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04:00
@Rapptz Just pin chat's tab. It's more convenient especially for Firefox.
That doesn't excuse this step back in UX.
But we have to justify paying the designers for full time!
At least the SE team would get a great deal of beating from users if they screw badly.
They always tell people to suck it up
They screw badly pretty consistently
Why is this change even happening, last one wasn't even a year ago
04:01
Change for the sake of change...
I'm convinced they were bored and the designer needed a salary.
Pretty much
@Mysticial YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN STOP READING MY MIND
@CatPlusPlus What did I do?
there lies path of insanit
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Oh
ahaha
04:04
Everytime SE gets a new change in UX I always have to modify a userscript to make it better :|
FWIW, I can actually confirm that Jon Skeet is indeed the real name of a Google employee in London.
That only proves you're in on the conspiracy
:tinfoil:
@Mysticial Did you really name your son "Robert'); DROP TABLE
His corporate profile pictures are not like his SO profile picture.
I don't get how this site switcher thing is a good idea.
04:06
@Mysticial Maybe working at Google has taken a toll on his youth
I really think only very few people even switch between SE sites
SE is totally not a bunch of unrelated sites
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A: The new top bar is out on meta. Consider it a beta

KevinPlease add back the profile-hover-quick-view thingy: I actively use it to monitor the day/week/month rep, rep breakdown, and UTC time. The quick link to privileges is nice too, when I need to check/link to them.

@MarkGarcia not quite
04:07
they removed that too?
That was like my most used thing
Just remember that touch screen users can't "hover". — chue x 3 hours ago
Holy fuck.
AhahAhahAHahhahAhahahah
Sound the frogsirens, we have touchscreen users that cannot hover
(Which is also not true, but given SE's competence wrt mobile interfaces, I would be not surprised at all)
I miss the old bar tbh.
> Not to mention that it hurts my UX sensibilities that we are dynamically changing links in an element that should be fixed.
You don't have any UX sensibilities hth
I don't really care either way, as long as they don't try to "fix" chat interface
We already have one completely broken UI for chat!
I preferred the old hover over my name thing
Also I can't get over how terrible the contrast on this thing is
"UX" my ass, you can't even see those fucking icons
04:19
It reminds me of Bootstrap 3.0
Dark grey on near black is not very visible! Who knew!
(Not SE team)
@Rapptz Maybe someone saw Bootstrap 3 and thought "since it works for fairly big text, it will also work for tiny icons"
That envelope looks kinda like a telephone
I don't know what the other one is supposed to be
Not to mention that it doesn't even fit the rest of the site
there's an envelope?
That inbox icon
mine looks like a mail tray
I don't know, it's tiny, shitty and nearly invisible
04:23
I seriously don't know what the hell the other one is supposed to represent
It's not any metaphor for "achievements" I've ever seen
I believe it's supposed to be a bar graph showing progress, either way it's pretty lame
It's a bar graph with a line graph with a very large data points above it, if you zoom 1000x
But seriously that "UX sensibilities" sentence is really funny
"Why do I have to do two clicks to get to the main site?"
"Just suck it up and get used to it!"
Because we need a new useless feature!
I mean, who needs that
Apart from mods, who switches SE sites so often, they need a dedicated UI element for it
04:27
seriously have no idea
(And they don't already have bookmarks or whatever)
With omnibars and shit, you just start typing the name in your address bar, and get the exact same thing
I've never asked myself, "Wow, I sure wish it was easier to switch sites in SE"
This is completely useless!
Yeah and their sorting function sucks when you type in the search bar.
It's not by name, it's by description. Pretty moronic
This is even more useless than "favourites" functionality, which also duplicates browser features and badly
But there are people defending it for some inexplicable reason
04:29
well the favourites thing has a single use
there is really only 1 use for it
Poor man's very limited primitive bookmark sync, maybe
Not that
You can search them via infavorites:mine text
that's the only thing I know it's probably useful for
Maybe
The search is pretty bad anyway, I rarely ever use it
It's much easier to just go through Google
yeah I've never personally used it
You’re right… it really does say “achievements”. Meh, it shouldn’t do that :/ — poke 4 hours ago
We must implement GAMIFICATION EVERYWHERE
Because it's the only thing that works!
SE is really bad at this "it works here, so it'll work everywhere else" shit
They just do it constantly
04:33
@CatPlusPlus But what if it does work? muahaha
Touch screen users dislike the hover since we can't hover... — chue x 4 hours ago
This guy again..
Buy a better touchscreen, or learn to tap maybe
Also you can make this different for touchscreen users without changing the entire damn UI!
I don't have the new bar yet :)
yay
It's only on meta
It's only on meta.
04:35
STOP IT
oh, thats good
lmao
I need to get some sleep
Go get some then.
04:39
I went to get a birthday cake for my mum, ended up with a small cheesecake, a tiny coconut cake, a not so big hazelnut cake roll and a similar size chocolate cake for myself … sadness
This gfycat.com site is neat.
Still have to order the birthday cake ...
> 0x0+2 produces 4. The parser considers the 2 as both part of the hex literal and a separate decimal literal, treating this as 0x002 + 2. 0x0+0x2 displays the same problem. Strangely, 0x0 +2 is still 4, but 0x0+ 2 is correctly 2. (This is fixed in PHP 5.4. But it’s also re-broken in PHP 5.4, with the new 0b literal prefix: 0b0+1 produces 2.)
lol, this is still pretty funny
Unbreakable Machine Doll might have the best ending this season.
At 0:15 it zooms right into the boobs.
04:45
@StackedCrooked I thought it was meh...
Also, never seen that anime before. I will take a look. :o
@Nican loli boobs? goes to check...
@Mysticial nods head in shame
@Mysticial Meh. You can do better than that.
That show is entirely loli fanservice...
So since you'd have to assume that whatever you zoomed in on would have to be a loli.
04:46
@Mysticial You said that about outbreak company as well.
Actually, you may be right about both of them.
@StackedCrooked :)
Infinite Stratos is a non-loli fanservice show.
As well as Strike the Blood.
I really like Strike the Blood.
@Nican Oh that one... That's probably the only non-loli character in the show.
However, recently I discovered Log Horizon. And it's getting really good.
I also think Strike the Blood is one of the better shows this season.
Mainly because this season kinda sucks.
04:50
I'm gonna checkout Yuushibu next.
Yeah, I'm having a hard time finding good anime this season.
Is this just another way to allocate a fixed amount of memory in C++?
`char buff_rec[12];`
std::array
std::vector<char>
So that's what this line of code is equivalent to?
for resizable buffers
@Seanny123 What @Borgleader said.
04:53
@Seanny123 yes
Huh. I was expecting it to be doing character-y things. Thanks.
This allocates memory on the stack.
std::string
@Seanny123 A character occupies one byte. So char c[10] is one way to allocate 10 bytes.
Thanks for the help guys.
04:55
He probably didn't get it and he's now gonna abuse the shit out of it.
Nah. I'm modifying someone else's code. I don't even have the oppurtunity to abuse.
In C++ you always have opportunity for abuse.
And I understand the general concept of a stack and memory allocation. I just haven't seen it in that manifestation before.
Still, better to use std::array<char, 10>.
@Seanny123 You almost never need to allocate stuff like that.
Stack is very limited. About 5 MB I think.
04:58
It's being used as a container for things being output over sockets.
Is that an appropriate use for it? Alternatively, should I be using what @MarkGarcia has mentionned?
std::array<char, 10> is identical to char c[10] afaik.
However, std::array doesn't have problems like decay etc.
And with begin() and end() methods.
Also it's easier to work with.
Though you can also use the standalone functions begin() and end(), but you need to preserve the original char[10] type.
05:01
std::array behaves like any other C++ object. native arrays don't (they are funny)
they are not funny, they suck
@Feeds I think Randall has played some Kerbal.
@StackedCrooked Thanks for the bonus knowledge. I'll keep it in mind.
@StackedCrooked eh? native arrays have loads of quirks?
they are a royal pain in the ass
actually, they are just a little odd.
05:07
@StackedCrooked I think in retrospect, std::array will be look like a prime example of the second system effect. Doing a great job of curing problems that really were problems with, say, a Pentium, but are already mostly memories.
std::array is much more intuitive to work with
apparently the Github mascot (the octocat) has an actual name
I love you luffy, you say the funniest things :)
well at least this guy just told me
and says I won't be able to find it.
05:08
@MarkGarcia But, new code should be using std::begin and std::end (which work fine on arrays).
New code should be using begin after using std::begin; :P
@JerryCoffin Or range-for.
for-example
@StackedCrooked or adl::begin :P
@StackedCrooked ...which will still use std::begin, even if it doesn't always spell it that way.
05:11
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Q: Why does octocat only have 5 legs instead of 8?

ChloeWhy does the GitHub octocat only have 5 legs instead of 8? This bothers me. http://octodex.github.com/

It might use StackedCrooked::begin
@StackedCrooked Hey luffy, do you watch The Legend of Korra?
@Potatoswatter lol
@Potatoswatter because of cuteness reasons, duh!
05:12
@GamesBrainiac I've seen a trailer. That's about it.
@StackedCrooked So, have you watched Space Brothers then?
I have ...downloaded it..
awesome.
Honestly, I think its the most awesome anime right now.
I should sleep soon. It's 6:13 AM and I normally get up at 7 AM.
I just love the characters :)
05:13
I'm in trouble..
@StackedCrooked You mean the next day, right?
You think I sleep 23 hours?
I mean 47 minutes from now I'm supposed to get up.
yikes
why do you do this to yourself?
I don't do this to myself. It happens ...automatically.
05:15
And I only slept 3 hours last night.
Dammit.
Clearly the universe is conspiring to steal your sleep.
dude, you'll end up killing yourself if you do this
@xslr paulo coehlo
Sleep deprivation doesn't kill you.
@xslr Oh hey. I added my thing to Package Control. It's.. right here: sublime.wbond.net/packages/DoxyDoc
@StackedCrooked it just drives you insane
05:16
Ok. I'll try to sleep a little now.
installing
@StackedCrooked we should ban you from here for a while, just for your own good
withdrawl symptoms incoming.
@Rapptz neat. sadly i'm rushing this one right now. no time to comment the code -_-
it's okay :P
@GamesBrainiac Ah. TIL that's where that came from.
05:21
@xslr we all learn something new here, sometimes very bizarre things.
mhm.
lol
@Rapptz you overused cool XD
Hm?
05:50
@StackedCrooked It can, eventually.
oh snap!
@MarkGarcia Yeah, I guess they want to kill .NET in the long run.
that is AMAZING
@EtiennedeMartel Might be, might not be. Not sure now if Microsoft is leaning more towards .NET or Windows Runtime.
Where Windows Runtime ~== C++/CX and libraries.
I guess let's just wait what Herb's got to say about this.
05:54
@Potatoswatter A better question would be: do people get put off eating creatures with big head to body ratio
@MarkGarcia but that would mean C# would be as fast as C++, rite?
Or am I missing something?
again, talking about the implementation not the language itself
@GamesBrainiac Things are quite vague for now, but I'm pretty sure that the trends are towards native compilation.
They might make a unified framework like .NET but for native code.
Which they've already started with Windows Runtime.
argh ... bug ... argh ... UB bug ... argh ... hidden UB in a 3000+ line code project ... argghhhhh
@MarkGarcia That seems interesting, the power of C# with the speed of native code. I feel giddy just thinking about it :)
show yourself, UB bug, stop being a coward, face your creature like a bug the way you are
06:07
@GamesBrainiac There's still the additional overhead of garbage collection and perhaps other abstractions. Modern C++ is still much better for creating native apps.
And we need modules now!
well, you'll need to wait for C++17
Hello all, I plan to make most of the normal faux pas that is to be expected when somebody joins a new chat environment - so please let me know when I mistep - or fail to mistep - and I apologize in advance, so i dont have to later ..
every vet was a newb once
@GlennTeitelbaum Then I'll make the SOP to prevent that from happening: loungecpp.wikidot.com/owners:newbie-hints
;)
ya, ive been chatting since 100 baud lines, but I prefer to announce that I dont know a room culture in advance
@MarkGarcia - thx for the FAQ
06:16
@GlennTeitelbaum With that experience, I'm sure you'd fit in here in no time.
I'm not sure I claimed I want to fit in, more that I dont want to fit out
@MarkGarcia nice ascii art in your profile :)
we are bunch of misfits, there is no way anyone could not fit into this bunch ... of course dumb people will find this chat to not be friendly, but smart people will see we just like to welcome them in our own ways :x
@GlennTeitelbaum Finally, someone noticed, thanks. :) Got really bored when I made that (not quite an ASCII artist I am).
I'm just happy to find others that know what ascii art is
...
I said we were misfits, I never mentioned that we were dumb or ignorant
06:21
lol, used it today in this answer, although not as fantastical as yours: stackoverflow.com/questions/19987577/…
@User17 lol, I work in Sales and deal with clients all the time, so I'm just happy...
06:33
Hello, I ask myself, why in a class I can write "static const int X = 640", but I can't write static const std::string TITLE("title"); ?
nothing prevents you from writing it
g++ do
no, it prevents you from compiling it :)
yes :)
06:37
@MarkGarcia I'm hoping the intent was amazement over the standards, as opposed to how can I get it working
Yes, I know it's impossible
but, it's think it's weird
@GlennTeitelbaum That's pretty much a problem when I'm being a language lawyer. I just state that it can't be done and not why it can't be done (the rationale, which is much more important).
As I mentioned, I'm in Sales
but the problem with that : const std::string CAPTION = "Bomberman";
it's I can't initialize my window with "initialize list"
MainWindow::MainWindow() :
sf::RenderWindow(sf::VideoMode(X, Y), CAPTION) {

run();
}
like that
because CAPTION isn't static
use a constexpr string
06:43
@Rapptz Just noticed in GCC that you need constexpr char[] when declaring inside a class, while just const char[] in namespace scope.
Pretty inconsistent IMHO.
Not sure if it's standard though.
use a manifest constant
07:00
@Rapptz Man that's so sad. :(
ya a 6 year old
six year old is the guy's daughter (judging from last name)
and possibly her birthday
07:27
taking a 6y/o to a movie titled "The Dark Knight Rises"... I mean, aside from the happenings, this raises my brows
It's a superhero movie.
Kids actually go to those.
@Rapptz Really. Batman strictly seems something I wouldn't let my kids watch for some years. Call me old-fashioned.
The movie wasn't too outrageous.
Have you seen it?
Nope. I've seen enough trailer footage of the Batman series, though
I don't even remember seeing blood in Dark Knight Rises
07:31
What does blood have to do with things?
Parents don't like to let their kids see blood here in America.
Oh. Makes sense. I guess (?)
So I'm trying to think of common "BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN" themes that get tossed here in America.
I hate it when my children are all bloody.
07:41
http://static.4chan.org/image/4chan-leech.png
sucks.
I forgot they implemented that.
k fixed
@StackedCrooked gotta have my baby back ribs (chilis.com)
I am static final
@User17 my code is a template evaluation. I compile it and it prints the answer.
@Rapptz Doesn't ring a bell..
07:53
I found this on /v/.. turned out to be real. Weird.
oooh, does puppy work for MS then?
08:08
morning
roar! :D
how ya been tony?
bye scottie :)
bye baby
@GamesBrainiac Ugh, I'm terrible.
what happened this time?
same old same old
my feet fucking hurt
you code with your feet?
08:12
ahahahaha
no
user1804599
Hmm.
user1804599
Say you have two ranges A and B which contain the same set of elements but in a different order.
delete range B, all problems solved
user1804599
Is there an efficient way to calculate how many times you’d need to call std::next_permutation(A.begin(), A.end()) to get to B?
not sure
user1804599
08:15
It would be quite nice.
JBL
JBL
Morning !
Ell
Ell
Hmm. Singletons enforce static initialisation order right? As in, ensuring an object exists?
ooh I have to go
@rightfold You've asked this twice.
You've ran into this situation twice?
user1804599
Did I ask this before? :v
I forgot then.
08:27
@Rapptz so is this the third time he has asked?
no, 2nd.
08:40
user image
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@Xeo lol pineapple
oh my, true that :D
@rightfold Isn't that basically shuffling A until it is equal to B?
and we're shuffling, shuffling....
08:54
The number of possible permutations is ..high.
@rightfold It's the same as the big-O which maps size of A to number of permutations. (I think.)
IIRC it's O(n!)

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