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12:05 AM
@AlexM. spreading the good word, /cc @sbi, @thecoshman
 
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hello folks and folkettes, how's your day/night going?
 
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GAG - why would you want to?

http://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/3404/is-it-possible-to-experience-powerful-sensations-such-as-orgasm-without-gettin
 
All religions are sexist.
 
I'll create a religion that's not sexist
one centered around me
and everyone else would not matter equally, regardless of sex
now I only need followers
that must also not matter
 
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12:16 AM
@AlexM. that's already been done.
 
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Geez this thread could get into murky territory REALLY quickly
 
@aclarke a few lawsuits never hurt anyone
 
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@AlexM. Oh, another?
 
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What was that one Kurt Vonnegut invented? "church of God the completely disinterested" or something? where everyone believed that God didn't give a shit anymore, so they were free to make their own judgement calls?
 
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@AlexM. and from the question I posted, definitely not sexy
 
@Rapptz The only problem I have with overtemplatizing and cramming it all into headers is that it kills compile times. At least not without separating out the template definitions and explicitly instantiating them from one place.
 
@Rapptz I thought it was yours (the post).
Good morning.
 
I don't funpost on reddit.
 
And also readability. I'm probably not the only person who can't easily handle layers and layers of templates.
 
With templates, you should not think of recursion as recursion, else your mind will blow.
 
1:05 AM
23 hours ago, by Rapptz
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/29a9d050921dff65
I actually have a more complex version somewhere.
 
@Rapptz That I can handle. If it was 4 months ago, I'd puke.
 
btw
what do you think about using machine epsilons?
like std::numeric_limits<T>::epsilon() which is just DBL_EPSILON.
@Mysticial How about this then? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/4739f8b7d406cc36
it has fancy SFINAE :D
it took me forever to actually get that to work
you know
not sure how that compiles
I didn't include <type_traits>.
guess functional did.
 
1:29 AM
@Rapptz You suck.
:)
 
I am really bad at this epsilon thing
I have no idea why 0.001 works but 0.0001 doesn't
 
No I can't parse that.
 
how2epsilon
 
What do you want to do with epsilons?
 
integrate function up there
I'm comparing doubles pretty much
 
1:31 AM
oh
How does it not work?
 
it gives the wrong answer
11.8347 vs 11.8333
 
Probably just a numerical stability thing.
Your integration algorithm is kinda shitty to begin with. Not much I can say.
 
hey man
 
:)
 
it was a quick function
 
1:34 AM
What if you tried 0.0000000000001?
It might take a while though.
 
I don't think this algorithm can take values that small
this is just a crappy way to calculate the area under the curve like noobs do it
 
Don't do x += epsilon;. Do something x = index * epsilon instead.
 
what would index be though?
 
A monotonically increasing integer counter.
That way you remove a whole dimension of round-off error.
 
do you have an example?
oh wait, are you referring specifically to this algorithm?
or in the general case
 
1:39 AM
Something like this:
const double epsilon = 0.001;
int index = 0;
while(index * epsilon < high) {
    area_one += e(index * epsilon) * epsilon;
    area_two += e((index + 1) * epsilon) * epsilon;
    index++;
}
Might as well convert it to a for-loop.
 
Oh I see.
 
The x += eplison will accumulate round-off like mad.
 
Xeo
man that was fun
found a group of equal-skill players and we played... 3, 4h?
you guys should get SpeedRunners too, I wanna play against the Lounge
 
@Mysticial I'll keep this in mind whenever I do things like this.
though, shouldn't index be equal to low?
or well, a casted down low.
 
Or something like that.
Move the computation of x into the formula itself.
while(low + index * epsilon < high) {
    area_one += e(low + index * epsilon) * epsilon;
    area_two += e(low + (index + 1) * epsilon) * epsilon;
    index++;
}
 
Xeo
1:44 AM
too much epsilon
chance of epilepsonie increasing
shit, I gotta get this stuff out of the laundry
 
@Xeo wot
 
Xeo
@Rapptz meant to be a pun on "epsilon" and "epilepsy"
 
epsilondry
 
@Mysticial Ah. TIL. Neato. Thanks.
 
Another reason to avoid doing invariant variables like x is that it inhibits compiler optimizations.
Each iteration is dependent on the previous.
You still have that now, but that can also be fixed via other tricks.
 
 
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3:14 AM
the lounge has been quite for an hour? internet must be down in europe.
Oh wait, they're all asleep.
 
3:25 AM
+1 love how you snuck in def to mean 'the letters on phone key 3'. — AJMansfield Sep 6 at 19:25
Awesome.
 
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3:41 AM
@SamDeHaan i think you accidentally a word
 
4:16 AM
@aclarke Didn't leave anything out, just misspelled "quiet" as "quite".
 
@JerryCoffin "quite quiet"
 
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@JerryCoffin well, yes...
 
He's a quiter. He spells "quiet" as "quite".
 
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but that's not funny is it?
 
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hehe
 
@aclarke I thought it was quiet funny.
 
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woooooooooooo that's the sound of the wind blowing through the cracks here.
 
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it quit quite in here
 
@aclarke No, it was not quite in here when it quit, but it was quite close.
 
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4:25 AM
 
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4:46 AM
TIL: not only does Bruce Lee beat Chuck Norris (obviously the only person to do so) [see Return of the Dragon] but he also beat up Jackie Chan in Enter the Dragon. It's about time those Chuck Norris jokes were layed to rest.
 
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I hope Sam didn't get pissed at the smart-asses in here. Jerry, shame on you.
 
Bruce Lee is dead buddy.
 
5:02 AM
@aclarke There can be no shame on me. I have no shame.
 
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not by the hand of Chuck.
 
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nor, indeed, by his roundhouse.
 
shame is another name for coward, hero/heroines are shameless
ever heard hercules has shame?
you need to have thick skins to accomplish things, just look at the politicians ...
 
@chmod711telkitty hmm...most I've seen seem to be mostly about thick wallets, not thick skin.
 
usually you need thick skin to cat fight your way to your thick wallet
 
5:12 AM
@chmod711telkitty Maybe in Australia. In the US...Ted Kennedy? George Bush? Not so much...
 
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Hercules experienced shame:
Hercules' home town made annual tribute payments to Orchomenus. One year Hercules disfigured a herald who was sent to collect the tribute, thus starting a war. With Athena's aid he defeated the King of Orchomenus, allowing Creon to become king. He was rewarded with Creon's daughter, Megara, for his wife. Hera, always an antagonist of Hercules, drove him mad in which state his mistakenly killed Megara and their children. Wishing to remove the shame of this crime, Hercules consulted the oracle at Delphi who told him to serve twelve years in the servitude to Eurysth
 
He shouldn't feel shame. It was just a little accident.
 
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heh - he accidentally the whole family.
 
It happens to the best of us.
 
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5:29 AM
Wonder if anyone, anywhere on the planet, still takes the Greek myths seriously as a religion, or are we officially allowed to laugh at it? Great stories though...
 
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@chmod711telkitty what are you doing here? Haven't you still got 3 pallets of house bricks to shift around the back?
 
i need help
i can't find an entry level job and i am falling into a deep dark depression.
im watching office space to cure sadness.
 
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let Courage Wolf give you strength: memegenerator.net/Courage-Wolf
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@aclarke this actually cheered me up :)
 
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haha glad to be of service. I put about 300 courage wolfs in my son's screen saver to try to make him more committed to his homework ;-)
 
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5:40 AM
Wonder who would win in a fight between Courage Wolf and Chuck Norris.
 
@aclarke What's it like being a father?
 
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Or with Mr. T - who is THE motivational guru.
 
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SCARY! Don't do it!
 
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But they're really cute
 
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when they're asleep
 
5:41 AM
@aclarke hahaha!
 
@aclarke I read that a single wolf would not attack an adult human.
 
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@StackedCrooked i heard that wolves generally won't even in a pack... Not sure I'd rely on that though.
 
Unless it's a mad wolf like insanity wolf.
 
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Wonder who'd win in a fight: CW or IW
 
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now I have to wiki or google wolf attacks...
 
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5:52 AM
WOOF! no way, wolves do attack humans. Glad I haven't got myself lost in a forest.
 
Strange. Internet seems to be super-slow and yet I'm able to watch youtube videos.
 
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utubes of wolf attacks? Who's winning?
 
6:07 AM
@StackedCrooked I often get the reverse :(
 
6:20 AM
If Scotland becomes independent it can no longer use the British Pound. Why is that?
Must a country have its own currency?
(Assuming they are not a EU member.)
 
Scotland could become a member of the EU
 
Sure.
 
yet, I'm not sure it would make much sense
btw, anyone asking himself why the EU didn't lift the sanctions against Russia yet, there is peace in ukraine
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix for how long?
 
@StackedCrooked It can still use the pound, it just no longer has any control over it.
 
6:23 AM
almost a week
 
@thecoshman And currently it does have some control over it?
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix do we believe it will last, i mean...
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix lol, EU wouldn't accept a debt riddle (proably defaulting) country like Scotland would be
 
@aclarke but that doesn't matter, the thing is that the sanctions were there until putin does anything to prevent war... yet he did if it starts again... like it's russia's fault
 
@StackedCrooked It's part of the UK, it has a say in policy that involves GBP
 
6:24 AM
I see.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix What are these actions? Maybe it's just a good excuse to keep some "stop being global dicks" policy going
 
@thecoshman economic sanctions that screw up more the EU than Russia itself
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I see
 
they want to do sanctions on oil, and Russia will respond by blocking air traffic over Russia
if new sanctions are accepted (while there is peace in ukraine)...
It's like the EU doesn't actually see how much they are shooting themselves in the foot
 
but yeah, regarding Scotland gaining independence, AFAIK, it's not the sensible thing to do.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix noo, that would never happen :P
 
6:28 AM
he
After the last sanctions, russia blocked import (food and some other products) from europe, usa, canada (everyone against russia)
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix oh yeah, block food. that definitely hurts the suppliers.
 
Well yeah, and now Russia just takes food from different countries and develop its own production of cheese and so on.
I think what will hit the most Europe is if they'd block alcohol import
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix now that's a threat. There'd be riots
 
the only problem is that while blocking some products, they can't be found over here for example Brie... but ask me why since they blocked imports, I never seen so many different Brie cheese brand in the shop.
 
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All of those sound like a child saying "if you won't give me candy and let me keep smacking my brother, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!"
 
6:36 AM
@aclarke how so, nobody is kicking a brother
 
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/shrug
 
It's more like, if you keep kicking me while my brother stab itself, I'll show you how it is to live without breathing
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that's lucky, otherwise you'd not have anything for Putin on the Ritz.
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that definitely sounds like a Russian version
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix of course, that Russian Brie is made from fermented acorns and turnip juice.
 
6:44 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix nooo, Russia was merely having a polite look around Ukraine ¬_¬
@aclarke oh you
 
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/trying desperately not turn turn this into a flame war
 
@aclarke we dance that line all day long :P
 
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@thecoshman i'm learning not to cross it in this polite company. What a strange place the lounge is.
 
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Interwebs with scruples.
 
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Anything in the new C++14 standard that might solve world peace?
 
6:48 AM
hmmm. yes.
Perhaps that I know your DoB?
Note that the image is the exact first hit in google for "thecoshman birthday". Not too much effort, right.
 
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    class FormerSovietUnion {
        mutable Satellite Ukraine;
        ....
    };
 
need moar shared_ptr :/
 
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hahahahahaha
 
and explicit destruction
 
shared_ptn
Oh wait unique_ptn
 
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6:51 AM
    std::shared_ptr<Blame>
 
I hope it's not copyable. Perhaps it will be movable.
 
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or should it be <Finger>
 
@aclarke Wait, is this with the N7893 (Reasonable Modules) extensions?
I'm off to work
 
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@sehe i doubt it!
 
@aclarke Actually it comes from France... there is no Russian brie
 
6:53 AM
@sehe I have a hunch that you're already at work, but well...
 
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I have to go soon, nearly 5pm
 
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anyone had linear programming at uni?
I'm going to my exam, but I only "know" simplex method...
 
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is that where you don't use IF statements?
 
it's not really programming, it's also called transport problem or something like that
 
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6:57 AM
 
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Hi Crow! Bye Crow!
 
@aclarke Hm. What made me think of the name "Wolfram Alpha". Wolf, ram, alpha. I wonder why Mr. Wolfram really needs to prove to the world that he's male?
@aclarke Bye.
Oh wait, you mean telkitty?
 
7:12 AM
@sehe no... a bit strange that you would bother though...
but yeah that was me at around... 10 maybe
 
I should create a shortcut to activate my virtualenv and cd into my project directory.
And a script that opens Chromium, Thunderbird, IntelliJ and two terminals that perform said shortcut, and places all windows in the correct positions.
 
god damn it's nearly impossible for me to book an appointment to hand over forms to get my learners licence
 
7:30 AM
Solar flare coming our way. Time to backup my shit and put it in the basement.
 
Maybe we should all say goodbye for now.
 
I don't think that a solar flare can corrupt a powered-down hard drive. But I'm taking no chances.
 
And meet each other amidst the riots of zombie 4Chan/reddit users.
 
ideally for every bug fixed, if possible a unit test should be added to make sure the bug does not appear again
 
Doing a backup tonight. All the small important stuff gets compressed/encrypted and tossed into my gmail drafts.
 
7:36 AM
how to write a test case for each bug?
anybody can help me?
 
@Mysticial Get a lead body radiation blocker (or whatever you call it) from your local hospital. :P
@Mysticial You should put all your stuff to the cloud. And when everything goes down you could sue them for not keeping your data safe!
 
2 mins ago, by Mysticial
Doing a backup tonight. All the small important stuff gets compressed/encrypted and tossed into my gmail drafts.
 
Mean while on the news...
Yeah...
 
They say it can be as early as tomorrow morning. Whatever the hell that means.
It'll take probably some 8 hours to back my shit up.
 
In any way you'll end up backing up your data so it still is worth it.
 
7:45 AM
I haven't done a backup since June. Which isn't good. Granted I monitor the health of my HDs.
 
@aclarke labourer needs rest every 15 minutes, I have a mobile to share internet with my laptop. Did not get home after 11pm last night in a rush to finish the bathroom. 2 more crazy days, then I get to relax for 2-3 weeks while waiting for the real owner building project to start (already paid for material & waiting for them to be delivered). During which, I plan to finish the android app that I have been doing for the past 4-5 months :p
@JerryCoffin speaking of which, although Bin Laden was a terrible human being, he's a lot more charismatic than both George Bush & Ted Kennedy ...
 
Bad title of the day:
-3
Q: Java help! (New to programming!)

HaloBmanI am just getting into Java, and am loving every bit of it. I have been reading and coding for about three weeks now, and have decided to try to make my first program: a password database for myself! Now I am confused on one part. I am making a master password that will be entered upon the openi...

 
8:02 AM
@MarkGarcia now I am
 
@aclarke what?
 
pooo
 
Wonderful
This delete animation will make the client drool.
 
8:32 AM
ergh... crappy features are crappy
 
Xeo
@MarkGarcia That first picture looks like the sun has a shining heart on it
also, morning
 
@Xeo Oh right! Let's just wait for some FB or tumblr post that says about love and the sun.
Good morning.
 
8:47 AM
@thecoshman it's not a crappy feature.
 
good mornings
 
@PolymorphicPotato does it add value? no, crappy
 
look, I've already decided you are wrong
 
Feedback, rather than confusing sudden replacement of fields.
 
9:04 AM
I guess this is a sign I should start looking at Spirit X3 :/ — sehe 8 mins ago
 
Xeo
9:15 AM
3
Q: Are const iterators still evil in C++14

VoracItem 26 from Scott Mayers's "Effective STL" is labeled "Prefer iterator to const_iterator, reverse_iterator and const reverse iterator". The reasoning is that some forms of insert() and erase() require exactly iterator and converting from the other types is tedious and error-prone. Furthermore,...

Kudos for reading Scott Meyers' books. Not-so-kudos for missing that C++11 already changed this.
 
I hate it when youtube videos are not loud enough
I really need to get my own music here
 
Enlouden them.
 
how, I set the volume on max already
it's not goddamn loud enough
 
Audacity.
 
that mans I have to convert the thing to mp3 or something first, and that's so much work :'(
> mans
lol
too late to edit now
 
9:29 AM
owned
 
Xeo
dafaq. who is voting to close that question as "opinion-based"
 
probably people who only read the title
 
Xeo
mornin
 
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9:48 AM
@thecoshman 'thrice'
 
@AlexM. I stream it from my own machine.
Though now that I think of it, I could just Dropbox it.
 
@aclarke ooh
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that like dropping the mic?
 
10:09 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes looks like a crap. asio's yeild is much better.
especially that "with asyncpp we can write this as a flat sequence of steps:" part
with proper asio you'd just write auto iter = resolver.async_resolve(query, yield); async_connect(socket, iter, yield); and so on
 
So....
I have a Facebook account, Google+ account, Twitter account, and few more.
Ever time I see some interesting I have an urge to share it everywhere. But then I have counter-urge not to spam everybody.
How do I resolve this dilemma?
 
simple: don't share.
 
@Abyx "just"
Plus some boilerplate to make a struct, of course.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh? what struct?
 
@Puppy But I want to share.
 
10:16 AM
@VáclavZeman That's the problem you need to correct.
 
@Cat any idea why my artifacts are not being published? Log here says that it created an archive ci.loungecpp.net/…, but the build overview still says "Artifacts: None".
 
@Abyx Gee, I already had this conversation with you more than once in the past.
At least one time it ended with you linking to some of that "just" code, which was invariably surrounded by the usual boilerplate.
 
@wondering: You can look at assembler code yourself. Why ask here? — gnasher729 3 mins ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so you say that async::TaskVector<int> tasks is better? wtf man?
 
10:28 AM
right
robot, do you know how to make the teamcity build agents do stuff?
 
Like what?
 
Cat said that he wanted me to install LLVM/Clang myself but not sure how
 
Add it as a build step?
 
wouldn't that entail building LLVM/Clang every time I build Wide?
 
I assume there's a way to skip it if not needed.
 
10:33 AM
hmm
there is a dependencies tab.
so I could add LLVM/Clang as a project and then depend on it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are we going to factor in the fact that people could change their names? Thus alphabetical turn order could result in me going every other turn... I'd say to counter this that rules should start dictating the actual turn order that we start with. Or just trust that I don't want to put that much effort into this :P
 
Your usual nickname is "thecoshman". I don't know what you're talking about.
Also, there's really no chance you could get away with that. I'd invoke Judgment, and the Judge would tell you to shut the fuck up.
If you happened to be the Judge, we'd just overrule your decision and get the previous player to be Judge. Then that player would tell you to shut the fuck up.
 
sup guis
 
until rules about judges change :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes or cosh, or pirate...
 
Well, if you really feel strongly about it, change it.
 
10:44 AM
@dolan biatch
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm inclined to talk about things first, rather than edit war them
 
No, by change, I meant: wait for your turn, propose a change.
 
also, if I'm going to put down the names of peeps, I'd need to know who they are :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh :P
fair enough
is it possible for rules to permit cross game rule changes?
 
I only made that slight change to let us start the game without requiring real names.
 
how we going to do it btw? just through editing the gist? Can we all edit that same gist?
 
10:47 AM
@thecoshman Anything is possible!
 
If you call condvar.notify_all() and you are not holding the associated std::mutex, can anything go wrong?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it sort of hurts my head thinking of all the convoluted things I could try.
 
Basically, I am asking, should you always call condvar.notify_all() with the mutex held or can you do without it?
 
It's like playing an extreme version of fluxx
 
@VáclavZeman There are certainly unrelated things that can go wrong when you do that (but also when you do not do that).
 
10:48 AM
@PolymorphicPotato Your statement is not helpful! :)
 
@VáclavZeman It's just fine
You don't have to own anything to notify
 
@VáclavZeman there is an article about this
let me see if I can find it again
 
@thecoshman Dunno. We can come up with a formal procedure for the proposals (again, as proposed by someone on their turn), but I was expecting edits to be only 'official' acts that can be done by one single 'stenographer' or something. Discussion should not involve edits to those documents, I say, only the official stuff.
 
Also channellllllsss.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's going on
 
10:50 AM
the answer is essentially that you don't need to own the mutex but in some cases it's a good idea to own it or something
 
The first two full circuits of turns require unanimity, and that makes it ideal for setting up those structural aspects.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this is where something like google docs would be handy
@R.MartinhoFernandes not quite :P
 
Not quite what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's only the initial rules XD
@dolan starboard nub cake
 
i'll just make fagitas
 
10:54 AM
@thecoshman Yes, but changing that one rule requires unanimity in the first two full circuits of turns. I will veto any change to it :P
 
@VáclavZeman I think it was this one domaigne.com/blog/computing/…
 
The unanimity requirement can only be dropped with an unanimous vote.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I know where to not waste my precious points to start with :P
 
so yeah I guess it presents a situation where you have to lock to ensure correctness
> On my box, the above program terminates with a SIGSEGV after a few thousands of iterations when running at least on two CPUs. The problem lies at lines 56-59. It can happen that the shutdown thread sees that nthreads==0, and thus destroys the condition variable, But shortly after a thread in the pool tries to signal the condition variable that doesn’t exist anymore. If we signal first and then unlock, the program runs fine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure, or two turns.
 
10:55 AM
Note that it's two turns of each player.
 
I like the idea of allowing all players to have a proposal in play at the same time, but only one each. Though it might need some rule that means you can't opt to not vote on someone's proposal thus locking them in with an undecided proposal.
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure... to start with :P
ok... first propsal "Stop pointing out that the rules can change, just talk about how they currently are" :P
 

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