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20:00
so if I were to sell all 35 of them, I'd probably get a whole... £2 or so.
@ALOToverflow You've made a terrible mistake. You have provoked the Jalfinator.
I'm getting a strong urge to be really snarky and rude
Some are supposedly worth more
For whatever reason
@jalf Don't, we already have Cat.
@EtiennedeMartel Ah well
20:00
Just sell them, why do you care
Foil ones are worth more
@ALOToverflow You know what would hurt esports? Your ideal of a world where you need a fucking license to be allowed to play game and earn money from it
@jalf Totally agree with you
@ALOToverflow Every industry is shit and 90% of people in it are terrible at what they're doing
hth
@ALOToverflow Er, that is happening and it doesn't really hurt the industry at all.
20:01
@CatPlusPlus ^this
What we need is Gary Bettman leading an eSports league.
well, it would be nice if we could fire them all and hire someone better, but you know
Gary Batman
Someone has to make frontends
Who the fuck cares how they call themselves
anyway, afk a little bit
They'd be terrible anyway
20:04
For what it's worth, I'd be more inclined to watch esports if it was part of a culture which encouraged people to play games and do with it whatever they please, than when it is part of a toxic, petty and elitist culture obsessed with judging others and discouraging them from playing games.
anyway, bbl
user1804599
Aahaha.
Like real non-internet sports, it's 100% about money
@jalf That's actually how it is with StarCraft 2.
League of Legends is the one with the toxic community.
user1804599
> Of course, all Russians say that it is finished on time. Because that’s what Russians always do. If you ask the question three months AFTER the Olympics again, they give the exact same answer.
@CatPlusPlus That's the right way of doing this right. Only for the money.
user1804599
20:05
About Sochi.
It's funny
check this out sochi.fbk.info/en
This page particularly : sochi.fbk.info/en/price
user1804599
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2014/01/… (Dutch) and imgur.com/a/0muGY (pics).
Get the same Olympics as everyone for twice the price! Only in Russia.
Serious question: who paid for production of giant phallus placed on @KermlinRussia's car? Imagine can't be cheap. http://t.co/Xs97Pr3RpR
20:11
Чешские биатлонистки первыми в Сочи узнали, что такое настоящий русский командный дух http://t.co/Hs4nLBZePj
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Well, well.
@EtiennedeMartel Is that like all shooters are Doom ripoffs?
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix And I thought roads here were bad =/
and all open-world games are GTA clones?
@DeadMG See that joke up there?
Yeah.
20:12
Roads aren't worse than roads in Canada to be honest
@EtiennedeMartel Traditionally, jokes should be funny.
In my city they redo the roads every year twice
In this case, that'll be like seeing an HTML5 port of DOOM and claiming it's a ripoff of Call of Duty.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm canadian too btw.
But you're not in Russia
20:13
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Roads in Quebec are usually shit, for a variety of reasons.
I know I'm from Quebec
AH BEN TABARNACK
@EtiennedeMartel says the one who's not driving
user1804599
Netherlands best roads.
20:14
ich bin ein Berliner?
@ALOToverflow Nunununu.
Lounge<Québec> :D
Lounge<Poutine>
user1804599
@DeadMG Du bist ein SCHWEINHUND.
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG Where did that come from
@rightfold *Schweine
user1804599
20:15
I was always graded a three for German okay?!
Mangez dont tous de la marde.
Avec plaisir
c'est pas tous les jours que jpeux parler français :(
@EtiennedeMartel why didn't I think of that ._.
Le França.
user1804599
20:16
Ik spreek geen Frans, maar God, wat vind ik het toch een verschrikkelijke taal.
@Xeo Just saw guys hopping on the "OH MAH GERD SO QUEBEC" thing up there and it reminded me of that.
Nous autres on est nice de même.
screw you. I also know a language which most of you can't read, fuckers
user1804599
Abyx from Moscow.
@Abyx Yeah, but you're probably racist anyway.
20:16
Il fait -30 ici
@rightfold nope
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix C'est plutôt doux ici. Hier, par contre, faisait frette en esti.
user1804599
Vlad from St. Petersburg.
hey guys
@rightfold oh sh... I'm also from there but I swear I'm not him
20:17
could we please stick to ENglish in the chat?
user1804599
hey guy
urge to instabin rising.
@DeadMG FRENCH MASTER LANGUAGE
user1804599
@DeadMG Houd je bek, dwaas.
@DeadMG Can you kick him?
20:17
Why don't you learn French, like your monarchy does?
fait 2 jours que je sors pas de chez moi, 3 menute et ma barbe se mettai a gler
@ALOToverflow Ha, no such ability. The chat sucks.
user1804599
@Abyx Abyx from Vlad.
@EtiennedeMartel Didn't mean in chat, more like IRL
Ell
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French is a dying language :P
20:18
@EtiennedeMartel Why would I learn french?
@ALOToverflow He's in the UK. Not feasible.
Ell
Ell
Better to learn spanish or chinese
@DeadMG Because you like pain?
user1804599
DUTCH.
Ell
Ell
Or dutch
user1804599
20:18
Most Dutch people don’t even speak Dutch.
the only people that I could communicate with that I couldn't before are the French.
and I don't have a desperate urge to communicate with the French.
@Ell actually learn french and you'll understand easily spanish, italian and many other latin languages
user1804599
Flemish people are good at Dutch.
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG And some africans
@DeadMG Yeah, I see your point there.
20:19
@Ell I also really don't have a particular need to communicate with them.
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix or learn spanish and you'll learn the 3rd most used language in the world!
@DeadMG You racist.
@Ell and the first is?
@rightfold I guess they're smart.
user1804599
Cool.
20:20
I'm sure
Ell
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix chinese probably
user1804599
Netherlands best country.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix English, I think.
I want to learn Russian but I'm so fucking lazy.
20:20
with Chinese as #2
@EtiennedeMartel @Lightness is racist. or something like that
Ell
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although I think english is the most useful then spanish then chinese
@Abyx Everyone is racist except my penis.
@DeadMG chinese first (pick the dialect)
Chinese has a lot more native speakers but English secondary speakers are massive.
Ell
Ell
20:20
English is the international language
@Ell french was the international language and even now in russia the driving card is written in french
ask me why? I don't know
> I had to import it from the U.K. and it showed up all smelling of chip fat and xenophobia.
@EtiennedeMartel why? just to write Я instead of R?
я is pronounced Ya
@Abyx Don't know. Learning new languages is fun.
20:22
freak
New cultures, ya know.
defining new languages is fun.
Not just sitting on my status quo.
user1804599
@Abyx In Soviet Russia, Я flips YOU!!
also, new cultures = new cultures to try to tear down.
20:23
@rightfold actually it means "I"
Well shit.
man
you'd be amazed at the Church (both of them) in the UK
always bitching and whining about how traditional shit is and how we should uphold our customs
Dec 22 '13 at 6:50, by Etienne de Martel
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fucking nutters
fuck religions.
20:24
@Abyx Yeah, we should worship brands instead.
@EtiennedeMartel we already do
Ell
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We should :3
Anyway the funniest thing about Sochi is that here there is a show called "ComedyClub". They usually joke how bad the Sochi construction is happening and how it's going to be crap... but the truth is all that was said on the show seems to be happening
@Abyx At least @Bartek does.
Fuck worshipping shit
20:25
I prefer to just not worship anything.
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worshipping brands benefits the economy at least
No it doesn't
@Ell No, it doesn't.
Cat and Puppy are actually the same person.
Ell
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More so than worshipping the church I mean :3
Also, how doesn't it?
20:25
I'm still gonna go with "No, it doesn't".
It benefits monopolies, which don't benefit the economy at all
Ell
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Buying stuff is good for the economy
@Ell worshiping gods benefits priests so what?
@Ell No, buying stuff which is better than the competition is good for the economy.
and worshipping a particular brand is exactly the opposite of that.
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@DeadMG so buying things from a brand doesn't benefit the economy?
20:26
@Abyx Excuse me?
not if they're worse than the equivalent sold by another brand.
Ell
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Almost everything has a brand these days
That's not "worshipping the brand"
user1804599
Money must roll, preferably in my direction.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no I can't forgive your racism
20:26
right.
worshipping a brand would imply purchasing it even when it's not really in your own interests
Ell
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yah
which is definitely counter-economical
@Ell Sounds like you have a US bias there.
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20:27
@DeadMG No it doesn't
Nobody would buy something voluntarily if it's not in their personal interest
You really don't know what "worshipping" means, is that what's happening here
I agree with Cat.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've only been to the US for 1 week!
@Ell People voluntarily buy all sorts of shit that's not in their own interest.
inb4 capitalism bla-bla-bla communism bla-bla-bla
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20:28
@DeadMG Like when? :3
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG Must frame.
@DeadMG 80,000 Apple employees think it's good for their economy.
@JerryCoffin Was totally trying not to namedrop Apple here.
Everyone knows it's about Apple
@Ell Erm, how about everybody who pays money to their actual religion e.g. Church?
20:29
3 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
Cat and Puppy are actually the same person.
@DeadMG When it's that obvious, there's no point in trying to hide it.
Ell
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Well, they voluntarily pay to their religion because of their self interest right?
Religions are freemium these days see
@Ell Well, no.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Beware the Cat/Puppy chimera. [c++] [c++11] [c++1y]
20:29
You get to cut in line to heaven if you pay enough
@DeadMG "if you call in the next 5 minutes, you'll receive not only one super slicer but 1000 tiny slicer with a manual containing recipes for kids and adults."
they pay to their religion because their parents indoctrinated them to.
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@DeadMG why not? Why else would they pay?
To get to the next level
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@DeadMG So they think it's in their best interest, right?
20:30
whether or not they think it's in their best interest is irrelevant as to whether or not it actually is.
Ell
Ell
No it isn't!
er, yes, it totally is.
But seriously how any of this is relevant to brands
Ell
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@DeadMG Why? why why why
you could voluntarily buy some carbon monoxide for use as a "breathing aid".
Ell
Ell
20:31
Buying things is about voluntary transactions for peoples self interest
that wouldn't make it in your best interest regardless.
or you could buy a knife for the purpose of committing suicide but that still wouldn't be in your best interest (ignoring the people with horrible diseases and such).
Ell
Ell
yes but why is it relevant if it is in fact in your best interest?
you voluntarily purchased it right?
:psyduck:
Alright, I'm gonna try to get some work done, you guys keep wanking.
@Ell Right, but most people don't really know what's in their best interest.
Ell
Ell
20:32
@DeadMG So?
@DeadMG You're deciding what is and isn't in someone else's best interest. That's neither your prerogative nor in your power.
Ell
Ell
they still buy things
for their personal interest, not necessarily their best interest
@Eli do you think that buying a new phone from a company X just because it's new but the hardware is almost the same is good for the economy?
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their best interest is irrelevant
@Ell Which is not a good thing when it's not their best interest.
20:32
People only buy things that they perceive to be in their best interest. If they want to commit suicide, they think they are better off with suicide.
their best interest is all that matters.
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG For the economy? why?
This is not at all complicated
@EtiennedeMartel hey where're you going? you can't escape from the Lounge
@Ell Like I said, it promotes anti-competition for starters.
Xeo
Xeo
20:33
Y'know, I can't help but notice the surplus of @Etienne on the starbord.
why should Apple bring out new hardware and software if people don't need a factual reason to buy the new iPhone?
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG Why?
@Ell In fairness, I think it's worth pointing out that a large part of money paid to most churches is actually distributed to help others. They're pretty efficient about it too. Last time I checked, among the officially registered charitable organizations in the US, the two that distributed the largest percentage to the needy were the Catholic and Lutheran ones (over 99% of what they received was distributed). Compare to the Red Cross, kept about 30% of what was given them.
@Abyx I'm still here. Just not really reading.
6 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
You really don't know what "worshipping" means, is that what's happening here
Ell
Ell
20:34
@DeadMG to make more money? :3
@Ell But they're not gonna make more money because people are gonna buy their iPhones anyway.
You make more money by not doing any new research
exactly.
are people still buyin iPhones?
3
R&D and innovation are super expensive.
20:34
it's not helping the economy as it will slow "inovation"
companies won't do it if they don't have to.
Ell
Ell
@DeadMG Why is this bad for the economy again? :S (This is a genuine question, I don't understand :/ )
er
are you really asking me why improved technology is bad for the economy?
Monopolies proven time and again and that they won't do shit to improve anything, because people have no choice anyway
and improved competition?
because that's like, economics 101.
20:36
innovation => competition => demand/need => price
if you don't know the answers to these questions then it's like trying to learn C++ but you don't know how to turn on your computer.
Ell
Ell
I mean, why would there be reduced competition if apple stop developing their phones?
Nobody said that
@Ell No, they stop developing their phones because of reduced competition.
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Ell
Oh right
20:37
@CatPlusPlus name a monopoly?
why would Apple pay massive teams of scientists and engineers to develop better phones if they could just pocket the money instead.
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Ell
then other companies develop while they aren't developing and people go to the other companies?
@ALOToverflow Something else to put on your radar: Modeselektor.
I don't have a list of monopolies, read a history book or whatever I don't know
It's like how microsoft is failing
20:37
@Ell That assumes that they have the capacity to adequately determine which phone is most developed.
@EtiennedeMartel send that to me on facebook
they won't switch if they can't perceive the superior product.
they didn't spend any time on R&D and then look where Microsoft is going? Surface?
@Ell Not if people value brand over anything else (like, worship it or somethin)
20:38
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix they ruined the start button in win8. who knew how important that little popup was
Is it clear now?
Ell
Ell
It is certainly becoming more clear :L
and they can't perceive another company's products as better if they worship Apple and consider all Apple products to be better by default.
Ell
Ell
Okay, you've got me, this makes sense now
fundamentally
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20:39
Cool. Cheers guys
in some parts of our society, competition is a great thing.
@doug65536 I don't mind about the button but it's funny on how the "metro" interface doesn't work correctly on netbooks. Many netbooks will simply refuse to open the calculator in metro. It's funny when you read "screen to small too open this application"
and brand loyalty kinda destroys it.
And how microsoft is so screwed that they have to buy nokia to have people sell wp8
In Sweden there are many examples of monopolies that work really well, state owned stuff. Many of them are sold out cheap now though.
20:42
state owned isn't a monopoly
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix a friend of mine sells computers. he tells me that if you give a person win8, they are lost. they need the desktop. When I first tried win8, I actually got stuck in an app - I couldn't figure out how to close it. If I get stuck, imagine some clueless user
well, it is, but it's really not the same.
@DeadMG I'd say it is the definition of monopoly, state owned and regulated to have no competition.
yeah, but the monopoly's owners are also it's customers.
State owned and regulated doesn't mean it can't have competition
20:45
whereas a normal monopoly is a bad thing because it acts in the interests of its owners over its customers.
@DeadMG can you name a monopoly?
@DeadMG Let's try to put this in perspective. Apple spends roughly 2% of its income on R&D (compared to about 12-15% for most tech companies). fool.com/investing/general/2013/11/04/…
@doug65536 I admit I read an article how bad win8 was as a good tutorial to understand what's happening
@ALOToverflow if the regulation is such that competition is forbidden
@JohanLarsson Yes. That's another story
20:46
despite that many of them worked extremely well ime
@JohanLarsson Sure. Our government has a monopoly on all kinds of things- police, fire, etc.
But that create a monopoly controlled by the customers for the customers, if the regulation is right
@JerryCoffin Which explain why each year's new iPhone iteration is hardly better than the last har har har
they have a monopoly on delivering justice.
there are lots of government monopolies in basically every modern country
@DeadMG ok true.
20:47
@DeadMG Because competition doesn't make sense in those cases.
I heard the new iphone will have a big screen
user3010322
"You don't have good fire insurance -- happy burning!"
@JerryCoffin I'd like to know how much they blow on marketing. must be expensive to keep a whole planet brainwashed
@EtiennedeMartel I agree, but that doesn't make them any less monopolistic.
Or because it cost too much for the potential profit but the service is needed for the population
20:48
@DeadMG What I'm saying is that monopoly isn't a bad thing in itself.
which is what I was also saying.
or rather
Let's make out.
@EtiennedeMartel It usually is, though
state-owned monopolies don't count as monopolies in the sense that I was discussing them with Ell, anyway.
@doug65536 I don't know, I believe they already convinced most russians that people in america only buy macbooks/iphone... and I still don't really understand
20:49
@Borgleader It would mostly have to do with iOS, not the phones themselves. Apple doesn't design or make parts to do things like 802.11 or 4G reception and transmission--they buy those off the shelf from the real tech companies (e.g., Qualcomm, Broadcom).
@DeadMG hard to find examples of non state owned monopolies ime
@JerryCoffin it's not completely true, I heard about the CPU which is specific to apple phones, and some parts might be custom made (in shape) for apple (which might require smaller sizes)
because regulators crack down on them hard these days
@JerryCoffin Wow. It makes sense. These people know exactly whose money they're giving, to whom, and why.
20:52
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix you done got marketed.
you suck, @Etienne
@BartekBanachewicz <3
what's really amusing is how samsung/lg are making screens for most phones
wait are you still talking brands
runs away
20:53
@DeadMG Typical twaddle from parents who think they, and their little dears, should get cheaper holidays at the expense of everyone else, littering the already crowded holiday destinations with more hotels and apartments that are closed down for most of the year so there is enough accommodation for school hoidays in the UK. You had the kids, so fucking pay for them.l
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The government is a monopoly on force basically (imho)
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Apple does have a few custom parts, no question about that. The majority are outsourced though.
@MartinJames I agree with the fundamental sentiment- the price rises during holidays are perfectly natural market forces as a result of everyone wanting to get away at the same time, and there's nothing any travel agent or holiday company can do about it.
Hi, knows someone something about spinlocks in linux?
@MartinJames yeah, who do those holiday companies think they are, pricing based on crazy rules like 'supply' and 'demand'
20:54
@Kaostias They spin while waiting to acquire the lock. :)
Try jumping
I don't feel I have much opportunity to vote effectively with my money in daily life because huge layered bs everywhere
@TonyTheLion thanks, i guess
@JohanLarsson you always vote with your money even if you don't buy anything
20:55
@Kaostias You're welcome, I guess.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix ok you have a point
@SamDeHaan Exactly. No matter how you analyse it, if group X get cheaper holidays, group Y will have to pay more. I'm sure that pensioners would be totally happy to subsidise families with children in school...
@JohanLarsson There are actually a fair number around. Courts in the US and Europe have both found Microsoft to be a monopoly, for one example.
@MartinJames They already do, but here we mean "even more".
@DeadMG Talking of monopolies :/ At least in holland, (public) school system is in fact mandatory. And yes, this gives the recreation business free reign to just "charge whatever still fills the hotels". In part it's is simply capitalist market economics at work. The perverted, however, is the government held monopoly on "proper education" - plus the justice rules in place to ensure every child 4-16 be in school these exact days.
20:57
@DeadMG Yes :(
@sehe I essentially agree that the government is to blame for the education system being massively too inflexible.
STATE KNOWS BEST
I believe, in holland there's an experiment started with schools that don't adhere to public holidays. Nor to regular hourly rosters, IIRC
> Mr Cookson said the petition's call for price regulation might not be successful but it was raising awareness and increasing the chance that holiday providers would change their policies.
@JerryCoffin yes I find it a bit surprising because I don't agree with that definition of monopoly. Sure they were big but there were alternatives, even free alternatives.
20:59
It shouldn't be fucking successful, you moron, because it's not government's place to regulate prices
okey, so Deployd is not for me, I guess

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