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13:01
Goat cheese or feta goes well with beets
halloumi?
I only have cheddar, but it is extra-mature.
cheddar goes well with roasted turkey
@telkitty.exe Now I'm getting very hungry. I'm off to check the fridge & freezer.
:D ... goal achieved :p
13:03
Damn I miss cheese. The choices around here are 1) processed cheese food or 2) processed cheese spread
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@Xeo -> :v
@telkitty.exe 403 forbidden
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@Jefffrey solve the halting problem and profit!
@rightfold he he
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13:07
Go's RPC library seems nice.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes that value has practical uses :P
@telkitty.exe Thanks. I'm like very hungry now.
@Morwenn Yeah - Telkitty did that to me too. I have my sandwich now:)
I just ate two Twix and am not eating anything before tonight .___.
@Morwenn you should consult a doctor
13:16
@Morwenn Big night out?
@Jefffrey wasn't that -1/12 :P
@MartinJames Nope, I simply hate to eat alone. Therefore, I eat a little bit and read a lot.
@MartinJames NVidia driver refuses to compile my shaders
13:17
@BartekBanachewicz Wots that? Can you eat it?
@BartekBanachewicz did you ask politely?
WAAAIT
OH FUCK ME
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With pleasure.
Disclaimer it wasn't me who wrote them
I am trying to fix them
but I think I just found the problem :facepalm:
13:18
@BartekBanachewicz I know that pain all too well.
@MartinJames well it's not that bad, I mean we both needed them
so my colleague took that part of the job and wrote them
but did so badly
and now's my take.
pair programming sounds so fun
it's not pair programming
pair programming implies two people near one PC
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix It loses its fun-factor if the other half is dead, beamed up by aliens or working in LA.
ah, so it's more or less like a divorced pair programming
13:22
heh
it's called working in a team
nothing more than that
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix can be pretty fun
@MartinJames I find pair programming becomes a lot more effective in those scenarios ¬_¬
Pair programming is way funnier than Pressure programming that's a fact
Outsourced pair programming… I should hire someone just to tell me to get back to work.
well it still errors
13:25
Teams are fine until you get dropped into one halfway through a project. The other members have, by then, already written their unfriendly, inflexible and/or impossible interfaces.
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@Potatoswatter Get back to work! (Now where's my money?)
@thecoshman LOL!
@Xeo Do it every day for 8-10 hrs/day and we'll talk
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brb, writing chat bot
@MartinJames well even like that, code review is a nice thing to do in team without pair programming. It can be done using pull-request. Yet I worked in a team of two I did 95% of the pull requests and my team-mate never reviewed my code
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13:26
(I'm a programmer after all, so I'm certainly not going to do it myself)
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I think he knows that
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah except some people claims that "pull-request" is useless in a team of 2... I ended up accepting and merging all my pull requests because my teammate wouldn't take time to review my code.
> because in a language that has robot monkey operators (:[]) and Kleisli fish >=>, a rat operator must not be missing.
@Xeo I don't think that counts as pair programming...
13:28
nice summary, thanks.
hmpfh I wish I had time to finish my Haskell/OpenGL pullrequest
I think I need to add a bit more than I did.
@Potatoswatter Pair programming ?
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@Borgleader hahaha
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@ArneMertz I am disappoint :P
@Borgleader Minions were the best part of Despicable Me
golden rule of life: if you have an affair with food, you should share the fun with your friends too :p ... always remember, you can never beat the increasing number of fatties, so why bother - join them!
@Borgleader lol
13:32
@Xeo Looks like a language based on list filtering? @DeadMG might like.
I don't like pair programming. I find it has a tendency to result in disciplinary action or actual fighting.
@Xeo why dissapoint?
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@Potatoswatter wah
@Xeo I must confess, I'm a bit rusty. But it gives him a basic idea that (and how) it is possible and that there are tools out there that have implemented the solution already.
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13:34
@BartekBanachewicz specialize on function pointer type, aka inspecting function arguments :(
@Xeo is that bad?
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How often have Robot, Luc and I amongst others ranted in here about the futility of that approach?
Well I am not sure if I understand the problem correctly here.
Is this only about the fact it's a pointer or about inspecting any functor?
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inspecting any signature
because I found the latter case rather helpful in Lundi
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13:36
overloaded and templated functions say 'fuck you'
and I think @Rapptz went that route too
@Xeo sometimes you can sacrifice overloads/templates for the shorter code you get from guessing signature
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Q: Why isn't it ending?

Number9Your task: To write a program that should obviously terminate, but it never (to the extent of a computer crash) does. Make it look like it should perform a simple task: adding numbers, printing something,... But it just gets caught in an infinite loop. Try to make your program very clear and si...

interesting, especially the most voted answer
@BartekBanachewicz Shorter code from introspective TMP???
@Potatoswatter shorter client code
@BartekBanachewicz Terrain engine in Witcher 3 /cc @ThePhD
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13:38
meh, no time / nerve to discuss the badness of it again
Shorter client patience when you explain to them that overloads aren't allowed.
so you'd rather always type signature by hand?
sec
@Potatoswatter consider this
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, lambda operator() is exempt. But that example doesn't have the user name anything, you simply require that the argument be a lambda.
@Xeo of course they do. And they will always do, no matter what solution you come up with. If you have f(int) and f(double) there is no single answer for "what's the first argument type of f?"
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@ArneMertz exactly, it's a futile question
@Borgleader this holes rendering is kinda complicated :F
@Xeo I told that in my answer, too - a bittle later.
@BartekBanachewicz "Anything worth doing is" - Adria
@Sam old
@Borgleader well I can into tesselation, but I haven't written the terrain gen with it yet. I ported my code to haskell instead :P
13:47
Now it's sunny again...
UGH FUCK I hate backgrounds that launch ads when I click them :/.
@BartekBanachewicz adblock o_O?
You know what you should do in Haskell?
EDSL for shaders.
UGH FUCK my name is bartek
UGH WHAT moan moan moan wah wah wah
MIND BLOWN wtf ffs omg
@EtiennedeMartel Hah, awesome
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean? FX overlay over GLSL? Or a language that compiles to GLSL?
or subset of haskell that compiles to GLSL?
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13:51
EDSL that assembles a shader script
EDSL meaning inside of Haskell
how would that look in code?
@Borgleader pigment maps are great and eez tho
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however you want. it's simply literal haskell code that does some clever stuff to spit out a shader script (think Parsec, or in C++ Spirit / Proto)
WTF is this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22636628/who-is-got-the-best-variables
@Xeo hm
could be funny alright
not sure if useful though
@MartinJames you need to visit an education camp
13:54
-10 in less than 5 minutes.
@EtiennedeMartel at least I had the originality to shop gimp in a nicer background
@BartekBanachewicz I'm almost done with the presentation, and it confirmed one thing. Witcher 3 will be fucking beautiful :D
@sehe It got deleted. There was no definitive answer given, no numbers:(
@Borgleader it will be nice alright.
BTW
did you look at that marching rays algo I've posted here?
because it's like 100x simpler and produces visually attractive images
@MartinJames oh come on, it's a legitimate question!
13:56
I haven't see you post it
@Jefffrey I guess photo/video evidence would have been best.
sample output.
@MartinJames yeah, it probably lacked sufficient information to diagnose the problem
@Jefffrey Can't fix embedded hardware/software without hands-on.
14:00
"I like your variables" goes on my pickup line list.
and then people say computer guys are goddamn nerds
What do you mean?
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol my favorite is "Do you have undefined behavior when strcpy-ing? Because I can totally see us overlapping tonight."
@AlexM. inb4 immediate rejection
14:03
@MartinJames that's part two
@AlexM. You will get null-terminated immediate.
Captain Obvious.
"You're totally my decltype(girl)!"
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@BartekBanachewicz so photorealistic
@rightfold I have to admit, it is good. The fog lingering in the caldera is impressive.
The absolute worst thing that could happen after any computer-related pickup line is that it works.
14:11
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Heh, CppCon
Morning!
ugh, why is git for windows so slow?
@jalf it tries to make you switch to linux
ok, this is insane. It's always slow, but not like this. I'm rebasing some commits and it literally takes around 10 seconds for it to reapply each one
14:18
@BartekBanachewicz I'll do it if you don't!
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what a threat!
Robot's going all out
@jalf I'm guessing 'the git client code on Windows is utter shit', but I may be miles out.
yeah, quite likely
but a computer can do a lot of utter shit in 10 seconds
woo, almost done now!
that's not nerdy.
That's just a guy with a stutter trying to get his gugurglegirlfriend to strstrstrip for him
Nothing to make fun of.
@R.MartinhoFernandes We could do it together :)
@rightfold and yet so simple
@sehe lol
14:30
@MartinJames it's a rather sall caldera isn't it?
@BartekBanachewicz I especially liked the opportunity to suggest by onomatopoeia that she was busy doing other stuff at the time
oh you
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just gotta figure out if there's something interesting to be gained from using Haskell directly
TIL the default java String.substring semantics are pretty cool. [nicodewet.com/2012/10/03/…
        return ((beginIndex == 0) && (endIndex == count)) ? this :
            new String(offset + beginIndex, endIndex - beginIndex, value);
In effect, it's a string_view/string_ref. Rather surprising if the source string is really large and you aren't aware of the substring holding on to the full source data. But, cool for my purpose
ffs, singletons!
Chalk one up for immutability
14:40
Argh!
Hi, pirate?
@sehe yes?
@sehe learn to link
Singletons that depend on singletons and explicitly initialize other singletons :/
> c:\Users\Rob\Documents\CodePlex\caliburnmicro\src\Caliburn.Micro.Silverlight\INP‌​C.cs
Hello there, "Rob"
@jalf sounds like a nightmare
14:49
@TonyTheLion Pretty much, yes
I really really want to rewrite that code, but it would take a while.
And it falls over any time I change even the slightest thing in the surrounding code because of initialization order and stuff
@MartinJames lol
@jalf I recently found a singleton that is inheriting from another singleton. So the base is in fact a not-so-singleton
@EtiennedeMartel This Rob guy is fucked. You know his name. You can do everything now.
@Jefffrey Like ordering a pizza in his name
You can even call him by name
His privacy will never be restored.
14:54
GO GO GADGET BUILD SERVER!
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@BartekBanachewicz render a texture from a picture on a quad from (-1, -1, 0) to (1, 1, 0). :P
@rightfold welp, the texture generation is simple too
@ArneMertz Petite and pretty.
@BartekBanachewicz Some compile-time checking, I'd guess.
@jalf heh, I remember that from one of the first programs I ever wrote, which I also riddled with singletons.
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15:01
@BartekBanachewicz I mean, just draw a picture on the screen. :P
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Photorealistic! So simple!
Arrrrrg. Java Y U NO accumulate
are LCD monitors gone? it seems none of the leading IT shops in Romania sell them anymore
ok this code is goddamn terrible
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@sehe Y U JAVA
15:03
they only have LEDs
@R.MartinhoFernandes compile-time checking of what, again? inputs/outputs?
@MartinJames the only caldera I've seen so far.
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Embed Clojure, use + and profit.
@rightfold come on, even you can understand that algorithm :P
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15:05
It's just std::copy(picture.begin(), picture.end(), screen.begin());.
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uh, fuck that part
I mean the generation
also it's not what you wrote at all but that doesn't matter
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@BartekBanachewicz no shit.
so tesselation stage IO is fucked up as hell in OGL
it seems like they complicated it on purpose really
@BartekBanachewicz I guess.
15:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes similar to that, just more directly in Haskell
Should I tag the C++17 question or
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see any such checking there, though.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes hm yeah perhaps Love2D effects model would fit it better
anyway yeah I like the idea
I just think it should be well-defined what that thing would and would NOT do.
I was thinking of something like the DSL that you get from the LLVM bindings.
My Internet is acting weird
15:17
Though for the LL IR there's a big advantage: SSA maps oh so pretty into do-notation.
@R.MartinhoFernandes so you want full effects written in that, correct?
not haskell + "some stringified glsl computations"
the ability to add prewritten GLSL could be neat anyway, even if for testing only
Mar 1 '12 at 18:39, by Cat Plus Plus
I have a crazy idea. Expressing rendering pipeline as a Haskell expression, and generating Cg/GLSL/possibly software fallback from that.
lol
so is the <insert_project_name_here>-team counting 3 now? :D
15:19
Hell no, it's boring as fuck
but pwetty graphics! :<
and do invert_colors; blur; render; (and perhaps shitload of other cool stuffs that can be expressed that way)
anyway we could use Glisha for the base of it I guess.
@BartekBanachewicz
See my old question for c++14:
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Q: c++14 or c++1y?

MorwennI was reading topics with the tag c++1y on StackOverflow which could independantly represent the planned c++14 or c++17 and happened to notice that one of the topics tagged c++1y was about a feature that just got accepted in the c++14 draft, so its version should be fixed. I thought about changi...

@BartekBanachewicz since it's not completely secure that it will come out as C++17 - the tags will get merged anyways I guess
I answered that?
You did.
15:24
too drunk to remember?
also, C++14 is finalised, it needs to be approved by ISO etc but I think it's pretty much done.
@ArneMertz I'm not sure that the tags will be merged since some questions actually belong to some features that won't make it before C++17 or later.
let's call it
At least, it will require some work...
Tag merging doesn't make sense.
Only manual (and not robotic) retagging.
just create a tag and make it a synonym of the older tag
15:27
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't try to weasel out of it!
@Morwenn well, then some edit-badge hungry guys will go through it and update the questions to bear either the or some further
I have Taxonomist for btw. Just gloating.
@ArneMertz Good idea, I still have such a badge to earn.
I wanna make the tag
15:28
Prolly too late.
ugh
maybe
all I want is a good night's sleep for once
@Rapptz You'll at least be the 3rd of 4th to create it.
It has already been created and deleted a few times.
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope, just searched for it and it came out empty
15:29
oh wait I remember now
Tomalak made it
@Rapptz go for it :D
@rightfold Because work
@R.MartinhoFernandes woot. quite a nice badge
@Rapptz Hmm, WG21 website doesn't mention a FDIS.
@R.MartinhoFernandes incidentally my current task at work isn't really that different from that. It could be interesting to see how it could be done in Haskell and possibly I could steal some ideas and improve our GLSL test codegen here :)
That reminds me: time to do some routine policing of the tag wikis. See what kind of crap morons have been putting there.
15:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes The C++14 draft that was linked here earlier is password locked because it's being sent to approval no?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Seriously?
yup the file is still locked
@Rapptz Ah. I guess they were careful not to make the same mistake this time, then.
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, my awesomeness has no bounds.
Ok, not too much crap this time. Only the return of tag-markup loonies.
what's wrong with this cool formatting?
everyone knows it improves readability.
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Lounge<C++> is definitely NSFW. — Morwenn Jul 4 '13 at 9:11
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15:35
lol
@Rapptz It's actually slightly less awful in chat
btw @Mysticial is 2nd top answerer
yeah it is
lol
15:37
lol
> The Intel compiler can generate highly optimized code for Intel processors on Windows, Linux and Mac.
ugh @NicolBolas wasn't here since september :(
maybe I should email him
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiit
too much bias?
and ask him if he's ok
15:37
That wasn't even a proper hello world.
#include <iostream.h>
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lawl
yeah it's pretty fucking terrible
and why the fuck does he use the .h version
lol
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main() :D
15:37
no return type on main or namespaces
Morons everywhere
@Rapptz and for other processors too, uh
> Arne Mertz reviewed this 4 hours ago: Approve
@ArneMertz I am so dissapoint
@R.MartinhoFernandes And the std:: is lacking.
15:38
@Morwenn no need with the *.h version (doesn't change the fact it's HORRID)
@BartekBanachewicz ou hell didnt see the .h
@ArneMertz he also has no return type from main, I mean wtf were you thinking
That's pretty horrible whatsoever.
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hahaha, that Chandrayya guy answered a mere 2 C++ questions, and is a Java guy
@ArneMertz You were the chosen one :(
You could have eradicated it!
15:40
@Rapptz yeah I could. shame on me... crawls into a corner
also explicit return 0;
@ScarletAmaranth .h version doesn't exist.
main.cpp:1:22: fatal error: iostream.h: No such file or directory
 #include <iostream.h>
                      ^
huh, my bad then!
15:41
Specific revision links are crap.
I thought the *.h versions have stripped the namespace
not sure where I got that from
@ScarletAmaranth There is no *.h, that's only for the C compatiblity headers.
somebody needs to create a parallel website + firefox extension to pin a fraud medal on authors of such bad code; so you can avoid reading any answer or comment by them
15:42
@DeadMG ah, alright, finally someone actually being useful rather than just stating it doesn't exist :)
@DanielKO Like RES?
hmpfh
I don't want to sit here anymore
Ha, lol, he adding Intel info about C++14 support and nothing else.
everybody went home
15:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes 1. I think the wording on the Intel compiler could be improved (atm it glorifies it). 2. If we keep the C++14 thing we need to add the links to other compilers.
Yeah, just noticed it was the same person that made both edits.
<!-- if you are reading this, consider adding a short section here about the upcoming C++17 -->
doesn't exist yet for one :v
Oh god I'm watching cooking videos what is happening
You're devolving. It's a natural consequence of past exposure to C++
@Rapptz you editing it?
15:48
> We are pleased to inform you that your application to NVIDIA GameWorks™ Registered Developer Program is approved.
yea
So checking so I don't trample your changes, or you mine.
If only Thalmic was so fast :F
Then go ahead.
talking about the future, anyone knows why std::any didn't make it?
15:49
yes.
Boost seems less fertile since they won't modernize and evolve along with the language :(
lol
> A few features that had been under discussion for C++0x have been deferred to the next iteration.
the tag wiki still uses C++0x after all this time
It's still cooler name than C++11
indeed
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C++XX
15:52
Cxx++
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C4
It's raining again. :S
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we had that yesterday
rain / sunshine / rain / sunshine
lol the guy didn't bother to be consistent :s
15:55
Tossed a banana in the garbage and was left with the peel in my hand.
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I could buy something like those
if I could find a rack for my poweramp.
that would be heck of a weird setup
but it should sound alright
you're supposed to reject edits that fix typos in code right?
@Rapptz Thanks. Voted in.

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