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user3010322
14:00
Also, we deprecated aliases are terrible.
user1804599
Sudden undocumented breaking changes are terrible.
I think I need overloaded classes
user1804599
What would you overload classes on?
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@BartekBanachewicz wut
god, I hate Chrome breaking the current selection if you somehow click to drag between selected letters
it's just so bad
user3010322
14:02
@rightfold Buuuut the API isn't even that popular!
it's a bad UX decision
user3010322
Well, it is. Sort of. I gueeesssss.
not even a middle schooler would take this shit decision
user3010322
But I don't want deprecated cruft.
user3010322
;~;
user3010322
14:03
I hate deprecated stuff.
Then don't write anything.
user3010322
The API isn't even a year old and we have deprecation?!
user1804599
Then always do it right the first time.
user3010322
Blaarghaa.
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Whoah wtf
14:03
my coworker says there's too much fluff in the code
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Role-playing Games style changed
user3010322
Lol.
user3010322
Too much fluff.
@ThePhD But yes, breaking changes are a lot better.
@Xeo I can't tell.
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It used to be a parchment-like colour
Now it's... white?
Maybe the background is just dead for me
14:04
Your browser is broken.
Not really
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Oh
wait
user3010322
Maybe I should mark it deprecated.
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nvm
user3010322
And then tomorrow, push another change that removes it. >.>
14:05
Doubt Rapptz will accept any of them.
user3010322
Probably not.
user3010322
Rrrgh.
user3010322
Why didn't I fight back harder when he said call it userdata aagh. ;~;
user3010322
And why didn't I remove the name from the thing blurrrgh.
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BLUUUURGH.
14:06
Don't break API past 1.0
user3010322
He marked it 1.0 already. ._.
user3010322
We're dooooooooooomed./
user3010322
Oh well.
user3010322
Back to fontconfig. ._.
Deprecate it.
If you don't then I'll do it.
user3010322
14:07
I have the api fixes in a separate branch right now
user3010322
but I'll mark them deprecated, yeah yeah...
How about the badness of keeping the name inside the usertype instead of passing it to where you actually assign it to something?
user3010322
Oh.
user3010322
Shit that's a breaking change that's non-deprecatable.
user3010322
Fuck.
14:09
You can deprecate the constructor that takes a name, and the assigner that doesn't take a name.
Because IIRC there is a constructor that takes no name and an assigner that takes a name.
Or maybe not. W/e.
user3010322
But fi I remove the backing data...
user3010322
what do?
You don't remove it.
Just make the function that returns the name deprecated as well.
And document (oh wait haha) it as UB or as returning empty string or w/e if the name-taking ctor isn't used.
@R.MartinhoFernandes: 42.
welp, stupidity is getting pretty expensive
forgot my keys inside the flat, closed doors -> about an hour lost and ~47 bucks out of the window
14:19
47? That's fucking cheap.
Friend of mine paid 200.
Unlocked and I am not living in US, so adjusted it would be lot more
Also the "work" is literally walking up to the doors, picking right tool, applying small amount of force. 15 seconds total and I am not even exaggerating.
@Xarn I live in Berlin.
@R.MartinhoFernandes me too, and I just discovered German and Berlinerisch are two different languages
@Xarn Yep, but you have literally no choice. So here they'll charge you an arm and a lower leg.
But yeah, for the equivalent of 200 I could get open two locked flats with secure doors.
Anyway, that hour currently hurts me a lot more than the cash, gotta go.
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14:24
@MarcoA. Hey now, it's not as bad as other dialects by a long shot!
@R.MartinhoFernandes IIRC that is still more expensive than Prague.
@Xeo sure, but I'm not German and I was kinda disappointed by learning that :/
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@Xarn why don't you just put a door handle on your door :3
so
thoughts on NVidia Maxwell?
And the most painful part: Finding a neighbour who was at home. You would think it wouldn't be THAT hard. :-D
user1607528
14:28
have you also mixed up << and >> for cin and cout when you were beginner in c++
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> We just released Spoiler Alert on Amazon for Android. Since you took the time to complete our tinyQuest at Gamescom, we are giving you a free copy!
hehe
@Muhammet No, I simply used printf and scanf ;)
@Muhammet Can't say I have.
user1607528
@FredOverflow :D not there yet
14:30
Never go there.
printf and scanf are even worse than I/O streams.
user1607528
it could make more sense if << and >> were vice-versa
@Muhammet Why? Stuff goes into cout and comes out of cin.
user1607528
@FredOverflow i wanted to read it as cout >> age cout this age variable :D. I know that variable is inserted to cout but still
Got wood shavings all over a big spider's web, and now the little genius is painstakingly collecting them with his legs and dropping them on to the grass, one tiny ball of shavings at a time. Spider spring cleaning.
I suppose one could also suggest that he's doing the washing up.
14:38
The syntax for "verb this noun" would be verb(noun), not verb >> noun.
cout.operator<<(age);   // better?
More like operator<<(cout, age).
Not if age is an int.
Who stores ages as ints?
user1607528
@FredOverflow i like cout << age better :D
14:39
Store them as durations.
@PolymorphicPotato Well, embryos can be -9 months old, for example :)
user1607528
@FredOverflow lol
@FredOverflow No, not really
int conveys no meaning other than "this can be interpreted as a numeric value."
@FredOverflow that's the humans being -9 months old
14:40
@FredOverflow A baby could be -9 months old, maybe
the embryo is 0 months old if you put it like that
Embryos don't even exist (naturally) for any period of 9 months
Well, on your first birthday, you are already 21 months old, aren't you? :)
user1607528
@FredOverflow what is the difference if age is string or int, please explain
@Muhammet You spelt Muhammad wrong
14:41
@Muhammet For strings, you would probably have to call operator<<(cout, s)
@PolymorphicPotato Or noun << verb
@FredOverflow No, on your first birthday, you are 12 months old.
@FredOverflow If you take "you" to mean "you in human form"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So I didn't exist at all before birth? Then whose feet did my mother feel her punch in the stomach from inside?
user1607528
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no its right, in some countries its Muhammet, Mohammed, Muhammad etc
@FredOverflow Not as a human being, no
@LightnessRacesinOrbit unless you are born on the Feb 29th
14:42
@Muhammet The main difference is that if you store ages as strings, you're a goddamn moron, whereas if you store them as integers, you're just a moron.
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@Muhammet It's called trolling :)
Meh unsigned
int != integer // coz java says so ... with integer being a whole lot more sophisticated than int - being an object, not a primary type n all that ...
user1607528
@PolymorphicPotato no i know, what i meant was @FredOverflow said for operator<<(cout, age). "Not if age is an int.".
14:44
@CatPlusPlus Storing them as unsigned integers is even worse.
@Muhammet What I meant was that the suggestion "More like operator<<(cout, age)" won't work for ints.
user1607528
@FredOverflow yeah got it.
I have no clue why I love sending and receiving emails so much
You're a fan of shitty barely-holding-together technology?
I have to ask and answer to multiple persons, and get the information I need myself in a pretty chaotic environment where two people seldom know the same thing
and I really like it
I think I spent 60% of the time this week sending and receiving mails
and only 40% coding
user3010322
14:50
I wonderhow you deprecate an entire class in C++...
V productive
user3010322
Let's try shit on coliru!
@ThePhD With documentation
@CatPlusPlus technically it is, because without the info I could not have known what to code
user3010322
No I mean, with thsoe fancy
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14:50
@ThePhD The hard way - just remove it!
user3010322
Uh
C++11 has [[deprecated]], doesn't it?
user3010322
__declspec(deprecated)
user3010322
and shit
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[[decapitated]]?
14:50
@FredOverflow Yes.
@FredOverflow No.
@ThePhD SOL_DEPRECATED
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I write whatever identifier I want inside the double angle brackets?
user3010322
@PolymorphicPotato Yeah, but I have no idea where to apply that on a using statement.
user3010322
Like, I want to say "this alias is bad: use usertype"
14:51
@FredOverflow Yes, as long as it is valid syntax.
Rename the class and then deprecate the using.
@ThePhD a comment on top of the class? :D
I wonder how @Puppy's interview went?
@Muhammet uh what
14:51
I should scrub my OS
And maybe upgrade to 8.1
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@TonyTheLion So astonishingly good, he won't ever talk to us plebs again
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@CatPlusPlus 8.1 is nice
@TonyTheLion it's 15:52 in his area right now, if I am not mistaken
Lingering old crap annoys me
14:52
probably not done yet
@AlexM. Yes
@AlexM. jee, that would be a long interview
@CatPlusPlus You don't ever use the keyboard, then?
14:52
@MartinJames Eh?
@TonyTheLion well he did say it would take 7 hours
@AlexM. wtf
which sounds like a normal workday test thingy
that's a long interview
user3010322
14:53
Any idea where that syntax would go?
my last interview took altogether one hour
and I got the job
^ gonna watch that now
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Q: Any solution appeared to fix win 8.1 drivers disaster? (keyboard stopped to work)

KosmosWin 8.1 never stops to impress me. This is already third time such disaster happened to me. Before that I was using system refresh to "reinstall" windows, but I tired :/ Ok, the problem... my ps/2 keyboard stopped to work again, but this time with audio device. In previous time it was keyboard o...

my interview here also took a whole day because it contained a practical and theoretical test
@MartinJames Haven't seen that
14:54
@CatPlusPlus We had a good lol about it yesterday:)
at the previous workplace the interview took 10 mins and I was only asked what games I like to play and how fast I code :D
mine had a theory test, one of the questions being, what's the difference between PeekMessage and SendMessage in the WinAPI
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@MartinJames Works For Me™
I mean the issue, not the question
yes cause legacy code
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14:54
@TonyTheLion wut
aren't those, like, total opposites?
Your moms.
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@BartekBanachewicz old
that's from, like, last week dude
@BartekBanachewicz almost as old as Doom
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Or did you mean between PeekMessage and PollMessage or whatever the other one is?
almost
14:54
@Xeo Better out than in:)
@Xeo yea maybe I got the wrong names
@Xeo GetMessage() - the blocking one.
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@MartinJames right
@BartekBanachewicz ok I laughed IRL
thanks
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Well, one is blocking, the other not. As in, one just looks at the message at the front of the queue, the other tries to pop it, IIRC.
14:56
You know this test was over a year ago
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@TonyTheLion That's how it's usually with event polling systems, no?
@Xeo I was referring to the WinAPI
One works in compilers that happen to have a buffer for identifiers limited to ten characters; the other doesn't.
or MFC or whatever the fuck
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@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
14:57
@Xeo Presumably you mean GetMessage?
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Falls under "whatever the other one is"
Shit, still haven't given the details to get back the money I'm owed.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol there would not me many WinAPI calls useable with a such a limit, (nor most of my code:).
14:59
@TonyTheLion Guilty (but this is less a result of pedanticism than just from having written way too many programs using the raw Windows API).
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh you
EnumCalendarInfoExEx
@JerryCoffin Right

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