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17:00
List of... I guess you can call them persona non grata here.
oh the ministry of shame thing?
I don't touch that
MiniFame is a 1984-esque manipulation me and Etienne came up with.
created on Christmas Day, lolcat
oh for fuck's sake, friends going on holiday to perfect-looking villa in perfect-looking weather, AGAIN
where do they get the time off work and money from
Xeo
Xeo
17:02
aaaaaand it's raining again
downpour
(wishing I hadn't blown through all my SO donations on those yachts, now)
How many SO donations do you get?
yea right
cough
next donation I get I'll spend it on helping you with that cough
17:03
lol
go back to orbit
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tempted to donate now.
no word from recruiters after a week and a day. tosspots. guessing that's a rude "no"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ask and find out
17:06
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That reminds me I have a few rude "no"s to give out to recruiters.
@40two Ah, that bitch.
Oh wait, yeah, those don't require action.
@40two Not really; you could flag it but you're better off waiting for serial downvote reversal. If it isn't enough to hit that threshold, then you can't really fix it by running to a moderator as votes are subjective and you can't prove it's a "revenge" thing.
@TonyTheLion Yeah sent an email earlier
Though I think I have a non-rude one to give out.
but Lightness does not chase up
17:08
I need to make some food, but effort
When I get a message that doesn't look at all as coming from a template it doesn't feel right to not answer even if to say "no, thanks, FUCK FINANCE".
user1804599
You need to do it, so get your ass in the kitchen.
just don't eat anything
that worked fine for me for years.
I don't respond to random recruitment emails at all any more. I learnt that asking them to keep their entry-level £30k pa junior JavaScript roles to themselves and remove me from their lists was entirely ineffective. Actually after a while I started to suspect the personal names of the recruiters weren't even legit. Now I just ignore it all.
I respond to SO careers msgs though, and emails from recruiters who are directly representing specific companies
user1804599
17:13
Gonna allow foo(a, b,).
user1804599
Easier to implement and looks better on multiple lines.
actually, that reminds me, I need to go blow off Facebook Google again
@rightfold Just... die.
Tis the season, I guess.
17:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes Almost everyone I know who can actually code.
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Dubliners come out in full force around this time of year. This one's asking whether anything's changed for me such that I may be interested in humiliating myself in their ridiculous algorithms & data structures pop quizzes, this time around. Nope.
I've been asked by FB, not by Google though.
Google is constantly annoying me.
as if anyone would agree to write C++ for Google
yeah, those fucking rules :(
You're better of writing C then
17:15
no exceptions? no RAII? go to hell
and who wants to write C?
@R.MartinhoFernandes It redirects its searches to you?
lmgtfy.com/?q=robot redirects to someone's SO profile
I'm still not taking it if they change the rules.
no there are a dozen reasons I'm not interested [in applying]
user3010322
17:18
@rubenvb You'd also need to enclose it in parenthesis, based on which operators it's around. You'd also need to cast it to the desirable T, so that you don't take float math and suddenly promote it to long double.
I'm wondering whether if I pretend I'm interested, waste their time and then say 'no' at the last possible moment, and do it repeatedly, they'll put me in some "waste of time" list and stop bothering me.
ooh can I do that
user3010322
So the simple pi*n/d becomes static_cast<T>(pi*n/d)
nah you're not a waste of time
user3010322
Not interested in writing that out a lot of times.
17:18
that grapefruit I just ate was fucking dry
@rightfold i think that foo(a,b,) would make sense
oh look it's the brig rat
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am if I make them go through the interview process repeatedly for naught.
user3284469
Sorry for interruption.
17:19
i wouldn't oppose
Apology not accepted.
user3284469
may I ask a simple question
foo(a,b,) is ugly as fuck. I'd rather you banned it to stop idiots from actually using it
@T..: Yes.
no
@T..: You have now used up your allocation of: 1 simple questions.
@T..: See you next time!
17:20
I like the pluralisation error.
is there a way to find out if a company job is a scam? Tried to google a list of comapany scam jobs.
Thanks :) I worked hard on that
because in other comma-lists cases, a trailing comma is allowed aswell (except in declarations)
lolmysql; if you have:
closed_on         TIMESTAMP -- DEFAULT NULL
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Honestly, permitting the trailing comma is only useful for automatically generated code.
17:20
(and except for base classes, ..)
lol
only way I could think of to make it look automated besides the hard-to-even-fucking-spot code tags
user1804599
@JohannesSchaub-litb I allow trailing commas everywhere comma-separated lists are allowed.
everything is fine, but if you remove -- then it crashes
@Puppy makes sense
@rightfold hmm perhaps that would be ugly
17:21
@Jefffrey -- begins a comment.
@cyberspace009 What kind of scams are we talking about?
user1804599
You don’t have to do it.
They hire you, you move, and they take your kidneys?
user3284469
Are autotools (autoconfig, automake, libtools) and cmake to automatically generate configure.sh and Makefiles?
@ThePhD: I believe you've found the ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP() oddity (which I was taught about at the age of 3 months)
17:21
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, if you uncomment that line it says that it is an invalid default value
user3284469
we will still have to run configure, and make on ourselves, after running autotools or cmake?
@Jefffrey eh no it doesn't
@R.MartinhoFernandes like software engineering job scams. I got a call for a position from simStaff.
@T.. Yes. Don't ask for help here, though: most people have been bitten by those tools and now have a rabid dislike for them.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, it does
> ERROR 1067 (42000): Invalid default value for 'closed_on'
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wha. o.0
That's not what "crashing" means.
user3284469
you guys are nice
@Jefffrey yes, it does
17:23
I don't think there's a common definition of "crash"
as far as crashing software is concerned
user3010322
Has anyone ever had a sickness or illness where....
user3010322
like, everything just hurts?
user3010322
Like, down to the bones.
I think it's because it used to be this:
> DEFAULT NULL is the same as DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP for the first TIMESTAMP column. For any other TIMESTAMP column, DEFAULT NULL is treated as DEFAULT 0.
depth first illness lol
17:24
and that was confusing as shit
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD Yes, it's called a "cold"
:P
TIMESTAMP shouldn't be treated like DATETIME, anyway. It's supposed to be the "row's timestamp". NULL TIMESTAMP makes very little sense.
@Xeo this
@JohannesSchaub-litb nice
@cyberspace009 But what would they scam you for?
user3010322
@Xeo Oh. But there's no runny nose and stuff that usually comes with a cold? I also haven't... just hurt all over with a cold. I know my nose would get sensitive, 'cause I was blowing it so much, but...
Not paying you?
17:25
@ThePhD The runny nose will come later. You're experiencing a slightly more prominent than usual cold. Swelling causes joint aches.
@ThePhD Get ready for hell.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Money stuff. I need to make sure if I decided to take this job. Google came with nothing so maybe its legit.
what about influenza
user3010322
:c
The body is remarkably slow at responding to colds. You end up coughing and spluttering for weeks after the virus has lonnnng gone.
17:26
it usually goes depth first
I've only had a couple of colds in my life that were bad enough for me to stay home for a few days
user3010322
But... but who gets a cold in the middle of summer. ;~;
on selected areas like the joints
user3010322
Even the disease name is misleading.
It's not a disease, and yes the name is misleading.
The temperature has surprisingly little to do with anything.
You've probably got a lot of students come home for summer or something.
17:27
fuck!
I paid 45 scrap for a random weapon and he just took my scrap!
Xeo
Xeo
@Puppy Speaking of scams!
the humidity has a lot to do with it
17:28
I hope I get that shit back when I blow his ass up
45 scrap is a huge amount to lose to a random event
@Puppy ripped off.
user3010322
You know what's terrible? Today's the day where the @Xeo syndrome stopped and I didn't stay wide awake from way too early in the morning. So I can't like, fall asleep early because I will legitimately tire out. Now I have to weather the storm.
user3010322
If I could just sleep through the mess I'd be down with that.
I never try to do those random events. Bad shit happens in that part of the game.
17:29
to ma lack
user3010322
I will cry, this sucks. ;~;
@cyberspace009 Yeah I usually just attack weapons dealers/mercenaries.
but this time I really coulda used an extra weapon and if I got something like a Halberd for 45 scrap it'd be a bargain.
now I lost a big chunk of my pot.
oh deary me
you're really gonna be pissed when you come up against the unfairness of real life
Walking sucks.
I imagine you'd be really pissed if you randomly lost a third of all your money and assets too
17:31
I hate life.
lol
life only lols
@Puppy Yeah, like last year. In real life.
Actually I lost basically all of my savings and went £28k into debt. But, y'know, keep whinging about your game
I don't recall you discussing such a loss
what happened?
Random event.
fucking random events.
17:34
@LightnessRacesinOrbit shit, that sucks
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea, it does.
> The "pointer to void" type can accept a pointer to any object, even though the void type itself is not the universal type but the bottom type.
This is not correct, is it?
void is a unit type?
A defective one, you could say.
Xeo
Xeo
void is a nothing type
a pointer to void is a pointer to the emptiness is your life. That's why you can't dereference it, there's nothing there.
17:38
@Puppy I bought an expensive engagement ring and a house, and went on a £3k holiday.
user1804599
Woo you can now say val Array(_, x, Array(y, z),) if x = { y; };.
Of those, only the house now seems worthwhile.
inb4 no my house didn't only cost £28k
@ParkYoung-Bae looks pretty correct
Xeo
Xeo
> In type theory, a theory within mathematical logic, the bottom type is the type that has no values.
I'll buy it for that price.
Theoretically people should be using char* for pointer-to-any-object
user3010322
17:39
But void* is cooler.
Xeo
Xeo
oh wait, the one I was thinking of was the bottom value - the value that inhabits all types
user3010322
Quick question. buffer_view<void>( some_not_void_pointer, some_not_void_pointer_size );
user3010322
Should I allow that?
why allow buffer_view<void> in the first place?
user3010322
Conceptually, it's a type-erased byte buffer.
user3010322
17:41
sizes and what not get converted to size-in-bytes.
in case you want to have a view into the endless void
ban dat shit
I'm confused now.
Xeo
Xeo
funny, bottom type is the uninhabited type, and bottom value inhabits all types
17:41
@Puppy simple answer: cause ThePhD
@Xeo except the bottom type
OR DOES IT
user3010322
It's a mystery.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy Decided on IO for wide?
Ell
Ell
like how it will be designed
@Ell ISTR that the design I decided upon is based on concepts, so I won't be visiting it again until after that language feature.
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cplusplus.std.copout in Wide. :D
> In C, C++, C#, and Java, void expresses the empty type
à_à
user3010322
It does not.
Ell
Ell
17:44
I think sink/source/filter makes most sense
user3010322
It expresses absolutely nothing.
user3010322
You can instantiate an empty type.
Ell
Ell
Are you going to have a byte type puppy?
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD it's not an empty type then
17:45
'Empty' is ambiguous
@ThePhD A unit type you mean?
user3010322
Unit type... well, yes?
void is bottom or unit or what
@rightfold are you bottom
void is uninhabited
user3010322
Fuck.
user3010322
17:45
This shit's complicated.
@CatPlusPlus Sounds like other types have smurfs living in them or something
fuck this i'll just order pizza
@Ell Probably. It needs to have special semantics w.r.t. aliasing and such so I'll probably have a dedicated byte type.
user1804599
Void must be burninated.
user1804599
What a horrible invention.
17:46
Call it maybe_byte_but_char_but_not_really
_also_is_it_signed
definitely not char.
Call it character and give it attributes like HP/MP
8 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Theoretically people should be using char* for pointer-to-any-object
user1804599
Woo match expressions.
17:47
i thought top is the unit of anything
and bottom is the opposite
so void kinda is like bottom
anyone ever worked for a start up company? I'm really deciding to find work in a start up company.
yes, it is
void models the bottom type
c++ doesnt have a top type
don't know about c++14 type system though
> bottom type
well, arguably, T :D
what does that even mean?
they introduced "placeholder types"
user1804599
17:49
@TonyTheLion It’s the subtype of all types.
@TonyTheLion type theory, my friend. get an education :D
In type theory, a theory within mathematical logic, the bottom type is the type that has no values. It is also called the zero or empty type, and is sometimes denoted with falsum (⊥). A function whose return type is bottom cannot return any value. In the Curry–Howard correspondence, the bottom type corresponds to falsity. Computer science applications The bottom type is a subtype of all types. (However, the converse is not true -- a subtype of all types is not necessarily the bottom type.) It is used to represent the return type of a function that does not return a value: for instance, o...
user1804599
It’s useful for functions that never return.
user1804599
Without bottom type you wouldn’t be able to call them.
Like Scala's Nothing type.
17:49
I don't want to learn type theory tonight
tonyght
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how else could I find out what it was?
By Googling 'bottom type'
:v
the words bottom and top are also used in a constant propagation optimization called SCCP
17:50
@TonyTheLion either you want to learn about it or you don't -.-
return no value. Seems similar to a void function.
@CatPlusPlus too simple
user1804599
@cyberspace009 No.
and model values that are definitely variable (bottom) or are yet unknown (top)
@cyberspace009 never return
A Scala function that has a Nothing return type either goes into an infinite loop or throws an exception.
17:51
@FredOverflow it's for Nothing useful :D
@LightnessRacesinOrbit maybe I just wanted a simple explanation, like the one rightfold gave me. I don't have to go and learn the entirety of type theory.
I see: The bottom type is sometimes confused with the so-called "void type", which is actually a unit type, albeit one with no defined operations.
@TonyTheLion boost::any is near to the top type
Xeo
Xeo
@cyberspace009 void is not a unit type - it has no values
@Xeo got it from the defenition link.
user1804599
17:53
If you have a function f(): Bottom and a function g(x: Int) then you can call g(f()). With something like f(): Unit that wouldn’t be possible since Unit <: Int isn’t true.
an example for a unit type in C++ is nullptr_t
or isn't it?
Xeo
Xeo
or every empty struct / class
user1804599
@JohannesSchaub-litb I like std::tuple<>.
Seems like I missed from chat drama overnight?
I think there was some drama
17:54
did you guys have fun in the chat during the brazil game xD
yea we had "fun"
20 hours ago, by Mysticial
Looks like Germany gave Brazil a pity upvote.
i'm trying to lift myself up out of question ban, any advice?
17:55
@Mysticial not really?
@IGotRoot ask better questions
"zwölfundzwanzig" :D
In C, C++, C#, and Java, void expresses the empty type.
user1804599
@IGotRoot You are banned from asking questions, so please don’t ask questions.
not sure about C
17:57
it should.
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how do i do that, if i can't post any new questions?
user1804599
No idea what LR is but -p lr made the parser generator stop complaining. :v
13 mins ago, by Park Young-Bae
> In C, C++, C#, and Java, void expresses the empty type
@IGotRoot edit the ones you have
@rightfold GLR instead of LALR
17:57
i've done that
i was asking similar but different questions
having your grammar not be LALR(1) machine parsable is a very bad sign, by the way.
the c++ spec has two uses of "void value"
i want the first x elements in an array that satisfy a predicate
if i wanted all of the elements that satisified it then i could use copy_if

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