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23:00
is this some anti theft measure; if it is it only works if the thief is retarded enough to turn the phone off randomly
I'll have to buy some prepaid card so I can call my parents to tell me the code
what a shitty situation
23:14
TIL nobody actually liked Objective-C.
lol really?
damnit y u no onebox :(
@Borgleader https.
@EtiennedeMartel woot :D
you were fast enough that i could fix it
I never understood the Chernobyl etc. panic reactions - nations quitting nuclear power 'cos 4000 deaths etc, when THIS SHIT happens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam

..which did not stop nations pursuing hydroelectric power.
Oh.
This Swift thing is an Apple thing.
That explains all the hype.
Everything finally makes sense again.
Unsurprisingly my spirit code isnt working =/
ill look at the examples again
23:21
Oh.
This Swift thing only works on Apple devices.
How unsurprising.
user3010322
It's fantastic how there's no su or sudo command in windows.
how do you exactly expect that to work on Windows?
user3010322
Elevate the current command prompt after punching in the command?
@Rapptz it's not like it's needed outside of Apple's ecosystem more than it's needed inside of it
@ThePhD user permission in windows is kinda bullshit
you can't really do anything without elevation
user3010322
23:25
Well, since they've locked down Program Files
user3010322
with their hyper-security bullshit
user3010322
Navigating up and down when I'm already an admin is kind of a pain. And I have to throw out my old console buffer / previously typed commands and open a new elevated windows shell.
user3010322
How helpful.
TIL people open the windows shell without elevated permissions
user3010322
That's the default way it runs.
23:27
not for me
user3010322
Lucky you, I guess?
use ConEmu
cmd.exe sucks anyway
> implying conemu doesn't use cmd.exe as shell
I'm not implying that at all.
> unless you use cygwin, in which case you're doomed regardless
> god damn cygwin is a mess =/
user3010322
23:32
Lmao
user3010322
make doesn't create its output directories
user3010322
Who designed this software
user3010322
and why is it so popular
(troll, still WIP, highly undone :P)
also about that swift bullshit
the second I saw it was apple and closed (don't expect portability) I just stopped looking
Direct3D for MS ; Metal for Apple ; OpenGL for Linux? Intel, NVIDIA, your turns to play.
grapics APIs are all the rage these days
user3010322
23:37
Metal ?
user3010322
Da fuck?
I can't be the only one that's so incredibly disgusted by all these companies trying to fracture the market with their own version of X
it doesn't help anyone
It only makes things worse
it just hurts everyone
more APIs to support
user3010322
23:37
There really only needed to be OpenGL and DirectX.
user3010322
And those were the only two APIs that ever needed to be in existence.
s/and DirectX//
user3010322
Keep in mind that DirectX pushed OpenGL to become as good as it is today.
Long live HTML5. \o/
@ThePhD bullshit
23:38
@ThePhD Do you have a source for that? lol
user3010322
And also remember OpenGL was shit compared to D3D for the longest time.
@ThePhD that's true, and AFAIK it's still shit today
user3010322
It's only in recent years that they've reached basically one-to-one feature comparison with each other.
because of fractured extension/driver support
if apple, microsoft and some linux consortium would sit around the table together with the GPU manufacturers and come to a single standard it would be a TON better
user3010322
OpenGL technically is that single standard.
23:40
> It might seem weird – why OpenGL would get such bashing all of a sudden? But this is much better state than some 7 years ago… Back then almost no one cared about OpenGL at all! If people complain, that at least means they do care!
Rant about rants about OpenGL /cc @BartekBanachewicz
(in case you haven't seen it)
@ThePhD AFAIK especially MS has been very hostile towards OpenGL and did everything to stop it being succesful
> There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses. -- Bjarne Stroustrup
for example the standard opengl drivers that ship with windows only support like increidbly old opengl
same principle.
I really really like Rust
they just need to mature up
get better docs
23:41
I don't.
and not fuck up the stdlib
user3010322
@nightcracker That doesn't matter because every GPU manufacturer shipped their OGL drivers alongside... well, their drivers.
@Rapptz why not?
The developers are clearly afraid of typing.
Everything is shortened.
Bugs me too much.
@ThePhD it matters for the gamedevs, because it means they rely on the GPU manufacturers drivers for support
user3010322
23:42
Which is where they should rely?
@Rapptz what is shortened?
@ThePhD the OS
@nightcracker Have you even looked at the language dude?
@Rapptz yes
user3010322
You can send a bug report to the OS but at the end of the day they forward that shit to the GPU manufacturers because even for DirectX, the drivers are written by the actual GPU manufacturers and are delivered in exactly the same way OpenGL drivers are: with the goddamn GPU driver itself.
@nightcracker priv, proc, pub, ref, mod, mut, impl, fn.
I might be missing some
These are all off the top of my head.
23:44
@Rapptz yes, I see no problem with that
user3010322
DirectX isn't implemented on Windows. It's given an API and a standard DLL interface with the headers. The driver is still shipped by the GPU manufacturer.
@nightcracker You're just as bad as they are then.
user3010322
(Hencewhy people say DirectX will always have some overhead: because it does, and goes through the standard OS interface before hitting the low-level drivers).
@Rapptz but you find just because they shorten some names the language bad?
@Rapptz what about the actually interesting concepts, like the value semantics and lifetimes?
C++ already has these interesting concepts.
Why do I care that Rust has them?
23:45
@Rapptz no it doesn't
From my C++ programmer perspective Rust offers me very little.
@Rapptz it doesn't have lifetimes at all
Yes it does.
in Rust you can't have dangling references
it's a syntax error
in C++ you can
Amazing.
Truly revolutionary.
Doesn't change the fact that C++ has lifetimes though.
23:47
it only has lifetimes for automatic variables
that's not what I'm talking about
@Rapptz that's wildy different
Bud I'm not seeing anything in there that I can't do in C++.
You're going to have to try a little bit more to convince me.
@Rapptz of course not
it's all about NOT letting you do things that you can do in C++
(creating dangling references)
Again.
I'm not retarded
I don't make dangling references
There is very little that Rust offers me
If I didn't want dangling references I could use a million other languages that don't have this concept
But no dangling references is not a killer feature or something that I even remotely care about.
I haven't gotten a dangling reference in years.
23:51
it's all about semantics
and ownership of data
it makes memory management easier
I have never had issues with memory management since C++11.
Again, not really buying me much.
basically, with proper lifetimes in Rust you get free move semantics everywhere
because Rust can ensure that it's illegal to use the move-out variable
this is something C++ can't ensure
I'm pretty much convinced you don't know C++11 :v
Honestly I tend to agree with @Rapptz here. Resource management is pretty sound in C++
it's sound iff 1. you know what you're doing 2. you spend the time actually doing it
in Rust it's free and happens automatically
23:54
Sure, types are still shitty, and all the C cruft is bad, but you'd never see anyone sane use raw pointers everywhere like in C code for no good reason.
@nightcracker the problem with the way most C++ programmers write C++ is between the keyboard and the chair.
That said, I like Rust, my main problems with it is the lack of libraries and the fact it keeps changing every other month (which makes it interesting to follow, but absurdly risky to actually use).
I'll probably never use it.
I used v0.9 to play around and didn't like it much
15 mins ago, by nightcracker
they just need to mature up
or was it v0.8, I don't remember.
It was a long time ago.
I still didn't like it.
I do get the appeal of a language not letting you be a complete retard. I get to read students' c++ code sometimes, and you wouldn't imagine the amount of new and delete I see :/
15 mins ago, by nightcracker
and not fuck up the stdlib
23:57
@nightcracker yes, but really, why? What problem does it solve considerably better than C++?
user3010322
@Rapptz Why does your generic makefile use -p in front of the mkdir command?
It creates all parent directories
C++, over the past 20 years has figured ownership pretty well.
and doesn't error
user3010322
That fails for me
23:57
You need sh.exe
user3010322
Oh.
@BenjaminGruenbaum but it still has the old patterns of 20 years before it in it
user3010322
I don't have that.
user3010322
Welp.
@BenjaminGruenbaum and ALL the new stuff requires so. fucking. much. boilerplate
23:58
Not really.
Again, convinced you don't know C++11 at all.
I'm honestly surprised they managed to nail lambda so well
Boilerplate?
@nightcracker it really really isn't
@nightcracker Do you use a language just because it's new or something? This really isn't a very convincing argument.
@nightcracker what boilerplate are you talking about?
23:59
I'm standing in front of 1500 lines of code and I don't see a single new.
@ThePhD It comes with git.
λ where sh.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Git\bin\sh.exe
@BenjaminGruenbaum You use very few std::unique_ptrs then :P
@Rapptz well, there are cool things about Rust like algebraic data types, pattern matching and that sort of stuff.

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