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10:00
K-Meleon is an excellent name.
On the upside, I was pleasantly surprised to see that at that customer site at least, hardly anyone was using IE
"Hello. I would like a litre of K-Meleon please."
"Certainly, sir."
@jalf IE love when that happens
@sudorm-rfTelkitty what part of it?
Is an elected moderator stay in power for life or do they have to be elected every couple of years
every year they they have to fight newly elected moderators to the death. Only the strongest gets to stay a moderator
10:13
They only stay moderators if they survive... THE GAUNTLET OF DOOM!
TLET OF DOOM!
OF DOOM!
OOM
M
accu.org/var/uploads/journals/Overload119.pdf - holy shit! you can integrate Catch into MSVS
tumbleweed
that was actually for robot. you don't even deserve the tumbleweed
Did you like my sound effects?
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A: What are the possible ways to make a custom type as a possible key for a map

Lightness Races in Orbitstd::maps require a less-than (or equivalent; less<key_type> is the default, per table 102), comparison for key types. [C++11: 23.2.4/3]: The phrase “equivalence of keys” means the equivalence relation imposed by the comparison and not the operator== on keys. That is, two keys k1 and k2 are c...

10:29
Just whoring it out?
Or did I miss something interesting?
I need repz. Go.
> removed "objectivity".
lol
user1804599
lol php ftw
user1804599
elsif (…) return $x; is a syntax error but else if (…) return $x; is not.
user1804599
Short syntax for else if.
user1804599
10:33
I would like it, but apparently it’s broken.
goor morning
elsif (…) return $x; is a syntax error in C++ too.
user1804599
5.5.3.
elsif doesn't exist. That's why you're having trouble with it. Did you mean elseif?
10:34
elsif in c++?
user1804599
Oh, it’s elseif. LOL.
user1804599
I am a terrible programmer.
> To me it was beyond snarky when you sent an e-mail to my company's official account (which I don't even receive, usually), complaining about an unjust downvote.
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NO WAY
10:37
Yeah, "snarky" isn't the term I would use for that
inane or insane?
@ScottW H2CO3. Someone mentioned it in his mod nomination.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes demand lmao
is there any way to move files with git so it doesn't look like delete&add in the commit?
@melak47 git mv
loooool
somehow not a surprise
10:43
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure the acid his name refers to is carbonic, more likely LSD actually
It shocks me that so many people are saying they'll vote for this jackass
C20H25N3O
@melak47 You're thinking about it wrong.
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe, but I don't like it looking like that in a commit :D
The short answer is "no", the medium answer is "yes, but no", and the long answer is "the two are unrelated".
@melak47 How it looks depends on the client.
@melak47 git log takes a bunch of optional parameters telling it how aggressively it should detect renames, and how it should show them
eh, I don't think I can set those options on github :c
Google for similarity index or something
Or rename threshold.
guess it doesn't matter. How about changing where the origin points?
10:48
FFS mods deleted my comment. Already. Turds...
or do I just add another remote and push to that and see what happens
I said that sending such an email to a company account is completely unacceptable, and that he should be suspended rather than elected.
One thing that may help is to do the rename in a separate commit from any changes to the file. If the file contents are exactly the same in one commit, then every git client I know of will show it as a rename in the log
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@melak47 How it looks depends on the client.
The guy has 109k rep and he's freaking out over one downvote? he has psychological issues
10:50
You cannot control how I want to see things.
s/I/GitHub/
@doug65536 To me it's more about how he freaked out. That tweet? Really? Is he five years old? And finding someone's company then emailing the info@ address about it, to "demand" removal of a downvote, is simply not acceptable behaviour in this community
@R.MartinhoFernandes like I said it doesn't really matter :D
I care more about putting this stuff in a new repo with history intact
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The tweet is really nothing compared to the e-mail to the company.
@doug65536 that's how you can tell he'd be an excellent moderator
@jalf Well he'd fit in; that's true
I always thought he was a bit of a dick but it's all coming out now
Deffo
Tomorrow, one of the other nominees shall be revealed to have a sister who once said SO was bad!
10:53
It's interesting that a bunch of people chimed in to say they think they themselves should cut back on the snark, and yet think he is a lot worse than them.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and perhaps another whose mother is his sister?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Including myself me (edit: guh, reflexive abuse)
you ain't pure
@R.MartinhoFernandes is it bad/good not to have a .sln for a thing? you can't put sln's in sln's right? :/
@melak47 "can't" is a bit strong (custom build step)
@melak47 Just make a solution "folder".
10:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes where'd you put this, hierarchically? on nonius you put all that stuff in some subfolder, right
I don't know what "this" is, btw.
@melak47 IIRC you can put a "link" to a project in your solution. my vs is getting foggy by now though
Also, why am I giving advice on VS thingies? I don't want to be that guy.
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once in a while I go compile some real C++ in the latest VS to make sure it still doesn't compile real C++
ugh 4GB of RAM on a PC is a fucking joke
11:03
@R.MartinhoFernandes too late!
I should rename my "win7" bash script that launches my vm to "lol-vs"
I have to literally swap running applications constantly
back in 90s
@BartekBanachewicz Haha, really?
Oh, do you have an SSD?
@SomeGuy yeah :/
I'm outta here.
11:04
fuck I'll keep only Outlook there
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@BartekBanachewicz only if you use Chrome with 20 tabs :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't leave Mr VS Guy, Sir!
@spyder wait am I supposed to use IE6 or what
Also FFS what the hell with H2CO3
@BartekBanachewicz Hahaha, didn't you see IE proving itself to be faster than Chrome?
(It skipped frames instead of rendering them)
Browsers don't render fluently anyway
bah, let's not talk about browsers
11:07
@BartekBanachewicz no? you can render 60 FPS with a couple % of time in your code
@doug65536 'cept everytime it decides that fuck you and gives you a 100ms frame
which happens way too often
@BartekBanachewicz 3GB was enough for me for a long time. But I used FF. Now I have 8 but rarely used more than 4
Which can be avoided by writing JS that's not JS, partially.
Time is not measured in %.
@spyder I have 8 at home and it's too little already
thank god this workstation has 16
11:09
@spyder I have 16 at work and often use most of it; 32 at home, same.
zomg
@BartekBanachewicz you got me there :)
user1804599
Yum.
user1804599
Stroopwafel.
Virtual Machines and builds take a lot
11:10
I paid for those transistors; I want them used.
I've got 8
hmm it appears we've got a day of italian cuisine today
yum.
What do you guys generally use that 8GB of RAM is too little for?
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Virtual Machines and builds take a lot
Aah, VMs
Right, that makes sense
11:12
Not only vms, I run code that takes 8gb of ram (or as much as it can)
Most of my RAM is used by the OS.
And things on tmpfs, on Linux.
C# (and other managed languages probably) can be quite the hog sometimes when doing things like natural language processing.
user1804599
I have 330 MB of RAM free.
with sufficient ram and some warmup time, the only disk I/O is writes, if you have sufficient memory for file cache
user1804599
No swap used.
11:13
hm I think I'm a racist.
Haha, what?
@BartekBanachewicz most people are
It's mostly shoulder room for the OS to speed things up.
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz as long as you’re proud of it, it’s fine.
@R.MartinhoFernandes From now on, all my bug fix estimates shall be presented in % of life expectancy
11:13
@rightfold Damn Chinese, telling us to be proud of racism! Who do they think they are?
@rightfold I'm not.
user1804599
I am not Chinese.
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz then it’s not fine.
I know. Gotta do something about it.
user1804599
11:14
@rightfold Damn Chinese, lying to us! (I know you're not :p)
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz What race do you think is superior over what other race?
@BartekBanachewicz At least you acknowledge it and want to change it, right?
@rightfold your own race superior to others of course
@SomeGuy mmhm
@rightfold I have totally unbased prejudice towards people that have indian names.
I've noticed that and I don't like it.
11:16
It's not your fault
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz hang out with lots of different people from the race in question and then you can judge again whether or not you think they are inferior to yours.
I'm Indian, and I have the prejudice too
@rightfold yeah I thought about it, but I don't know many indian guys.
waves
@SomeGuy oh lol
11:16
I haven't met a russian I didn't like yet
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Stack Overflow is crawling with them!
@BartekBanachewicz Don't bother. They are all dumb, anyway. Right?
Some Guy is Indian
I prefer to think in terms of what races I tend to like rather than the opposite
@R.MartinhoFernandes no!
11:17
@doug65536 I met a Russian at my flat once. And then I woke up and there was no vodka left.
@rightfold SO is not a very good example I'm afraid
user1804599
:P
The thing is, if an Indians was just being a cook guy - you probably wouldn't know he was an Indian anyway - but some times weird Indians come to the chat or the site and ask really shitty questions so the stereotype persists.
user1804599
What is memory pressure?
on the chat and on the site too, yeah
11:18
What's cooking got to do with this?
Hahaha
@rightfold Context?
I think he might have meant "cool"
I hate two things, racism and Polish people.
11:18
are property sheets acceptable for isolating dependency paths and crap? (i.e. boost inlcue and lib paths)
@rightfold running out of ram
@BartekBanachewicz Too much time on SO
@melak47 Property sheets are acceptable for everything, ranging from basic developed world level project file management to firstborn collection.
@BenjaminGruenbaum depends what he's cooking
we shouldn't confuse prejudice and racism for clearly identifiable cultural trends, mind you
@melak47 eh I find them terribly annoying to use anyway
11:20
cultures do have ingrained "ways"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's what a racist would say!
@melak47 if you suffer through setting up property sheets and putting the project settings itself back to normal, you have more control over the options. you can "overlay" several property sheets to compose a set of settings
Telling someone they're cool although they're Indian, or that they don't 'act Indian' is one of the most offensive things one can say.
user1804599
11:21
@doug65536 "Suffer"?
Are you saying that you enjoy punishing yourself with regular project settings management?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's spot on
btw @R.M are you still using SCons?
(Why the fuck is "'regular' project settings management" the regular thing in VS)
@R.MartinhoFernandes digging through (num_configurations * num_platforms) pages of the normal properties dialog, putting everything to unset to it won't override the property sheet, that's suffering
@doug65536 That's only because the default VS project templates are sorta broken.
@R.MartinhoFernandes agreed 100%
11:23
So fix it.
I use my own hand-crafted starting points.
@doug65536 I edit the XML files directly to do that.
(It's not that hard: open the project file, delete all nonsense; done)
I actually talked to one of the guys on the compiler team. they basically said, too many PMs fighting over the defaults to get anywhere
@R.MartinhoFernandes something has to be regular
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, but my wonder is about the worst option being the regular one.
11:27
Hey, thanks for dumping your uncommented code on us and asking us to find your bug. I hope you will use this same approach going forward in your career as a programmer! — John Zwinck 5 mins ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes you seem surprised
JBL
JBL
Yay, 3333 rep. I like that number. (Not prime, sadly).
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Blame me for hoping a tool that costs up to 14k euro might actually do something right.
uh
this ninja building stuff looks awfully complicated
In other news, yay, my code finally compiles.
@BartekBanachewicz You might be the first one saying that o_O
@BartekBanachewicz Also, no, I use ninja these days.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you write those bootstrap/ninja_syntax files by hand?
11:31
the last time I tried ninja, it didn't work quite perfectly. was a while back. make -j 12 is fast enough
@R.MartinhoFernandes also why did you switch, if I might ask?
@BartekBanachewicz ninja_syntax is just a "lib". bootstrap, yes, but changing that is on the horizon.
I haven't needed a build system lately because apparently GHC is using pony magic
Not that writing it by hand sucks; my biggest concern is duplication across projects.
uh-oh, create a project with it?
I dunno, I think I'll stay with SCons
unless you want to make something that's easier to use than your boostrap and publicize it
11:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes just lost the last bits of chance he had for me.
Jan 2 at 23:54, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I dropped SCons because I got too fed up with it being half-smart.
Me so fail English wow
@BartekBanachewicz Still need some per-project customisation for some things.
Alas even this is an over-simplification. Consider if (false) { rarrrrrrrrrrrrrr }Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you oughtta know better really
:14632270 lol, yeah
y'know what? that joke doesn't work.
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmhmm. So in plain english you wanted more control?
11:41
@BartekBanachewicz Surprisingly, that's a Hungarian (?) using the German twitter client?
@BartekBanachewicz No. He wanted fewer unpleasant surprises
@BartekBanachewicz welcome to three hours ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he's still as dumb as he was 3 hours ago, I presume
@BartekBanachewicz I was assume so yes
@sehe No? I'm pretty sure it wasn't him taking the screenshot.
11:44
55 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
I said that sending such an email to a company account is completely unacceptable, and that he should be suspended rather than elected.
Probably Nikolai, who posted it.
lol
That's on the starboard.
oh let us have our dose of hilarity
> I demand
I demand hilarity
11:45
well you're in the right place
@sehe @R.M does it mean that I can keep using SCons if it doesn't annoy me yet?
@BartekBanachewicz heh
> My opinions are necessarily those of my employer. I'm self-employed.
Let me explain what I mean by "half-smart" with an example. Some text editors will not auto-insert closing parentheses for you. I can deal with those: what I get is what I type, no more no less. It doesn't help a lot, but it doesn't get in the way. Those are completely dumb.
Some text editors will auto-insert closing parentheses. Of those there are two kinds, distinguished by what you get when you type `foo(bar)`. Some (most) will get you `foo(bar))` (fuck Eclipse) because they inserted the parentheses and you should not insert it yourself as well. They try to help and at times end up being
morning
I only like completely dumb or completely smart tools.
Haven't found a completely smart build system, so I switched to one that is (well, very close to) completely dumb.
11:51
Hail king R#, savior of imports, lord of refactorings, resolver of dependencies, regent of code analysis.
@MilesRout: Nobody said it was "needed". Fortunately, as human beings with souls, hearts and brains, we don't limit ourselves to only what is "needed". I can see that you appreciate this fundamental fact, judging by your decision to post that comment. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes like chat markdown?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As an example of half-smart? Yes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes judging by your explanation above and the utter manglingness thereof
Yeah.
I knew it would happen, but couldn't bother.
Stupid piece of shit.
I don't get why it adds a reply arrow but keeps the fucking reply ID in the message.
Gosh, you're right. It's definitely another great example.
Thanks. I do try
11:56
@BartekBanachewicz You don't have to switch. No one is trying to kill SCons.
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay
> I trust and believe that you would grow in a role as a moderator and I will be voting for you. Yes your rough edges do need smoothing as does your left hand wrist staccato on the pianoforte!
So much credit.
Reminds me of Obama's Nobel prize.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I tweet that? :D

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