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I'll be doing my talk on english at uni about monads
Also I've read about Monomorphism Restriction but didn't quite get it.
@sehe I'm not sure if I can handle another lava-lamp in my room
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@sehe I'd have myself some boating, right now.
Damn.
@ScottW Baby, I think you're confused.
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Oshit, mini-@sehe
14:01
mods are asleep, post polar bears.
@ScottW lol
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I'm sure it can be explained using forks and astronomy
The influx of this kind of questions is driving me insane NIPPLE SALADS! but I think "finding the type of the lambda" is the wrong problem :< — R. Martinho Fernandes 10 secs ago
oho, robot is stepping this up
Also C++'s lack of FCFs is pathetic.
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If it needs a robot-revolution to get rid of this lambda-madness, I'm all for it.
First-Class Functions, after I got it right.
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, why?
@R.MartinhoFernandes because they could be there and they are not
and we're presented with std::function instead
What
Gosh
That makes no sense
Don't make it worse.
14:07
can you kick people from this room?
I wish.
@BartoszKP nope. Best you can do is gallery mode
@BartekBanachewicz I wish someone kicked me :\
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't function pointers a way to have some sort of FCF ?
14:08
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks! I can get on with my work :)
@JBL They are.
If people could be kicked from this room, I'd kick you all out except for @ScottW.
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@JBL they are, but then you lose closure capabilities
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So I don't understand how C++ lacks FCF.
and functions without enclosing scope are usually rather useless.
14:09
@JBL The problem really is that it just involves a bit of dicking around, as like everything else in C++.
std::function and functors make fine FCFs, realistically.
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@BartekBanachewicz WHY ARE YOU DEADMGING (sorry pups, need a different term)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not even sure what that means
if you want to tell me that you can stuff a closure into a C function pointer well yeah I'm aware of it, so what
Constantly rephrasing shit you said before.
It means many things
Blah blah C++ first class functions. blah blah yeah, but I meant closures.
And C++ totally has that anyway.
lol
what do you guys use in .NET to unzip stuff?
the .Compression thingy don't work
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trousers.unzip();
It had it before with godawful boilerplate, and it has it now with slightly less boilerplate.
14:12
ahahaha
@R.MartinhoFernandes aaah that
@TonyTheLion SharpZipLib is probably most common
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the phrase for "slightly less than godawful" ?
Godawful
@TonyTheLion msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/… (4.5). SharpZipLib otherwise.
14:14
@CatPlusPlus thought so.
@CatPlusPlus I suppose I could use net-20 version with my .NET 4 app?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea I saw that, but I don't have 4.5
@BartekBanachewicz No one said that. So who cares.
okay, okay, I'm not bashing C++ anymore (today)
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I don't quite see how [&](...){...} is "godawful", tbh.
I need to read more on FRP
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14:15
FRP
@Xeo I meant C++03 stuff.
@Xeo darn it
> cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
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bind1st n shit, eh
Anyway, to get where I really wanted to: your initial complaint betrays a misunderstanding of what std::function is. All too common sadly :(
14:17
@R.MartinhoFernandes so what it's not?
@TonyTheLion Yes
@BartekBanachewicz Some FCF alternative or whatever.
@BartekBanachewicz Raisins
It's a type-erased container for monomorphic callables.
@CatPlusPlus TBH I expected bananas.
14:18
That's why you're wrong about it
@R.MartinhoFernandes how not almost-the-same
FFS
@BartekBanachewicz Totally different.
another ExitFailure 1
god damn it
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@R.MartinhoFernandes aka a polymorphic container for monomorphic values!
std::vector<int> add_two_ints(std::vector<int> x, std::vector<int> y);
add_two_ints({ 1 }, { 2 }); // yep, totally ok
14:20
dang it Cabal get your shit together
(And that's even less specific, because there isn't even type erasure)
Maybe std::array<int, 1> would be a better analogy. Both look dumb anyway, which is the point.
posted on November 13, 2013 by Eric Battalio

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@Feeds so @FredOverflow was right...VS 2013 launch is now. So why was it already released on Oct 17th? :E
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Ich will dass ihr mich gut seht
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Ja
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Mandatory.
14:35
lolwat. if you paste stuff from VS to wordpad, it keeps the colors
lol wordpad
who the fuck uses that?
I wanted to check the difference between consolas and lucida console :)
Lucida is ugly.
New kind of question that shows up every other day that I hate: "blah blah my JSON has \uxxxx in it! How do I fix it"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. They're not generally useful except for really big projects though.
@melak47 Yeah it keeps RichText stuff.
14:48
@melak47 Because it copies the shit both as text and as RTF.
Apparently people randomly decided to look at my code last night.
Or... an hour ago anyway.
@CatPlusPlus stuff.getWindow() returns a normal reference. You just cannot set what window it is. Same for some others.
Who'd be interested in common project infrastructure (CI, code review, tracker, some non-shitty wiki, this sort of stuff) for Lounge projects (that don't die, i.e. don't involve me or rightfold)
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