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6:00 PM
ah ok I need to watch some Good TV. he he talk to you later freaks :)
 
This fact brings me one step closer to complete JVM/CLR integration for widec
 
@LewsTherin Sorry, but "Good TV" is a self contradictory. Have fun though.
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Self-contradictory what?
 
6:20 PM
@JerryCoffin how so?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked It is usually used with destructors, which are "executed deterministically" for automatic, global, and static variables and constants, meaning that you know before-hand when they will be called (at the end of the scope, in reverse order of the constructors etc.). This is different from GC languages, where objects are destructed at some point in time that cannot be determined.
@RMartinhoFernandes What's a "made-up word" in this context? An English word made up? A word in some weird language invented for the setting of the book? Do names of places and personae in non-existing languages count? (I'm currently ploughing through Williams' Dragonbone series, and it's almost as fully of those as LotR.)
 
@sbi From the tooltip, I guess all of those count.
 
is it good this Dragonbone?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes So xkcd claims that, the more strange languages and names in these, the better the book? Wow, I have great news for you, Mr. Paolini.
 
@sbi You're not reading it right.
The probability the book is good declines as the number of made-up words increases.
 
sbi
6:29 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. Lemme look again.
Yeah, you are right. Is that why he excluded Tolkien? Because he got it right despite?
 
Yes, according to Randall, Tolkien and Carroll are exceptions. Anyone else gets a budget of 5 made-up words.
 
sbi
But Anathem was good. (Although way too long.)
 
What? 5 made up words? What the hell
 
sbi
@LewsTherin If you like classic Fantasy, with different human people, elves, made-up languages, clear-cut good and evil sides, scullions turned knights and princesses surviving for months on the road, then it is good.
 
Well, obviously the comic is biased by the personal preferences of Randall.
 
6:33 PM
Can someone tell me how good tv is contradictory
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes No!? I would never have thought!
 
But I think he still has a point.
 
@sbi yeah but not all of them are good though :)
 
sbi
@LewsTherin I am living without a TV since ~1990. Once in a while, when I visit people who have a TV at home, I happen to watch TV. Sometimes, when I am at my mother's, I search the schedule for something I might be interested in. There rarely ever is anything, though. Most of it is just bullshit. And it got worse in the last 20 years. And last time I compared (early 90s), American TV was much worse than German TV.
@LewsTherin What are you referring to?
 
@sbi there are some good tv. Either hard to find or some retard cancels it. Watch Fringe and tell me that's not good tv. But you are right, there is very little of it.
@sbi I can't particularly say because I have never picked up a crap fantasy book yet. Before buying/borrowing I check it thoroughly, so far it hasn't failed me.
 
6:37 PM
Stackoverflow took place over TV :P
 
@MrAnubis stackoverflow is too addictive it is wrong...
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes He has, but a rather weak one, if you ask me. I mean, making a such a blanket statement across all of fiction, from Fantasy through SF through Crime and whatnot, is clearly way over the top. And he starts out excluding the foundations of High Fantasy, and smirks at a recent Fantasy book I considered not bad. No, that is definitely a very weak point he makes there.
 
@sbi but the best fantasy books I have read involving elves, dwarves and the likes are the series by Robert E. Feist. I intend to start the The Shannara series soon
 
@LewsTherin what is wrong?
 
@MrAnubis stackoverflow's addiction. I rarely chat on facebook anymore lol
 
sbi
6:41 PM
@LewsTherin I dunno what Fringe is and I don't feel like I want to find out. FWIW, for some strange reasons I have drilled through all seasons of Lost (in a few weeks), which is usually regarded as one of the better broadcasts, and looking back it is an experience I could well have done without.
 
@sbi Who suckered you into watching that?
 
sbi
@LewsTherin Will you please learn to properly link to whatever you are referring to? I have no idea what this means.
 
I wouldn't recommend Lost to anyone.
 
@sbi never watched Lost and don't think I'd like it, but Fringe is just awesome.
 
@sbi He always does that lol
 
6:42 PM
Ok, maybe my enemies, but I don't think I have any.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes As I said, the circumstances were rather strange.
 
@sbi what do you want me to link to? lol
 
sbi
@LewsTherin What you are referring to.
 
lol
 
The book I am referring to? I checked the reply to the message and I wasn't referring to anything..
 
6:44 PM
@LewsTherin pr0n
 
@MrAnubis redtube or youpr0n? :D
 
sbi
@LewsTherin Sigh. I want you to link your messages that are replies to messages of others to those other messages, just as I do.
 
A prawn is one of those alien thingies from District 9.
 
Interesting Tad Williams, always see that in the library but never glanced at it. @sbi oops sorry
 
6:46 PM
evening chickens
what does this Sunday evening bring?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes pr0n not prawn! xD. Is District 9 good?
 
What's with everyone greeting with insults now?
 
sbi
Sep 27 at 10:51, by sbi
@cHao You might want to read the newbie hints, linked from the right. (I wish I had a button in the chat window that posts this message.)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes everybody? AFAIK, I'm the only one doing that?!!!
 
@TonyTheLion @DeadMG uses "hai nubs" or something.
 
6:47 PM
@LewsTherin district 9 , my lappy is costly nor i'd have broken it after watching that movie
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh lol, are you offended?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes And someone else uses "Babies", right?
 
@sbi "Babes".
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess when you are a lion, everyone else is pretty chicken-like.
 
@TonyTheLion Oh no, don't worry about that.
 
6:48 PM
@sbi hahah :P
 
@MrAnubis lol! Glad I didn't waste bandwidth then
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not worried, I just wanted to know if you were offended.
 
6:49 PM
I could have said "Evening everybody" but that's so everyday and normal, so I thought I'd make it chickens instead
 
So, you watch this, and then you add a bunch of gunfights and explosions. That's District 9.
 
for shits and giggles :P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes the video has been removed by user , you did it?
 
Damn, removed.
 
6:50 PM
@MrAnubis Here:
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Don't you usually ask what's up, down, new, or deleted, or something like this?
 
"What's deleted?" lol
 
lol
 
ha ha
maybe he meant what's old?
 
@sbi that got boring, cause I always get the same reply, so have to change
@sbi woah, that's scary
What's lulz?
 
sbi
6:52 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, the guy shrieks rather meekly.
@TonyTheLion An abomination of the English language.
 
It's scary for both parties, I guess.
 
I wouldn't wanna be attacked by a Lion, even though I'm a lion on here
I was once on a Safari in South Africa and we had some Lions close by, and one of them started growling, I can assure you, that you can feel that roar going through your body. Damn pretty intense
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I believe that. You can check that feeling in any zoo, after all.
 
@sbi True, but I've rarely heard a Lion roar in a Zoo
in a Zoo they are not in their natural habitat, and in the African savannah they are.
 
And in the savannah you're "naked".
 
6:56 PM
lol
 
In the zoo, you're wearing a fence.
 
@TonyTheLion you should've used "we" rather than "they"
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes That doesn't change "that you can feel that roar going through your body" a bit at all.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yes somewhat. I once slept in a camp which was in the middle of the game reserve (had Lions) and a guard was required to take you back and forth from your bedroom (hut type things) at night, guard was always armed with a rifle. Woke up one morning to hear the Lions in the distance. Interesting exprerience
@MrAnubis lol
 
sbi
@MrAnubis That was a rather strong video to watch.
 
6:58 PM
and now you all know my African adventures, lol
 
@sbi did you watch it ? , i never saw it , just pasted the link lol
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Yes, I did. Urgh.
 
lol
@sbi lesson learned :P
 
I can't or don't want see human death , i get scared usually
 
I thought humans tasted badly.
 
sbi
7:01 PM
@MrAnubis I guess it's time for the classic My-safari-account joke: "And suddenly, right before us, the abyss yawned!" "Did it already yawn before you arrived there?"
 
I don't get it.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes His account of the safari is rather boring, inspiring yawns from the audience.
 
aah
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I remember reading accounts from people who, in historical times, used to eat humans, and this is not what I remember them saying about the issue.
 
7:04 PM
but i've seen this one ( not for faint hearts like me )
 
> "Too few or not enough names"
I wonder what state I was in when I wrote that assert message.
 
> 71 likes, 29 dislikes
Hm.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes there is nothing to like that video
 
... Is this the general lounge or room for c++ talk!? From the title, just not sure!?
 
Oct 2 at 16:33, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints. Thank you.
 
7:06 PM
@WilliamHilsum yes indeed
 
@sbi you talking about my account?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes @MrAnubis Fair enough! The content of the room always made me think general chat, but, stared messages generally made me think programming... and silly me for not seeing the newbie hints! Thanks
 
I think we never chatted about rock'n'roll though.
Cannibal Holocaust is a 1980 Italian horror film directed by Ruggero Deodato from a screenplay by Gianfranco Clerici. Filmed in the Amazon Rainforest and dealing with indigenous tribes, it was cast mostly with United States actors and filmed in English to achieve wider distribution. Francesca Ciardi and Luca Barbareschi were among the leads as native Italian speakers to qualify the film as European for distribution on the continent. The film reportedly grossed $200,000 worldwide at the Box Office. Cannibal Holocaust achieved notoriety because its graphic violence aroused a great deal of...
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion No, I didn't. Sigh. maybe posting that joke wasn't a good idea after all.
 
> The original controversy that surrounded the film's release was the belief that Cannibal Holocaust was an actual snuff film, or that the actors were murdered in order to film their deaths for the movie.
 
7:10 PM
@sbi oh ok
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's not rock-and-roll at all!
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Well, once we're at horror stories of beasts devouring humans, you will have to look at this one: youtube.com/watch?v=8wGbCNDw-m0. (I find the name of the bear rather funny, BTW.)
@RMartinhoFernandes If this was indeed referring to music, then we have talked about rock'n'roll here before. For example, @Alf regularly posts links to videos of classic rock songs.
 
@sbi Oh, maybe I don't really know what rock'n'roll means.
 
sbi
I guess everybody is watching the polar bear movie now. Or why is the room suddenly dead?
@RMartinhoFernandes Are you pulling my leg? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock%27n%27roll
 
> The term "rock and roll" now has at least two different meanings, both in common usage. The American Heritage Dictionary and the Merriam-Webster Dictionary both define rock and roll as synonymous with rock music. Encyclopaedia Britannica, on the other hand, regards it as the music that originated in the mid-1950s and later evolved "into the more encompassing international style known as rock music."
Apparently I use the Encyclopaedia Britannica meaning.
 
sbi
7:21 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, OK. I was always wondering about this. Thanks for digging it out!
 
It was on the wikipedia article you linked to.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes so how is your job hunt going?
 
I haven't hunted much lately.
 
oh...
just been working on other things, or not ready for a new commitment yet?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I hadn't read even the first sentence. :)
 
7:24 PM
@TonyTheLion I've been enjoying not having a thing to do too much, I guess.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hehe, I know how you feel :P
 
But things are getting pretty bleak around these parts now.
Stupid economic crisis or some other excuse.
 
meh, been hearing nothing else lately, fucking economy
or it's the media that's blowing it all up out of proportion again, which only acts to make things worse
 
Nah, here in Portugal, it's for real.
 
oh :(
 
sbi
7:27 PM
In other news, the German Chaos Computer Club analyzed a Trojan put into their hands that is allegedly used by the German police to sniff at computers. And that thing is written so badly, it makes the toenails curl on a hacker novice. There is almost nothing about it yet online in English (except, of course, bit.ly/onJaK9), but it's been the rage of the German online publications for the whole weekend, forcing politicians to make statements about it on a Sunday.
 
damn, well, hope you will find something when you start hunting :)
 
sbi
Oh, and, of course, it's been explicitly forbidden to be used by the police by the German constitutional court.
 
It's like "Ok, we're going to have to make a few sacrifices, but we'll pay all our debts." Tax raises, or something like that. Months later... "Oh, wait, that guy from Madeira has been hiding expenses, so this is actually much worse. Get ready for more sacrifices."
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Didn't you consider coming to Berlin? :)
 
A few weeks later: "Remember those hidden expenses from Madeira? Well, turns out there were even more hidden expenses."
Elections on Madeira were today, and the "hidden expenses guy" was reelected.
 
7:28 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Haven't heard much from Portugal I have to say.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes sounds like stupid to me
 
@sbi that was terrible video
 
> What sort of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.
@TonyTheLion Terry Pratchett explains it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that is so true, it's not even funny
 
If you go by Terry Pratchett then you have to give it to the average voter that the first around that guy was not a known criminal!
(Sorry.)
 
7:32 PM
Well, but now he is a known criminal.
 
@TonyTheLion The complete quote ends with something to the effect of "it's better than an unknown criminal", then it's funny.
 
And there's no innocent until proven guilty crap here: the guy admitted it.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes As always. Great old man. (Currently eating clam chowder, BTW.)
 
this shit
 
sbi
7:34 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Whom are you talking about?
 
The President of the Regional Government of Madeira.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I must have missed that. What about him?
 
What's north?
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus The Arctic.
 
It's a penguin conspiracy.
 
7:36 PM
@sbi He fucked up with our public money.
> An evaluation conducted by the Bank of Portugal of Madeira's accounts showed it failed to report EUR1.1 billion ($1.53 billion) in debt from 2008 to 2010 alone.
(That's short billions, FTR.)
 
sbi
OMG. That is a lot of money to mislay.
 
The guy is a public servant and has something to do with a bank?
 
how can you possibly loose that much money?
scary
 
@LucDanton No, the Bank of Portugal was the entity that found out about it.
 
Well, you buy stuff and don't tell anyone.
 
7:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol, good reasoning there
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, 'account' as a verb weirded me. Wait no it's not a verb. I'm missing context here.
 
@LucDanton There's no "account" as a verb there...
 
Banks are scary entities
you give them your money, to safeguard it, and they still manage to go broke
WTF???
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The Bank left him 'vanish' money out of their accounts?
 
we have the case with Dexia now
 
7:39 PM
An evaluation of (Madeira's accounts) conducted by (the Bank of Portugal) showed (the Regional Government failed to report EUR1.1 billion ($1.53 billion) in debt from 2008 to 2010 alone.)
Makes more sense now?
 
Oh, it's not the Bank of Portugal of Madeira then. Would make a nice name, however nonsensical.
Guess your shit together English language.
 
The bank is the good guy in this story.
 
So he did vanish money under the nose of a bank?
 
No idea how it happened.
But it was the bank that called him out.
 
sbi
7:41 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes That must be a first one.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That guy seems like he's very good at what he does.
 
So, basically, all those financial rescue plans the IMF made and all that, are all wrong now.
Because they missed a big fat cow across the ocean.
 
Was it a polymorphic cow?
 
Well, he managed to somehow twist the thing in his favour for his campaign for the elections. I guess that counts as polymorphic.
It worked.
Getting the fuck out of here is starting to look more and more interesting every day.
 
hola
I have a graph vertex
 
7:48 PM
Fuck out of where?
 
and vertices have outgoing and incoming edges
 
sbi
@eisbaw Congratulations!
 
@DeadMG Portugal.
 
edges are directional, but should know both the head and tail vertex
is there any nice way to let edges know about their tail?
For example
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Like the rest of the world is much better.
 
7:50 PM
one type of vertex, if_statement, always (in my case) have two outgoing edges
 
What's head and tail vertex?
 
ofc. these two edges' tail should always be the if_statement
edges has head and tail
which is of type vertex
 
Head and tail are terms commonly used when referring to lists (functional style lists).
 
but
yes
okay
 
Whats wrong with just vertex* tail?
 
7:52 PM
lets call them src and dest then :)
it's ugly
 
Yeah, I know what you mean now. But I don't see the problem.
 
Cry me a river
 
c'mon
 
Oh, getting poetic now.
 
we can do anything :)
 
7:53 PM
How do you store the graph?
 
this is C++
a controlled mess of pointers
 
Shouldn't be a mess.
 
How the hell else can you let Object A know about Object B except by storing a pointer?
 
Also, why aren't you using Boost.Graph?
 
project should be fairly self-contained
@DeadMG: exactly
 
7:54 PM
Then copy Boost over.
 
but
 
Self-contained doesn't mean reinvent everything, that's just stupid.
 
I just want some nice sugar
to do it for me
 
Right, that's vertex* tail;
 
true, but BGL is not very pretty
 
7:55 PM
And tail->foo.
What's not sweet enough about that?
 
The best I can think of is some sort of edge factory
 
C++ in general is not very pretty.
Don't forget an abstract factory factory singleton manager.
 
Oooh, factories.
 
The functionality you need is that of a pointer
 
How would that solve anything?
 
7:56 PM
Just use it
 
If there's actually something to solve here.
 
okay
 
Whoever has to maintain your code would shoot you for any other solution
 
Unless they are pattern lovers.
In that case, you should shoot them.
 
lol
 
7:57 PM
put differently
 
sbi
Ugh. C++ FUD, again.
 
I have a compromise to resolve your satisfy sense of aesthetics: use std::reference_wrapper<vertex>.
 
Whatever you do with a pattern, you'd just end up emulating a pointer instead
 
If I had A ALOT of members
of some structure/class whatever
and they all needed to know about their parent
 
You would add a foo* parent pointer to each.
 
7:58 PM
would you seriously just manually initialize the members parent pointer?
 
Define manually.
 
Yes
 
damn, that would be ugly code
 
If they need to know about their parent
 
What kind of magic solutions are you expecting? A magic wand that automatically detects the parent?
 
7:59 PM
Which is an inherently ugly requirement
 
@LucDanton: that would be nice, thank you
 

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