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00:00
RIP Robin Williams
what's nn? The new "night"?
what the actual fuck @LightnessRacesinOrbit
00:06
It should probably be added here.
how have you never ran into it?
it's one of the top 5 most commonly used acronyms I've seen online
not here, that's for sure
@Jefffrey I disagree. It simply shouldn't be used.
OTOH, TTBOMK, "OOTC" isn't and should be.
@ParthianShot: That's not really true at all. There aren't any C++ solutions that are less elegant, for one, since C doesn't possess any important language features C++ doesn't. For two, there are a GREAT MANY language and library features C++ does have that C does not, and the answerers need to know for sure if they're available. — Puppy 2 hours ago
lolwat
@JerryCoffin I don't like it either.
Good on you.
00:20
Also, what is OOTC?
@Jefffrey Obligatory On Topic Comment. It would mean saying something about C++ now and then, just to prove you could, so to speak.
yeah my basement is flooded lol
@ScottW Must be tough to drive on a sidewalk while it's fucking. Seems like it'd make for a bumpy ride.
well it's not too bad
00:26
yay vertical photo
@Jefffrey Shush man.
:D
I like sushi.
Sushi doesn't like you bub.
00:29
Oh I know. I can't blame it, considering it gets eaten every time.
@Jefffrey That's "portrait" (as opposed to "landscape") you ignorant buffoon.
Sorry, boss.
@Jefffrey Don't call me "boss". I don't wear a white suit.
user457812
I'd wear a pink suit if it didn't cost a ton.
00:36
@nil did you take a wrong turn at albequerque?
@nil You can get a purple one custom made in taiwan for pretty cheap
according to Top Gear :P
user457812
@Code-Apprentice No, I got tired of sitting around in NSChat/Android where it's people asking stupid questions half the time.
bash scripting is pretty bad
I'm not sure anyone likes this
somehow manages to be better than batch files
@nil Here we have an Android a robot sitting around half the time.
user457812
00:41
bash scripting is crap and sucks but it beats using something else half the time
user457812
I think the Android room has some fork of some chat.so bot sitting around some of the time.
@nil Our robot is unique (and substantially more intelligent than most people).
user457812
I was going to put one in NSChat but decided that was really boring and instead went back to working on the game engine I keep tinkering away at instead of making an actual game.
user457812
Is your robot a cat?
No, he's a robot
user457812
00:43
That's disappointing.
We also have a Cat
and a Puppy
user457812
I remember the Cat and Puppy from when I used to hang out in here.
all we need is a Unicorn
@nil No, but our cat is somewhat like Marvin.
user457812
00:45
That's pretty accurate.
user457812
I wonder if the puppy, since I forgot his actual username, ever saw a doctor for that thing he kept talking about.
@nil Then you should remember the robot as well. He's been around longer than either of them, if memory serves.
user457812
Maybe, I'm kind of bad with remembering people who don't complain a lot.
@nil His user name is actually now "Puppy". And yes, he saw several doctors several times, and they finally found some treatments that are working well for him.
user457812
That's good to hear.
00:51
I might end up doing these things with python instead of bash
user457812
I usually switch to Ruby if it takes more than 100 lines.
tbh the only thing really bugging me is the lack of types like, even numbers and booleans are strings
@Rapptz Hard to be sure without knowing what you're doing, but I'd still say that's probably a good call.
I'm making some custom git commands
user457812
I found out today that PHP has type hinting crap but that it's dumb and stupid.
user457812
00:56
'Cause I'm learning PHP for my job and it's kind of like me thinking "wow PHP has changed a lot" and then stumbling on something and going "no, it hasn't changed at all."
Everything wrong with modern media in one screenshot: http://t.co/IipUQeVPzv
user457812
Morbid.
@nil It's ok.
user457812
I can find positive stuff to say about PHP 5 (mostly ≥5.3), but it's still pretty unpleasant
It could be extended also to primitive types... but well, it's still PHP we are talking about.
user457812
00:58
Doesn't help that any PHP script is basically the functional equivalent of a command line app that receives its arguments via a request map and optionally dragging stuff in from a DB/other files.
user457812
Whereas I'm used to having everything running for long-ish periods of time without the process dying.
user457812
I think it might almost be culture shock
user457812
Hang on, I need to become an anime princess.
2 hours ago, by Puppy
it must be such a heartbreaking moment
01:03
I <3 Fluffo
2 hours ago, by Puppy
for people who actually knew the guy personally.
but I want a sci-fi character
Just like Puppy.
Good morning. Well, sad...
user457812
Bit sad for me since I just learned about it when I joined the room.
01:16
wolves are so annoying
I want a new Nexus 7 with this in it
02:08
@Borgleader Just wait for this ^
02:30
I'm excited for those next-gen full Windows cheap hybrids.
Even the current Bay Trail Atoms processors have very acceptable performance.
s/Atoms/Atom/
Ell
Ell
Anyone awake?
12:41pm, a bit weird 2 b asleep
Ell
Ell
It's quarter to 4 in the morning for me
I just got back from a night out
I'm drinking 2L of water to minimize the hangover now
Phew it's s lit of water
02:47
> I love this community.
Wow
That's not what I normally see new people saying.
@Ell then you have to go to the bathroom a few times at the night ... or during the early morning
Ell
Ell
Probably
I'm Hopi.g at least some of it will be absorbed though
And gosh I can't do vodka shots anymore
I almost threw up
There and then
It's like petrol
03:05
@Ell Sounds to me like you need to drink a better qualify of vodka.
Ell
Ell
@jerry that I'm certain
It was the worst vodka I have ever tasted in my entire life
@Ell What was it?
Ell
Ell
I'm.not sure
I just got a vodka shot
I'd been having cocktails and I think going from nice tasting alcohol to terrible tasting alcohol was just too much
I'm surprised I could keep it down
I'd had a tall white Russian before which was delicious
@Ell Certainly sounds like one to avoid, if only you knew what it was.
I'll admit I'm picky though. You need decent vodka for a mixed drink, and good vodka for a shot.
@JerryCoffin Until you start drinking too much, then you become less picky
03:20
@Yuushi Speak for yourself. Even when I drank more than anybody should, I was still picky.
well, there is a limit
I'd rather set fire to Smirnoff than drink it, for example
@Yuushi I'm not sure exactly what Smirnoff really is, but it's certainly not Vodka, at least by any reasonable definition of the word. Part of any definition of vodka would have to include its being fit for human consumption, which Smirnoff clearly isn't.
@JerryCoffin Indeed.
03:42
Generally I stick to only a few vodkas. At least IMO, Absolut is good enough when mixed with cranberry juice, but not really good for shots. For shots, I mostly used to stick to Van Gogh or Ketel One. Grey Goose and Belvedere are drinkable in a pinch, but not particularly good, and very over-priced.
I <3 lychee strawberry flavoured Rosé
they discontinued the line, apparently I am the minority ...
I actually don't mind absolut, I think it's the best "cheap" vodka
04:18
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@Mysticial you there?
^^ lol, closed as dupe
@nightcracker nice timing
that was instant
ya
xD
I knew you were coming, so I posted ahead of time.
I had quick question, on haswell what's a decent estimate of the cost of a branch mispredict in #cycles?
04:19
12 - 20?
k thx
I think I've told you about this before
but I think you'd be pretty interested in the mill architecture
Which could be up to 80 instructions depending on how efficient the code is.
but it's best to watch them in order
@Mysticial they're rather long talks (and quite a few of them), but they're absolutely fascinating
04:34
I'm actually more interested to hear about breakthroughs in memory.
Since current processors are already fast enough to be memory-bound for the majority of apps.
@Mysticial not sure if you watched the memory talk
@Mysticial you can statically schedule loads ahead-of-time, so even a cache miss becomes effectively a 0 latency load
@nightcracker But that doesn't help with bandwidth.
Actually, before we get to that.
true, but is bandwidth still a problem with prefetchers?
Statically scheduling ahead of time is the same as prefetching.
But you can't prefetch when say, traversing a linked list.
except prefetching is done heuristically
and true, you can't prefetch a linked list
@Mysticial what talks did you watch?
04:49
Just the ones on the processors.
I haven't seen the memory ones yet.
on the processors?
not sure which ones you mean with that
I've seen one on the basic belt architecture itself.
yes, that one is a must to even understand the others
in of itself it's not really THAT interesting, except for the fact it reduces function call overhead to 0
05:02
As far as bandwidth goes, I'm not actually convinced that they've hit the limit.
So far it seems that cramming more and more channels seems to work.
I'm not certain about bandwidth either, but they could easily extend it, because they are incredibly parallel
like, this is a prime target for adding more channels
@Mysticial one of the main things I've noticed from the talks (especially the ones on prediction and metadata) is because of the belt structure and total lack of global registers they can do sick things like implement if (a<0) x = y; branchless in 2 cycles
they can do serious speculating on values
@nightcracker You can already do that on x86.
strcpy is just one loop with one vector copy, and you can't go out of bounds
> Common shading language intermediate representation
C++ shaders anyone?
@Mysticial err, of course, cmov right? derp - but this doesn't use a special move instruction
05:09
I hope MS ditches DX for that new OpenGL.
@nightcracker The mill processor avoids branch mispredictions by determining them way ahead of time statically right?
What about a loop like this:
@Mysticial no
while (sum != 123456)
    sum += A[i++];
Oh, they still have prediction, but it's just cheaper to miss.
05:11
very cheap
no global state is incredible :D
I was gonna say, any sort of data-depending or graph application will break just about every "super-CPU" you can build.
Btw, that loop example I gave can be done in O(log(n)) time given infinite computing resources.
but really
is one of the most interesting talks
and pipelining
they can vectorize most loops others can't
 
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07:09
Lounge found dead in apparent suicide. RIP Lounge.
why don't vending machines accept cards
@AlexM. some do, here at least
They are designed to be portable. It's expensive to provide data comms for them in arbitrary locations.
maybe you're just living in a backwards and primitive society. :P
you may be right
07:18
There are mobile terminals
aren't those available only in stores?
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stop complaining and please fit nicely into the pigeon-hole I've put you in! :-) — Duncan 13 mins ago
hehe
07:42
@LightnessRacesinOrbit New profile pic?
Do spam flags give an automatic free downvote?
Or is this a coincidence?
lol no
I did two spam flags and they all got downvoted after the flag. It was weird.
probably the spam flag triggered an update
yeah but right after?
I don't have another spam post to test it though
07:51
Spam flags auto-downvote the post.
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@Mysticial really?
try it on this I guess
@Mysticial On answers?
I believe on any post.
07:51
wtf they do
this is the first time I see this
What I don't know is if the downvote gets removed when the flag is declined or ages away.
@MarkGarcia Already done with AMP. LLVM IR is a pretty useful target but it depends on exactly how they changed it.
> Looks like Doom co-creator John Romero is working on a new shooter.
@Mysticial did you watch the metadata talk?
he's going to make us his bitches again
07:53
btw this is the second spam flag I did: stackoverflow.com/a/25258655/1381108
@nightcracker Not yet. I've been busy.
@Mysticial ah k - np
really tells you something that that guy is only known for making Doom.
@Puppy Yeah AMP, but you can't really do rendering stuff. I want more like Apple's Metal API that's really for rendering.
when you mark a constructor explicit in the declaration, you don't have to repeat explicit at definition time, right?
07:54
well, it's still up in the air as to whether their SPIR thing is close enough to LLVM IR to support languages like C++.
That future OpenGL IR would be different than SPIR.
well, the same questions apply.
Though they've already done LLVM -> SPIR so it'd be close.
The intel guys on their AMP implementation.
for example, I saw that PNACL is built on LLVM IR, but it's very restricted, you couldn't just use a Clang output.
iz thiz the Yoga chatroom?
07:58
you could look at the room title
@nightcracker Says lounge, who knows a lounge for yoga
@HamZa Believe me, the people here are nothing even a bit close to zen.
@HamZa it says Lounge<C++>
@MarkGarcia You take that back you sonofabitch!
@MarkGarcia hehe I know. It's been a while
08:00
so unless Yoga == C - 1, then no, this is not the yoga lounge
@nightcracker I'm just trolling. Neem me niet te serieus :)
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A: Why can't users with less than 10 reputation points add images while asking question?

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> in a sense that it wasn't porn, Hitler, Hitler porn, or the like
^^ I don't even wanna know.
@Yuushi You're lucky I'm on a restraining order not to swear right now.
:P
@MarkGarcia How did you manage that?
@Yuushi I'm getting suspicious we have a company network filter here...
08:05
ah, I see
Does doodle work for you guys? It hangs here.
home page loads reasonable fast for me ... be more specific on what you meant by 'work'?
Works here.
I wonder if flags are anonymous.
A quick google search shows that all flags but mod attention are.
08:21
Hello? May I have help concerning SDL_IMG?
flag is not anonymous to the moderators ... or was it for the community managers, I am certain some 'super' users can see who casted the flag
it is
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A: Is my flagging data/history anonymous to volunteer/elected moderators?

Jeff Atwood spam/offensive flags are anonymous comment flags are anonymous moderator attention flags are attributed to the user who raised the flag, as Marc pointed out, so we can have a dialog if necessary or get background

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
@TimPost community managers can see who casted the flags, right?
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by Tim Post
@chmod711telkitty I think so.
Does anyone have a minute to help me with a type question?
you can ask, you are not a newblet, we will forgive you for asking :p
08:36
@chmod711telkitty speak for yourself
I need a meta generic :P I'm trying to implement a promise library in swift for fun and I want to store the .then handler functions.
@chmod711telkitty THE LOUNGE DOES NOT FORGIVE, DOES NOT FORGET
TIL the browser-like tab behavior of notepad++: ctrl + page up for previous tab, page down for next tab.
The problem is, the signature of `.then is:
func then<NT,NE>(onFulfilled:(T) -> Promise<NT,NE>) -> Promise<NT,NE>{
@MarkGarcia Sublime Text as well.
Xeo
Xeo
08:37
I don't think anyone in here is even remotely interested in Swift.
except to laugh at it
I need to store onFulfilled and the Promise<NT,NE> I'm rejecting and I need to stay type safe, the problem is collections have uniform types. I need to store the type information with the collection and the only way I can do that is to explicitly keep the types.
@Xeo why? In your opinion it isn't worth learning?
I personally don't like it because it was hyped up by Apple but then through SO questions you'd see that the language was slow and a bit strange.
But I think a big reason people don't like it is because it's proprietary, i.e. pretty much useless currently outside of iOS8 development.
@Rapptz I actually kind of like it though it takes some time to get used to.
Hum. Good point ;) ! I also used pointers for performance, but I guess I could simply pass them by reference... — Wookai Aug 18 '09 at 12:21
pointers for performance lol
08:53
hello
Xeo
Xeo
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nope, I don't consider Swift worth learning.
Do you guys know another header-only (or small) unit testing framework outside of Catch?

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