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12:00 PM
@Mgetz Here in Berlin they need divers for construction work because if you dig anywhere it will flood.
 
Ha yes and there's pumps all over
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I knew that, New Orleans and Mobile have the same issue, they just use coffer dams
 
Pink pipes to carry water from construction sites, i.e., 80% of the city.
(ok, 80% is an exaggeration)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how very german, in the US they just pump it into the street, and then let the main drainage pumps take it from there
 
Xeo
so, I just found out about 'fudepens', or 'brush pens'
 
user3010322
12:06 PM
fudepens...
 
user3010322
Oh. Modern calligraphy pens.
 
@Mgetz lol
> EDIT: the tweet originally in this post was not correctly sourced. We replaced it with the person who originally made the Tweet.
GEe.
Translation: "EDIT: We are really terrible and don't even check our sources. We fixed that this one time."
 
hmmm
 
Kotaku is terrible
but amusing
 
12:12 PM
having a sticky "A" key is kinda annoying in CS but it's super, super bad in KSP...
 
welp Berlin was way too hot for my taste
 
Hello, C++ Developers.
I need some tiny help, I am a newbie to C++.
I'm wondering, how would I connect to MySQL via C++ to develop a Console Application?
 
@HassanAlthaf have you tried reading the documentation, this would seem to be a common scenario
 
It doesn't make sense to me.
Well, URL?
 
then nothing we say here will make sense to you either
 
I suggest you take the time to understand the documentation first
 
@HassanAlthaf that's hardly a task for a newbie
try making a simple calculator
 
if you have question about the documentation you can ask on StackOverflow
 
Bartek.
I did.
A text-based one.
-.-
Something better?
 
see then you're not a total newbie
 
12:23 PM
I'm aware of OOP stuff.
 
"oop stuff" is meaningless
 
OOP Syntax.
 
C++ is not OOP btw... but that's a different discussion
 
I mean
 
also meaningless
 
12:24 PM
OOP concepts.
classes, etc.
 
@HassanAlthaf just google "mysql c++"
 
lol guys, calm down.
 
Found this at last!
I did @BartekBanachewicz
 
@HassanAlthaf well then, have you ran it?
 
Now, I'm trying to know
Where to put the downloaded includes
My IDE is Dev-C++
 
12:25 PM
okey change the IDE first
 
Ok, what IDE should I download?
 
then I suggest creating a "lib" folder
that's what I do
 
Wait, is it in the folder of
Where the application source is?
 
I have all my projects under C:/PROJECTS and libs under C:/DEV
those are fast to type by hand if needed
 
Bartek
Can ya do me a favour?
 
12:26 PM
depends
 
Can you help me to setup a proper development envioronment.
 
no.
 
Shit. My flatmates broke up.
 
well okay "proper" is a subjective word.
 
With a proper IDE, etc?
 
12:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ow.
 
You see, my IDE is also shit.
3
 
@HassanAlthaf I personally use MSVC 2013 Ultimate with the aformentioned folder structure.
 
that sounds like a problem that you ought to get on fixing right away.
 
Ok, I'll download immediately.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh oh. Does that mean they'll try to go to separate places?
 
12:27 PM
@HassanAlthaf you'll need the Express edition if you're not a student
Ultimate is costly.
 
user3010322
Also, that's gonna suck just in general.
 
or if you mind acquiring it from torrent sites.
 
There is something called pirating?
 
which most people don't.
 
@HassanAlthaf I wouldn't bother. Just download the Express (fully free) for now and see if you like it.
For C++ you won't see that much of a difference, at least at the beginning.
 
12:28 PM
Ikr.
 
you obviously don't, else why would you be asking here?
 
MSVS isn't particularly great but it's certainly better than Dev-C++, even the new version
and has an added benefit of a lot of people coping with its idiosyncracies that can help
Another added benefit is an easy transition to C# once you realize you actually want to be productive.
 
I can code in C#.
But I didn't move on further with it.
Many of my experienced colleagues suggested that C# isn't going to be good.
They said me to go for Java or C++.
I thought of going for C++.
 
@HassanAlthaf C# is much better than Java as of 2014-07-19
 
@HassanAlthaf Hahahahaha what
 
12:31 PM
I don't know man.
They said, every C# application you make, requires people to download .NET Framework.
 
99% of Windows users have it installed
 
@ThePhD One of them moved out. It's gonna suck so much. Especially since they're both good friends of mine now. Living with one of the two is gonna be so awkward. And they have a two-year-old kid :(
 
windows comes with it preinstalled nowadays too
 
@HassanAlthaf not since windows vista
XP you did... but not any more recently than that
 
user3010322
Turns out I can make pretty good outlines... but I need to control the stencil buffer. This kind of sucks.
 
12:32 PM
And you can make Multi platform apps.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wat.
 
most people have it installed via windows update
 
In Java
 
user3010322
The kid part is a blindside...
 
But I thought Mono can be used for C# Windows to Linux
 
12:33 PM
@HassanAlthaf you can do multi-platform apps in C# too
 
user3010322
Well, in the end, it may be better if they're not together.
 
@HassanAlthaf And Unity for gamedev on various platforms too
 
But, I am wondering.
Java, C++ or C#?
 
I learned my OOP in PHP.
 
12:33 PM
@HassanAlthaf it can if the developer didn't do anything stupid and keeps it compatible
 
user3010322
C++ and C#.
 
user3010322
Is enough hell for one lifetime.
 
but that's really a question of "what do you want to do"
 
PHP barfs
 
Bartek.
 
user3010322
12:34 PM
@Borgleader What are you doing today? :D
 
C# is fast enough for a lot of tasks only C was able to perform a few years back
 
@ThePhD Writing an obj loader
 
I want to first learn a language, which would increase my knowledge in Programming, and make it easier for me to learn new OOP languages.
 
sortof
 
and it's much more convenient
 
user3010322
12:34 PM
Sortof?
 
@HassanAlthaf Then I'd still go for C#.
 
@HassanAlthaf That requires defining what OOP is, and virtually every language has a very different idea.
 
Only use C++ if you have no other way.
 
@ThePhD well it wont load all obj files, just the features i need, ill pretty much assume it was exported with blender
 
user3010322
Always use C++ all the time and pretend MSVC doesn't exist.
 
12:34 PM
Why are you guys making me hate C++?
 
you can't just switch between two languages just because they both have the class keyword.
 
@HassanAlthaf you make it sound like you know OOP, I suggest learning DDD, or BDD first
 
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@Borgleader Supporting the whole OBJ language isn't terrifically hard.
 
@HassanAlthaf Because it's not a particularly convenient programming language nowadays
 
there are no (non-experimental) languages that are like C++.
 
12:35 PM
@ThePhD dont feel like doing it anyway
 
you can't just learn C++ and then flip to C# as if you'd been doing C# all that time.
 
Guys, calm down, I can't read so many messages at once.
Ok, ok, before doing shit, I want to get advice.
 
You're getting tons of advice it would seem.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Hm. Well, the only thing I can think you can "drop" from the spec is material statements... and maybe also texture coordinates?
 
I'm a PHP guy, and I have been learning PHP all this time.
Now, I want to learn how to develop softwares.
 
12:36 PM
PHP is the worst language invented by man, and I say invented rather than designed because even the creators admit that it was not designed, they just hacked it together until it seemed to work.
 
(Oh come on.. I'm just 14).
 
user3010322
The rest you'll need. ... But to get at those, you'll need to read the texture coordinates anyways!
 
@Puppy you want me to use that stupid ASP.NET then?
 
user3010322
There's things like Smoothing Groups, but you can pretty decently ignore smoothing groups.
 
12:37 PM
@HassanAlthaf ASP.NET is hardly the pinnacle of programming, but it's a thousand miles ahead of PHP.
 
@ThePhD Well for now all i ported over was triangles so thats the only thing im going to code. so no curves, no polygones, no free form geometry, no materials no uvs etc
 
at least the creators heard of "types" and actually have some vague idea that maybe they're a good thing.
 
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@HassanAlthaf You might be able to write a program in C++ when you’re 25.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader OBJs can do patches?
 
from time to time.
 
user3010322
12:37 PM
... Oh right, OBJs can do patches.
 
@ThePhD yep
 
@rightfold dude, I can understand stuff. I work day and night to understand things.
 
while we're at it
 
does anyone want to update his score?
 
12:38 PM
I'm a programming nerd. I just love coding.
 
I'll certainly update some of mine
 
@HassanAlthaf There's a big difference between that and C++.
 
Ok, to develop Windows applications (for now), what programming language would you guys suggest me?
 
@HassanAlthaf MVC3+ for ASP.net doesn't suck
@HassanAlthaf C#
 
depends on what you want to do in that application.
 
12:38 PM
Puppy
I want to code applications like..
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Welp, I definitely don't support the whole thing. :D
 
Administration Applications
 
user1804599
@HassanAlthaf F#.
 
ffs, another language.
 
user3010322
Just materials and vertices and smoothing groups. :D
 
12:39 PM
ignore rightfold
 
he's pretty much just intentionally trolling you
 
@HassanAlthaf ignore that, that's FP.
 
user1804599
@Puppy Uh, I’m not.
 
user1804599
F# is way more fun than C#.
 
12:39 PM
@HassanAlthaf a good developer should be able to pick up a new language quickly, it's just a matter of concepts
 
@Mgetz I know.
 
like I said, he's pretty much just intentionally trolling you.
 
also F# is awesome
 
@Mgetz That's bullshit.
 
@Mgetz Unless that language is Prolog... >.>
 
12:40 PM
It took me 2 years to learn and figure out HTML, CSS. (come on it was my first language).
 
just mindbending the first time you have to wrap your head around functional programming
 
you can't pick random dev A and pick random language B and have dev A be proficient in language B in a couple weeks.
 
heh wat @Ell rated Haskell at -60%
 
"concepts" being only the most important everything, ever.
 
I understand Puppy.
 
12:40 PM
maybe we should just screw the results and make the new one
what do you think
 
I'm patient enough to learn it and take upto more than a year.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I’d rate the language at 100% and the ecosystem at -100%
 
well
 
Do we want another language awesomeness poll to compare with the previous one?
3
 
user1804599
12:41 PM
No.
 
for C++, you typically have to have either a special need, or just be a special person.
 
I undoed my changes
 
and you definitely don't seem to have a special need.
 
Wtf is that. @Borgleader
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz undid
 
user3010322
12:42 PM
@HassanAlthaf Mouse over a message, click the arrow on the far right of the message to form a direct response.
 
Also added a new blank spreadsheet
 
user1804599
@ThePhD inb4 :effort:
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Not useful without a hyperlink.
 
@Puppy like you suggested me C#,
 
sure.
 
user1804599
12:43 PM
Try functional programming as early as possible.
 
it'll be a lot easier to get going with and the existing libraries are a lot more friendly towards what you want to do.
 
I wanna use MySQL.
And develop apps in mySQL
 
why on earth would you want to put yourself through that pain.
 
Idk, im in love with it
 
hm
 
user1804599
12:44 PM
Try PostgreSQL instead.
 
in that case I'd probably start by looking into the mirror.
 
@rightfold use the previous hyperlink
 
so, if I create a mysql website
 
you all can edit now
 
I can even use a mysql software for it
 
12:44 PM
I wanna use MongoDB but I can't compile their fucking C++ driver T_T
 
please don't wreak havoc
 
seems to me like you can't recognize what's good and what's bad.
 
@HassanAlthaf btw MySQL is crap
 
For me its gold
 
not something to be ashamed of when you're just 14 but you know
 
12:44 PM
@HassanAlthaf you don't
@HassanAlthaf you just don't know how bad it is yet.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ok, you guys are confusing me.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Add Scala. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which is what exactly?
 
oakydoaky.
 
12:45 PM
I dunno if I should just replace bash with scala
well okay let's try adding
don't shout if I break something
 
Guys.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Make me a row D: plz
 
Omg, this is gettin on my nerves.
 
the average column is broken.
everybody has -100% average.
 
@Borgleader will do
 
12:48 PM
C#? Java? C++?
1 - 0 - 0
Please suggest.
 
you should really be able to pick a language on your own
 
@Puppy fixed
 
I did pick C++.
 
if you can't then you have bigger problems than not knowing any of the above.
@HassanAlthaf Which just tells you that you can't make good choices :P
 
C++ is for professional gaming development.
C# is for idk what, app.
Java is for Android apps mainly.
 
user1804599
12:49 PM
I have used all those languages except Lua. :|
 
user1804599
Maybe I should try Lua.
 
C++ is not for professional gaming development at all.
 
Then what.
 
professional game developers write shit code and they do so in a multitude of languages.
 
@HassanAlthaf no. those are stereotypes
 
12:50 PM
Java and C# are both used for lots of kinds of apps on lots of platforms.
 
user1804599
«Android» is a stereotype.
 
@Borgleader done
 
@BartekBanachewicz Blogreader
Hahahaha
 
user1804599
Ugh SourceForge.
 
12:53 PM
Lounge it!
:)
 
fuck conditional formatting is broken
hey @Vaclav wanna have some fun?
I can create a row for you too
what the fuck
 
mine wasnt showing % =/
 
apparently I have an 0% spread.
 
@HassanAlthaf lol
 
@Borgleader you have to enter them manuall
 
12:55 PM
ah
 
> manuall
 
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't have to.
 
@Puppy fixed
 
user1804599
Ugh fucking Belgium buienradar.nl
 
there are a few issues with that okay
 
user1804599
12:56 PM
I WANT RAIN TOO ;_;
 
@BartekBanachewicz You also have no blanks, despite clearly having blanks.
 
@rightfold You mean like this?
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Yeah, demolish our dikes please.
 
user1804599
Half of the country would be flooded if you do that.
 
12:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What fun?
 
I wonder if he could normalize to average
@VáclavZeman this fun
 
@rightfold But survivors would freshen themselves.
 
user1804599
 
@Puppy but mostly in C with classes
 
@BartekBanachewicz What is that?
 
user1804599
1:00 PM
I’d live on the beach!
 
@VáclavZeman a language awesomeness poll, 2nd edition
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only if it is <5 minutes to fill. :)
 
@VáclavZeman it is. Added a row for you
well so right now our average average is 23%
we're too negative
 
user1804599
C# best language.
 
last time C++ won
 
1:05 PM
bored
what do
 
user1804599
The longer you work with C++, the worse it gets.
 
user1804599
So it’s quite logical it’s rated worse this time.
 
It was a year ago
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey learn a new programming language.
 
user1804599
1:06 PM
@Jefffrey learn an old programming language.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Done.
 
btw @VáclavZeman 0% means 0 rating, blank is "no experience"
@VáclavZeman thanks :)
 
@rightfold such as?
@BartekBanachewicz how?
 
@Jefffrey first sheet. I'll add a row for you
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Erlang or Scala. :P
 
1:07 PM
I don't remember this guy
 
user1804599
He’s a C# guy.
 
user1804599
He’s almost never here.
 
user1804599
He was just here coincidentally at the time.
 
@Jefffrey rate each language from -100% to 100%. You can leave out the ones you don't know
 
The awesomeness chart is live again, good times!
 
1:09 PM
:)
well that's a new chart.
I wanted to compare the results
 
@BartekBanachewicz This is the new?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where? I can't add rows.
 
@Jefffrey there'a row for you. first sheet
@JohanLarsson it's in the same file, it has two sheets
 
ah, better names now
 
@Johan I guess you can take someone's place
Mooing Duck is not here anymore really
 
1:12 PM
I only know 0.2 languages, can't compare to anything
I think someone trolled c++ 2013
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So now rent is 3/2 more per month?
 
@JohanLarsson no, we just liked it more back then
 
@BartekBanachewicz it is done
 
@Jefffrey I saw you change this 100% to 95%
 
I added TS & F# columns, curious about what people think of them
 
1:20 PM
okey
not a lot of people here using them I suppose, but good call anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, standard library could really be better
 
user1804599
I should write more F# code.
 
same here, been procrastinating for over a year now
 
Have a bunch of empty F# projects
 
1:22 PM
this F# code
 
user1804599
But F# feels so goddamn complicated.
 
user1804599
let, val, member, this. ?_?
 
I can finally show you what I wrote
@rightfold @JohanLarsson request for review
that's where we stopped when pair programming
 
I don't know enough to have an opinion
 
user1804599
Why member val Discard = initiallyDiscardedCard with get instead of member this.Discard = initiallyDiscardedCard?
 
1:25 PM
@rightfold we had a lot of problems with that
also and is annoying as heck
 
user1804599
0
Q: When should I use let, member val and member this. in F#?

rightfoldF# has many different ways to define variables/members in types. When should I use let, member val and member this. in F#, and what is the difference between them? How about static and mutable members?

 
holy fuck brutal doom
so awesome
 
user1804599
How brutal is it on a scale from not brutal to very brutal?
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I don’t mind it.
 
user1804599
I like that definition must come before use.
 
1:36 PM
Ugh it's annoying as fuck
 
Do you use F# much cat?
 
I agree with Cat here
 
I don't use F#
I also don't use single-pass compilers
 
1:55 PM
@Rapptz been there
 
@rightfold it throws an out of range exception
because it's > very brutal
doom is such a fucking good game, and I mean good
aside from the outdated graphics, with just a few more blood and dismemberment effects and stuff, the game still feels actual and playable
after all this time
 
@BartekBanachewicz What? Why did Java did so poorly?
 
I preferred Duke3D
 
I mean, it's not an awesome language, but compare it to PHP? Come on.
 
My values are weird in that thing
How old is that
 

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