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19:00
@BartekBanachewicz Am I incorrect in my understanding that a degree is for a specialized understanding? Though I suppose there would be general as well.
c++ really need a method of iterating over the members of an object.. imagine you reading the header from random file-format, first you specifiy the members of the object, and then you will need to type out the order again when actually reading the data from file
blargh..
@Pawnguy7 Generic CS
seriously, my uni sucks
Hello castle-where-people-where-pink-skirts-and-ride-ponies-blindfolded...
sure you could use a std::tuple<...> instead of a proper user-defined object, but then you won't have pretty names for your members
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@BartekBanachewicz Have you written a 3d game before? I'm only asking because I know you're much more interested in 3d graphics generally
19:02
@ShuklaSannidhya this is no room, this is a castle. we all wear pink skirts and ride ponnies with our eyes closed
@refp Guess what SG-7 is researching.
@Ell does minicraft count? :)
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I was about to say, I know about minicraft, I was thinking more of a "classic" 3d style as opposed to voxel based
@BartekBanachewicz and you prefer graphics and/or optimization? Not sure if the optimization part was separate from graphics or not.
@Griwes I have no idea what SG-7 is, I googled it and the first few results are related to Stargate (I kinda hope it's not about stargate)
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19:03
Basically, I don't know what my scene node class should be like. Well I don't even really need a graph, it may as well be a list of objects to render
but I'm not sure if I need to keep vertices in there, shaders, etc.
@refp :D
@Pawnguy7 graphics.
@refp I was half sure you'll just find Stargate :D
@refp WG21 subgroup.
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Although I think I just need a vertex array object, and positions. I'm not sure though
19:03
@Ell that's a complicated thing
get on mumble if you want to talk, I am playing LoL
@refp FWIW my GCC accepts it.
@LucDanton yeah, I must have fucked something up (I wrote that it did compile a while back actually). I'm too lazy to check the standard about it though
@DeadMG thanks
@Griwes and that sure is awesome news.. do you think they will be done in an hour or so?
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@BartekBanachewicz I can if you want, but I guarantee I will be incomprehensible at the minute, my internet has been slow as molasses of late, and I have no idea why :/
I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen your situation in some other form though. Let me check n3690 for the constexpr qualifier.
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19:04
But if you can talk later when you're not busy, it would be much appreciated :)
k
call me on skype if i am not here
@LucDanton I'm working on this project and.. well, tried to think of a hack. but I think I ate too much and now I'm lazy
@refp You can try some of the shenanigans in Boost.Fusion, but I do not guarantee you'll still have your sanity when you are finished with it.
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@BartekBanachewicz Hmm. I don't have you added I don't think, what's your address? (you can email me it if you want, assuming you know my email?)
ask cosh or tony
19:07
what's the mumble details again?
@Griwes I'd rather wait for it to become standard, I'm only using boost when experimenting and this.. well, I don't know; I'm kinda odd.
@DeadMG loungecpp.sehe.nl
user1804599
Oh boy.
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Windows.
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What's a good Torrent client for it?
user1804599
19:15
uTorrent went retarded.
@not-rightfold if there's a port of rtorrent for windows, give that a go
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@not-rightfold bittorrent? :£
:3
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@Ell Does it have ads?
@not-rightfold They were bought by BitTorrent
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Seriously I don't know what to do with my internet, it's reallllllyyy slow
19:17
seems like you'll need to use cygwin though, and i havn't had the best experiences with cygwin (but it was probably 8 years ago I tried it out)
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@not-rightfold I don't recall it having ads
I still use uTorrent though
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Seriously I don't know what to do with my internet, it's reallllllyyy slow
user1804599
How limited is Visual Studio Express on a scale from Windows 7 Home Basic to Windows 7 Ultimate?
Windows ME.
3
user1804599
19:18
lol
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@not-rightfold I personally never noticed the difference :3
user1804599
Hmm.
It doesn't have the profiler or git integration or NuGeT or the plugin installations
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why not try it?
I also don't think it can use other compilers
19:19
@refp C++1y didn't lift the requirement that the class type of a constexpr member function shall be a literal type. While strictly speaking your example doesn't run afoul of this rule, IMO this raises question about both intent of the Standard and quality of the wording. (cc @JohannesSchaub-litb.)
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@Rapptz Hmm.
I would have expected C++1y to lift that requirement tbh, where the intent would be for your example to be (eventually) allowed.
@not-rightfold why not netbeans?
user1804599
Wtf
user1804599
19:20
What idiot uses NetBeans to write C#.
I thought it was about C++
if I have a default-copy lambda like [=], and I refer to a member variable, is it referenced or copied?
user1804599
Why would I use Visual Studio to write C++?
lots of people do
I am sure they have their reasons
user1804599
19:21
Hmm.
user1804599
How about Miro.
@not-rightfold Because it works.
@Tuntuni did not use popularity for validity , simply said they must have their reasons. So your argument is flawed !!
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I don't see why popularity is a fallacy
@A.H. missed the 2nd line :p
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19:24
Let's try Deluge.
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64 bytes from 31.55.166.148: icmp_req=2 ttl=57 time=2397 ms
anyone fancy mumble?
When I run my windows valgrind-equivalent, it gets bogged down in all the UB in Microsoft's standard C++ library implementation.
user1804599
Oh how fun.
user1804599
TPB viagra ads. I should install AdBlock.
19:24
@Ell "it's popular so it must be true" is a fallacy. "it's popular so it's probably true" is not a fallacy.
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@TonyTheLion I would if I could :(
@not-rightfold MOAR ERECTIONS
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@LucDanton hmm alright, thanks. not sure where that'll put me tbh. I'll just don't use it at this time and see if I will remember to check back on it in the future
@Ell but you can't so you shan't :c
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> time=2397 ms
19:25
@MooingDuck Is it really that bad?
@DeadMG The this pointer is always copied. Right? That's how it works?
@TonyTheLion first 8 errors are all in vector::push_back comparing pointers that aren't from the same array. Technically UB, but realistically, nobody cares.
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also @TonyTheLion do you have my email? Could you do me a favour and email me barteks skype details?
@MooingDuck I found an answer saying that.
@Ell I might have your email
@MooingDuck Not UB if the implementation does it and chooses to define it as OK.
19:27
@MooingDuck interesting to know, not what one would expect
@DeadMG I didn't think implementations can un-UB things.
@MooingDuck can't they like turn UB into IB?
the implementation can do whatever the fuck it wants.
in short.
the implementation works by different rules to user code
@refp To clarify, the requirement 'class type must be literal' suggests that calling a constexpr non static member on a non-literal type object is icky. But OTOH non-members don't have that requirement, so I'm leaning on getting rid of the inconsistency in the first place.
they can do anything they privately define their implementation to accept.
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19:28
Isn't all UB implementation defined?
@DeadMG right, got it. Spec UB != impl UB.
@Ell no, those are seperate concepts.
@Ell No.
@Ell is your surname spelt with double t?
user1804599
Yay Solitaire.
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Best Windows feature ever.
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19:28
@TonyTheLion it is :)
is there a dot in your email?
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No
I'll make it easy for you
tell me if you got it
yea that's what I sent it to
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Will do
Got it, cheers :)
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19:31
This is why I can't have nice things
@Ell F minus?
@Ell that's terrible
is that even a grade ?
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Apparently xD
is that the best you can get where you are?
19:32
now my windows-valgrind-equivalent is pointing out errors in TortiseGit32.dll...
And now dropbox...
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No, I used to be on about 1.9 Mb/s, then we "upgraded" to BT to get better speeds
what a mistake that was. I'll be complaining to my father and asking for better!
Grooveex? When do we get to my code?
user1804599
How do I mount an ISO in Windows?
user1804599
Oh wat I need separate tool.
19:33
@not-rightfold Windows 8 can do it. Otherwise you need a program
@EtiennedeMartel Similar to what I've got at work
@Ell oh golly
@TonyTheLion Used to be more than 500 Mbps.
@EtiennedeMartel mine
19:34
@EtiennedeMartel WOW
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No, I used to be on about 1.9 Mb/s, then we "upgraded" to BT to get better speeds
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@EtiennedeMartel 2ms ping!? woaaah
@not-rightfold daemon tools
@Ell Look at our ISP. Level 3 is a Tier 1 network.
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19:36
I'll try WinCDEmu.
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FOSS. vOv
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@EtiennedeMartel ahh that would explain things :P
@EtiennedeMartel For a second I thought you had that at home
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It works!
@TonyTheLion Fun fact: when speaking French, our prime minister pronounces "élection" as "érection". No points if you guess what those mean.
19:41
FFFFFFUUUUUCK
my wallet hurts :/
i just got an expertise on my multieffect box
the repair will cost me more than buying an used unit
This self-evaluation thing is taking soooo long.
crapfucking shit.
>.< Just realized that yesterday I checked in code with a flag enabled that makes everything run slow so it's easier to watch it in progress and visually see that it's roughly accurate.
sticks a 30ms wait in each progress bar update, used to validate I did the progress bar correctly :/
@MooingDuck leave it
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@BartekBanachewicz aw dayum :/
that sucks :(
@MooingDuck next version you can remove it and say "we optimized that part"
@Ell yeah, but I felt sad when I thought it would go to trash
@BartekBanachewicz well, it changes loads and saves from half a second to like 15 seconds so...
so I decided to repair it after all
but man that hurts.
user1804599
19:44
> Restart required to complete setup.
hopefully it will last me at least a few years
user1804599
What is this? 1985?
techs said that they will replace the whole motherboard
@EtiennedeMartel So how much porn many videos can download with that in an hour?
so hopefully it won't break until I am rich and famous
19:45
@TonyTheLion No idea. It's my work connection, remember?
@Ell look at the beauty ^
@not-rightfold Anything that modifies the windows shell requires the shell to restart. And that's scary so they simply tell you to reboot the machine
@not-rightfold kill and restart explorer.exe
foo(x) {
    if (x > 5)
        return bar(x);
    return x;
}
bar(x) {
    return foo(x - 1);
}
yay me, I can compile this now.
19:47
@EtiennedeMartel oh yea.
meh
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@BartekBanachewicz cool
I have a pod xt sitting next to me
I inherited some ugly functions. I wrote replacements and flagged the originals as deprecated. Fast forward two years, new manager wants us to have zero warnings, and all these coders "want me to fix the warnings I'd added to their code".
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It seems like all programmers are bad according to all programmers. How can this be!
@Ell we all know a better practice that someone else doesn't
19:50
@Ell the red one looking like a kidney?
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@BartekBanachewicz yes indeedy
heh, it's also a vintage gear already
@Ell also. false. There are some programmers that we probably would agree are good
everyone cool has an Axe FX 2 :F
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@BartekBanachewicz it is my older brothers
user1804599
19:52
@MooingDuck Why would it modify the shell?
@Ell I think that the robot is, at best, an average programmer.
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I don't even play guitar xD
user1804599
What if I use a different shell instead of the default one?
@not-rightfold adding options to when you right click a file
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19:53
@not-rightfold on windows? good luck with that :3
@Ell why don't you start? :)
@not-rightfold nobody does, so I have no idea. Probably needs a restart
meh prolly my flatmate is DLing something
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@BartekBanachewicz I've tried a few times, but non seriously
I have a lot of school work to do this year, and I'm having a gap year next year
maybe then would be a better time :)
I have a lot of school work to do this year, and I'm having a gap year next year
"gap year"?
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19:54
user1804599
> Faster than 51% of NL.
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@BartekBanachewicz you lucky sod :P
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51% of NL has even slower Internet. It's unbelievable.
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@BartekBanachewicz I'm having a year of no education between high school and university
(that's if I even get an offer for university next year)
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> Ultimate 2012 with Blend
user1804599
19:55
But I disabled Blend. :v
My windows-valgrind makes my parsing code crawl! without: 0.5 seconds. With: 120+seconds.
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ouch :o
when you say "your", you mean, you wrote it?
yes
I should time it. It's pretty insane
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Cool!
homer@marge:/media/4B3F-0BF7/karel2013$ ls -l runme-linux.sh
-rw-r--r-- 1 homer homer 96 Sep 13 13:30 runme-linux.sh
homer@marge:/media/4B3F-0BF7/karel2013$ chmod +x runme-linux.sh
homer@marge:/media/4B3F-0BF7/karel2013$ ls -l runme-linux.sh
-rw-r--r-- 1 homer homer 96 Sep 13 13:30 runme-linux.sh
Why doesn't this work? I want to make runme-linux.sh executable.

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