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20:00
yes, nuclear weapons had a decidedly non-zero social impact, but it's certainly not enough to define a new era.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They were crazy about how nuclear power would be the future and all that.
@Xeo I was hoping for something more concise :c. Thanks.
And it was not.
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You can also go with, in this case, Show (a, b) => ..., since tuples are instances of Show if their components are, IIRC
nuclear weapons couldn't do anything you couldn't do with a large fleet of bombers, and industrial powers of the time could certainly produce such fleets
they were symbolic more than anything
20:00
@DeadMG I'm not talking about weapons.
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dunno if that actually works though
@Xeo 99% you're right here
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and it's special, since it only applies to classes with tuple instances
Just like everyone is crazy about how solar is going to change the world. And it won't. It will change energy production.
That's all.
@EtiennedeMartel There was certainly a social impact. But it was nowhere near era-defining. Generation-defining, maybe.
20:02
People's lives will be the same but with electricity of a different colour.
the reality is, nuclear weapons and nuclear power did not deliver all that much.
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@BartekBanachewicz Ah, needs FlexibleContexts
fear is about it
@DeadMG tell that to France :P
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aw. doesn't work
20:02
lol
Actually, that's an important point that shows how unimportant it is.
what nuclear weapons and nuclear power certainly did not do was completely revolutionize the life of every single person on the planet.
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Why aren't constraints transitive through type class instances (i.e., (Show a, Show b) => Show (a, b) making Show (a, b) imply the other two)?
France and Germany are not radically different despite their energy production.
@CatPlusPlus You said earlier that you don't want to develop for W8 because it requires Windows 8.
20:04
the transistor did.
So I said, just install it as a dual boot os
Can someone find me a pdf of that swift ebook?
@DemCodeLines Windows Phone is not Windows 8
And dualbooting is the most idiotic way of doing development
@CatPlusPlus I wasn't sure which one you said that about, W8 or WP8.
Windows Phone is gonna get merged with WinRT. But it still won't be Win8.
20:05
@CatPlusPlus Microsoft and Apple don't leave you a choice.
man
you gotta love that guy who invented the transistor
@EtiennedeMartel Universal Apps tho
where would we all be without that one device
@DeadMG Well, not here, that's for sure.
indeed.
well, arguably, somebody else might well have invented it if he got hit by a truck beforehand
20:06
Cue truck-driving Terminators.
That hyphen is important.
@BenjaminGruenbaum just download it on itunes, it's free
if I get hit by a truck, it's my last will and testament that Cat finishes Wide.
Oh my.
If I get hit by a truck I don't want to see my conduct.
@DemCodeLines I'm reading it on my ipad, no fun
man
today I wanted to make a video or someshit about Wide that I could show people.
but I couldn't quite fix coliru in time :(
So I have to put \(apple) to reference the variable apple?
oh cool, nullable.
@DemCodeLines no, read around it, the `` is for string interpolation
The language doesn't do any type coersion itself
20:09
@DemCodeLines Looks like you can escape expressions. Sort of.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't see how that's really so different to just using +.
C# is getting that, PHP and Ruby have it
@DeadMG Readibility. I use string.Format all the time in C# for that.
Yeah, you guys are right. I forgot that variable is being referenced inside a string
ew.
I hate format strings
20:10
c++ strings suck :/
well
I guess I should do something else somewhat productive and search for jobs or something.
Boo converts string interpolations into chains of StringBuilder calls.
FML!!! WTH!!! S4E04 of Game of Thrones.
@R.MartinhoFernandes most languages do that
I did not expect THAT!.
20:10
Swift is apparently in pre-release condition right now...
so what?
Wide's in pre-release right now.
top left of the page says it
What episode is that?
don't even know what wide is
20:11
loser
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought that was end of s3?
Anyone here watch Silicon Valley on HBO?
Another wedding
Oh sweet, swift has destructuring. Anothing thing I miss in C++
20:14
I implemented some really powerful destructuring in boo but I'm not sure I like it.
@DeadMG If I get hit by a truck, I want a tombstone with a Monad tutorial engraved on it. People will spend hours at my grave.
what's destructuring?
@DeadMG [a,b] = [b,a] or x:xs notation in Haskell, for example
I have the feeling that Wide is gonna have some great support for 1980s features.
20:16
@DeadMG We'd probably be programming on tube machines instead :)
@Václav you mean the thingy with the White Walkers?
Hmm. Seemed pretty boring to me.
Oh cool, closures
@R.MartinhoFernandes If the "thing" you mean the TV series, then yes. But I am referencing the specific episode the currently newest one and its ending.
@EtiennedeMartel I usually find that they simply reference it by another name or I didn't even bother to give it an explicit name.
S04e04 is not the newest one.
20:17
@R.MartinhoFernandes And boring? Then everything in TV must look boring to you, if this does.
Oh...
S4E8.
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@DeadMG (a, b) = some_tuple
Last one. I mistyped the earlier statement.
see? I have that feature.
20:18
Ok, that might be more interesting.
I have two different strings that yield the same CRC32 (as calculated by RtlComputeCrc32). I better go buy a lottery ticket.
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@DeadMG But limited to tuples. Destructuring is for algebraic data types in general
(head:tail) = some_list in Haskell would be another example
meh
@Václav is it the fight between the Mountain and the Viper?
never understood the difference between ADTs and just having tuple and variant.
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20:19
But really, it's only necessary if you have algebraic data types, so eh
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or why I'd care
^^ ahaha
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
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@DeadMG Names
You have std::tuple in C++ - why use a struct anymore? :P
20:20
Ah. Just you wait, then.
More cool stuff coming up.
well
No, wait. CRC32 sucks.
@DeadMG they are really better than concatenation by hand
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope so. :)
I actually already considered giving named data members to tuples, or treating certain kinds of types as tuples, or both.
20:20
@EtiennedeMartel Nuclear power is the future: it will keep the next thousand generations busy worrying about how to protect the environment from the waste we produce.
lol wtf
> You can refer to parameters by number instead of by name
sort([1, 5, 3, 12, 2]) { $0 > $1 }
From the swift book
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@DeadMG Doesn't help for variant - which can't even properly deal with duplicated types
why would you want to put duplicated types in a variant
@BenjaminGruenbaum better than arguments
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uh, because it might actually be different contexts that produce the same type?
and you want to differentiate based on that context?
that's what ADTs allow you to do
20:22
then suggesting that the variant stores that type is bullshit
it really stores a type and a context.
so just make it variant<tuple<int, context1>, tuple<int, context2>>.
@BenjaminGruenbaum what
@Mysticial good answer
@BartekBanachewicz true story
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah so that was that
yeah amazing.
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@DeadMG And that's not awkward at all, compared to data Stuff = Context1 Int | Context2 Int
20:24
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just to name one example, the cold war. Imagine it hadn't remained cold.
@DeadMG wut
@DeadMG because you annotate said types with the actual wrapper
Oh cool, getters and setters
@Xeo I don't really see the difference, except one has a little shorter syntax (always helps when you add core language support)
@Xeo remember that puppy doesn't pattern matching
@Fred what about the cold war?
20:25
because it's just a little shorter syntax
lol, they stole C#'s ?. before it came out with alternative syntax
wait no, it's the same syntax.
Also an imagined dramatic change doesn't really count.
@FredOverflow But it did. There are many technologies or things that might have turned out differently. That does not change the impact they did or did not have.
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@DeadMG Well, considering that you indeed don't have pattern matching, I guess it's close enough for you
Oh cool, it has protocols
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20:28
Welp, time for Japanese
And extension methods
And beer.
I should probably go to sleep, before I engage in another exchange with a radiophobe.
Later.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Another? Who else is?
Is this the best way to override part of Show into another type class?
20:29
@Fred Berlin is teeming with them.
Well, not every phobia is irrational ;)
The one I'm talking about is.
@Jefffrey you take full show and expand it with some more types that are Renderable but aren't show
@BartekBanachewicz what
Meh just newtype whatever you want to override
20:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just to be clear, are you saying nuclear power/nuclear warfare has no negative effects?
I just want to understand your point of view. Wasn't here for the start of the discussion.
@BartekBanachewicz All the types that are Show usually are Renderable and viceversa.
It's irrational because it's impossible to discuss the subject with a radiophobe present.
20:32
Specifically I want to override the behavior of Char, [a] and Map.
well it works.
They always hit on the same old adages and make sure their rock is still over them
For everything else I'm ok with what show provides.
it's not overriding, it's just another typeclass.
That's the logic at least.
20:32
that happens to include default show behaviour.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, we weren't even talking about negative effects. You said nuclear had no impact after all. It's just that I have never seen anybody say that.
@BartekBanachewicz yup
Overlapping/Undecidable is ugly and you suck :v
This is exactly it.
20:33
> uilt in Unreal Engine 4 to demonstrate the kinds of vibrant dynamic scenes and enormous vistas made possible by Metal's order-of-magnitude increases in efficiency.
seriously
Go back and read the discussion again.
I want fucking data
@CatPlusPlus well, newtypeing a Char and lose the ability to simply pass a String sucks even more
where that thing was faster than ES 3+ / 4.4
fucking Apple
Why are you showing a Char anyway
20:34
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where did it start?
@FredOverflow nicked it
@sehe That's not very original.
@CatPlusPlus Because I want to show... a char?
Where Etienne mentioned the 16th century.
Radiophobes will latch onto any mention of nuclear power and lose any coherent thought until they can convince you that nuclear bad.
The data is saved as Char and I need to print it out.
20:36
They won't even let you peacefully discuss the actual issues they so fear
@Scis what do you think about swift?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, so you're saying that nuclear wasn't as radical a change as coal. In the context of industry or whatever that's certainly true.
WebGL on iOS confirmed
fuck yes.
@FredOverflow Society in general, I'd say, and it was nowhere near as radical.
20:38
that irons it out.
Mobile web games in F# go!
I wondered for a while why would people fear radios
Here is how the ecosystem is drawing itself: If we want cross platform: WebGL. If we want perf: Platform specific APIs.
and that guy is spot on as always
@FredOverflow I know
So I guess that answers the question of what @DaveAbrahams has been up to lately?
(you heard it first from me, though!)
@DeadMG Well, some people argue that Chernobyl was the final nail in the coffin of the Soviet union. That would certainly count for a radical social change ;) But I'm not gonna argue in favor or against that.
20:39
@Cat the term originates from radioactivity
> radial social change
People bringing up Chernobyl in discussions about nuclear power have no sense of scale
@FredOverflow That depends on your perspective. I guess if you live in East Ukraine or Crimea right now, you might argue that it wasn't a radical social change.
@CatPlusPlus Chernobyl made Italy quit nuclear power, didn't it?
20:41
yo guys give me a quick opinion
No
@FredOverflow Dunno
@SyntacticFructose C++ sucks
@SyntacticFructose You suck :)
And France build a few more reactors to sell power to Italy.
20:42
@BartekBanachewicz lol
@SyntacticFructose terrible
I should dig up statistics on coal power plant accidents but then again those idiots won't care anyway because NUCLEAR BAD WOOP WOOP
@R.MartinhoFernandes My money is on France for the next major nuclear disaster. Nothing against the French, just statistics ;)
@SyntacticFructose I will not buy this tobacconist.
none of those even remotely answer the question I was about to ask
20:42
Good
but ill take it all into consideration, thanks guy
@SyntacticFructose hehehe
What do you mean, statistics?
> It's official! SHIELD owners can now download Half-Life 2 from Google Play, as well as Portal:
neat.
@R.MartinhoFernandes "power overload" overload
Wait until we discover that ADL rules apply to the resolution of "power". That will lead to some pretty big arguments (lists of them)
20:43
France has the best track record if you look at it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, I should have said probability? It's just that France has lots of reactors.
@Fred yes, and for years they have a perfect track record.
There's far more non-nuclear power plants
Why don't you include their quality in your guesses?
so when is WebGL 2 coming out
geometry shaders.
nao.
20:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes quality is 10/10. I guarantee it.
I didn't know WebGL was gay?
I'm pretty sure I caught WebGL in bed multple times with men
so yea, gay
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Makefiles,cmake and qmake are breaking me. What other build systems exist?
@SyntacticFructose maybe they were just camping? or something..
20:46
Ninja is the best build engine atm, you just need to generate the damn descriptor, but I said that like 10 times already
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:(
I was wondering who are you answering to
and then realization came
@Synt what if WebGL is a woman?
this is a mans world
thats no question
just kidding im not sexist
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are there any indications that French reactors are better than others?
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20:48
Guess I'd better learn python.
@SyntacticFructose brrr. Programmers can be bi
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Or something.
user image
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@BartekBanachewicz so ^ this just happened on my screen
@Fred what does that question mean? That your guess was built on absolute ignorance?
I'll go with "true"
20:49
*it = f(*it2)?*it2:*it OR if(f(*it2)) *it = *it2
I just realized something
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have never seen any evidence that the French nuclear industry does anything in a better way than other countries.
@sehe did I remember to thank you yesterday? Some of the skill you typed here will take a long time to put to use in Sweden. :)
is there any preformance gain or loss with either...
In Swift, the default is to have arguments like in JS, only arguments is called $ lol.
20:50
The answer is yes. Not being afraid of building new reactors is important because new reactors are safer.
shorthand if vs normal if, but there is no else
My guess which ended with a smiley was solely based on the fact that France has more than 50 reactors.
@Fred it's not hard to see it.
@JohanLarsson wut? I'm sorry if I forgot to answer something :|
20:51
@sehe you even googled to try to figure out the question :)
I seem to remember that the French superphenixe has never taken off because it had too many problems. But I haven't followed this up in quite some time.
@JohanLarsson But I didn't. Figure it out :)
also
I have a new great text
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I can't use my filesystem stuff because it's part of my engine...
20:51
@BartekBanachewicz Hangman as a console app is so... console app
That was closed last millennium
TIL there once was a leopard that managed to kill 300 people before being shot.
@sehe what has that image to do with it?
user3010322
Have to iterate files some other way...
20:52
yo guys thanks for answering my question good stuff
is imgur retarded?
just kidding im bitter as fuck now
@BartekBanachewicz it's what I come across on the web
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@Rapptz Gibson shinobi pls
@SyntacticFructose extra points for style. Was there a question?
20:52
No
Also I use statically typed languages which makes me different from animals.
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Goddamnit phone.. gib *
@SyntacticFructose Yes. Profiler will tell you which way in which conditions
hm, this translation needs imperovement
user3010322
This interface really bites.
20:54
@Fred FWIW "I haven't followed this for quite some time" is way too common. At least you are aware of that. Most aren't.
@BartekBanachewicz ah. I get really discouraged with the non-typed-ness (well, statically) of Lua/Love
It seems France has 10 reactors that are from 1990 or newer, the rest is older. Would be interesting to know how exactly the models differ. I always thought there were like 2 or 3 "mile stones" total.
> nil cannot be used with non-optional constants and variables.
Yes yes yes!
no no no
@sehe that can't be.
20:56
Woah one almost interesting thing about that language
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@FredOverflow The Netherlands has too few reactors.
@rightfold Are you also buying from France? ;)
The world has too few reactors
@sehe listen, how do I put this so you won't all kick me out of the room again... Lua might be weird and dynamically typed, but teaching programming using C++ brokenness is cruel.
@NightLifeLover I love a good argument, eloquently expressed. And it fits into a tweet. #drool
20:56
and Love is really intuitive and fun.
Teaching programming is cruel and leads to sad life full of alcohol
@CatPlusPlus I hear you brother :)
@CatPlusPlus doesn't sound too bad
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I wasn't actually teaching programming. I was raising interest. Of course, the little boy had more fun thinking up "impossible" guess-words. And they thoroughly surprised themselves "Mom! There are more than 100 words!" (because they dictated a wordlist of 100 words for random selection of guess words)
@CatPlusPlus It's a good thing I wasn't /taught/ then. Explains I don't drink
20:59
wut there are more than 100?
@EtiennedeMartel boring
@sehe you said you did, stuck figuring.

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