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15:01
Sweeeet. Anybody tell me what that is :( (yeah I'm googling now)
Jan 12 at 14:49, by Cat Plus Plus
BBC is literally Hitler
@sehe Never seen that before.
whats wrong with bbc?
Wow, I actually just taught someone how to make a testcase, and he got it.
@SAM Wrong Sam sorry.
Congrats
15:05
time to fix that header width
@sehe What sort of "connection" is that? Does Visual Studio now run on the cloud?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit partially, yes
@BartekBanachewicz seriously?!
Is it this?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well... yes? It stores your settings in the cloud, for example. And there's Visual Studio Online.
@BartekBanachewicz Yikes. Why?
15:07
@LightnessRacesinOrbit mhm
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why store user settings in a way that's easily accessible from every PC he has to work on?
Everyone loves the cloud, Lightness. Everyone.
someone just kill marketing people plz
Cloud storage is convenient.
SAM
SAM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hmmm alright
@BartekBanachewicz (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
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15:09
@thecoshman what
@Nathvi dunno what's wrong in marketing a product, really
Fuck running software in the cloud
@thecoshman dat face
@thecoshman why, again?
@BartekBanachewicz, ery thing is wrong
@SAM Relatively sure it was meant to be me, name thief.
15:09
if you're a small appliance it makes more sense than building your own server station
@BartekBanachewicz Because I have my own computer!
@Nathvi that's a very detailed answer.
@thecoshman which runs CI constantly so every developer can access it every time?
@BartekBanachewicz, im a detailed personz
What.
VS runs CI on the cloud.
@SamDeHaan Yepper. I was on mobile and can't use message-replies, then took a shortcut with the @mention
15:11
@BartekBanachewicz I am not on about running a 'public' service, I am on about running my own applications like VS
@BartekBanachewicz "every PC" eh
oh yes every PC is always on the internet
services belong on servers, there is more coincidence that results in them having such similar names.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the option to carry settings manually is still there, mind you
I. Have. No. Clue.
All I know is, I had to sign in in order to even be able to use VS. Then I had to "extend" the trial from ~30 (?) days to 97 days. Now, I just wanted to sign in to the proper MSDN account that we have at work and it refused.
I deleted some magical registry entries as per:
@BartekBanachewicz ok good
15:11
I did this. It looked funny, I had two matching locations, strangely with empty keys, and I deleted an entire parent tree that seems otherwise empty. I do prefer this method over the "nuclear" option described in the accepted answer. I mean, I know about that option for a long time but I'm not ready to delete all settings/caches over petty account UX fails :) — sehe 31 secs ago
@sehe It's just evil. No other reason.
@thecoshman sometimes you don't want to install the whole env. I work on my uni pcs sometimes, but it'd really be more convenient to use their internet connection rather than carry 30GB VM with me
You can't not be evil these days.
SAM
SAM
I'm not
@Bartek that's far from an important use case for VS
15:13
@BartekBanachewicz 30GB :/
Also stuff like FP complete is cool
@Bartek programming is not an important use case for VS
(DYSWIDT)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh right
@BartekBanachewicz then stop being stupid and just acess your code
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel I manage
15:14
@thecoshman what if want to test a change? Or generate a coverage report, for example?
@sehe no you don't
Meh. Your claim is as unfounded as mine
wow this self question is a rep factory
@sehe indeed
anyway the fact that you can't push from fpcomplete is sad :(
seriously that one thing and it'd be really usable
balls to arguing this
15:15
like, I could imagine switching to it in normal work
@thecoshman why is a desktop app oh so much better for you, again? It's not like VS is particularly fast or stable anyway.
it's not, your right. you win. We can stop talking about this now. And before you start down that route, yes I was wrong to bring it up and yes I am just wanting to stop this. Please don't make drag this out any longer
that sounds like a serious mental scar
Nothing to see - move along
what did that webpage do to him
@sehe ... I'm not even... fine... I'll try to forget that...
15:20
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Mo money
Why charge for software once if you can charge for software monthly
I do enjoy the irony of someone arguing 'convenience' immediately after someone complains of the big fucking inconvenience of... not being able to work at all.
@CatPlusPlus I'm sure marketing is working on how to sell per-use licensing next.
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv something can have convenient parts and inconvenient parts.
@SamDeHaan Hourly charge :v
Next up: Microtransactions in VS.
15:22
Achievements and hats
@R.MartinhoFernandes only $0.01 per compilation!
@CatPlusPlus HATS??!?!!? COUNT ME IN.
user406009
or 10$ per C++1y feature.
There's an achievement extension.
15:24
Gamification gets me. I have understanding and ability, but I lack motivation.
They already give away base IDE for free, I guess they could turn the advanced features into DLCs
that would work better
only pay for the ones you want.
SAM
SAM
ok guys.... time to go....
Or buy all the DLC only to get bored during the normal gameplay.
15:26
Only thing that would work better would be real support.
Abandoning a product after one year is bullshit.
Especially that the core doesn't differ that much now
My lord. The English wikipedia is over four million pages, and nothing but shit.
It really should add a rule. "If you can tweet the main content of a Wikipedia article, it is not good enough to be an article"
It is a rule.
@R.MartinhoFernandes in that case s/add a/enforce the/
user406009
@thecoshman Are you talking about an actual article or a stub?
15:32
@Lalaland actaul articles
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then I don't know, probably marry a hot girl and live happily ever after. — user3111311 14 mins ago
@BartekBanachewicz that's some nice unicode you have right there :D
I think everyone here would already know the answer, but a fair/interesting question nonetheless:
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Q: If I visit a HTTPS website when using Tor, is my information getting exposed?

gasko peterSo HTTPS is an end-to-end encrypted connection. Given this, does the website I am visiting know my original IP? The website is only available over HTTPS (not unencrypted HTTP).

┌(andy@alba)─(✓)─(02:38 PM Sat Aug 29)
└─(~)─(4 files, 332Kb)─> ls
Desktop Documents Music myScript.js
heh, that's a nice prompt
15:39
... it's... different to say the least
I'd do without the time/date in my promt though
and what is that tick for?
"you are online" or something
the file count is weird
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's an odd idea, but mildly interesting to have
as is what I presume to be the size of the files in this folder
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what do you mean, connected to t'internet?
I think I need to design a better PS1 for myself, I've been using one that uses terminal title, and it's starting to get annoying that I forget it does that
@thecoshman command success
@thecoshman no, like, the person's brain is activated
@BartekBanachewicz oh... not sure I like that idea of that :S
15:53
then don't use it duh
i now have nice colored prompt
@BartekBanachewicz what command? he hadn't written ls yet (presumably?)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit previous one?
seems a bit silly to me, surely you know yourself if a command succeeded or not
@BartekBanachewicz yikes
@thecoshman not really. if it just outputs a blob of white text...
15:55
@BartekBanachewicz still...
┌(bajtek@bajtek-VirtualBox)─(✓)─(04:55  czw sty 16)
└─(~)─(12 files, 48Kb)─> ls -penis
ls: invalid option -- 'e'
Try 'ls --help' for more information.
┌(bajtek@bajtek-VirtualBox)─(✗)─(04:55  czw sty 16)
└─(~)─(12 files, 48Kb)─>
What a horrible prompt
prettty cool. I'm gonna incorporate that tick mark
user406009
Most of the prompts I have seen use the tick mark to mark whether the current git repository is "dirty".
that would be nice too
15:57
@Lalaland now that is useful
oh-my-zsh's candy theme is p nice
oh, this page has a nice sample script that has lots of things defined so you can use readable things like 'boldblack' and not god ugly escape sequences
ah, found one. An PS1 editor tool. So you can easily play around with your PS1 seeing what it will look like as you edit it :)
16:00
Neat but still, zsh > bash :v
never really gave zsh a serious try... might do so later... though I'd say say I'd need something to do with it to make it a fair test
TIL you can scope typedefs
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@Jefffrey eh
are you some kind of moron
lol
did you think they were macros?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the best kind
16:03
@Jefffrey And that's why they're better than #defines.
I dont' know what I was thinking but I didn't think it was possible
I knew you could do that with using, but never thought typedef could do it. Prejudices I think.
@thecoshman meh, I'm just using variables to divide it
@BartekBanachewicz huh?
@Jefffrey How would metafunctions like remove_reference<T> work in C++03 if you couldn't?
ok, ok, everybody, calm your tits. It was obvious that you could scope typedefs. I just haven't ever really thought about it.
16:13
> calm your tits
ffs
why do i ever bother using bash
I managed to forget how fucking terrible it is
because a fish
16:16
grep doesn't work in coliru :(
yeah it makes total sense that concatenation works without operators SO everything is whitespace sensitive
good job
@Jefffrey happen to notice my profile notes?
oh gawd
16:22
posted on January 16, 2014

Here is my first example of the tension between theoretical and socially inspired solutions to technical problems in programming-language design.

@cat why have you not made your own distribution yet?
@GlennTeitelbaum std::nullptr_t please
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Q: Can I implement an autonomous `self` member type in C++?

Lightness Races in OrbitC++ lacks the equivalent of PHP's self keyword, which evaluates to the type of the enclosing class. It's easy enough to fake it on a per-class basis: struct Foo { typedef Foo self; }; but I had to write Foo again. Maybe I'll get this wrong one day and cause a silent bug. Can I use some co...

what. the. serious. fffuck.
what in the world...
I don't even...
I'm out.
I'm on 101k now.
16:28
okey, enough for now
Seen on FB:
> Can we print this a put it up as a poster for the guests set work?
@BartekBanachewicz You really need to supply sun-glasses if you're going to continue trying to burn our eyes like that.
I am having to physically restrain myself from asking her whether she really thinks it's "guests set work"
@JerryCoffin why? the colours aren't bright :v
@BartekBanachewicz Not bright, but extremely...dissonant.
16:31
maybe on your screen. They were chosen correctly
Yeah, all 16 colours in the palette were chosen correctly
(top tip: more than 3 is illegal)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit except that's BS
@BartekBanachewicz alright then you know best
carry on!
@BartekBanachewicz I'll allow four
16:34
how nice of you to allow that
not for a terminal, though. look, you're not making an oil painting or an interactive website
graphic designers across the world rejoice in happiness
@BartekBanachewicz I can be generous :)
@BartekBanachewicz graphic designers who spend their days tinkering with PS1
@thecoshman Of what?
16:42
@Jefffrey done - please upvote my profile :)
This is the only two colours you need :v
@CatPlusPlus Did you count the colorful language?
@CatPlusPlus linux ofc
16:59
Because it takes a lot of fucking work to maintain a Linux distribution
OK, another observation about Java. This time about its containers/collections: For whatever reason ArrayDeque<> is not a List<>.
I never said anything about maintaining it vOv
I hate it.
What's the point then
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: As far as the const-qualified argument for a hash goes: we both seem to be almost excessively agreeable today, because after doing a little more reading, I think your answer was actually correct (or certainly closer to correct than mine). I think you should undelete your answer.
17:18
-3
Q: Python vs HAskell vs Ruby vs Scala

NikThis might sound a very generic question which may be answerable by multiple Google searches and research. Still I would request you to provide as much information as possible. Something like this question here, but for all 4 of these languages. What are the similarities and differences between ...

>.>
Deathmatch
> Something like this question here [...]
(link to question closed because not a good fit)
WHY ARE SINGLETONHEADS SO STUPID
Singletons: known to cause brain evaporation. Use at your own risk
@jalf lol you're back into that discussion
I'm afraid you are wasting your time
@AndyProwl So am I
@JerryCoffin I believe it's now correct, but I re-deleted it because it's a mess and Mike's says the same thing far more eloquently. Mine is also pretty long and took up a lot of space on the page. The question has now ballooned too. :( So I thought, in the interests of neatness, might as well just give it up.
17:40
@LightnessRacesinOrbit with regard to: the conversion question I seem to feel the OP wants template deduction which won't happen with returns, am I missreading the question? Because if they have to figure out the type, they might as well just use the conversion directly.
@GlennTeitelbaum That's possible. It's not how I interpret it but he doesn't make it clear either way.
Of course, even if he does, it's impossible (as you say) so it would only result in my adding one line to the top of my answer ("you can't; you need to specify the type; do it with this:")
thats why my answer passes the lhs to convert :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, Mark's answer isn't bad at all (and as you said, is quite a bit shorter). The editing on the question leaves me in a quandary. In some cases it really is necessary (or at least extremely useful) to have the precise text of the error messages, but in others (including this, IMO) it's pretty much sufficient to just say "the compiler rejects this", and adding the full text of the messages just leads to unnecessary verbosity.
@GlennTeitelbaum fair enough
@JerryCoffin Yeah he's sort of made it a lot less generic now
@JerryCoffin which Q are you referring to?
17:44
@GlennTeitelbaum Oh, sorry. this one
17:54
SO
TODAY I ATE SOME FLAKED RICE
woops caps.
anyways I haven't had any since before I got sick, so I wonder how badly it will go down
@JerryCoffin haven't seen LRO's answer but the one posted looks clean, makes you wonder why the std::hash doesn't implement the const versions, maybe std::string specialization caches hash value? But then won't the solution of calling std::hash<string> in the const wrapper with a const string be undefined behaviour? it ?should call it on a temp non-const copy?
@GlennTeitelbaum The actual operator() that is called is able to take a const Key&; it's just that we will no longer be constifying Key itself (in the template argument).
That's the crux of it, really.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit thats clear, thanks
@GlennTeitelbaum np honey
18:05
@GlennTeitelbaum I think it's probably something that slipped through the cracks--just a corner case that wasn't considered.
The schedule of ACCU 2014 looks interesting
Any of you have worked in quantitative/algorithmic finance?
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Q: Figuring out C++ set

jjepsuomiCould someone give me some guidance or direct me to a good tutorial on C++ set object? I have a piece of simple code like this: #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main() { cout << "Hello world!" << endl; int a = 5; int b = 9; int c = a & b; cout << c; char se...

18:18
But the set in this code is apparently different than the set in this reference?
user1804599
@user3183756 No.
> Sorry if my question is newbie
@user3183756 Over my dead body
@user3183756 I don't think anyone here has.
@user3183756 I've considered doing so. Just need a little surgery to remove my ethics first.
once you realize what this does I'm guessing you will groan
`template<class _1, class _2> _1 _(_2 _3){ return (_1)_3;}`
18:29
lol :)
@JerryCoffin You have ethics? Puh-lease.
@user3183756 yup
@EtiennedeMartel speak for yourself
@GlennTeitelbaum Hence my "don't think". I stand corrected.
@GlennTeitelbaum ;p
@EtiennedeMartel Seriously? You consider me an unethical person? I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised by that.
18:32
@JerryCoffin I wasn't serious.
@EtiennedeMartel He wasn't serious either.
It was quite obviously banter
You two are funny sometimes
We're incredibly funny at any given time.
Sure, time you've given away. To some other chat room.
Many years ago, a Russian programmer made the news for stealing code from Goldman, he was my replacement - he stole my code
18:33
@GlennTeitelbaum You suck at securing your code
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, I checked it into source control, as an employee he was supposed to have access
@GlennTeitelbaum Aleynikov, right? You know his conviction was overturned?
I think @JerryCoffin is the funniest :)
yup, they charged him with the wrong thing
He could use some English lessons
> I strongly believe that this is a vindictive action by government against me in their attempt to punish me even further based on a wrongful allegation of a crime I didn't commit, for which I already had spent a year in prison before the justice prevailed and I was fully acquitted by the Second Circuit (see Acquittal Order), which reversed my conviction the same day the appellate panel heard oral arguments.
18:38
he also should understand - you were proven to have done X, we charged you with something for which X isn't covered, we shoud have charged you with Z and you'd still be in jail, because you were a bad boy and couldn't understand my code anyways
and was going to a $1.2m/yr job so fuck him anyway
@GlennTeitelbaum done
@GlennTeitelbaum Maybe your code was too shit.
hmm, why do you think they offered him so much:
A) he's that good
B) they wanted that code
he was making a fraction of that before
was he as good as me?
yeah $400k
18:40
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what's the good in having self?
@Jefffrey that's my next question don't steal it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nobody is as good as you - the only reason they keep changing the standard is to keep up with your brilliance
@GlennTeitelbaum true. was he almost half as good as me?
would any good programmer consider stealing code?
@GlennTeitelbaum for $1.2m/yr? er, yes.
(no)
I wonder what the code did
18:43
hello world
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so you asked how to implement a PHP self and... you don't even know why?
you surprise me everyday
@Jefffrey I do know why I asked
that's not the same as what you said a minute ago up there ^
hehe gotcha:
@dyp: Yes, I know. (I was referring to his compiler, specifically. That version. I have now clarified my comment.) It's discussed at length in the duplicate I linked, too, including in the accepted answer, from November last year, by me. :D — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
funny thing is, I didn't even realise I'd answered the dup until I started checking the contents of it for evidence against @dyp
@Jefffrey It's his selfless attitude to life.
18:49
That's the one!
Giving lonely repz a home
@EtiennedeMartel Not to be argumentative, but more like "the beginning of an attempt at a port."
Er, I mean, opening the minds of intellectuals
> (HORRIFIC) Features that are not currently supported:
> - WebKit
user406009
Why do people feel the need to do everything in JS. It's a crap language.
@Lalaland Just sayin'.
JS is actually not that bad a language.
@Lalaland Because it's so widespread (though I'll admit, the exact point of hosting html rendering in a browser escapes me).
18:52
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A: C++ constexpr error statement showing error

SomaOSAs already told you, it is not supported on VS. You can see at this link a list of featured supported by the compilers: http://wiki.apache.org/stdcxx/C++0xCompilerSupport

what a twat
actually, the answer is wrong never mind
Let's Lounge that.
well, technically the OP seems to like it
oh wait nevermind
oh wait, nevermind the nevermind
never all the minds
@EtiennedeMartel heh
@Jefffrey the OP doesn't have a clue
someone's upvoting it
aaaaaand a wild upvote appears
Someone thought "accept" means "it's probably right".
the OP is so confused
> marked as duplicate by Lounge<C++>
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@Jefffrey is OP Pawnguy7?
he is repetitively accepting and unaccepting it
@Borgleader we usually don't like to talk about him
@Jefffrey why not =/
18:59
something bad must have happened to him

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