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00:07
John ton Neumann did a lot of stuff
s/ton/von/
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A: Flags in chat are defective by design

PopsI've been thinking about this issue for several weeks now, and I recently got my hands on 120 days worth of actual chat flag data. The data covered all cases where at least two people found a message flag-worthy (including the original flagger) and at least one person thought the flag was not val...

00:23
> I think it would be a good idea to ban a user from flagging (in chat) if the user has had more than 3+ invalid/useless flags.
^ +1
great that he went to obtain evidence, and probably spent a while on it too
but I don't see that it tells us anything useful
meanwhile, wtf:
> (five agrees in a row would immediately delete, but three agrees, then four disagrees, then four more agrees wouldn't)
is that really how it works?
7 - 4 = 3
assuming trigger is 5
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yep. It's when the counter hits +5.
then it's not enough
"meh" votes are -1/2 I think.
00:26
1000005 vs 1000000
-> close :D
"meh" == "not sure" ?
is @JerryCoffin around?
that's fucked. it shouldn't matter who sees the flag icon first and has the strongest wrist
it's about opinion, not speed. christ on a bike.
or anyone, really
How do I return a float with CDECL calling convention? :/
What do you know, I actually got a response for a chat question in meta..
00:32
@BartekBanachewicz He was here not so long ago
> As a result, x86 programs compiled for different operating system platforms and/or by different compilers can be incompatible, even if they both use the cdecl convention and do not call out to the underlying environment
FOR FUCKS SAKE
GOD FUCKING FUCKSHIT FUCKBALLS
oh... I can't count
thanks @StackedCrooked for the arithmetic. genuinely :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what? don't tell me you are feeling bad now.
yeah. hard to type on mobile chat anyway. also it's late. bye!
@BartekBanachewicz Intel is nice.
00:50
@EtiennedeMartel ffdsfsafgadsgf
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Look like I'm gonna need dat buffer2d_view.
Journalism was a thing once.
garfdfdfad @ScottW
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01:08
@ScarletAmaranth Psst. I need some help making a RayTracer camera. :O
@BartekBanachewicz you working on anything lately?
@Borgleader FDSFDASFadfda fa x8 assembly
For work or ?
@Borgleader uni
01:11
@ThePhD which part?
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Some kind of fast mutex, apparently.
if they'd called "fmutex" i probably wouldve guessed it
but futex nope
I'm trying to follow the whole 'chat flag' converstaion, and was curious, if you are banned from one room, you are banned from all chat?
01:18
yes
So then it doesn't make sense to have room specific protocols for banning, it should be obvious what is abusive or spam, independant of room, and looking at this room, everyone is assumed to be adult, so what is all the fuss about?
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I think
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for fun
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I want to make an ASCII Renderer
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That gets tied to a console window.
user3010322
01:28
That'd be fun.
01:48
@Borgleader A fast mutex -- specifically, a mutex that's in shared memory, so a number of processes can manipulate the mutex without switching to kernel mode like a normal mutex requires.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm here now.
@JerryCoffin I kinda figured it out
trying to debug now
@BartekBanachewicz '
@BartekBanachewicz 'kay.
@JerryCoffin basically _cdecl and float suckage
02:14
@ThePhD using central or parallel projection?
Hello, I'm having a bit of an issue understanding something (it's theory, not coding) networking related, it's kind of a basic question
? pretty sure you've reached the wrong room :)
And with that I bid you all good night
@melak47 wanna see my spiffy JSON <-> OData mappings? It's still a bit rough, but it has potential
02:36
Is this really that bad a solution for all the questions that the OP just needs a debugger for?
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A: How to handle debug-my-code-for-me questions

Glenn TeitelbaumUntil a solution is found - I have entered this question and will be flagging "debug" questions as a dup of it How do i debug my code to find why a variable is wrong or a function isn't called? Please feel free to help and provide answers

03:08
hullo
@LucDanton hello
@ScarletAmaranth hello
03:36
I don’t know whether point of instantiation rules apply for alias templates, let’s check.
Casual browsing doesn’t find anything.
I'm quite bored and don't know what to do with this new found boredom.
Bake delicious things.
You can make cheese! Needs some cheesecloth though.
Put on a nice album and go for a nice trip to the Amazonian rainforest shower.
@Rapptz "new found boredom" sounds like a good name for some band. :)
@Rapptz You’re not telling us which of my amazing suggestions you’re going with.
Neither :(
though shower sounds like a swell idea
New Found Glory (formerly A New Found Glory) is an American rock band from Coral Springs, Florida, formed in 1997. The band currently consists of Jordan Pundik (vocals), Chad Gilbert (guitar), Ian Grushka (bass) and Cyrus Bolooki (drums). Longtime guitarist and lyricist Steve Klein departed from the band, in late 2013, following "personal differences." During their lengthy recording career, the band have released seven studio albums, one live album, three EPs, and three cover albums. Emerging as part of the second wave of pop punk in the late 1990s, music critics consider them a key pi...
03:46
@Rapptz yes ;)
it was the first thing that came to mind when I said it too
write some code, simple
I wish I could be writing code right nao, but I have some studying to do
TIL Coming Home only had 1 single.
That album had a lot of nice songs
@Rapptz I was thinking you had already showered and would be going for the cheesemaking by default. Note that you can make cheese out of the whey from making milk, dawg.
You know, I actually don't like cheese that much.
Well. Depends on the cheese and how it's prepared.
03:52
What about cottage cheese nicely spread on bread?
not really :v
Oh. Um I think you can make paneer or perhaps even mozzarella, but beyond that it’s advanced cheesemaking.
yeah, like the cheese with maggots in it
People really do misunderstand C++'s type safety.
03:59
Any type safety that requires programmer discipline isn’t any kind of safety.
Perhaps they're doing the mistake of comparing it with other different type system paradigms.
@MarkGarcia or failing to use it
such as, using int instead of meters
@MooingDuck That's sadly true. Javaizing (new) objects where not necessary and stuff.
Yo guys that’s not type safety.
@LucDanton that's exactly the problem
04:04
@LucDanton Well, type safety also covers object handling. More so in C++, with constructors/destructors.
@MarkGarcia As fast as C++ - works with any C# code - why would anyone use C# any more?
@GlennTeitelbaum they say C# is faster than C++ code already
"they"
@GlennTeitelbaum M# is (as reported) an extension to C#, and the blog posts linked say an C#-esque language is favored instead of C++.
@MooingDuck Is it? The type system of C++ is lacking either way. Does it matter so much that someone tripped over themselves when choosing what flaw to expose, as long as they’re all flaws?
@LucDanton I'm reading the wikipedia page on type safety to try to figure out if we're on the same page
04:10
well, the implicit conversions are problematic, but in place because of C, this doesn't mean though that the type system of C++ is "lacking"
‘Are there programs that are well-typed, but still incorrect?’ To which the answer is typically ‘yes’, but it’s interesting to see to what extent.
@ScarletAmaranth It means exactly that.
For speed I was looking at the graph where they put M# in the same line as C++/C++11 for performance - I also like how they put Java close to C# for performance. My experience has been ...C#.......|......Java..C++
the problem is that there is "no way to fix it" really
@ScarletAmaranth he's aware. That doesn't make it "good"
@GlennTeitelbaum There are enough differences in implementation (e.g., Java's concurrent GC vs. .NET's generational scavenger) that almost any such comparison can vary widely depending on how you use things.
04:13
To clarify: reaching absolute type safety is (typically) not a goal. If you’re comfortable with the spot C++ is in, argue that. Don’t do it the other way around and try to twist ‘type safe’ post facto so that it matches C++.
fair point
That said, throwing JavaScript into the same graph makes it much easier to shove C#, C++ and Java fairly close to each other (IMO, probably the whole reason JS is there, since it's basically not discussed at all).
If someone is pretending that you can always pile on more type safety without regret ask them about dependent typing. And show them a program if need be.
@JerryCoffin - lol, notice that I said my experience and skipped JS. It is also the experience of many of the people I know, but we tend to have similar usage, so that will skew things.
I think it’s also unfair to wave the graph around out of context lol. From what I remember, the axes are very handwavy. The equivalent of a conversation starter at the bar, so to speak.
04:19
which is why I use the shootout
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@LucDanton dependent typing goes in the direction of dynamic typing though, right?
Xeo
Xeo
wasn't that about types depending on runtime values?
The type checker does all its work statically. The compiler/runtime doesn’t need to instrument anything.
@Xeo Yeah, and I was misled by that as well.
Xeo
Xeo
I'm very confused on how that works
04:24
A typical example of the value of DT is that you can type empty containers differently from non-empty containers, and have functions like ‘fetch first element’ operate on the latter only.
Xeo
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@StackedCrooked G-senjou no Maou is another VN for your list
@Xeo A lot of case analysis / induction. Also proofs (which is the part where I’m getting scared a lot.)
the problem is that dependent types are nigh impossible to implement if I understood an article I read a while ago correctly
@ScarletAmaranth Those challenges are what really encourages me to learn how to hack into clang, though sadly, I still haven't even modified any of its examples. :(
@MarkGarcia it would be much easier to incorporate it into an entirely new language rather then trying to glue it onto C++ :)
04:32
@BartekBanachewicz ^^^
@ScarletAmaranth Then we'll really not know if we'll not try. ;)
@ScarletAmaranth I have to agree -- C++ is only a reasonable starting point if you're going to retain at least, say, 95% compatibility with existing code.
it's difficult for imperative languages in general... but yeah, dependent types, while cool, kinda impractical in sense they're difficult to incorporate (and implement) - and what you get from dependent typing is probably not worth the effort
that said, it would be really interesting to see what programming is like with the existence of pitypes
After seeing every single person in my class who asks me for help have unnecessary endls, I've gotten tired of trying to point it out.
It appears I'll receive a key for Broken Age's first act tomorrow.
04:48
for some reason, some C++ programmers refuse to use '\n'
"it's so C" - which is bullshit
(not to mention they do two different things)
It's just because we did C last term, and everyone did Java before then, and the lecture slides had endl instead of '\n'
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@ScarletAmaranth Uh
user3010322
I, uh. Don't know?
I requested the prof at least mention it, even if it's a course where we implement things in C++, not learn C++.
@ScarletAmaranth Not exactly. endl inserts a \n then flushes the stream.
04:51
@EtiennedeMartel which is different
Which unfortunately ends up in us making C implementations of linked lists and stuff until the very end.
So it's not really different.
Doesnt it add \r\n on windows?
@MooingDuck Yes, yes, I know.
@Borgleader That's the underlying stream's job.
@Borgleader, '\n' expands to the proper newline.
04:51
@Borgleader not always
@EtiennedeMartel Seems to me like "flushes" is different from "doesn't flush".
I shouldn't say expands. That's a bad word.
@JerryCoffin Forgot I'm in Pedant Town.
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@JerryCoffin Thank you for your answer to my question :)
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@ScarletAmaranth Learning either would be sexy. :D
04:58
@Borgleader Surely.
@EtiennedeMartel Learn you a little pedant for great good uselessness.

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