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23:00
also, well guys.
What's cool about using XMPP is that it'll accelerate our iteration time.
Because we can start with the backend and test it with Pidgin or something.
rightfold responded to my email
I'll go through RFCs during the weekend and make stories to track RFC compliance.
@BartekBanachewicz Good to know he's all right, anyway.
23:00
> I want to be able to concentrate at work and I can't do that if I have access to Stack Overflow.
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God I love Kendal mink cake so much
@EtiennedeMartel lol
@BartekBanachewicz On rightfold@?
@CatPlusPlus You're really down with this.
I've never seen you so optimistic about anything.
Ell
Ell
Why what happened to rightfold?
23:01
@CatPlusPlus gmail?
@Ell He decided that it was easier to delete his account than simply stop himself from going on it at work.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, I wanted to do this forever, and now I actually have a team and a chance to release something vOv
@EtiennedeMartel see? It's gonna work! :)
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah.
@CatPlusPlus Remember what I told you? :)
23:02
Every four-letter acronym starting with X reminds me of XCMD
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Aw man :/
This place is evil.
@CatPlusPlus I've put my heart into that email to him.
@Potatoswatter I'd more likely think of XKCD.
He didn't respond to mine.
He's dead to me.
Xeo
Xeo
23:02
@BartekBanachewicz Eh, so he just silently quits.
@Xeo well, he could at least say that in chat.
@EtiennedeMartel Not that uncommon. vOv On SA people post BANMEs often enough to warrant a KB entry.
but at least we know he's alright.
Google for bags that go on your back, as well as those saucepans that cook at high pressure and see what happens! http://bit.ly/16mkTc3
OH HEY HE RESPONDED
WOO
23:03
that's all I care about.
^ This is seriously fucked up
HE COPY PASTED THE ANSWER
THAT LAZY BASTARD
WOOWOOOOWOWO
> This turned out to be very easy, and is now checked into master. Error messages are no longer reported to stdout, but are instead attached to the error message passed to the Lua error functions. If you catch the error, you can then choose to not print the error messages.
@Xeo look! :3 /cc @sehe
I am totally shaping the Terra language future! :3
We're shaping the future of multi-user chats. :smug:
@CatPlusPlus So, he's still dead to you?
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
@EtiennedeMartel I can somewhat relate to that
@CatPlusPlus Should I just send an e-mail to piotr at gmail or something?
@CatPlusPlus Well, no real work has been done in there in ages, so...
Or not be all :tinfoil: about your email and just post it here.
23:06
(But you can't give it a lick)
Draconian Privacy Policy
@EtiennedeMartel But... but it looks tasty. :c
@CatPlusPlus Sent an e-mail. :D
@EtiennedeMartel Shitty lighting.
looks like my cousin.
@CatPlusPlus AKA party lighting.
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@Etienne but it looks like it would taste just like raisins :(
23:07
@ThePhD But you're sending mails with your real name in From? :v
@CatPlusPlus Yep. :3c
Makes sense.
I've added you.
@EtiennedeMartel y u no wear you new MLP shirt :P
Ell
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Dayum
I'm not going to sleep after this sugar
@CatPlusPlus If you added ThePhd we have to set up code review.
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23:11
It's set up implicitly.
@Borgleader That was more than a week ago.
alright then.
I still did not have my t-shirt back then.
There will be master repo(s) with no push access for anyone.
And you'll fork 'em, work 'em, and pullreq 'em back.
@ThePhD I'm warning ya, if I see a cowboy_cast in that code, you're out.
Xeo
Xeo
23:12
lol
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That's how its usually done in all the open source projects isn't it?
@CatPlusPlus Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.
@EtiennedeMartel :3c
@Ell Not necessarily.
@Ell Only Linux.
Guess why.
23:13
I don't use Linux.
Windows, mother fuckers.
WINDAWWS. D:<
I wish Windows didn't suck.
Ell
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I can't stand windows for programming
@Ell Yeah there are so many dev tools on Linux.
Xeo
Xeo
Erm.. is there no standard Haskell function for a -> (a, a)?
Once my VIM foo is strong,
I can forsake windows
But not before.
23:15
@Rapptz You mean Vim?
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Meh, I find vim very unproductive
I think that's about it.
@EtiennedeMartel Nope.
Vim's on Windows too.. so very poor choice.
@Xeo @CatPlusPlus @R.MartinhoFernandes John Carmack just said he's pushing his code to functional stuff now. /cc @Borgleader :D
Anyway, I can't do WPF on Linux, so Linux sucks by default.
23:16
@ThePhD Fuck John Carmack.
It's like a universal law or something.
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD gVim
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Gedit is so much easier
@ThePhD He said this forever ago.
23:17
MOAR FUCNTIONAL.
@DeadMG Yeah, how dare he does useful stuff!
@ThePhD fuck if I care
all I'm saying is
firstly, invoking his name is an appeal to authority fallacy
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ... what
and secondly, it's not even a very good authority, because he hasn't done anything exceptional in two decades
23:18
hey guys, it's cool. We're doing Lounge Project :3
@Ell Your momma...
@Ell i agree with sehe
Really "easier" is a good deterrent for programmer's editors.
Easy implies powerless
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, how does that magic work?
Ell
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23:19
I find gedit powerful enough for me
Gedit is like a bike with side wheels
@Xeo (id &&& id)
@DeadMG Depends on your standards regarding exception.
sure you can use it if it's a first time you're sitting on a bike
@Ell Psst. It's you who should be productive. If you can be using Gedit, go for it. But personally I can't stand editors that can't execute my commands.
@BartekBanachewicz It's like a rocket without fuel. Or, a baby rocket
23:20
How does John Carmack learn haskell... reimplement wolfenstein. T_T
I mean, if I needed advice on game engine development stuff, I wouldn't spit on his experience.
@Borgleader nice.
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Vim is a unicycle with a triangular wheel
Carmack was talking on Haskell. :D
IOW arrows are awesome.
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Ell
23:20
Ah I just saw a bloodsucking bug
@Ell every statement like that means pretty much "I can't vim therefore I will express my dislike"
Ell
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@bartek and? :P
@BartekBanachewicz That's actually a good argument. But "I find vim unproductive" was slightly less on-target
@EtiennedeMartel What, based on the fact that he hasn't produced any technically notable games for 20 years? Maybe 15, if you're being generous
Ell
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23:21
Not being able to use something is a valid reason for dislike :P
@sehe I meant to say, I find myself unproductive when using vim
@DeadMG You seem to think that games run on magic.
It's like not liking sex because you're too ugly to get it~
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@Ell that's called a learning curve
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@catplusplus no, its like saying you don't like sex because you can't get it up
that's funny
23:22
@Ell :)
Ell
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Which I think is fair enough :L
@BartekBanachewicz Or just preference
@CatPlusPlus "I'm a virgin by choice", "Not your choice"
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Carmack was twitting about Lisp for some time already
so it's not really a surprise to me
Xeo
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I was trying to get rid of the id &&& part from our earlier function
23:23
@Xeo (a ->) is a monad.
@EtiennedeMartel No, I absolutely don't. All I'm saying is that it's difficult to argue that he has advice that's any more relevant than any other developer's right now, even ignoring the whole "appeal to authority" thing. There's little evidence that he's capable of producing anything particularly good that ran on hardware after the Pentium 4.
> I have my iPad with me every time when I'm not near a workstation
cute.
@DeadMG RAGE still looks very good.
lol coding in Scheme on iPad
23:25
And anyway, seems like, within the space of 5 minutes, your point changed from "he's shit" to "he's no better than anyone else", which is quite different.
So I guess you realized that perhaps you were a bit too hyperbolic.
What is the point of this talk?
What talk?
what, are we on "puppy will diss anyone" again?
@EtiennedeMartel twitch.tv/bethesda
23:26
@EtiennedeMartel Carmack is talking about his experience with functional programming
It's just Carmack rambling on what he's been working on for the past year.
that's cool.
@BartekBanachewicz I know, I'm the one who linked that here, you know.
How exciting. I guess I should close the tab.
@EtiennedeMartel w/e
23:27
Carmack is hardcore rambling.
Also, STATIC = WIN.
no, he said "strong&static = win"
that means no C++
Xeo
Xeo
Btw @Cat, we were forgetting the map (==) part the whole time
That means no anything.
Xeo
Xeo
So I combined the zipping and mapping with zipWith
running rsync in --update mode really helped! :p
2013/08/01 19:21:14 [8196] sent 8.41G bytes  received 132.63K bytes  1.65M bytes/sec
2013/08/01 19:21:14 [8196] total size is 697.51G  speedup is 82.89
23:29
@EtiennedeMartel RAGE was a buggy piece of crap that would have looked far better, and actually run without crashing from time to time, if it had used Cry or Unreal engines.
Xeo
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and got foldl1 (&&) . (uncurry $ zipWith (==)) . second (drop 1) . join (,)
"It's amazing how bad programmers can be" lol.
Xeo
Xeo
Not sure how much of an improvement that is
I'm a tad bit annoyed at the uncurry needed, but eh.
@DeadMG Funny you mention Unreal, because I'm fairly certain it would have looked like ass with it.
Unreal's strength is its tools, not its engine.
well, I'm not Unreal's biggest fan
but it's difficult for me to argue that UE3 (which is substantially older than RAGE) looks worse than a CTD.
besides
this really isn't about RAGE, because even excellent developers produce duds from time to time.
if it was just RAGE that was poor, then I'd be like, "Well... these things happen"
23:32
ThePhD complains about UE4 everyday.
Damn, his talk is really converting me to Haskell
now I really want to learn and use it.
damn. damn.
my eyes are opening.
John, he's trolling
who's trolling?
I'm pretty sure twitch chat is worse than youtube comments.
@Rapptz Oh yes.
23:36
@BartekBanachewicz JmcC
@sehe he's explaining haskell to me
@ScottW be careful out there
@BartekBanachewicz ikr - you linked us
welp, off to see WGP tomorrow
that's really amazing
Xeo
Xeo
The fuck is that guy talking about.
23:37
about FP impact on game programming
He's literally rambling and Bartek is ogling.
and twitch chat is being awful
Seems reasonable.
Xeo
Xeo
@Rapptz Hide it.
@Xeo It's the only interesting part on this page.
ITT Rapptz is being forced to watch Twitch.
23:39
Nah.
But he's really rambling randomly, it's pretty weird.
@Rapptz did you unplonk me?
@BartekBanachewicz Yesterday.
I cleared my plonk list.
I was perfectly unaware, so nice social experiment, I guess.
23:41
> Tepsigazda: haskell's logo is lambda , half-life's logo is lambda = half-life3 confirmed!
anyway the partial application of events...
@BartekBanachewicz Ever heard of a Czech cartoon called "... A je to!"?
How long has he been talking?
I plonked 51 people
@Rapptz I have no idea. He's not stopping any time soon I think.
23:43
Has he drank anything?
Xeo
Xeo
He seems to be jumping from point to point... it's kinda incoherent.
Yeah.
Yeah he's literally rambling.
He still hasn't finished the sentence he started 15 minutes ago.
@Tuntuni lmao
That made me laugh pretty hard
23:44
@Rapptz HE STOPPED!! ... for 3 seconds.
Well that's 1 sentence so far I guess. :D
I'm impressed at his ability to give a speech without water
How does his mouth not get dry.
Okay I'm going to try to do something productive now
or play games..
Are there any people around him?
They all left out of boredom
23:45
lol
who's rambling?
where?
> What the hell is all this monad crap
@Tuntuni of course
@BartekBanachewicz Aww yis. It's the cartoon of my childhood. :D You like it?
23:46
yeah, I kinda do.
:)
I just watched the episode where they try to grill the chicken.
Damn, good times, good times.
Yeah, fuck, it's driving me crazy.
I am starting to get how the structs concept work in Haskell.
You mean records?
@ScottW "I'm not too far off"
LOL
The audience laughed.
@CatPlusPlus I am looking at this
23:48
@BartekBanachewicz Time to learn Haskell eh?
@Tuntuni I think it's called "to roast" - like on the colbert show
@Borgleader yeah.
@sehe Haha ;)
I installed it a few weeks ago, didn't use it yet.
That's not really called structures.
23:49
pssst. Don't diss his hero!
applyRgb :: (Double -> Double -> Double -> t) -> Rgb -> t
applyRgb f (Rgb r g b) = f r g b
Is Learn You A Haskell the best choice?
> Thats the first thing I understood from him in the last 2 hours "does anyone have a microphone"
I think it's about the only choice
Or Real World Haskell, but it's bit more advanced in places.
23:50
I am not sure how exactly this works, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel
Pattern matching.
Pattern matching is neat, I used it in Scala :)
@BartekBanachewicz That means you have a bad Haskell allergy and are going into anaphylactic shock
I used it in C++
Oh god, people in the chat are bored too. "Is he still talking" "Carmack just read me a book"
@sehe yeah we know you're wicked.
23:51
Imagine what the audience feels like: :x Poor people.
Don't read chats on streams.
Whole continents are poorer
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I don't understand the difference between a switch Block and pattern matching, though I feel I'm waaaaay off
@ScottW liar
Xeo
Xeo
@Ell You mean case x of ...?
23:52
switch is a really primitive pattern matching based on equality.
@Ell pattern matching is polymorphism, switch blocks... is flow control
@ScottW You are being manipulated and you like it. :D
yeah well it's too late for haskell today
but tomorrow :3
Firs though, FotW
@ScottW :O
23:53
Ping me if you need Haskell help.
@ScottW Still no complaints?
@ScottW Your only hope at being a better programmer.
Hah, the stream froze, I guess we're saved.
Ctrl+W
@ScottW I'm hoping to become a procrastinator some day, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
@JerryCoffin Become a pro-gamer. You get to go around the world and play video games all day :)
IIRC GSL first prize is 100k US$
23:56
I'm trying to think of some code I can stick in some of my functions to get partial stack traces when exceptions are thrown in a thread-safe manner, but I can't think of a design that has minimal overhead in the no-exception case that doesn't require a catch in each function :/
btw @CatPlusPlus I will be out during the weekend, will come back around sunday evening. Start w/o me if you're on that stage. I only say we pick absolute minimum for baseline.
@ScottW Dude, I've been waiting for like, 30 minutes, for you to decide I didn't respond because I plonked you, merely so that I could correct you immediately after.

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