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10:04
@ScottW Servus
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@Klasik wtf
@rightfold yes?
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What does that even mean?
@rightfold what are you mean?
If I want to make a pull request do I have to fork it first or can i do it from a clone?
10:22
@JohanLarsson fork
ok I'll fork, more questions will come :D
or perhaps I should find a tutorial
Is a fork a temporary thing, fork per feature?
@JohanLarsson What do you mean by? You can always update your fork to the original repo state.
So the fork is supposed live for a long time?
You can delete it after your pull request is done.
ok, I'll play around some :)
Pull request done meaning I created it or it got accepted/rejected?
10:33
@JohanLarsson I would say both is a valid outcome^^. Though, if it got rejected, your probably wanna work on it and improve it somehow.
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@ScottW lol
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Hmm.
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Is it possible to run Google Chrome on a computer without GUI? I want to run a cronjob which fills in an HTML form and submits it on a server.
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The fuckers in question don’t document their API.
10:42
Created the pull request now, probably messed up :)
is there a way to see edit summarys that are truncated on SO?
Xeo
Xeo
Mornin
HI all
I'm new to programming, and I have a question..
Is there a logic behind nested loops?
what?
oh, @Lightness! a noob wants your help
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10:58
@SabTheCoder That question makes as much sense as this one does.
Hmm, I don't know what classes are yet. Just having a hard time with nested loops for now
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What do you want to do?
I want to understand it
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Maybe nested loops are not the best solution for your problem.
I see some questions like, make a diamond shape
or whatever, it's stupid to make these but it's hard as well
11:01
@SabTheCoder just use std::cout << " o \n ooo \nooooo\n ooo \n o \n";
It won't be practical if I want to make 1000 lines
not really
I don't care about the diamond, that's a stupid thing to do imo but it requires some understanding of the nested loops and that's what bothers me
Can't figure it out
well you know, recently it was discovered that programmers shouldn't write raw loops. use algorithms instead. like std::make_diamond(size);
11:05
> CsCliWrapper.cpp(25): error C3767: 'CppCliWrapper::CppCliWrapper': candidate function(s) not accessible
:E
my default constructor works, but I have another one...and that's not accessible? :(
What about the guys who write the methods? @abyx
dunno. who cares
I do. How can I use it without knowing how it works?
everyone use things without knowing how they work
Yeah, but that's not my point. I need to understand nested loops, which is mandatory
11:09
uhm well that sucks then.
maybe you should search for a tutorial, like "learn nested loops in 21 seconds"
public ref class CppCliWrapper {
public:
    CppCliWrapper();
    CppCliWrapper(CppImpl *ptr); //not accessible in C++/CLI, why? :(
/* ... */
}
If I get a solid tutorial I can learn it in 12 seconds
does anyone here know C++/CLI? :E
@melak47 that error message didn't say the signature, so maybe it can't find another ctor
@melak47 msdn does.
@Abyx there's only those two, and if I use the default one it works
11:13
@melak47 try struct instead of class
hmm, still inaccessible
++++++++[>+>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++>+++++‌​++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++>++++++++++++++++‌​<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>>++.--<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+.-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>‌​>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>.<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--.++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-.+<<‌​<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>++.--<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>‌​>>>>+++.---<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>+.-<<<<.
I used to write some C++/CLI and IIRC it has same rules as C++
@Abyx apparently it doesn't like the pointer argument. If I take a size_t instead, and err cough cast the pointer cough, it works.
@melak47 use IntPtr then
11:17
@Abyx myeah robot mentioned that. Guess I should have listened :D
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@melak47 ugh make it explicit. :(
@rightfold would it help?
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Yes, by preventing other bugs.
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No implicit conversions.
@rightfold you know, I'd say "move { to new line", but for some reason I didn't.
11:19
what's gonna implicitly convert to CppImpl* ?
@Abyx I moved it up there to make the snippet shorter :p
dunno. he's just a moron. it won't convert unless something accepts CppCliWrapper by value, but it's can't happen 'cuz it's goddamn ref class
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@Abyx I’m helping him write better code, not worse code.
@rightfold those rules doesn't apply to C++/CLI.
because class != ref class
@SabTheCoder ++++++++[>+>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++>+++++‌​++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++>++++++++++++++++‌​<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<‌​>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>++.--<<<<<‌​<<>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>+.-<<<<<‌​<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+++.---<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>‌​>>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>--.++<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>‌​>>>>>>>>++.--<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--.++<<<<‌​<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<‌​>>>>>>--.++<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>+++.---<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>‌​>>>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<>>>>>>>--.++<<<<<<<>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<‌​>>>>>>>+.-<<<<<<<>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---.+++<<<<<<<>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<>>>>>>++.--‌​<<<<<<>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<.
%)
please bin yourself
11:29
brainfuck?
JBL
JBL
Binfuck.
11:50
TIL people don't know about sequence points in the workplace
C programmers are terrible more at 11
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It’s almost 13.
it works :D
oh no, my enthusiasm killed chat ._.
12:10
No it's screenshots of code
@gnzlbg cool
reminds me to buy an air mattress ... ground is uneven, even with 2-3 layers of blankets/quilts
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/083dfdc4990542d0
0:20 remaining...
Leet o'clock
@Telkitty Why are you not in bed at home? Have the massive avian marauders driven you out of your own house?
12:40
@MartinJames Car camping ... with my large 4WD & 3 fat persons tent, accommodation in the caravan park only cost $15 a night ... cherry picking tomorrow. <3<3<3 camping
Nothing beats the awesome feeling of your tent might get blown away on a windy night
Who wants to live in a house ... it is so ... boring :x Roll in the muddy ground! Just like the piglets do!
@rightfold fixed to always countdown to the next deadline: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/00af879087d0ac38
@Telkitty car? it's too easy. carry that tent, food and other stuff on yourself
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@sehe ok
23:48:59 remaining...
12:48
@Abyx I love that too! But it is summer - too warm & too many snakes :x
@Abyx Yeah, also, if you do get muddy, you end up with a cheap camping break followed by a $$$ car valet:(
..or, probably, in Australia, a permanently-muddy car:)
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I don’t understand how people can write inconsistently formatted code.
You mean line 20
I get it: it's a quick and dirty. Had I ever looked at it twice, it would have been fixed :_)
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I was not talking about your code.
ok
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12:52
But this abomination:
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$this->CI-> db->insert('mv_refresh_token', array( 'token' => $token , '$authResult->refresh_token' => time()));
@MartinJames Once I saw a car on the road, I went like 'damn that car is dirtier than mine' ... then I thought to myself 'I have not been able to say that for quite a while' :'(
Maybe about mine? I get exposed to a lot of other devs. code, so may own formatting tends to 'wobble'.
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I don’t even understand how the author cannot see this and think “hmm, I wrote myself some pretty ugly code here; let’s fix it.”
@rightfold Formatting isn't the problem there
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12:53
@sehe The entire file is like this.
It's a sign of copy/paste programming.
The logic being: it's a program, it's done when it "works"
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Also, mv_refresh_token is a non-existent relation and not mentioned in any migration.
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I don’t even.
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Oh, this is dead code. :|
@Telkitty There is certainly that view - once you accept that your car is going to be muddy/dirty, at least you know what to expect and the valeting bills are zero:)
12:55
@MartinJames I use the newspaper + rain combination ... low cost alternative :x
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@sehe it doesn’t work. :D
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It talks to an API which somehow returns 400 Bad Request for every API call.
TBH, once the UK/Oz/US chip-wrappers, mud/sand, gun-oil has taken hold, you may as well give up.
@rightfold You mean you made 400 bad API requests:)
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lol
@rightfold I've done it myself - opened the wrong table on a remote DB and left my app running. The error log was something to behold...
1.2GB of error messages.. Maybe a record?
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13:04
The best thing is that this API just returns 400 Bad Request with an empty body and no further error messages whatsoever.
@MartinJames I'm sure MSVC can beat that.
just turn on /Wall, /Werror, and include something :p
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It also returns 400 Bad Request when you attempt to insert a product that already exists, instead of 409 Conflict.
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It always returns either 200 OK or 400 Bad Request, and the body is always empty in the latter case.
@rightfold Some evil cow-worker has swapped-out your lib with one that does exactly that - returns '400 Bad Request' for anything:)
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Good luck swapping out libcurl on my own computer.
13:07
:)
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What is a cow-worker? A farmer?
My brother-in-law is an actual cow-worker: contract dairy farmer. Gets good £££ for filling-in for sickness and holidays.
@rightfold export LD_PRELOAD=bla in /etc/default.rc
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In OS X. Right.
13:23
lol, accommodation might only be $15, petrol $ is almost $100 for the return trip. With that said, I am off to ... rolling in the mud :x DIE! ROCK UNDER MY BED YOU DIE NOW AND BREAK INTO A MILLION TINY PIECES!!! (too much butterscotch flavoured whiskeys >_<)
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Life sucks. I’m ragequitting.
@Telkitty 'butterscotch flavoured whiskeys' - you sure you're Australian?
@rightfold Ragequitting life seems a bit extreme for a lib API problem. Try the Telkitty approach first - find some alcohol.
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I need a military-grade coil gun and a 15kg iron bullet that I can shoot at Mach 18 into the office of the company of the fuckers who made this shitty API.
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It’s the only thing they deserve.
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Or a mass beheading.
13:31
@rightfold I hope it wasn't me...
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And I want their families to look at them while they are being beheaded.
TBH, I don't understand why terrorists insist on using guns and bombs when they could just write mega-suckage API's instead.
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Saw would be a good treatment.
OK, I sorta get that you're having 'issues' with that lib...
user1804599
More with the company who releases it.
13:39
Call, or kidnap, their tech. support person?
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Well, if you want support you better pay a thousand euros (sic) for a consultant to visit you for four hours.
@rightfold They deserve quality?
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They deserve death.
Consider it done.
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They are still alive. vOv
13:43
Quite a delivery delay though, it's busy times for internet orders
@rightfold Prove it
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The API is still in production.
Well, that's good! They designed for robustness
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I would love it when the API goes down for eons or when they lose all their data or something.
OK, kidnap then. I can see it now - a deserted garage somewhere with the tech. chained to a chair, in front of a laptop connected to a huge pile of explosives and a timer with a big display, counting down. A note, assembled from letters cut out from magazines, reads, 'THE BOMB CAN ONLY BE DISABLED BY YOUR API CALLS'..
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Or that huge stone that landed in Russia. I want such a thing to happen to their office on Monday at ten o’clock in the morning.
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13:45
It would be hilarious.
@rightfold Nice of you to allow them time for coffee before their office is disintegrated.
I read some a feministic article
Now I literally feel dumber.
> It's not just annoying and inconvenient; man hand-designed phones are actually interfering with women's ability to be journalists.
I mean, seriously?
Check you hair in a mirror - are you turning blonde?
Those people are so fucking dumb.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
13:54
@BartekBanachewicz I'm guessing that they did not say anything when it was fashionable for phones to be small, with tiny buttons that had to be pressed with a fingernail?
@MartinJames They're apparently giving whole new meaning to "hypocrisy"
@BartekBanachewicz If they think there's a market, they can design their own fucking phone. Morons..
@MartinJames haha I wouldn't accuse anyone of them of using reason
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe there is indeed a market for a special 'JournoPhone'. It's browser would automatically reject any attempt to verify any claims or rumours.
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I’ve decided not to murder anyone but instead better the world by releasing a competing product.
14:04
@rightfold By the sound of it, it should be easy. If it returns a correct result from just one call, it's better than the competition.
grumble grumble grumble
gotta love those days when you're just in a pissy mood and feel like kicking a puppy
hey
puppies don't like being kicked
or a toddler, that'd work too
@jalf Why not go to visit @rightfold's library developer - work out your frustrations in a cooperative manner? Take weapons.
14:33
@Bartek Why don't you come to the js room anymore? we miss you :(
Bartek, your people need you! ;)
Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger....
vim vim :)
@BadgerGirl Doesn't work as well as the original:)
Hi vim, I love using you.
14:44
@BadgerGirl Do all js immigrants use DEC VT100 9.6Kb serial terminals? :)
I don't do js, I'm just there for my friends.
@BadgerGirl 'I don't do js' - OK, sounds good:)
Bartek hurry up, you know how scared I am of your people.
@BadgerGirl Poles?
C++ loungers
14:47
I'm happy as long as they bring vodka:)
@BadgerGirl No need to be scared of us, (unless you ask software questions:)
So far it's been safe.
TBH, I don't use C++ as my primary language either. I use it on my embedded work but, otherwise, mostly Delphi.
..but Banana, Cat, Puppy, Robot, Melak, Etienne etc. in here are, err... 'entertaining', (mostly).
I wish Cat was my friend. Cats are my favorite animals.
@BadgerGirl The cat is OK, mod. the occasional furball.
Bartek is my best friend.
14:53
@BadgerGirl Oh, I'm so sorry.. :)
I painted my nails with little bananas on them.
LOLLOL!
Anyway, I gotta go - it's Soccer Saturday in the UK. BFN!
Have fun, vim.
Next time I will paint my nails like your face.
@MartinJames We have a Banana?
@rightfold OS X has something similar IIRC.
15:17
@BadgerGirl We must not let this continue! Our reputation will be ruined unless we have you cowering in fear within 30 seconds. Um....I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hampster and your father was a [ummm...sorry, I can't remember the rest of the line, but you should feel really insulted anyway!]
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Just opened up a hard disk.
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Those magnets are nice.
I use them to pin stuff to my pinboard
@Jerry :( bye
> Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
TIL
15:29
@BadgerGirl See...Monty Python is so great that even a completely garbled attempt at quoting it "is super effective!"
@StackedCrooked That was it -- thank you.
Seems like there was something about a food trough in there too, but my kids are too young to appreciate Monty Python, so I haven't watched it in quite a while...
meh, python ctypes could catch hardware exceptions, like AccessViolation
would that really be of use.
yep. interpreter wouldn't crash every time I execute wrong code
that's not really guaranteeable at all.
if the code is bad, it could corrupt the interpreter's memory.
the only way to guarantee that your process is valid is to host the potentially unsafe code in another process.
no interprocess isolation -> no safety guarantee.
15:45
well reading at invalid memory address doesn't corrupt memory.
15:57
well, there's lots of other things that can and will do that.
Just before half-time on TV soccer, Anne says 'What's a nannan?" and pointed at the on-screen game stats. The 'Shots on target' numbers for the two teams were 'NaN - NaN'. She could not understand why I burst out laughing...
@JerryCoffin Smelt of elderberries
Oh I'm slow nvm
NEVERMIND
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Yum, pizza.
Elderberry pizza?
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> BBQ sauce, mozzarella, kebabs, chorizo, ground beef, ham & bacon
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16:05
No idea what chorizo is but I think it will taste good.
loungers
@rightfold It does - it's a sort spicy sausage thing, like pepperoni but, IIRC, Spanish.
@EtiennedeMartel: The problem with those stats is less with their age than their definition. It looks like they're based on the US FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting statistics. The FBI defines rape as: "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will". Based on that, the victim should be female in 100% of the cases.
Also note that the link above leads to more recent rape stats, in case anybody actually cares though.
@nightcracker Look everybody, Leisure Suit Larry is back! [Not sure why that occurred to me just now, but ...]
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@MartinJames nice :3
16:24
@JerryCoffin Wait. Does that mean that, according to that definition, I'm right and @Rapptz is wrong?
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't follow back through enough of the discussion to be sure of the positions you were arguing.
Well, I was my usual white knight self and he played devil's advocate.
(As always)
this is still a topic
@EtiennedeMartel That doesn't really say much. Was your position that women are the victims in essentially all rape, and his was that the percentage of male victims was higher than that?
@JerryCoffin I was saying that most rape victims are female. His point was that most instances of rape are not reported.
@EtiennedeMartel In that case, I'd say you're entirely correct, and he's probably largely correct as well. Trying to come up with numbers for what percentage of rape isn't reported is obviously a lot more difficult though. In fact, there are undoubtedly a lot of cases (e.g., people were intoxicated) in which the people involved may be somewhat uncertain about exactly what happened, not to mention the degree to which whatever did or didn't happen was voluntary.
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Yum, pizza.
There are almost certainly a lot of both type I and type II errors associated with reports of rape. That said, I think claiming that "most" instances go unreported is probably a bit of an exaggeration. That can come back to how you define things too though. Some feminists claim that all sexual intercourse is rape...
16:48
Rogue Legacy is not very easy
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> Please re-enter your password.
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WTF Google.
@JerryCoffin WTF the FBI defines rape using the words "carnal knowledge"?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup--that was CnPed from their web page.
17:14
#include <beer.h>
@Domecraft 'Error 0126 Include File coorsLite.h not found in <beer.h>'
@Domecraft #include <WINe.h>
Fixed it: #include <water.h>
@JerryCoffin that might actually be a library
@GamesBrainiac ...but not an emulator.
17:23
How is this?
Snakey!
I was trying to make it.. interactive.
@JerryCoffin tu che
@Pawnguy7 Maybe it's just years of writing documentation for idiots lawyers, but I'd specifically point out: "walls are black. If your snake runs into a wall, it will die.", "Food is yellow. Running into food will give you points and make your snake grow."
Sarcasm or serious?
17:32
@Pawnguy7 It is what I'd probably do, though I'm not saying you necessarily should.
It's WIP. My snake has been a WNIP:( I'll have another go at it tomorrow.
@JerryCoffin Ah. I like to think it would be fairly intuitive, but it is hard to say - I have been giving meaning to colored rectangles for months. It might be nonsensical for everybody else.
Say, maybe they look at it more like abstract art at first.
@MartinJames WNIP?
@Pawnguy7 Keep in mind that (like I said) I mostly wrote documentation for attorneys, who are experts at misinterpretation, given even the slightest chance.
@Pawnguy7 'Work Not In Progress' :(
18:09
Daisy desperately scratched and clawed until I let her sleep on my lap.
@DeadMG Daisy desperately demanding doggy digs.
my parents
eating fish and chips.
fuckers.
I'm so hungry and I already ate too much today.
@DeadMG Where "too much" is "anything at all"? :/
nah, I can usually get away with 2 pieces of toast, with a little honey.
ah
still no closer to figuring out what it is, and what can be done about it?
18:18
nah
I have another doctor's appointment on Monday and he will recommend me to go and see a gastroenterologist who will hopefully be a little more creative.
Dopey Daisy dreams despite DeadMG deeply desiring dusted donuts.
instead of the more efficient just sending me to the gastroenterologist
18:35
dafuq. windows told me to activate, so I did, now my mom called me that now her windows is no longer activated...now I tried to switch it back, used the other win7 x64 sp1 key on my machine, but she still can't activate hers
I hope I can be forgiven for pointing it out, and don't sound too much like a loudmouth red-neck for saying it, but as this approaches 2 years with no resolution in sight, I have to wonder about the wisdom of instituting any sort of public health care in the US. Yes, I know it's well short of comprehensive evidence, and all of that. Nonetheless, it's (by far) the case with which I have the most familiarity, and it sure doesn't strike me as a great sales pitch for the system.
now my mom is trying to activate with the phone robot :/
@JerryCoffin Documentation for what, exactly?
@MartinJames ah. What feature do you plan next?
@JerryCoffin "haha, there's a loop hole in your documentation! hat means I can interpret this however I like and then complain when it doesn't work!"
@Pawnguy7 The more appropriate question would be "of what". Mostly of whether some product seems to include all the steps included in a patent claim (i.e., from a technical viewpoint, seems likely to infringe that patent).
18:41
@JerryCoffin Approaches three years.
two years was last Christmas.
@DeadMG Yeah, I noticed the typo just after it was too late to edit.
besides
there are a number of realities
I'm not a high priority because I'm not gonna have a heart attack tomorrow if untreated
and public health was much more about saving money (as in, cutting the national expenditure on health in half) and reliability rather than raw quality.
Endless pointless redirection doesn't sound good in any case.
and finally
a good chunk of the problem is that I live in a swamp where there's very few facilities or staff.
I'd probably be in a very different bucket if I lived in London.
Can you not be rerouted there?
18:45
what, London?
are you kidding?
the swamp is hundreds of miles from there.
why do you live in a swamp in the middle of nowhere :D
I don't know where the swamp is :D
it's obviously not good for your health :p
18:46
well, I prefer not to specify where the swamp is.
but you can take my word for it that it's a very long way from anywhere.
about as remote as it gets
anyways, we didn't used to live in a swamp, we moved here.
In my observations.
If there is nobody specialized enough to treat you locally.
You would move up the chain, so to speak.
one of my father's relatives was dying of cancer and she had nobody else to take care of her, and my parents are the kind who like to tramp around swamps and call it good fun.
so we moved away from "Not exactly the center of civilisation but not really that far from it" to swamp.
Have you seen my audio code?
@Pawnguy7 You do. They just don't have many people up the chain. And gastrointestinal diseases do not present with wildly different symptoms.
no.
Had things like enums for sounds.
But to add a sound, I need to change three different places.
Feels wrong for some reason.
18:52
yes, it is wrong.
Well, that, and editing the sound file basically rebuilds every screen.
time to refactor.
I think I can get rid of one area by doing a foreach on the enum.
And also.
The screens have much copy/paste.
For resizing, for example.
I don't know how to fix it, though.
Maybe if I had some kind of UI (like you did) which scales automatically.
it's not hard.
just rip my code.
user784668
folks
user1804599
18:55
folk
user784668
Do UNIX domain datagram sockets reorder the datagrams?
Is it correct to assume any repetition (copy paste, etc) is bad?
user1804599
Context.
user784668
APUE claims they don't.
user784668
Linux man pages claim they don't.
18:59
So they probably do

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