many times
@user1534664 I'd wiki that.
tends to be non-wanking WRT software development
18:17
I have lol, it's explained very formally
can't really make much sense out of it
Domain-driven design (DDD) is an approach to software development for complex needs by connecting the implementation to an evolving model. The premise of domain-driven design is the following: Placing the project's primary focus on the core domain and domain logic. Basing complex designs on a model of the domain. Initiating a creative collaboration between technical and domain experts to iteratively refine a conceptual model that addresses particular domain problems. The term was coined by Eric Evans in his book of the same title. == Core definitions == Domain: A sphere of knowledge (ontology)...
@ the core definition paragraph
Look at all that elitism in here.
patterns
That's a whole lot of words that are nothing new or new-buzzword-worthy
I should write a book too
and get a dictionary involved so it looks snobby
=p
18:25
@EtiennedeMartel where?
@BartekBanachewicz This very room, right now.
@EtiennedeMartel why?
"Look at us, we're so much better than all these noobs".
Also sorry I was a dick towards nintendo.
So I came back from playing squash and Bartek is still having meltdown bcoz of his uni.
18:26
@EtiennedeMartel Who is acting as such?
Dude, we get it, you don't like it there.
@Xarn nah not really I actually enjoyed doing the presentation for tomorrow
@BartekBanachewicz That guy, and you're kinda leaning towards his position.
I forgot I might use my real product for that
18:26
(the thing I bought an STM for)
@EtiennedeMartel I think I am smarter than most of the people not only on my uni but in general, yes. Is this a problem for you?
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@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, kinda makes you a condescending prick.
That makes me want to seek people smarter than me to actually learn from them, like you.
Guys, how long should it take me to do a Project Euler Problem? Should I use formulas for stuff on the internet? What are the Do's and Do Not's?
how are we to promote knowledge and intelligence if we're forbidden to talk about it?
How are we to see the problems of education systems binning people if we don't openly acknowledge they aren't on the exact same skill level?
Funny thing
18:30
@Chantola which problem? Some take minutes, some take weeks.
The problem is you seem to see "intelligence" as a linear thing.
Like you can sort people according to that.
@Bartek well the first problem took me 2 hours, and the 2nd took me 4 hours.
I guess I'll try somewhere else to ask about domains? =p
@EtiennedeMartel There's always a domain of such sorting if you want to do that.
a "comparator", if you like
The really smart people usually don't whine about how they are smarter than other people.
18:31
@BartekBanachewicz :)
Oh hey, I got flagged.
huh, looks like someone waited until I was back from mobile chat to start their flagging again, in order to make it look like I did it :(
@EtiennedeMartel I got flagged too
What the fuck.
@BartekBanachewicz That one is fucking stupid
Etienne's I can understand
18:32
prolly @Abyx fucking around :)
he's really an Abyxmal person
@BartekBanachewicz well the first problem took me 2 hours, and the 2nd took me 4 hours.
On Project Euler
You might want to repeat your high school math classes then.
18:33
I Xarn
I'm in middle school
oh well then
don't get discouraged
I was hand coding and guess and testing the formulas
Then it is probably an ok time.
Keep going :-D
but how can I speed it up>
@Chantola What counts is that you're moving forward. Do it at your own pace.
18:34
Well, what was the part that took most of the time?
@Chantola It takes experience at solving problems, mostly. Give it some time.
@BartekBanachewicz well thank you, I am moving at my own pace and trying my best, but i feel like I'm not doing it in the most efficient manner.
PE is really not about raw efficiency
@BartekBanachewicz what?
Also I have to go get groceries because it's closing in 30 minutes damn damn damn
@Abyx nothing saw you lurking
18:35
dunno what happened but fuck you anyways
BBL love you
ah, ok
who the fuck flagged two regulars
are you like retarded or something
If Bartek had to be banned every time he is in an argument, he wouldn't be able to stay in this room 31 minutes straight.
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@BartekBanachewicz lol
@EtiennedeMartel That is true!
Oh look, it's "help noobs" vs "fuck noobs" again. Can't wait to hear all the news.
18:41
I wonder how many common garden insects starve to death each day?
I've been here only for a couple of years and I'm already tired of this argument. Can't we just accept that there are two different sides that welcome newbs in two different ways?
fuck you all
Why the hell does Bartek's message have eight flags, while Etienne calling him "a condescending prick" out of nothing gets let by?
Probably because bartek have less friends than etienne does.
18:44
Probably because Etienne's reaction sounds reasonable.
@Jefffrey that long?
I feel as though my Euler problem skills are not being done in an efficient manner. How do people go about doing the Euler problems, cause I think I'm doing something wrong because it's taking me so long.
Yes, I'm that compromised.
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I agree. You are fucking smart.
18:47
A business model describes a business domain, right?
user1804599
A business model models a business.
ah
then what's a business domain?
nobody knows
user1804599
To be more exact, a business model describes the rationale of how an organization creates, delivers, and captures value, in economic, social, cultural or other contexts.
not even those who coined the term
18:48
for real?
yeah, don't listen to john rightfold
he knows nothing
user1804599
I know very much.
bet ur taking the piss :P
user1804599
And who is john?
are you also incredibly smart though?
@rightfold who snows?
user1804599
18:50
snowden
Is this legit?
@Jefffrey Why would it not be?
because it doesn't automatically log me in
user1804599
also because the domain is google.co, not google
18:57
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have wondered too
Interesting to think co.in and google.co.in are different.
user1804599
I hope all wasps starve to death within ten minutes.
user1804599
And all their nests burn down.
@Jefffrey When in doubt, look at the certificate
@rightfold You got stung or is there a wasp swimming in your beer?
user1804599
19:04
I never got stung by a wasp for as far as I know, and I don't drink beer.
user1804599
Fuck wasps regardless.
user1804599
They sometimes enter my territory those motherfuckers.
user1804599
Same with mosquitos and fucking cockroaches.
@rightfold OK, I'm happy with that.
user1804599
A girl in high school pronounced and spelled "cockroaches" as "kekworstjes."
19:05
@CatPlusPlus I usually check, with some whois provider, who registered the domain. It probably doesn't make any sense, though.
Check the certificate itself
user1804599
lol
19:27
hey noobs
How'd the interview go
they offered me 20k
Tip-top and Bristol-fashion?
what's that?
@Puppy A month?
19:29
no, annually
In London?
(someone translate please? doofus opted out of my genius)
That won't keep Daisy in food, (yes, b4 you ask:).
Puppy had interview today
yes I got that
translate for him!
He had interview in Bristol
so I'd imagine it would be a job around there.
19:31
right in the middle
go for it
already did
λ git add -p ..\src\decoder.cpp
Directory not found: . No such file or directory at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Git.pm line 179.
neat
@Puppy OK, piss-taking mode off.
19:34
Starting at 20k in Bristol is okay
In London it would have been madness
Yea in London you'd be very hard-pressed on 20k
Now comes all the pain of Puppy telling us about his home-hunting antics
"It's 3AM why are you still in the office"
I'm happy that the Puppy got a job. From here you can move up.
puppy got the job?
yay
Xeo
Xeo
19:40
20k eh
doesn't sound too bad
I got a beer to celebrate
oh beer, I'm going shopping later, might actually get some
because why not
user1804599
woot puppy job
I admit it was pretty hilarious
20k of what
euros?
19:41
GBP probably
Seeing as this is UK
@BartekBanachewicz You have been banned?
@Jefffrey yep
user1804599
20k virgins.
nice
way more than the number needed to make someone blow themselves up
user1804599
YOU RACIST
19:42
yeah, against terrorists
@Xeo You wouldn't want any less than that
is 20k ok for the UK?
25'412.11 Euro
@AlexM. It's a normal low, entry-point salary for newbies.
@AlexM. it's on the lower end I suppose
19:43
for those of you who were wondering
user1804599
20k per month.
As I say, you wouldn't accept any less than that unless you were a total tool, but you also wouldn't expect much more for your first job.
@Jefffrey I did wonder, so yea thanks
Ideally he'll be up to £30k within 4 years
which is still shitload more than I earn because developing cuntry
19:43
entry level in Romania is $7k per year
user1804599
Speaking of 20k, I almost have 20k and at 21k you have to pay extra tax over your capital.
@TonyTheLion np m8
user1804599
I have to invest. :c
well $7k is still a lot of goats
19:44
a lot of families manage with less than 7k
Okay but your cost of living is like 1/5 of here
I know
Currency conversion is not sufficient to compare wages
@LightnessRacesinOrbit racist
19:44
Cost of living is quite high in the UK
Yeah
and in London its madness
@Jefffrey Lightness Racisms in Orbit
Take your racism out of orbit please :P
user1804599
"Poor people" is a race.
19:45
Shut up whitey
I promised somewhere before that I'd get a beer to celebrate puppy getting a job but I can't find the message anymore, to pair it with the one above
oh well
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Out of orbit and onto Earth?
Going by currency conversion I earn like about 6k GBP
If I was to just convert between currencies, when I lived in england, rent there cost us more than you make with above average salary here.
@rightfold Into space
19:46
I'm guessing the cost of living in the US is even higher
user1804599
I can't get pregnant.
So yeah...
@CatPlusPlus wut
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Earth is in space.
@CatPlusPlus wat
19:46
@rightfold Outer space
@rightfold I'm so sorry.
user1804599
I earn about £12k.
@AlexM. No evidence of that in transcript
@rightfold lolwut
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know wtf
I've searched too
like, all 3 pages of me talking about beer
I don't know where it went O_o
@AlexM. Maybe it got flagged
19:47
Erm, you never posted it.
user1804599
The nice thing is that I have near zero fixed costs.
user1804599
Only my VPS and my domain names.
About 3000PLN/mo currently. The conversion to GBP isn't very favourable :v
I should so feel rich right now... my base salary is 42909.25gbp
aaaand yet I don't
(I'm lazy, I should work more and get more money)
19:48
by direct conversion I get a bit above $14k
search for puppy failed too
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus That was about the wage when I started working here!
I have very variable hourage
Xeo
Xeo
I want a raise, but we're too tight on money right now :(
what do you mean by "very variable" exactly?
19:50
as in, he sleeps more than he works
well he is a cat
what would you expect
91h in August, 121h in July, 71h in June
@Xarn stop being so racist
user1804599
I attempt to diet.
user1804599
19:51
My belly is getting too fat.
@rightfold cut out the crisps
user1804599
Yeah, and the coke.
user1804599
And cookies.
@CatPlusPlus wow... on average I'm at 145h per month
user1804599
My legs are too muscled as well. :<
user1804599
19:52
It's suck.
I have never heard any man complain about that
user1804599
That's because you only talk to men.
not even a woman?
user1804599
@Jefffrey Pretty nice, actually.
@CatPlusPlus I thought you'd be earning more by now
@CatPlusPlus oh
19:53
@Mgetz Hey not bad
I'm on about £45k but everything above £39k is extras, bonuses, funny agreements etc
seems rare to see developers on much more than that
> funny agreements
lol
I also feel poor btw
my costs are hiiiiigh
developer raises will drop in few years
i've read that somewhere
from a "reliable" source
19:55
Yeah no
Since I got my budgeting app and I've been budgeting, I have been able to save more
user1804599
@Jefffrey kill all IT students!
user1804599
/me kills Braket
@Jefffrey A fortune teller?
don't kill brakets
@CatPlusPlus yeah
19:55
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm still about 14kUSD under market
@CatPlusPlus it was the kind with degrees in economics
user1804599
Some fortune teller called us at work because he wanted a website and he asked a few questions and then he asked if we could accomplish that. We joked afterwards that if he were a fortune teller then why would he ask us?
that make money by telling the fortune of the economy
Yeah still no
it made some sense actually
job request will raise, the number of programmers will raise faster, raises will decrease
user1804599
19:57
More bad programmers!
You're using funny words
the entry barrier for programmers is lowering exponentially
Good developers are and still will be few and far between anyway
That depends... if you are really good, the wage ain't getting lower.
@CatPlusPlus this
19:58
If you are PHP monkey, well, tough shit.
There's no entry barrier
there might be a lot of programmers, but a lot are not very good
There hasn't been an entry barrier for years
no offence to them
just few years ago you had to have a beard and be socially awkward and know every architecture and everything to save space and increase performance
user1804599
19:58
offence to them; they suck
now you just need some fancy glasses, a macbook pro with a ruby sticker on it
If by few years you mean 15
@Mgetz What the hell do you do?!
@CatPlusPlus 25
wait
user1804599
19:59
@Jefffrey I have all of those except the Ruby sticker!
user1804599
Oh wait, I don't have fancy glasses either.
What you're describing is 1970s hth
user1804599
Still have to get those.

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