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00:01
using std::bitset<C>::reference;
reference whatever();
// unknown type `reference`
wat
oh
Who would have thought it.
@Pawnguy7 +1 ;0
So sick of Google+
They work hard at this too.
They make the accept button all blue and appealing.
And the deny is just this gray outline.
Haha
00:04
no, it's not typename the solution
Evil is at a higher entropic state than good, and thermodynamics inexorably brought Google across the line.
3
Pretty soon it will be like the gray text on the bottom of commercials.
I almost want to make a post about it.
@Jefffrey Either bitset<C> is the same as a non-template base class, or it's a dependent base class and you need typename, or it's not a base and you're not allowed to do that.
But google hosts my blog O.o
Mine is on blogspot too, and I'm surprised at how (sticking to built-ins and defaults, at least) that service is sh*t.
00:07
@Potatoswatter seems correct
If there are any `git`-savvy Linux users in here... Any idea why a `git clean -fd` would return this:
`Removing core/cache/`
`warning: failed to remove core/cache`
...when I have full permissions on the directory and can `rm -rf core/cache` just fine?
I guess if anyone knows how to make a code block on here that'd be helpful info too, haha. Thought it was ``
@ScottW hello!!! <3
@Leng The chatroom designer "powers that be" decided that nobody wants preformatting and mixed monospace font at the same time.
@ScottW how are things that you're currently focused on going? ;0
@Potatoswatter, within a namespace, doesn't ::operator& select the global version of the operator& function?
00:11
@Potatoswatter I see - how did @Jefffrey just do the 'operator&', for instance? It appears as more code-like than his other text
@Leng If you don't have an embedded newline, then backticks do work.
@Leng `
Then why doesn't this work, I suppose. I stand corrected. haha
@Jefffrey Yes, but those operators can also be member functions so treating them as either one or the other is potentially brittle.
But if you look up at my post.. where i'm talking about git, none of my backticks are working. Oh well.
00:12
There's also a third possibility that the operator& is an inline friend found only by ADL which would be invisible to using.
@Potatoswatter what if I wanna say that the global version of operator& is friend of a class within a namespace?
@Jefffrey You wouldn't normally do that; friends of a class should be in the same namespace. But there isn't anything special, you would just say friend foo *::operator &( foo & ). Also unary operator& is evil.
@ScottW I'm the bigger one ;0
@Potatoswatter it's binary
00:15
@Jefffrey ok good, my murphy's law detector must be set on high today.
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@Potatoswatter just out of curiosity, what's that * in front of it?
@Jefffrey Unary operator & would return a pointer.
right
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00:28
@Potatoswatter ew, ugly-placement of * and &.
good night!
@Potatoswatter also why would I want operator& and operator| to be in the same namespace as the x::bitboard class is? I wouldn't be able to do a | b anymore :(
@Jefffrey ADL lets you.
@Jefffrey ADL always finds a function in the same namespace as the class of an operand.
@Jefffrey You don't do std::cout std::operator<< "hello world" now do you :P
also hi
00:32
I'm an idiot.
In the C++ programming language, argument-dependent lookup (ADL), or argument-dependent name lookup, applies to the lookup of an unqualified function name depending on the types of the arguments given to the function call. This behavior is also known as Koenig lookup, named after its inventor Andrew Koenig. ADL occurs only if the normal lookup of an unqualified name fails to find a matching class member function. In this case, other namespaces not considered during normal lookup may be searched where the set of namespaces to be searched depends on the types of the function arguments. Spe...
You are all right, obviously /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes, @Potatoswatter, @Rapptz
today was a good day
even barring the 12 hour work day
… it's called that because nobody purposely uses it until they get into an argument over how to define operators.
@Rapptz Hi :)
00:35
One of my colleages doesn't print a space after the comma. It's all foo(one,two,three);
I plan to kill him.
I used to do this
then I realised how ugly it was.
I've seen people that do int x=10 and that drives me more nuts than it should
same with x<9
At my first job there were strict coding conventions which happened to be super ugly.
@Rapptz I curb that hard in the introductory courses, whipping or 100 pushups.
00:37
@Rapptz with < and > and no spaces you can get the most unreadable thing ever
for (int i=0;i<=10;++i)
ok, maybe not that unreadable, but still very ugly
@Jefffrey It is like you had a macro. forI 10
I think "no spaces between operators" is a beginner thing
I rarely see it outside of beginners
It's also common among stupid people
no
I mean x<n
shit's unreadable and moronic
What about a*x/b;
a * x / b
Hmm, spaces are beter.
00:47
One day I am going to make a cat shaving game - you can shave a chosen cat on your phone by moving your finger on it
(a * x) / b
Of course you can shave many other animals this way too - dogs, bears, lions etc
In Clojure it would be: (/ (* a x) b)
Takes a while getting use to.
meh RPN.
you can zoom in and zoom out to shave smaller or bigger area
00:50
Dart 1.0 is released.
@StackedCrooked Yeah, I noticed. :D
A great motivation to finish my game if I had the time.
@Rapptz can totally imagine that being in a horror movie - the girl is a ghost and whoever sees her waving bye dies shortly
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@Rapptz meh "operators not being inline" you mean
then she turns her pale, ghoul like face and waving goodbye to you ...
00:53
@Xeo Nope.
@StackedCrooked Have you used Dart for any projects yet?
Ell
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Inline? Infix?
Rapptz is not a RPist.
I'm not a rapist, no.
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00:55
@Ell right
It's late, I'm just throwing out words
Looking at it again, it looks like it's prefix notation
which is weirder tbh
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if you replace / with "div" and * with "mul", it just looks like normal function calls, tbh
It's always (operation arguments)
Yeah that's prefix
Ell
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Yeah its prefix
00:57
@Rapptz denial! ... what kind of guy would watch a video about a little girl?
(+ 5 3) is 8.
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Prefix notation needs no brackets does it?
As long as the arity is nknown
@User17 A guy who thinks kids are cute.
that's what a pedophile would say :x ... Just joking :p
Yeah, god forbid people ever lay their eyes on kids.
00:59
TIL google does not like gun ads.
Or fake names :\
What?
When I worked in a preschool, they had to do all these criminal record checks and stuff.
@Rapptz Weirdo
@Rapptz When I volunteered at an elementary school they just kinda looked intensely at me for a few seconds as I filled some paperwork. Then they specifically told me I looked alright.
01:03
> They're looking for evil thinking they can trace it, but get this: evil don't look like anything.
That's exactly what evil would say
I don't like software that centres its windows on the virtual desktop instead of display
I think even some Microsoft thing did that the other day
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah! All I have to do is look for the dollar signs on the beginnings of the variable names to find evil.
Dollar signs are in a general a good way to find evil.
22 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
What? that's not the permalink I copied
@R.MartinhoFernandes Using them was probably the only thing they did right in PHP.
01:15
> Current Smartphone market: Android 81%, iOS 12.9%, WP 3.6%, BB 1.7%, Others 0.6%
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pedophiles etc. assault some kids, but insignificant compared with Audi, BMW, Mercedes and their drivers. Public perception of risk is totally screwed.
Oh, don't get me started on cars.
Driving is the worst
What about companies that produce cigarettes & alcohol? What about casinos?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, sorry, but my Fiesta has a brake problem.
01:17
Maybe we should shut down all investment banks
Then what about NSA?
I have a positive mind: if the world is bad enough, there is much less chance for me to make it worse. I feel freedom!
Whoa NSFW.
Who cares about NSA? I have a fluid leak on rear nearside. Garage tomorrow:(
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> So from now on, instead of saying "I'm going to kick you in the ass" it will be "I'm going to present my foot transanally into your rectum".
lol
@Rapptz The thing is, Apple hardware is crazy reliable and folks in the third world often buy it secondhand.
I hate my iPhone
01:25
Here in the Philippines I see a lot of ordinary folk on the street, public transit, etc with iPhone 4's. They certainly didn't contribute to marketshare stats.
I still have yet to upgrade to a smartphone at all…
I wonder if I had witches milk when I was a baby
@Potatoswatter Depending on whose numbers you go by, they probably did. Many of the numbers I see are based on things like how the browser identifies itself, so it tracks usage, not just raw sales.
Witch's milk or neonatal milk is milk secreted from the breasts of some newborn infants. Neonatal milk secretion is considered a normal physiological occurrence and no treatment or testing is necessary. It is thought to be caused by a combination of the effects of maternal hormones before birth, prolactin and growth hormone passed through breast feeding and the postnatal pituitary and thyroid hormone surge in the infant. Breast milk production occurs in about 5% of newborns and can persist for two months though breast buds can persist into childhood. Witch's milk is more likely to be secre...
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@Rapptz The comments are killing me
@JerryCoffin idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24442013 They don't really clearly define what they're reporting at all, but they don't mention any measurable quantity besides shipments.
01:31
@Rapptz Are you sure you are not a pedophile? :'(
Yes. I work in medicine FYI so this is just neat stuff to me.
^ I'm not doing the arithmetic but it looks like marketshare according to IDC is share of quarterly shipments.
01:45
I don't understand the total in the last column
@Jefffrey (quarterly volume)/(last year volume same quarter)-100%
Numbers do nothing in financial analysis except create an aura of credibility.
@EtiennedeMartel Where did you sign up for the R# C++ thing? And do you have to be a customer to do so?
Which is literally the second result for "resharper c++" btw
You badlet
@Potatoswatter Oh, right.
@CatPlusPlus I just watched that video.
01:58
You hadn't before?
Nope.
I also have the private build
@Rapptz How is the responsiveness and delay of its parser?
I haven't actually used it.
@Rapptz Is that just what they told you to say if anyone asked questions about it?
02:02
No I legitimately haven't used it
They only tell you not to share the download.
@ScottW to fulfil the prophecy, all you have to do is to find a potato!
5 pages of title, disclaimers and the usual bullshit, then blank page, then "dont" in Arial 72 centred on the next, then more boilerplate bullshit, the end
99.99€
(+15.99€ shipping)
@CatPlusPlus What, no "this page left intentionally blank" and section of ruled paper for the reader's own annotations?
I said blank page!
02:10
@CatPlusPlus There needs to be a different page with that literal text, which ironically makes it not-blank.
02:50
On chrome :/
Haha.
How goes snake?
Seems well. Templates are extremely hard for me.
What kind of templates?
template<std::size_t R, std::size_t C>
It's mostly a problem with them and namespaces, but yeah, I've finally fixed it.
I don't use size_t or namespaces. Hrm.
02:53
What's.. confusing about it?
I'm not sure on how to develop "views" (to draw a snake or something)
@Jefffrey A graphics sprite for the snake?
@Rapptz As of right now nothing. I had some problems earlier.
@MarkGarcia And how would the relationship with the snake data be handled?
> Unfortunately, the networking APIs in Windows Phone 8 have not been upgraded to support async and await.
Fuck you
@Jefffrey You know more about your problem, but I think some minimal MVC-like relationship should work.
SnakeController -> Snake -> SnakeSprite
02:56
The problem isn't so much conceptual as it is picking the correct UI API for your usage+platform.
@Potatoswatter already chosen (SFML)
@Jefffrey Is that still maintained? Anyway so what problem are you having creating a SFML view?
Yeah SFML is still maintained.
I actually like the API.
Blasphemy! Loungers are only allowed to find APIs terrible.
Its the 4th Catmandment
@Rapptz Except for the occasional changes in naming conventions...
02:59
You mean the one that happened 2 years ago?
I think it's time to move on.
Get your shit together Google, I want my Android 4.4 upgrade :(
I want await/async in C# 4.5 in newest fucking Windows Phone
@Potatoswatter I see the following choices: 1) when the model updates, we trigger the view somehow to update the sprites positions and rotation of whatever = possibly very complicated. 2) the view just holds the resources to draw the snake, but draws any snake with a draw(Snake) call.
Technology of tomorrow
@Rapptz That made my brother commit changes for almost all of his source files that uses SFML. I was all laughing at him.
03:00
Fuck mobile
@Potatoswatter 3) we can have a SnakeView which holds the state of the snake in a particular moment, but whenever the snake model is updated we update the view as well with a view.update(model) call and then let the view to be drawn.
@Jefffrey Shouldn't there be an outer loop to update the model and the view at a regular interval?
Just follow example code. No need for any conceptual work here.
@Jefffrey No, the model should never trigger graphical output.
@Potatoswatter well it's the controller which updates the model and then updates the view immediately after; so technically it's not the model that triggers a view update.
@Jefffrey No matter, it's just wrong separation of concerns. The controller triggers the model but the model implementation should also be allowed to call any of its own methods internally.
03:06
@Potatoswatter and it does. I don't see the point of the last sentence.
@Jefffrey If one model method does a graphical update, then it can only safely be called from the controller, and therefore it belongs to the controller module not the model. Separation of concerns.
Anyway it's up to you. There are plenty of solutions so if they all seem the same, pick one. Or find an open-source example, there are plenty out there.
@Potatoswatter therefore the controller should be the one responsible to update the view when the model change state?
@Jefffrey The model also changes state only at the request of the controller.
Yes, ok. I think it makes sense.
@Potatoswatter Something like Input -> Controller -> change the model and view state together?
@Jefffrey Again, it might be insightful to have a complete implementation to refer to.
03:13
@Mysticial Have you ever tried to play with the allocation unit size on an array of HDs?
Personally, I would just send asynchronous input events to an input buffer, and when the controller updates on the next frame refresh, it calls the model::update which checks the buffer.
GTG, good luck. Just throw ideas at it and see what sticks :P
@Potatoswatter eh, I'll have it probably tomorrow. Aaaand now I gotta go. But anyway, thanks, much appreciated :)
In an initialization list.
@Jefffrey No, I mean refer to example code. You can find things online.
03:16
Are they not guaranteed to be done in that order?
@Potatoswatter Ok. Thanks.
@Pawnguy7 Make an example
Can I ask a random, general stack overflow question in here?
03:24
oh
please?
Unless it's about Belgium or KSP
@user623952 If you like pain … the kind that's given by a rough stick on your tender buttock, then yes
Log Horizon is quickly becoming one of my favourite anime this season.
I had cold roasted duck, I am feeling sick ...
03:30
@user623952 "Can I ask a random, general stack overflow question in here?" -- "stack overflow" are the key words
Wow, that guy's bio is just...
@user623952, On an unrelated note: I'm sorry for your losses
my thing keeps beeping you guys stop lol
@user623952 You can always turn that off.
@user623952 fyi. you can change the notification settings with the speaker icon. top right.
03:36
oh, yeah i can take that off my bio now... i guess... that was like 2 weeks ago... ish.
k. i found the button. thanks!
@user623952 click "leave" on the top right if you don't want to be notified no more :)
@user623952 you can do what you want with your bio really. It was just sad.
hah... yeah... i forgot i put that there.... i just needed to put it somewhere
no website, no twitter & no Facebook?
people i know use facebook
and?
03:40
dunno. they knew her? they had to deal with it, too? i'm the strong one. no tears. and i was so tired of everyone asking me how i was doing every 5 minutes. how did they expect me to be doing?? and the dead girl... she was controversial, sort of...
i assumed no one had a reason to read my bio on here. i'm not too active.
dunno. i guess i could have written it down and thrown it away. i have no coping skills... as i somewhat described in the bio...
it's back to normal now....
no. i put it there because i felt wounded. but it was an inside pain that no one could actually see. if you get your arm chopped off, people see that. they see the blood and guts and the pain. they see when doctors try to reattach it; they see when surgery fails. they see... months of physical therapy, tons of stitches, and a fake plastic arm. they see for years how everything has to be re-learned and everyday is a struggle, new and different.
an internal struggle to survive and adapt and cope and compensate and replace... it's different. no one knows.
that's all. no one is listening. lol.... i'm out.
what the hell happened here?
@Mikhail The sector size?
I'm going to wait until my reputation is 8,675,309 then click on it and ask for Jenny. See what happens.I should be about 203 years old by then, and nobody will get the reference. — David Stratton 11 mins ago
^^ ahahaha
03:57
..what.. happened.. to SE?
it's... ... ugly.
Is it weird I can tell it isn't black?
Nono it's an improvement because
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Q: Am I allowing some selection bias or is there a high correllation between using real names as aliases and good answers?

Glenn TeitelbaumIt just seems that I have found that people using "First Name" "Last Name" as their alias seem to give more reliable answers. Possible bias is relatively smaller sample size than many of you here and my choice of alias.

^^ How many of us here use real names?
Gross.
I have to click twice to get to chat now.
This just like Google's UX all over again

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