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20:08
hmm.
I dislike template argument deduction.
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what
well, the form in C++ gives two totally different meanings to the same syntax.
if you are parsing a function argument's type, you can't just evaluate the type and move on; you'd have to inspect the exact syntax tree and decompose it and pick the pieces apart to figure out if you were supposed to deduce this thing or not.
20:24
@ScarletAmaranth fyi, last episode of Magi was extremely good
@StackedCrooked ain't got no time for Magi : - / still ahven't moved past E1 S2
This is serious stuff.
Quality like that is like once or twice in a decade.
At least concerning the action scenes.
> ghci > :type [1..]
I always live on the edge
20:39
@Jefffrey lol you're still on with [1..]
I'm "relearning" Haskell with the other book
Learning Haskell the dangerous way.
:P
"Real World Haskell"
I have that book.
I want to try both experiences
20:41
But never started reading it..
IIRC Rapptz says it's good
In other news: Obama is visiting Belgium today.
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Fake World Haskell
(don't quote me on that though)
@rightfold Real Moon Haskell
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20:42
@StackedCrooked Why?
@rightfold dunno
@rightfold stuff
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powned.tv/nieuws/binnenland/2014/03/… zo’n droge titel en hashtag
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@StackedCrooked probably because he is in Europe already anyway. :P
I guess.
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Can just as well visit all capitals.
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20:44
Next he’ll go to Paris, then Madrid.
@Jefffrey Rapptz also writes in C++ and enjoys it
Do you think there's a pattern there?
@BartekBanachewicz so do I
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Haskell sucks.
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Oberon ftw.
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20:51
I want a potato salad.
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Also this is yum:
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I still don't understand exactly what I need to do to get this working. I changed the call to showBoard in my MASM file, but I'm not sure how to create a "global function." Do I need a c++ header? Because I tried creating a header file, compiled the c++ program and added the .obj file to my VS project and I'm still getting two errors "DFSAlgorithm.obj : error LNK2011: precompiled object not linked in; image may not run 1>HexAssemblyTest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _printSomething referenced in function _main@0" I'm not sure what I need to do to "link" the obj file. — user3355955 6 hours ago
Oh, my.
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LOL
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SO MUCH FOR MY DSP BEING REALTIME
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20:54
Holy shit it took over 30 seconds to run NO DSPs on 2 minutes of audio.
Hmm...
What can I do with the std::chrono stuff? Can I print durations and time points?
you can use the Standard-provided APIs.
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I want std::chromo.
@DeadMG Your statements is devoid of information.
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And std::homo.
20:55
@VáclavZeman Your question is devoid of sense.
what are you expecting from me, to regurgitate the Standard definition?
go find a reference.
I am looking at draft of C++11. I do not see how I can print any of the values.
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std::domo_kun.
@VáclavZeman Congratulations.
@DeadMG WTF?
I am congratulating you.
20:58
@rightfold perhaps that would discriminate the hetero folks
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They already have std::cin and std::cout (cunt in, cunt out). :<
@rightfold I thought that was cock in, cock out
user1804599
Ah yes, I was confused for a little.
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I really need some food.
21:00
@DeadMG Seriously, what is your problem? I have just asked a normal question.
at least it fits the prefix STD
@VáclavZeman Yes, that is exactly what you did to cause the problem. Does this look like a Q&A to you? There's a giant "ASK QUESTION" button, you know. And it does not lead here.
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@VáclavZeman monthly period.
21:01
@VáclavZeman He doesn't know you're wilx, and habitually treats newcomers like trash.
@VáclavZeman Best simply /ignore
And you, @DeadMG, let this be a lesson...
what, to memorize people's avatars more carefully?
No, to treat everybody like human beings.
As it happens, I haven't refreshed this tab in a while so it still said wilx to me ;)
I guess I will have to ask at SO proper then.
I'd help but I'm off out
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21:02
@DeadMG I wanted to say “dat music” but then I realised it doesn’t really qualify as music.
The puppy was right, though; since you're not going to be able to enjoy a conversation about it here today, you might as well just read the docs instead
Better luck next time ;)
ttyl folks
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/dev/ttyl
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Massively delayed pipe.
alright
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21:12
dat pun
here's another reason template argument deduction grumps me
I kinda feel like it's just a special case of a constraint
I guess I don't see what's so special about "I accept anything as long as it's a std::vector<T>" compared to "I accept anything so long as it's copyable", say.
> Si tu veux, j'peux chier dans ta tasse, ça m'dérangeras pas.
@DeadMG how could it ever deduce "T" if it accepts anything
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same here. I walked to work wearing a thin raincoat over a t-shirt.
hmm
an idea, this gives me.
a template overload set could be an overload set and also a concept.
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21:37
Wow
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This is fucking unacceptable. =[
user3010322
35 seconds of goofing off with just normalizing the data.
Do I understand it correctly that std::chrono::high_resolution_clock is useless when I want to get high resolution wall clock time?
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In most implementations, it's not very high resolution.
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31,148,208
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21:40
31 million bytes
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I feel like I should be able to process it faster than 35 seconds.
user3010322
Ugh, 40 seconds!
depends on the hardware no?
user3010322
WEll, that's the thing. I'm not even using my Raspberry Pi yet.
user3010322
I'm using my beefy i7 Haswell Laptop
21:42
"beefy" "laptop".
user3010322
Well, beefy compared to a Raspberry Pi. :c
well 1MB/s on a Haswell is pretty shit.
@DeadMG that sound good but what does it mean?
What is up with the twitchy starring?
posted on March 25, 2014 by Eric Battalio

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21:47
ow, Facebook are gonna get owned on that one.
@DeadMG How come?
because
as near as I can tell, the Oculus hype machine is just that- just a hype machine.
what's Facebook going to do with Oculus wtf
@DeadMG Why is that?
I can't see this working any better than all the other VR stuff, or motion controls.
it was a fad, only Nintendo could make it work and even then only for one generation.
21:49
Someone's having fun with the star button.
@DeadMG Oh, so it's one of those "it will never catch on" thing.
hmm
more than that, it seems to me like they don't even have an actual product to attempt to catch on to.
Oculus might go to hell yes
it's just a bunch of sweet tech demos and big names.
but VR itself is just the next step in entertainment
@DeadMG They're just the first ones. Of course it's just tech.
21:51
so sooner or later, a company will make something of it
@EtiennedeMartel It's completely unproven in every respect, all past attempts failed miserably, and the sum Facebook has paid is rather large in exchange for a hope that these guys can pull something out.
Nintendo were just the first to do motion controls and we all know how that worked out.
@DeadMG How can you prove that?
Also, the fact that something failed in the past doesn't mean it's gonna fail in the future.
just because it's new and exciting and makes for a nice demo doesn't mean you can really make it work
@DeadMG So? Doesn't mean you should stop working on it.
I'm out, I'm not reading this
21:53
"yeah, it dosn't work now, so let's stop trying and forget about it"
@DeadMG Facebook has been on a spree of paying small fortunes for things of relatively little value
there's a difference between "working on it" and "Bet two billion dollars that this exact incarnation will work".
it's on the same level as that guy who said the Oculus will fail because your roommates will make obscene gestures behind you while you're playing with that on your head
you'd want to see an actual product that actually works that they actually want to bring to market now before spending billions on acquiring it.
well, I would, anyway.
@DeadMG I thought we were talking about VR, and more specifically Oculus' implementation.
21:54
we are
Not about why Facebook paid 2 B$ for it.
well, I said that Facebook would get screwed on it, and it seems like the only way you can get screwed on paying $2B for something is if that something sucks.
well
relatively to $2B, anyway.
@DeadMG Not exactly.
Sometimes, something can be great but still fail.
that would be more like, great in some aspects but fail in others.
@DeadMG Or just bad timing.
21:58
then obviously, it was fail in the aspect of timing.
Many products fail because they launch at a point where the world is not yet ready for it.
@DeadMG Yes, but it has nothing to do with the product itself.
well, that's gonna be tough titties for Facebook if the Rift is genius but Oculus fail at manufacturing it, or the world isn't ready for it, because it doesn't matter which of those scenarios occur, if at least one of them does occur, Facebook ain't gonna get their money back.
@DeadMG I don't think they're really buying Oculus for the Rift. They're buying Oculus for the expertise they've built.
I'm guessing Facebook wants to turn into a gaming platform, like Steam.
So buying gaming related bits and pieces might make sense.
(Although even then I'm not sure)
(Facebook is by far the worst possible option for such a product)
meowing
seems to me like if Oculus is full of experts who think it will work out, and then the Rift blows, they obviously can't be very expert at all.
22:02
Anyway, Morpheus is going to fuck over the Rift.
is that Sony's VR thing?
I dunno
I think VR is just the next gimmick that looks cool that they're trying to peddle because they've forgotten how to make good games for a controller.
@DeadMG Right, so it's just your conservative side talking.
all the console manufacturers are bleeding money and Microsoft have never made a single cent on Xbox, if I recall correctly.
22:07
@DeadMG I'm fairly sure they've made profits on the 360. As Sony did with the PS3.
the hardware costs too much to develop and manufacture, the games cost too much to develop, and the software/publishing stuff is too restrictive, which is why virtually all of the decent gaming action is on PC now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Robots can oversleep? Or was the OS paging and didn't get a chance to context switch him in?
@DeadMG Right, so it's your standard uninformed PC gaming anti-console FUD, then.
Because what you're saying might have been true during the previous generation, but it no longer is.
this generation has only been around for a few months.
it's a bit too early to judge I'll say
> My guess would be that if you diligently scrub the code like this, you will inevitably find your clues. Think of it like you would look for a lost wedding-ring: you wouldn't leave a mess lying around. Instead, you'd go from room to room and tidy it all up. Throw everything "out" first if need be.
22:11
but
Firstly, current gen hardware is virtually identical to PC hardware. Development is basically the same as on PC. It's much easier to develop and publish (any Xbox One unit is a SDK unit, any developer can self-publish on the PS4).
I'll also say that Sony, at least, does seem to be moving in the right direction
and the newer consoles which are x86-based is much smarter
As for the "decent gaming action" thing, it all boils doing to what "decent" means.
Because most gaming is done on mobile these days.
I found mobile games to mostly be the same old same old, personally.
@EtiennedeMartel sounds rather obscene. What does it mean?
22:14
felt like Flash games from 2004
@sehe If you want to, I can shit in your cup, it doesn't bother me.
@DeadMG Which games are you playing?
Ah. chier was even worse than I assumed
@EtiennedeMartel I'll grant you that I stopped being in the mobile game market about when I became sick and therefore not especially mobile, so it was some time ago.
@DeadMG Yeah, well, Unreal runs on iOS and Android now.
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Very Limited Versions of Unreal*
22:21
eh, I downloaded an FPS for my iPod Touch 2nd gen, and frankly, controlling it was a bit of a bitch
but, I mean, I looked at the top free games charts, and it was all just super simple stuff like Connect 4 and Bejeweled.
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Of course.
@DeadMG These days it's Puzzles & Dragons (which is much more complex than you might think) and Candy Crush Saga (which is complete and utter shit).
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If I make a phone game,
I heard that CCS was just another "Make 3 of the same colour" game anyway
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I want to make a tactics-like game. Because then the interface would actually work out nicely with touch.
22:25
I mean, I'm looking at the app store right now, and the #1 free game is "Guess the Emoji".
This happens sometimes with the SE app ^
well
let's be fair here
free PC games also tend to be shite.
@DeadMG It's a Bejeweled clone.
the paid list is still full of retroported PC games and themes. Minecraft, Worms, physics sandbox #42, plants vs zombies, etc.
@DeadMG Yeah, but it's been established by now that indie gaming is not more creative than AAA gaming.
22:28
well
I obviously cannot speak for anyone else, but I'm looking in my Steam games list, and the AAA games there I like are good implementations of existing concepts, and the indie games I like are mostly new, to me at least.
@sehe Nah, I'm just being persistent ;)
Good catch
@DeadMG Indie is supposed to try to see what you can do with gaming. So many indie games are failed experiments.
which is kinda fair enough by me.
AAA games are basically "pick the ideas that work and shove money in them".
22:30
if you buy an indie game that's what you expect
that's why they're cheap :P
let's face it, I paid like, a tenner for KSP, if it was shit I wouldn't have lost much.
I get most of my indie games in Indie Bundles.
If I get one good game out of it, it's worth it.
I bought a bunch of them but hardly played any of them
I actually just plain own a bunch of games I've never played.
Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Antichamber, Batman: Arkham Asylum, BIT.TRIP RUNNER, Braid, CoH, Darksiders, DEFCON, Dota 2 (???), Dustforce, Half-Life: Blue Shift (???), Jamestown... the list goes on.
how the fuck did I end up with HL:BS? (also, what an unfortunate acronym)
aah... Max Payne 1 & 2.
how much more I would play you if you had better autosave features.
and what a letdown MP3 was.
but I personally have found that the quality of indies goes up a lot recently.
22:37
used to be that the only decent indie you could name was Minecraft (and then I'd disagree with you)
Xeo
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ugh
soon: facebook to be renamed to 'skynet'
Markus Persson @notch
We were in talks about maybe bringing a version of Minecraft to Oculus. I just cancelled that deal. Facebook creeps me out.
from Twitter, says whoever posted this
well, here's a link with the news: ign.com/articles/2014/03/25/…
Oculus was crowdfunded right?
and the devs didn't get back with the rewards for the backers yet?
I wonder if Facebook will recognize the crowdfunding bit later on
22:57
I don't know what oculus is
@Xeo Damn, MC VR would have been cool
Xeo
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel sorry, was busy learning Japanese at that time
@AlexM. I thought they did? the first batch of dev kits went out a long time ago
@Borgleader was there nothing extra that was still to be given?
like those high pledge perks
not sure, I saw someone mention this on a forum and thought it was interesting
jesus christ haskell libraries are so irritating
23:04
the basic Raspberry Pi sure is cheap, but it's almost useless without accessories, which pump up the price quite a lot
basic is $58 in Romania but if you add the power supply, an SD card, a case and a WiFi thing, it gets to cost $102
and aside from that I also need a powered USB hub, don't even know what those cost
yup, $25 more
well, at least the guys at the store are nice
someone complained once that they sent him a 4GB card instead of an 8GB one
and they were like "Sorry, we'll send you the right one tomorrow, you can keep the 4GB card as a gift too."
> Tag wiki is not a tutorial. This is the second time I remove the hello world. FFS it wasn't even a valid C++ program. Morons everywhere.
lol
23:40
Australians are dumb as fuck theshovel.com.au/2014/03/25/…
Hi
(That's a joke btw)

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