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7:01 PM
Coincidentally I'm already in the process of updating the C++11 status table to mention the non-conformance of our COW implementation and plan to regenerate the onlinedocs HTML pages Real Soon Now. — Jonathan Wakely 26 secs ago
nice
 
@jalf you mean timeBeginPeriod? I love "don't call this ever, unless you need to" APIs :)
 
@doug65536 yep, that one
I think there are one or two other offenders too which implicitly call it or have equivalent effects, but yeah
 
SetThreadPriority(GetCurrentThread(), THREAD_PRIORITY_TIME_CRITICAL); // FLOOR IT!
 
Coop resume review is always fun time
 
@doug65536 All Windows apps ever in a nutshell :p
 
7:09 PM
Just got that @jalf
But I'm on the bus so it might be 3g range
 
@ALOToverflow Interns, eh?
 
Hehe
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. Over 60 resumes in less than 30 minutes
 
@ALOToverflow Damn =/
 
@jalf iirc the tests were on idle. Refer to Jeff's post
 
@ALOToverflow I really can't understand how people see the government as an attractive employer.
 
7:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ask your intern
He applied
 
@EtiennedeMartel Getting paid to do nothing. Lazy people love the sound of that :P
 
@Borgleader Yea, about that...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, they're never gonna go bust.
 
@DeadMG That's not entirely true either
 
@ALOToverflow Yeah, but he's young and inexperienced... oh, I get it now.
 
Depending on which government, it might carry some quite attractive benefits
 
Plus I get to be chatting with you guys
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did, like 10 min ago, how is that shit question still open =/
 
That's an attractive benefit
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel The government's health plan and subsidiaries for certain living spaces is comprehensive. The pay is competitive (for certain fields) and there is a clear path to move up the ladder and get more pay for staying longer.
 
7:15 PM
@Borgleader Ikr
 
@jalf Canadian. Eh.
 
user3010322
I've been missing calls from Ludia. =[
 
wtf
 
user3010322
They keep calling me during class. :c
 
@ThePhD Good for you, you don't really want to work there
 
7:17 PM
updated to the latest Catch, and suddenly Clang tells me my std::multimap<std::string, int> has too few template params
 
@ALOToverflow Pffff.
 
Ell
Evening all
 
@ThePhD HR, eh?
 
Ell
York are going to make me an offer woo
 
user3010322
7:19 PM
@Ell Very nice. :D
 
grats
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, probably. I should send an e-mail so I stop missing the calls. D:
 
@ThePhD What, they don't leave voicemails?
 
The only call I got all week was from some random IT guy who had the wrong number T_T
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They left a voicemail once, but they don't have, like, er. Direct numbers to call them. I get put into the phone system when I call back
 
7:20 PM
@ThePhD So?
 
user3010322
So I haven't been able to get through the thing to call them back. D:
 
@ThePhD Who's calling you?
 
If you can't figure out how to get someone on the phone by name then perhaps you're not ready for full-time employment :/
 
that assumes they left a name
 
But yes, you need to email, right now.
 
user3010322
7:20 PM
u.u
 
naow
 
user3010322
Okay, I will after I get out of class. :c
 
wtf is your problem clang!
 
@ThePhD o_0 if you can spare time for chat during class, FUCKING EMAIL THEM
 
@thecoshman this
You should have done it after failing to return the first missed call. When was it?
 
7:26 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inb4 last month
 
ok, on which planet, and under which dialect of the C++ standard, is this invalid? std::multimap<std::string, int> mappings; (Assume I include both <string> and <map>)
 
Ell
@ThePhD thanks :)
 
@thecoshman yeah
@jalf C with Classes
 
oh nm, brainfart
 
7:30 PM
@jalf What was the problem?
 
Didn't even need to #include <string>! ;)
 
@DeadMG let's just say that one of the two assumptions I listed was not actually true :p
 
@jalf You're not on a planet?
 
@EtiennedeMartel By the way, Drahakar and I installed EvE yesterday
 
I didn't include <map>. Apparently that just makes clang go "too few template parameters for std::multimap, instead of "wtf is the multimap of which you speak?" for some reason :|
@ALOToverflow Aren't you too late? The big battle already happened afaik :p
 
7:32 PM
@jalf Yea, I know
 
@ALOToverflow You mean Space Spreadsheet Simulator?
 
I wanted to try, but time dilatation was too high
@EtiennedeMartel Eh?
 
@ALOToverflow dilatatatation?
 
It's like Excel. But iiiiinnn spaaaaace.
 
@jalf dilation
 
7:33 PM
Dilate ta rate.
 
Fact: you can play the game with no graphics at all
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, just spreadsheets.
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you?
 
Xeo
@jalf you never know how header dependencies work out. internal headers etc
 
@Xeo true
 
Xeo
7:34 PM
gief modules
 
Esp in a large fight being zoomed in to actually see ships is only detrimental
 
Right
 
@Xeo muddles!
 
@Borgleader if i use the following code then why the ouput is same in following two cases: ` class Test { public: int data; Test() { data = 9; } Test& myfunction (); void print() { cout << data<<endl; } }; Test m; Test& Test::myfunction () { return m; }; int main() { Test b; Test a; b=a.myfunction(); b.print(); m.data=7; b.print(); return 0; } ` output is : 9 9// why not 7? — user3249833 4 mins ago
code in comments, lel
 
Unless you're one of the few people who actually fly manually instead of using overview
 
7:35 PM
@jalf Default template parameters.
 
@DeadMG yes?
 
hard-hitting journalism
 
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the compiler would know that the template exists, but not know that two of its type params have defaults
 
forward declaration.
 
7:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Looks like someone hit the Submit button too soon
 
you can't forward-declare default template parameters.
 
but oh well, it obviously is some obscure header dependency thing
 
@Borgleader Yeah. -1 not an answer
 
it's illegal for some reason.
so a forward declaration lists N params, and only the definition says "By the way, they're defaulted".
 
hmm
yeah, that sounds plausible
 
7:37 PM
@DeadMG good analysis
 
ran up against this exact problem with an LLVM class.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, you know, a publicly owned company has to make sure it beats its private competitors, because you know. Something.
 
needed to forward declare, but it's basically impossible to forward-declare it so you can use a default-parameter-using usage as an incomplete type.
e.g. imagine trying to use std::multimap<std::string, int>*.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG uh, yes, you can. you just can't have it on decl and def
 
so, in other words, it's impossible unless the maintainer also maintains all decls and defs, or generally leaks implementation details.
I guess you could simply always ship the template as a decl then def.
 
Xeo
7:41 PM
@DeadMG So your conclusions are wrong.
 
the plot thickens
 
I don't really like Bieber's work, but this is bullshit.
Actually, it makes me feel quite uneasy.
 
@Xeo Well, you can't unless the template author explicitly set it up that way, which I'm guessing is not going to be many and obviously not in this case.
 
Xeo
> Total signatures on this petition 112,376
wat.
 
Probably because of that part:
> He is not only threatening the safety of our people but he is also a terrible influence on our nations youth.
 
7:44 PM
> Issues: Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Human Rights, Women's Issues
 
"Think of the children!" type stuff makes me feel uncomfortable.
 
:lol:
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Right. The standard demands it for <iosfwd>, but there's nothing similar like <stlfwd>
 
@ALOToverflow Kaceytron is only in it for trolling and money.
 
7:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I know
 
(And, yes, I know it's a Brazzers logo)
 
I was reading the comments, some are quite interesting
 
@Xeo It would be better if they simply didn't have stupid rules about not re-declaring the default parameters.
 
No need to understand French for that one.
Before you ask, no, we don't speak pseudo-Latin here.
> She was a Cam Girl I think, so yeah she probably would get more money on Twitch
That explains a lot.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Noooo we don't want him back =/ </troll>
 
7:48 PM
> but she is a real girl gamer, she can name 10 games!
6
reddit.txt
 
You're a gamer if you play games. I don't care which ones, or how many of them, or whatever.
 
> Wow... that was difficult to watch. I'm so jelly though, because she has so much professional gaming gear! Like over $300!!!
 
Yes, it does mean anyone can be a gamer, but that's the whole point.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What if she can only name the games and doesn't play them?
 
@Borgleader I don't care about that.
 
7:50 PM
(I'm just playing devil's advocate, I don't actually care)
 
300$ in hardware? I COULD NEVER BUY THAT MUCH HARDWARE
 
What I dislike about Kaceytron isn't that she's a "fake" gamer, or that she shows cleavage, or that she asks for donation. My main gripe is that she's fucking toxic.
@CatPlusPlus That's about a keyboard and a headset.
 
She sounds like she just doesn't give a fuck and gets money
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes and unfortunately, lots of gamer girls are
 
@CatPlusPlus Exactly. She gets paid to troll.
 
7:51 PM
I can respect that
 
@ALOToverflow Lots of gamer guys are too.
 
If I got paid to do that I so would
 
@CatPlusPlus If she,s an ex-pornstar, she used to give a fuck badumtss
 
Thing is, if you're a guy, you can't just show tits and get paid. You have to be a bit more... creative.
 
She's not
 
7:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Toxic yes, but they won't get paid for
 
Female assholes just have it easier.
 
Unlike gamer girls who just have to show some skin
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't get why the first part is in french and the other in ? latin?
 
People are paying PewDiePie and DSP, so anyone can get money for being terrible
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Second part is a lorem ipsum.
 
7:52 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Its lorem ipsum wtv thing and thats the whole point
 
@CatPlusPlus You mean PEWdiePIE.
 
@Borgleader s/give/sell/
 
@EtiennedeMartel cybermanshow.fi that kind of creativity?
 
7:53 PM
> She makes me cringe every time time she says "professional female gamer". She's totally fake. Scarlett is a professional female gamer, not this chick.
"professional gamer" will never cease to be funny
 
Xeo
Ugh. FFVI for Android, but the sprites are way too smooth: lh4.ggpht.com/…
 
Eh, if she makes a living playing games, that qualifies as pro-gamer in my book. =/
 
Xeo
"playing"
 
She doesn't really play
 
@CatPlusPlus Why?
 
7:54 PM
DSP makes a living playing games
 
@ALOToverflow yes, they fit in quite well, don't they?
 
hard to define "professional gamer" if not "make living playing games".
 
@Borgleader Usually, "progaming" refers to playing games competitively for a living.
 
@ALOToverflow It was more of a general statement. I consider anyone making a living playing games as "pro-gamer".
 
@DeadMG I define a pro gamer as someone who "PLAYS XCOM ON IRONMAN!"
 
7:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's silly
 
i see
 
It's associated with eSports.
 
does mining ore in world of warcraft with the intension to sell it on ebay is considered professional gaming?
 
but seriously, yeah, you're right
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Yes
 
7:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus Scarlett <3
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix well, are you gaming? Or logged in to a game in order to do actual work?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, Queen of Blades ftw :3
 
@jalf You mean "Playing EVE Online".
Because that's totally a second job you have to pay for.
 
Hehe
 
@Xeo I play FF VI on my Android, on a SNES emulator : - / :)
 
7:57 PM
those kinds of distinctions are boring though. Who cares if someone is a "real" or a "professional" gamer? What difference does it make?
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth haha
 
"I choose to define the word in a way which excludes you", is basically all it's good for
 
@jalf no, I'd believe it is a quite inneficient way to make money most of the time unless I'd stop living and do only gaming
 
@Xeo (and it kinda looks better than the version you posted a picture of :))
 
@jalf It's great if you're an elitist asshole.
 
7:57 PM
@jalf If you want to start a shitstorm, try to define hardcore gamer.
 
@Borgleader There's also "midcore" now.
 
@Borgleader "SOMEONE WHO PLAYS XCOM ON IRONMAN!"
There, done
 
@jalf The fake ones are not helping esport grow
 
:D
 
clearly it's someone who plays games whilst having hardcore sex
 
7:58 PM
@ALOToverflow You know what's not helping esports grow? Retards calling people "fake gamers"
End. of. story.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have never heard that before o.O
 
All that finger exercise
 
bah
 
Isn't it odd that when my little brother plays football in the park, no one accuses him of being a fake athlete, nor does he get accused of "not helping football grow"
 
I'm sorry, I cannot treat esports or anything related to it seriously
 
7:59 PM
@DeadMG Sounds like something I need to try.
 
I can't believe my Steam inventory is full of this trading card shit.
 
Hmm, I think di.fm got their Ambient and Space Dreams channels mixed up =/
 
can't people make items worth actually having?
 
@CatPlusPlus Your loss, granddad.
 
@DeadMG Sell them. Get more games
 
7:59 PM
@jalf So. Say you have tons of shitty devs who are only doing html and they call themselves programmers. That would hurt the industry.
Except that it's not at the same level
 
@ALOToverflow wat.
 
@DeadMG I'll take them off your hands ;)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not really a loss, because it's funny
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, their value is only about 6p/card.
 

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