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00:03
@Puppy Yeah, I'd say fairly average-ish. Allowed slavery in the their colonies (and inside GB, for that matter) but treatment of actual colonists was above average. For one obvious comparison, Spain never officially allowed slavery, but generally treated their colonists a lot worse anyway.
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00:16
MY INTERNSHIP IS DONE
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I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Also I got a return offer for next Summer. That's 3/3 return offers on internships.
@jalf do you know Zendo? Fun little game.
It's now taken Cockroach Poker's spot as my always-in-my-backpack game.
00:21
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey! :)
@ThePhD Werent you doing IT stuff at MS this summer?
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@Borgleader I guess so? But moreso datacenter stuff and writing the software to deploy those datacenters and all that fun stuff.
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At least I didn't have to go all the way to just doing tech support. ._.
ah i see
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But I did go! And now I'm on the hunt.
when do you finish school?
a year?
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00:24
2 more, if all goes well.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not nice =/
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3 more, if I get chopped in the legs by my school admins.
@Borgleader It's true.
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@Borgleader The truth stings like a thousand angry bees.
Jeff does feel like a feature.
00:26
Hi angry bees!
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We need an angry bee in the lounge!
We have a wasp
but he's a funny wasp
bees are cute
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Anything's cute with you, Alex. <3
Have you been stalking Jeff Atwood? Didn't know discourse until someone commented on your re-posted tweet
But there are heaps of things that I didn't know
00:28
@chmod711telkitty Jeff tweets about it all the time
Yes, there's no way to know about Discourse without stalking Jeff.
@ThePhD ikr
well, you need to stalk Jeff on twitter to know about it ...
Hi guys, I made a little webtool, that allows you to select accents the same was as in osx (press and holding a key), I'm not sure how it works in windows, so if someone can give it a try: embed.plnkr.co/jNA28BBb2JFAccPPX61p/preview
Right, because it's impossible to ever get information second-hand.
00:29
Just admit it, robot ... you were stalking Jeff :'(
So, I finally got around to reading C# In Depth, 2nd ed. by Jon Skeet
The idea is that if you press the letter 'a' and hold it, then there should come a pop up menu that let's you choose between different mathematical symbols associated with the letter 'a' like α or ∀
Some of this shit is fucked up o.o
One day we will produce software just like we make kitchen/bathroom - things that work almost perfectly yet you don't know the huge amount of knowledge involved in them unless you purposely learning those skills ...
So. KSP or DF?
00:32
@TonyTheLion Like hell I am! Now you've pissed me off!
@R.MartinhoFernandes DF
Okay, enough of angry for a while.
BTW the bathroom is f*cked @ moment, I will present to the tenants the rough version, then promise patches ... just like selling software ~_~
@chmod711telkitty Don't do it like most people who sell software. At least in most countries, lying about real estate can get you prison time.
00:37
Incompleted 'brand new' bathroom ... almost working
@JerryCoffin well, there will be small things that need more attention & I will finish them
Feel like genning a new world.
I missed a whole multiperson rant about JavaScript in the C++ room! =(
00:46
@minitech That was more a multiperson rant than a real conversation.
@JerryCoffin Noted.
01:04
Fuck it. Glacier embark.
This is gonna be so much fun.
@R.MartinhoFernandes The previous fortress didn’t recover then?
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HARFFBUUUZZZZZ
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y u so hard to compile
01:24
@LucDanton There were three sane dwarfs left, but things were way beyond repair, so they abandoned the fortress.
Reclaim would be really tough, since there's a web-spitting titan loose around there.
Though now I think about it, I don't remember ever playing two fortresses in the same world.
01:44
@thecoshman "Salty dog" is a phrase that means "pirate". I can change that if you prefer something else.
@Puppy I have five ready.
02:30
lol, a demon leading a goblin civilisation was struck down by an elephant and a 13-year old elf took his place.
 
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04:57
@thecoshman See, my way works
 
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07:06
@thecoshman Yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've disabled all rate limits, they're p dumb
 
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08:15
@R.MartinhoFernandes noooo really?
@CatPlusPlus you just up?
3 hours ago
Well, 4
At 6
@CatPlusPlus now just stay awake till 11
Entertain me till 11
I want to eat lasagna.
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Q: I m try to get data by Join query using the Node.js.

Ruturaj ManiyarI try to get the data from relative database using join query in Nodejs coding. But can not get neccessay syntax for that. so anyone can help me in syntax for how to use join query in NodeJs format.

LOL
@CatPlusPlus vOv can but try
08:23
Don't put your code in an image oh my god wtf. — Polymorphic Potato 17 secs ago
@PolymorphicPotato ahahaha that suggested edit
Instead of transcribing the code they added <img> tags
is mysql query syntax in node js — Man Programmer 5 mins ago
ahahahahah
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't you keep the same world for ever, and just keep making new fortresses when they fail?
08:57
hi
I am having the very same problem again.
with nearly exactly the same buggy outcome
and I still have no idea how to tell the compiler to verify what I want there
ownt
@Puppy it requires dependent typing again :|
I'm stuck
I see the solution which I cannot use and I can't think of anything else
Maybe it is time to stop relying on compiler and write code correctly? But that might just be my pragmatism talking.
just thinkin that
Anyway, time to play more Saints Row
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09:05
@BartekBanachewicz Then don't.
@Xarn That's... terrible. I'd need to at least cover that with tests
"writing code correctly" sounds like "hacking at it until it works"
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@BartekBanachewicz lol
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> Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
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no seriously though
@BartekBanachewicz I usually prefer sketching it out on paper to prove correctness, but w/e works for you.
09:10
@Xarn what do you write in?
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inb4 not haskell
inb4 you suck and it's shit
Not Haskell
> The one thing I've always been sketched about with fire trucks and ambulances is that they have no blinkers. I mean, they do, but all of them are going fuckin wild at the same time and there's no way to tell if they want to turn or which way.
(Because I really like that as an asnwer. :-D)
for fucks sake
I'm going to be in Haskell room then if anyone wants to talk and not wank around.
Ell
Ell
09:14
@BartekBanachewicz what is your problem?
can I see some code?
@BartekBanachewicz Every single time I log in, you talk about how Haskell is the best, if it compiles, it is correct, etc. So who is wanking here?
@Xarn so why don't you fucking use the ignore button if that irks you so much
god.
which I'm going to do no less.
ahaha
So touchy.
09:35
@BartekBanachewicz to be fair, you do wank over Haskell a fair bit
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Formal verification is overkill
and by 'fair bit', I mean far too much
it's just too time-consuming to be practical for non-trivial programs.
@CatPlusPlus so take of the top hat vOv
If you were writing a crypto system or something
09:37
oh hey rightfold is back.
@thecoshman I have just said I'm having a problem with it.
I'm having a problem staying awake
I guess 5 hours is the optimal amount of awake time
Obama sent us beer.
I'm tired of this bullshit
I'm honestly tired.
honestly I don't think that he was particularly wanking over Haskell in this specific case.
09:42
In his defense Haskell is a beautiful but difficult language.
@Puppy as rightfold
In my defence not sleeping sucks
I don't see what's so defence about that.
C++ is an ugly but difficult language.
ugly and difficult
C++ is butt ugly
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09:52
Butts are beautiful.
Ell
Ell
c++ is beautiful
@rightfold hi
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C++ is ugliful.
10:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, never heard of it
Googling it now. Looks interesting
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like the German name "CRACKA RACKA POKER!"... or what ever it is, it sounds cool I know that :P
It sounds a bit like the train driver game
probably repost
very old
Oh, then it's good
That button is gonna be a precedent. Shame about coliru not running most of my answers (too heavy) — sehe 5 secs ago
doesn't work like that :P
10:15
It does. <sticks tongue>
Does not. <pull your tongue>
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It's not funny regardless.
you're not funny regardless.
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I couldn't care less.
somehow I didn't expect anything else
10:33
was rightfold banned or something?
no, he just rage quite
then came back as a potato
(or rather, non-question)
Man, that's the fastest I've seen the OP delete their question
is that perl?
I don't know it could be PHP for all I care.
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Huh.
10:42
> The artists didn’t want to mass-produce their handpans, so they did something novel: They required prospective customers to write hand-written letters.
hehe
11:08
Ugh, handpan :< Those are Hangs.
Can someone tell me if i'm right. row_addresses_ will be an array of address pointing to somewhere in buffer_... and row_addresses_[i] will be somewhere in buffer_ too. Which means that row_addresses[0] is the first row in this case and row_addresses[1] is first element of the second row.
it's like building a char** from a char* where the first index is a shortcut to the row
Also any reason why they did write that: return &row_addresses_[0];
wouldn't it be more clear to write return &row_addresses_;
I need to convert C++ code to javascript and it's painful ... not sure what's worse... javascript or c++
Actually it is a C code, I didn't found any room with C interest
This isn't Stack Overflow. Sorry.
Questions don't have outputs. They have queston marks and go on Stack Overflow. However, a few of them can be asked directly to the compiler.
@afzalex You still haven't found any room with C interest, because this isn't one.
11:18
The C room is literally on the front page of chat.stackoverflow.com
It's the second on list.
That requires searching far too far.
Okay, I am sorry. May be I have not marked that.
man
I was clicking around this page like a moron
hoping there'd be more info or something
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s/like/as/
11:20
Why would the room link to that page saying "about this room"?
It explains nothing!
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Apparently C programmers are bad at web development.
eh, the page looks fine :v
Yeah.
They're just bad at content.
@rightfold that's one thing they have in common with web developers then!
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<!-- STYLE SHEET -->
<style type="text/css">
11:22
in C, 1 min ago, by rightfold
@PeterVaro I know Bartek. He's a troll when it comes to anything that isn't Haskell.
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hehe. i++; // increments i by one
you mean the thing?
It's entertaining atm.
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11:27
6 backers over $2k lol
@jalf I have to make the class and it hasn't been made yet. However, it should supposedly be used as such. My suggestion is meant to show an easier method of usage. I will try my best to ignore your rudeness. — user29568 1 min ago
Does this comment make sense to anyone?
Is it the lack of sleep kicking in?
Good luck with that! Let me know if you manage it! :D
@rightfold the worst is this whole "learn to code in a few hours" bullshit
11:30
There, Bartek in to provide the missing rudeness.
These are spam, aren't they?
@TonyTheLion Gonna report that project. It's insane to think that you could teach somebody to usefully program in a few hours.
It doesn't break the rules
lol the last pledge sounds like freelancing
what, advertising an undeliverable project doesn't break the rules?
11:36
there are lots of scams on kickstarter
They don't care if it's useful or has any quality
It's not that hard to deliver tutorials
true I guess
they added nice pictures
those are Apple's images I think
even the apple watch image doesn't look like the one released
lol what anime is that
apparently it's from an anime called Amnesia
I have a mentality of a 9-year-old refusing to acknowledge that his toys aren't the best in the world.
my toy car is better than yours
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I'm so rude.
11:45
I have a toy car raised to the uncountably infinitieth power.
in my case the toys were always greener on the other side
erm, that's probably not the correct way to put it
whatever
That's mold
However I also refuse to write shitty code.
I want to learn how to write good code.
It doesn't exist hth
As non-shitty as it gets then
11:46
Just ship it, nobody will tell the difference
it makes a difference in manufacturing costs
it makes a difference when new features are required
Yes, taking longer is more expensive
:v
So cute that you believe that.
it might take longer to fix bugs you've introduced
After I have seen the kind of code that runs medical devices... I don't
11:47
we're all cuties here
In fact I am fucking scared. :-D
Just wing it until project goes into EOL
ugh did you people seriously teach a newb to use space indentation? some people just want to watch the world burn.
Yes fuck you and your shitty tabs
I'm bored and sleepy
tabs vs spaces is a banned topic
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11:48
ugh did you people seriously teach a newb to use space indentation? some people just want to watch the world burn.
@Xarn horrible C code that really should be ADA?
@Mgetz Yeah
I wish I had a quick bin button
Kick him
11:49
@Rapptz write it :v
(unrelated to the current convo)
@Xarn I'm half surprised the FDA doesn't require ADA
@CatPlusPlus So you'd rather work on a terrible codebase for years instead of a nice codebase?
There's no such thing as nice codebase
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Even if you start out good it soon devolves into utter shit because of deadlines and constantly changing requirements
11:51
@Mgetz But don't tell that to Bartek, or he is gonna bring Haskell into that. :-D
Or because your tech stack is shit
Or because you got new people on the team
It's not a battle you can win
@Xarn haskell or an ML based language without null in it would work, I'd be worried about the real timedness though
@CatPlusPlus Unfortunately this is the way it goes.
that's what periodic refactoring is for
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the thing the business never bothers to include in their budgets, so I include it in my scopes
11:54
Finish asap, hope nobody will ever use the thing and it will be EOLed asap, forget it ever existed
That's the real project life cycle
Ideal
It's getting early. I should go to bed.
lol i just woke up
lol
me too
it's 3PM
@Mgetz Unless you have RTOS or very strictly controlled environment, forget about real timedness.
11:55
@Mgetz OH NO YOU SAID HASKELL YOU FANBOY
@CatPlusPlus that's why as @Lightness pointed out go in Red->Green->Refactor cycle
constantly clean up
constantly fix, remove unused stuff, document, reorganize
create one-step builds and coding guidelines for new people
It doesn't help
It might help less than I think, but it does help.
Also there's no time, because the cycle is Red->Red->Red->Fuck end of the sprint->Why are we even saying red not like we have tests at all->Red->Release
11:57
@BartekBanachewicz If I'm a fanboy of any functional language it would be F# or OCaml
@Mgetz you're of the mutable bunch, huh? :)
And then more features
And more shit
@CatPlusPlus see that's doing it wrong
you know it's wrong
@BartekBanachewicz hardly, but you occasionally need it for interop with other things
And also the vendor libraries turn out to be shit so you have to reimplement the core functionality again
And then more features
11:58
@Mgetz yarp. occasionally being the key word for me
@BartekBanachewicz Doesn't matter
@CatPlusPlus It does.
You can't win
you can try.
am I supposed to quote Harry Potter now or what
I tried, I get literally nothing out of it
So who cares
12:00
> It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew - and so do I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents - that there was all the difference in the world.
Nobody cares
As long as it runs it's fine
Client doesn't care about the code
Good code and process is the way to good software
If you don't walk into the arena clad in adamantine, you're doomed.
That's what my dwarves say.
12:01
Working software is good software
Working implies no bugs.
Working implies working
Or minimal amount of them
If nobody sees a bug, the bug doesn't exist
:v
@BartekBanachewicz F# in particular makes mutability a royal pain in the ass, I usually just create interfaces that don't require it
12:02
@CatPlusPlus that's actually true
but there are bugs bugs that you have to fix
and their impact can be minimised by good code and good process
I mostly use unit tests to ensure the changes I make don't break the functionality the client expects
it's like a one-click process to ensure things work as before
I mostly drink
I've been sober for two days
> The DDBLTFX structure passes raster operations (ROPs), effects, and override information to the IDirectDrawSurface7::Blt method.
how do you even read DDBLTFX
12:06
@AlexM. lol DirectDraw
12:21
TIL git x --help opens browser with help
I approve.
@BartekBanachewicz only on Windows (by default, at least) afaik?
also, git help x saves a whole two valuable keystrokes :D
@jalf hihi
I'm uploading first potato release :3
so excited
eh BB has really meh release support
BB?
He means himself
orite
12:33
time for a pizza
@jalf Bitbucket
@CatPlusPlus lol
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can I play it?
I think I'll move the whole project to GH
Ell
Ell
is it windows only?
@Ell no, of course not
but I guess you linux people are used to building from sources?
12:44
I've been thinking about switching back to Mercurial
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@BartekBanachewicz only Gentoo and LFS users
If it's not an ebuild it doesn't exist
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yup
@CatPlusPlus what's ebuild?
@CatPlusPlus why?
@Ell lemme know if you need help
Ell
Ell
Hm. My cabal doesn't seem to be recognizing any of those options o.O
12:47
@Ell version?
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@BartekBanachewicz Portage package build script
Ell
Ell
cabal-install version 1.16.0.2
using version 1.16.0 of the Cabal library
but I have a friend coming over soon
so I'll have to do it on sunday probably
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@Ell old
Ell
Ell
I'm working tomorrow
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cabal-install version 1.20.0.3
using version 1.20.0.1 of the Cabal library
12:50
@Ell 1.18+
ghc 7.8
@Fanael OIC
why can't I pay online for my pizza
"Error:CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool."
Fucking CLion I dont want to use Mingw Makefiles D:

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