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10:01 PM
@ScottW I was reading through that Reddit thread.
 
I don't even remember installing half this crap
 
@melak47 magic, isn't it?
 
@Pawnguy7 it feels like it must have been an eternity ago, but it can't be much more than a year tops, since I know I did a reinstall when I bought my SSD...
 
has anyone tried this slash language out ?
 
10:03 PM
@melak47 it's because nowadays each piece of software installs additionally a great toolbar, best antivirus, and coolest icon set ever, completely for free! they're giving you software for free!!! this is paradise!!!
 
"Oh, great, you downloaded this useful utility. Would you like a stupid toolbar with this, and some email spam on the side? Great!"
 
@BartoszKP I've yet to see one of those installers try to sneak VS2010 by me
 
@A.H. λ as a language "keyword". Sure, that's practical.
 
@melak47 :D or change your OS
 
10:05 PM
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@TemplateRex sorry, seems you have linking disability :(
 
It seems you guys forgot to follow my hilarious link
 
@BartoszKP forum.dlang.org/group/digitalmars.D and then TriState subject
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Weasel words
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@TemplateRex ;)
 
10:07 PM
@sehe [who?]
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's kinda funny
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit holy shit
 
"While messing with std.allocator I explored the type below. I ended up
not using it, but was surprised that implementing it was quite
nontrivial. Should we add it to stdlib?"
 
@A.H. APL much?
 
omg, he hasn't been following any of the std::optional<bool> clusterf*
 
10:09 PM
@TemplateRex { true, false, file_not_found } again?
 
more stars please
7
 
whore stars please
 
Stars for what?
 
@sehe just googled that , wth is wrong with people?!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Turbo C++ - the game?
 
10:10 PM
@Pawnguy7 since when do we need a reason to star stuff?
4
 
@sehe it's kinda weird to see them ignore both tribool and optional<bool>
 
@Borgleader Fair enough.
 
@TemplateRex Oh, it's easy for me: I'm not looking :/
@melak47 it's basically DosBox in the browser; and clearly, Borland C++ is the killer app there (besides Leisure Suit Larry, Paratrooper, Breakout and Duke Nukem)
 
:DDD
 
@sehe where the hell are {} on that keyboard layout :S
 
10:13 PM
Just noticed, DosBox is very Levenshtein-close to DonBox
 
I had Borland C++! on like 30 or 40 3.5 discs or sth ;000
 
@melak47 My keyboard layout is dominated by brain function. Routine, we're all in a yellow sub-
@BartoszKP I had 3.1(? maybe 3.3) on 15 3.25" HD disks, yes (although you didn't usually need them all)
 
So, I want to make a small library of sorts for OpenGL (for future projects of mine), now in order to do so I'm using some files created by glLoadGen (notably a gl_coreX.Y.hpp and gl_coreX.Y.cpp). I would like to avoid compiling a .lib, what would be the best way to go about this? (Right now, the obvious problem is if i dont add this pair of files to my VS sln, the cpp doesnt get compiled and i get link errors)
 
@sehe yeah, probably, it wasn't 40. but I remember this as a sea of discs, it was my first program that needed so many : D
 
@sehe I still remember the huge sigh to relief when they started distributing on CD-ROMs.
 
10:17 PM
welp.
 
:DDDD
 
Everythings broken and nobody cares:
 
@BartoszKP Yeah, I think TurboPascal came on 5 disk, and TurboProlog (2.0?) used a measly 2
 
10:19 PM
If you inherit from Base and Derived, do you get two bases?
 
@sehe I'm too young to remember Pascal. I think I'm happy with it ;0
 
@BartoszKP TP was fiiiine. I loved the Borland IDEs in general. So quick :/
@EtiennedeMartel What are you doing
 
how do I write a working hello world in 1990 C++? :D
or should I just be glad I don't know?
 
@sehe yeah, these IDEs were extremely cool. clean, fast, and convenient
 
user1804599
10:22 PM
I am drooling.
 
(For those who are unaware, it's a reference to this).
 
@melak47 it seems you've forgot .h
 
@melak47 #include "stdio.h" / int main(int, char**) { puts("hello world"); }
@BartoszKP And their installers had shiny splash screens of "race car dashboards" for progress indicating
 
user1804599
Shouldn’t that be <cstdio> or <stdio.h>?
 
@sehe What version of Turbo Pascal? At least if memory serves, Turbo Pascal 1.0 for CP/M came on one disk.
 
10:23 PM
@JerryCoffin lol. you win
 
@sehe and the built-in console!
 
@not-rightfold actually, including <iostream.h> makes it have less errors. but it still doesn't know this "std" thing :D
 
@melak47 #include <iostream.h>\nint main() { cout << "Hello world\n"; return 0; }
 
@BartoszKP I forgot about that. But I do recall using ... a DigitalResearch version of DOS that did console "virtualization" - sorta like a tiling WM
 
@Rapptz Hey, played Gone Home recently. I didn't like it.
 
10:25 PM
I forget the actual product name now
 
Cool.
 
@sehe :0 wow!
 
I'm probably gonna write about it on my blog (amongst other things).
 
@BartoszKP required a 80286, that was so cool back then. Protected mode, so they could "intercept" and remap video memory and all.
Sep 23 at 22:03, by sehe
@JerryCoffin I did make a lot of flight hours in Turbo Pascal 4, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0 and 7. Even some serious stuff.
 
@sehe :D I only remember struggling with protected mode and high-memory to run games ;0
 
10:28 PM
struct vector2 { int x, y; };
struct vector3 : public vector2 { int z; };
I don't know if I should go Ugh or Meh.
 
@BartoszKP DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS / DEVICE=EMM386.EXE / UMB=HIGH (or something)
@MohammadAliBaydoun you should, VERY MUCH, go puke. And shoot someone
 
@sehe :DDDDDDDDD
 
@sehe Fair enough. Although I did get 4.0, the last version I really used much was 3.0.
 
@BartoszKP Ah, it was DOS=HIGH,UMB, as google just told me
 
10:30 PM
@sehe yeah, under one megabyte to leave as much highmem as possible for user programs iirc
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Tell 'em about Liskov Substition Principle (and "Baseclass of all evil")
 
I remember something with that title being in GoingNative '13 :o
I missed most of it though.
 
@BartoszKP Yeah, for a while, programs wouldn't actually assume >640k to be usable, so DOS could be made to reside in those "upper memory blocks". Also, Extended Memory required specific APIs to address (what was that called again)
 
@BartoszKP Actually, that moved DOS into the first 64K (-15 bytes) beyond 1 meg, which was still addressable from real mode if you enabled A20.
 
10:32 PM
lol, you're good, I don't remember that much : D
 
@JerryCoffin Oh yeah. A20, rings bells now
 
you know how in win8 you have to go through the metro control panel and reboot to get to the thing where you can opt to reboot into the BIOS/UEFI? guess what menu seems to be broken in my win8.1 install >_>
 
@sehe XMS (and do your best to forget EMS and EEMS). DPMI was for switching from real to protected mode inside of a DOS extender.
 
@JerryCoffin Yup. Borland even shipped one for a while, to be used with it's runtime libraries and compiler output. That was a pretty standard one, IIRC
 
There was also a predecessor to DPMI (which was introduced in Windows 3.0). Ummm.....VCPI, maybe?
 
10:33 PM
we used to start playing mortal kombat 1 with my brother, and very briefly switch to real fighting as keyboard couldn't handle more than 3 keypresses simultaneously ;00
 
@sehe Yeah -- if memory serves, Borland shipped the 286 version of Phar Lap's DOS extender.
 
@JerryCoffin Yes that's the one
@JerryCoffin Phar Lap. You tickle my memory nicely
 
Another of those huge sighs of relief was when I finally decided to just forget all of the above and never touch 16-bit programming again.
 
user1804599
Snooker was fun today.
 
@JerryCoffin Win32s for the win
@not-rightfold Oh woot. What's your highest break? -7?
 
user1804599
10:37 PM
What is a break?
 
lol
 
how many minutes he can play without breaking his deque, err, queue
 
@not-rightfold mmm, a "turn" (one or more shots in succession)
 
user1804599
Five.
 
@melak47 cue
 
10:37 PM
@sehe say what
 
@not-rightfold red + brown or just the blue?
 
FUCK. removing elements from a map while iterating over it is so fucking tricky =\
 
user1804599
red, color, red, color, red
 
@sehe I never used it much -- I went straight to Windows NT and mostly didn't look back. Did a little testing on Win95/98SE to be sure it at least failed with a decent error message if they weren't going to run, but didn't worry about much beyond that.
 
@not-rightfold Interesting. Must have been red, yellow, red, ...?
 
user1804599
10:39 PM
The order is insignificant until all red balls are gone.
 
@Abyx I remember I had such interview question - there is no problem.
 
@Abyx What are you trying to accomplish by doing that?
 
@not-rightfold Derp. How do you get a break of 5 with 2 reds and 2 colours (starting with a red)?
 
user1804599
Three reds, illiterate fool.
 
@JerryCoffin an abort() call =\
 
10:40 PM
@not-rightfold ah. Illiterate != blind but I feel you
 
user1804599
1) I pot a red ball.
2) I pot a coloured ball.
3) I pot a red ball.
4) I pot a coloured ball.
5) I pot a red ball.
6) I don’t pot a coloured ball so my turn is over.
 
@Abyx Well now, that should be easy!
 
user1804599
Not that difficult. :V
 
@not-rightfold s/coloured/yellow/
 
user1804599
It doesn’t have to be yellow. :V
 
10:41 PM
@Abyx it was something like auto temp = i++; if( pr(*temp) ) s.erase(temp);
 
@not-rightfold of course it does, oh wait, you still couldn't have made a break of 5 that way. The extra red solves nothing. You were the one failing. Illiterate fool
 
well... I feel like writing my own map, but I guess I shouldn't.
 
user1804599
I have no idea what you mean.
 
I LOVE WolframAlpha. Soon everyone will have their own personal Commandor Data!
 
user1804599
I think you are playing a different kind of snooker.
 
10:42 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk it doesn't work for unordered_map.
 
5 mins ago, by not-rightfold
Five.
4 mins ago, by not-rightfold
red, color, red, color, red
 
@Abyx I thought you are talking about std::map
 
explain
 
user1804599
@sehe that’s five balls. :|
 
Fuck. You do keep score, do you :|
 
user1804599
10:43 PM
No.
 
LOLWUT
 
user1804599
We play without scores.
 
lol, did you know chat breaks links? ;0
 
Okay. Next time, kindly specify the UNIT with your measures
 
@Abyx what is wrong with unordered_map? "References and iterators to the erased elements are invalidated. Other iterators and references are not invalidated. "
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
@sehe kibibits
 
@Abyx or it does grow down?
 
@not-rightfold balls
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk hm... I thought it would shrink
 
@Abyx If possible, just use std::remove_copy_if and create a new map with the desired data, then swap to get rid of the old one.
 
user1804599
3 mins ago, by not-rightfold
1) I pot a red ball.
2) I pot a coloured ball.
3) I pot a red ball.
4) I pot a coloured ball.
5) I pot a red ball.
6) I don’t pot a coloured ball so my turn is over.
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
> ball
 
well, somehow my app crashed
 
@Abyx I thought it would not shrink, like std::vector. Need to check.
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
5 mins ago, by not-rightfold
Five.
 
Damn.
I just spent the last ~2 hours creating a plot
now it’s done and it’s a work of beauty … angels weep because of it
 
user1804599
The order is red, color, red, color, etc until all reds are gone, then it’s yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, black.
 
10:46 PM
@JerryCoffin yep, I'm going to create a new map and move elements into it.
 
@not-rightfold Also, kindly note what ^ that was in reply to. I asked about the highest break (which means: score, not "longest sequence" which might have implied "balls" or "strokes")
 
@KonradRudolph Sounds about average, at least if you want it to be a decent novel.
 
and now I’ve noticed that all the careful fiddling to accommodate my complicated, largeish data set was for naught because I plotted the wrong data, and the real data sets are way smaller
 
user1804599
@sehe oh lol
 
@not-rightfold Assuming no free ball rules
 
10:46 PM
@Abyx on insert it says that "If rehashing occurs due to the insertion, all iterators are invalidated", but not on erase.
 
@KonradRudolph Ouch!
 
user1804599
Pool and carom are terrible if you are with three people.
 
@KonradRudolph ouch
@not-rightfold Yup, it takes the strategic elements (safety game) out...
 
user1804599
Snooker is fine with three people, but the score board only has four sliders.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk ok. maybe I was wrong.
 
10:48 PM
How can a Bluetooth device manage to take 10 seconds to connect? That's a megabyte of air time at the lowest bit rate.
bwahahaha
 
> I wrote a lot of Vim pumpkins but nowadays I mostly just try scarily hard to be funny on Twitter. tpope
Sadly, true ^
@not-rightfold lol - you're making sense, in some universe
 
user1804599
@sehe well, to play carom with three people you’d need four balls, which is weird and too difficult. :|
 
user1804599
And with pool you’d need three kinds of balls, and that’s becoming very many balls.
 
@not-rightfold I'm not well versed in the rules of carom. I mainly soloed that for about a year when I had a small table set up at home
 
user1804599
Well, wait.
 
10:50 PM
Damn. And I missed the switch from snooker to pool.
 
user1804599
You could play carom with three people if one hits the red ball.
 
user1804599
But that’s silly.
 
I mean, come on, 'snooker, carom/billiards, pool' - srsly, can't you spot the ugly duckling :]
@not-rightfold and the owner of the place won't like it if you do
 
user1804599
Nope. :P
 
user1804599
A blue red ball!
 
10:51 PM
@sehe: Had you looked at this one?
 
2
A: Nested template requires explicit construction?

Lightness Races in OrbitWhy does the second version compile? Because the second one doesn't create a Foo<int>::Bar<int>. You've run into the most vexing parse. Had you attempted you use the b that appears to work, you'd have received further compiler errors showing that your b is in fact declared as a function. Try t...

Okay, think I got it. I rule.
 
@JerryCoffin That would mean I was prety darn fast. Ergo: not likely (thx for the heads up)
 
user1804599
@sehe pool is about hitting the ball as hard as you can. :P
 
@sehe Ah, foolish me. But surely.
 
user1804599
It’s quite boring.
 
10:52 PM
@not-rightfold basically. It can be quite okay, as long as both players really know their shots.
But beer usually prevents that from taking place
Too many holes,
too little cloth
(great for out of context quoting, I guess)
 
user1804599
I find that pool is quite easy if you just hit the ball without concentrating, and it’s quite difficult if you try to concentrate.
 
@JerryCoffin lol - that code posted is basically my code from his prior question :/
 
@sehe Ah -- that could make things interesting.
 
user1804599
I should play darts again.
 
@JerryCoffin Not overly. I think he's trying to do things the Spirit V1 way in Spirit V2. I'll have to gently try to convince him to look at the spirit V2 way of doing things
 
10:58 PM
… and when I say “work of beauty”, what I actually mean is … err … this.
 
user1804599
I saw a shooting star today.
 
can you do multiline quotes in chat?
 
user1804599
> No
> You cannot
 
> bla
> blabla
 
@melak47 Since a few weeks, actually
 
user1804599
11:02 PM
@KonradRudolph that’s beautiful.
 
Interesting, is there any reason why std::next is not defined for InputIterator?
 
Ell
Hi
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
@not-rightfold which one?
 
user1804599
Either one of the following:
1) A reason that is not “it was an oversight.”
2) It was an oversight.
 
11:09 PM
Hahaha, Mr.Bitter goes "if this is a game of inches we just went 5 miles" and the whole canadian crowd goes "Kilometers" xD
 
@not-rightfold what your thoughts on 1)?
 
user1804599
I don’t know much about iterators.
 
What's the point of InputIterator if you have ForwardIterator?
 
user1804599
Isn’t InputIterator a superconcept of ForwardIterator?
 
@Rapptz ForwardIterator cannot describe iterators like istream_iterator.
 
user1804599
11:10 PM
Or was it the other way around?
 
@Rapptz Arent input iterators only used for files?
 
@Rapptz what do you mean? suppose we have istream_iterator
 
@not-rightfold other way around
 
Ell
Or streams generally
 
user1804599
Ah. :P
 
11:12 PM
@Rapptz I always use derived and base because I can never remember which is super and which is sub.
 
I only know the iterator concepts because I took time to implement them
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk because std::advance makes more sense. InputIterators are only forward-traversable, but also only once. Copying the iterator doesn't make sense there.
 
@sehe Iterator is copied when you pass it to algorithm.
 
Yeah I don't get how copying an istream_iterator makes sense
 
user1804599
@DeadMG it’s like in BDSM. The sub is the one below the other one.
 
11:15 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk You are copying it's previous state though when you use std::next.
 
user1804599
It’s a BDSM analogy.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Yes, but it's not logically copied (std::next yields a copy and the mutated one, that's silly for InputIterator)
 
@sehe why?
 
What's the previous state of an istream_iterator?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I suggest you think about that for a little while
 
11:15 PM
@Rapptz It makes sense because move semantics weren't invented back then.
it's a "We wish we had move semantics but don't so we'll crappily hack around it" thing.
 
istream_iterator<int> first(file), last; auto x = find(first, last, 11); x = next(x);
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk x = next(x) is like ++x;. Now think auto y = next(x)
 
okay that's not what I meant
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk irrelevant. It's not the copying that's bad. It's the mutating (and leaving the original behind as well)
 
@not-rightfold I don't think "below" makes sense in the context of class hierarchies.
 
user1804599
11:18 PM
The one that derives from the other one is below it in the hierarchy.
 
there is nothing wrong with auto x = find( next(first), last, 11 );
 
what an arbitrary, pointless decision
 
why are you using next as ++
 
all so that we can just say "superclass" instead of "derived"?
 
user1804599
YES :D
 
11:19 PM
you're supposed to use next as a way of advancing the iterator while keeping the older iterator you put in valid
 
@Rapptz ok, what about: auto x = find( next(first, 10), last, 11 ); ?
@Rapptz no, it is not always the case. see example above
 
Ell
I can't wait to leave sixth form
 
user1804599
You are all better programmers than I am.
 
user1804599
Except for some of you.
 
U+1F596! Finally!
 
11:22 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Are you using first after this?
 
@Rapptz No, I am not using that code at all. Of course in real algorithm it will be most likely assigned to first, but not x. But it is irrelevant to our discussion.
 
int main() {
    std::istream_iterator<int> begin(file);
    std::istream_iterator<int> end;

    auto it = std::next(begin, 10);

    std::cout << *it << ' ' << *begin << '\n';
    // what's begin dereference to if it can't keep its state?
}
 
@Rapptz It's UB to deference begin.
 
also, U+“Reversed Hand with Middle Finger Extended”
 
or, in fact, do pretty much anything with it.
 
11:25 PM
@DeadMG That's my point
 
@Rapptz Hence what I was saying earlier. It's exactly the same as auto_ptr- move semantics but badly done because no language support. You'd get a lot further considering it as move-only.
 
int main()
{
    istream_iterator<int> first(file), last;
    while( (first = find( next(first, 10), last, 11 )) != last )
        std::cout << *first << std::endl
}
 
@Rapptz Thats a part of being a forward only iterator.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes.. that is what I'm show casing.
I'm just trying to show why std::next wouldn't work.
 
user1804599
I want to be a billionaire so I can give the waiter a tip of a million bucks.
 
11:28 PM
@Rapptz it is not std::next which does not work - it is just wrong use of input iterators.
 
@Rapptz Ah, so you think the condition on std::next should have been stronger?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Well that's what the iterator is. It's what std::next and as its design it doesn't work with InputIterators if it can't even be used for the most simple use case.
Why can't you use std::advance in your example? You're basically just asking "I wish std::advance wasn't void" to be honest though even that is silly :|
 
@Rapptz by same reasoning we will end up with D Ranges instead of iterators.
@Rapptz because std::next yields here simpler code
 
not really
 
(var = f(var)) != last is not a simple code, IMO.
it's unreadable.
 
11:32 PM
@Abyx while( (first = find( first, ...)) != last) { ... } - is simple code, it means: we shrink our range from left on each iteration, until hit end.
 
Speaking of "Clean Code" was that copy I accidentally picked up in pdf-format free or did I pirate that book?
 
Should I feel bad for having installed my CPU fan blowing to the top instead of blowing to the left? :)
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk It's not simple.
 
@Abyx ok, show alternative to : while((first = find(first, last, x)) != last) cout << first->foo;
 
@FredOverflow Where are all the cables? Also I see you have a spinning hard drive. I too like to wait for the good stuff.
 
Xeo
11:35 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk for(; first != last; first = find(first, last, x)) ...
although I guess that has the precondition that first points to the first correct element at the start
 
@Xeo nope ;) that^
@EvgenyPanasyuk for(;;) { first = find(first, last, x); it (first == last) break; cout << first->foo; }
 
just noticed - forgot ++first;
 
Xeo
@DeadMG IIRC, it's not UB
 
@CaptainGiraffe What cables are you missing? Also, the SSD is below the HDD :)
 
@CaptainGiraffe In that case, don't by SSD. If you like to wait :/
 
11:40 PM
Yay! In the UK, it's 'Time has gone backwards' night! Who amongst the UK DB admins on here has forgot to shut down their servers?
 
Anyway, I still don't understand why not allow first = find(next(first, 10), last, 11) for input iterators
 
@MartinJames Huh?
 
@MartinJames Isn't it "Time will go backwards in the future"?
 
@Borgleader BST-GMT time change.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, but why would you have to shut down the servers?
 
11:41 PM
@MartinJames oops
 
Ell
Woo we get to go forward in time! ...oh wait
 
@Borgleader 'Cos transactions cannot be handled if time changes backwards.
 
I see
 
@CaptainGiraffe So embarrassing: s/by/buy/
 
@FredOverflow This is a case of very good use of the cable socks. My (own built) rigs are more of an ad hoc mess. Most families of spiders envy my constructions. Also no GPU extra power cables + extras.
 
11:43 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk you have advance for InputIterator's
 
@Abyx I know, but why restrict std::next to ForwardIterators?
 
@sehe An SSD is what bought my beloved T60 another 5+ years. They are better than cancer medicine.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk because std::next would lead to unsafe code for b = next(a) and because advance(a) does the same as a = next(a)
 
@CaptainGiraffe more or less yes
 
just use (advance(a), a) instead of next(a)
 
user1804599
11:46 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
zch
@Abyx advance(a,1)
 
@zch whatever.
 
@Abyx first = find((advance(first, 10), first), last, 11) is ugly
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk not uglier than while( (first = find( next(first, 10), last, 11 )) != last )
 
(advance(first, 10), first) vs next(first, 10)
 
11:50 PM
iterators are ugly by design.
 
I know what would I choose
@Abyx they are wonderful
 
user1804599
Is Snoop Dogg related to Snoopy?
 
Inbred
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
Wincest.
 
11:51 PM
@not-rightfold </flag>
 
user1804599
flagfest
 
user1804599
I wonder how many people participate in Spawnfest.
 
@FredOverflow sucking hot air from the GPU through the CPU heatsink right into the PSU - brilliant! :p
 
@CaptainGiraffe I was very close to ditching my GPU for an on-CPU graphics solution, but my new CPU doesn't have an IGP :)
 
Nope
 
11:54 PM
@melak47 That's what I thought, too :) But it turns out the CPU cooler is indeed very cool. You can touch it without problems, even under heavy load.
 
2 messages moved to bin
There's a very nice site for questions
 
> Mettez à niveau votre compte pour enlever les publicités
What ad, Grooveshark? I only see a blank rectangle there.
Oh, right, adblock.
 
@FredOverflow The PSU is probably very resilient to heat. AMD?
 
Enermax. The problem is, I first wanted to mount the CPU cooler blowing to the left, but then about half of the air would have been blown against the closed case wall :-/ I thought blowing up was the lesser of two evils.
 
All the problems people have with iterators don't really bug me so I always feel left out with the iterator hate train :/
 
11:57 PM
What problems are those? I like iterators =/
 
@Rapptz aren't pointers iterators? hate iterators for allowing them in their club :)
 
Pointers are iterators, but iterators are not pointers.
 

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