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21:00
@CatPlusPlus the purpose is to show how much the community trusts you correct?
Haven't looked at question list for a good while now.
@Rapptz yea well, lets say I am having a bit of a bad time with it lately
@TonyTheLion it'll be hotter tomorrow.. and even hotter on wednesday ;)
@willj Fuck it, I'm moving to Antarctica
@JustinMeiners The "purpose" is something, sure.
21:01
nevertheless, I'm trying to change things and make programming more enjoyable for me
It's still trivial to get just by using Google.
@CatPlusPlus your saying there is just a divide between the intentional value and real value
seems to be quite hard though
I doesn't show anything.
There is no value.
It has as much value as postcounts.
It could be hidden and nothing would be lost.
Everything would be lost :P
21:03
it provides a way of rewarding behaviour that you'd like to see more of
e.g. answering your questions
I'm supposed to go shopping
but lazy
each upvote is someone showing appreciation
which is possibly the only thing with any real value in this world
Votes != rep
@JustinMeiners Yes, sometimes.
Also with lemming voting tendencies, votes mean very little too.
But hey, play the Internet points game, if you don't have anything better to do.
21:05
> lemming voting?
@JustinMeiners That I posted the Q&A myself is irrelevant. You get rep because a post is good, not because it happens to be posted on a Q you wrote yourself.
That thing has 200 upvotes? MUST BE REALLY GOOD UPVOTE.
I downvote the 200 rep things.
The only difference with self-answered questions is that one person loses out: me. I didn't get a problem solved by the community for me. Everyone else gets the same benefits that they did before.
divide vote count by number of views
21:07
Oh, I haven't downvoted one of Lightness' answers in a while.
@ThePhD Oh, I haven't listened to a word you say in a while.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <3
hahahahahahah
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   (____     \_____       /  (O  O)  \       _____/     ____)
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Kill it with fire, eek!
21:10
I'm half-way to 10k rep now.
@Rapptz So, you have 5k rep? I'm just practising.
@Rapptz Liar half of your rep is fake I bet you used sock puppets D:<
douchenozzles
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yep. 10/2 is indeed 5.
@Rapptz 10 / 2 == 6 for sufficiently large values of 10.
21:12
Congrats on solving the mysteries of basic arithmetic.
Go past Start and collect $200
@TonyTheLion Isn't it go past Go?
donno
I'm no expert
Yeah it's Go in Monopoly.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, You should update your top new users list to include Andy. It's been like half a year and he's at 50k.
21:15
@Pawnguy7 It's "Wi-Fi"
@chris but then I wouldn't be on it any more!
@TonyTheLion It's "go straight to jail; don't pass 'go'; don't collect £200"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's fake right?
well fuck
I don't know Monopoly it seems
21:17
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fell for that?
Interesting.
because everything on the Internet must be true
@Rapptz Define fake. It's a real image and everything
Unofficial!
I figured it'd be fake (i.e. not an actual branded Monopoly board) due to the massive amount of copyright involved.
21:18
Now, I just need to figure out what Mashtable is.
Also due to it being vaguely retarded
@Pawnguy7 what?
@Pawnguy7 Let us know when you find out. Meanwhile, in unrelated news, go visit Mashable.com!
@Pawnguy7 lol Mashtable
21:19
Oh. I spelled that wrong:D
ITT std::mashtable<T1, T2>
That bit of history is long gone.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't know man. Have you seen the new boards?
@PaulManta idontcareaboutthis.com
21:20
@PaulManta I know what you're talking about
can you friend a template type?
if you want to be its friend, sure
@PaulManta There are approximately 25,000,000 sites on the internet on that topiic.
template <typename MyFriend>
struct Benefits {
     friend MyFriend;
};
@PaulManta Peruse your browser history.
21:20
^ Doable?
I don't want to be friends with template types
@ThePhD Don't see why not
it is in C++11
banned in C++03 though.
come on, man
don't spread TIOBE like it means shit.
21:21
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope. It was quite a fancy looking site.
@jalf Oh yeah, it totally is, even though I lost.
@PaulManta Don't you wish you'd bookmarked it now? Happy history hunting.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't have it in my history anymore. :(
There is the website called Google, and it allows you to search the Internet
I think you should check it out
I know what you're talking about, I'll look for it.
21:24
@TonyTheLion Good thing we have someone ingenious around here...
The site's down.
@DeadMG Yep, it works alright /cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
4
I just sneezed my life away.
21:25
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do I remember you saying something about ignoring the Attack of Opportunity rules?
I hope it works in MSVC...
@ThePhD lol..
@ThePhD Oh gawd. I'd have expected @ScottW to write something like that, not sure you though.
@DeadMG Erm, maybe. AoOs always felt... wrong... and we experimented a lot with the rules there.
I should've asked a question and answered it myself. :D
21:27
Yea
hmm
I've been playing Neverwinter Nights 2
and the game pulls this very annoying shit where it asks you to fend off 4-5 melee attackers or more at a time, with only the PC and one party member.
@DeadMG as a caster
so if you start as a caster class, you get AoO'ed into absolute shit.
21:28
What level?
I disliked that game, but all my friends liked it
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2
well, from about level 3-4
1-2 is playing the ingame tutorial.
but at that level, you're lucky if you have any AoE spells useful against that number of enemies at all
and then you get AoO'd into shit because you have only two party members, so even if the other one is a tank, he can't hold them all
21:30
Switch difficulty?
I never played NWN2, but in NWN1 you could do that mid-game.
not to mention that the game has a truly annoying habit of always placing the PC at the front of the party after cutscenes and such, and the enemies have a big habit of attacking the PC first.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, I just restarted the game but instead, took a couple of levels of Fighter to start.
and also invested my ability points more wisely into some dex/con
man, it was a very unpleasant surprise when my spells missed their range touch attacks, I didn't even know they could do that.
user142019
Wonderful. My VPS works.
Touch AC tends to be rather low, though.
yeah
but if you're a single-class caster who didn't even realize such a check was made and absolutely dumped your Dexterity stat :P
21:33
Dex as a dump stat?!
Sep 13 '12 at 16:33, by DeadMG
YOU RUINED EVERYTHING.
I remember this
When puppy multiplied
what would I have needed Dex for as a single-class Sorcerer?
Not getting 9 AC?\
21:33
@DeadMG Have you played 3.5 before as a caster?
no.
in fact, I simply haven't played 3.5 before.
@DeadMG casters can only cast like 3 spells per day. You really need something else to do in combat too. And if you have heals, the entire party expects every one of those spells to be heals. It's pretty suck.
Dex and Con are the worst possible dump stats.
@MooingDuck That sounds like wizards.
@MooingDuck Dude, a Sorcerer with about 15 cha gets a shitload of spells per day.
more than I actually need.
Can you still rest anywhere, like in NWN1?
21:36
almost anywhere
HotU changed that and it made the game actually fun.
and thank God, no night encounters like Baldur's Gate, that sucked hardcore.
I remember when @CatPlusPlus changed to AliveMG.
@DeadMG HotU added that and it made the game more fun!
dude, rest encounters suck
21:36
Is it safe to delegate foo(float) and foo(double) to foo(long double)?
they're not interesting encounters, they don't advance the plot or give significant rewards, they just get in the way
I played HotU a lot with my roommates, and wandering monsters actually gave us reason to not spam everything on everyone.
When you can do that combat becomes a chore.
This sounds like DnD.
Is this DnD?
I still have yet to learn DnD. =[
We had to actually think up strategies and do recon and shit.
That was fun.
21:40
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What? I think it's a great example. <3
(And being a rogue, recon meant taking some good loot before everyone else got a chance to see it)
you can't recon a rest encounter.
that shit is just the game rolling the dice to see if you get fucked because you actually used your fun spells in combat
But you can recon safe rooms, or tough encounters to decide if you rest before or after it.
mmhmm
night folks!
(also, thanks!)
Niight. :D
21:43
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno if pen and paper includes this, but Baldur's Gate certainly never included anything called a "safe room".
but also, it seems to me that the only possible choice is to rest before a tough encounter.
@DeadMG Oh, HotU was an NWN1 expansion.
@DeadMG In pen and paper you have anything the GM wants.
resting after a tough encounter is just begging to die because either you saved your good spells for the rest encounter and died in the tough one, or you died in the rest encounter because you used all your good spells in the tough encounter.
In HotU safe rooms more or less meant rooms that you could lock.
21:45
oh yeah, and did I mention that you could have a rest encounter several times consecutively?
Yeah, that's how HotU works too.
so fucking annoying trying to rest in the Cloakwood mines when you had about an 80% chance of having four guards spawn when you tried to rest.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That kinda makes more sense- like, go X distance before resting.
FWIW, HotU takes place in a mega-dungeon, then in the Underdark, and then in the Nine Hells, so it's supposed to be always tough and dangerous.
HotU?
Hordes of the Underdark.
21:47
Who here can explain to me what a pull request is?
Its when you want to pull on someones rope, you request it to them.
@DeadMG Yeah, but you cannot know it's a tough one if you don't scout ahead.
@Pawnguy7 Basically it's a request to merge changes from your fork to the main branch.
user142019
@Pawnguy7 You fork repo O to repo F, you make changes to F, you ask maintainer of repo O to update repo O to reflect the changes you made to repo F.
user142019
See git-request-pull(1).
user142019
21:50
Also I got Git working on my VPS. I can now push. :3
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that, fundamentally, real D&D is designed to be moderated by a human GM, who has a lot more power to adapt the situation.
I imagine that a human would not have kept giving my Level 3 sorcerer five melee enemies to fight.
or fuckin' zombies with a disease that causes massive ability score damage when I have never had the opportunity to have a Cleric or Druid in the party to heal them up (and even if I did, it's a good possibility they'd be too low to have Restoration)
oh I'm having ice cold water, sooooo nice
@DeadMG The thing is, if there's a GM, his goal is to make sure everyone has fun while in a computer you have to hope the game creators did their job properly.
@TonyTheLion So, ice?
@EtiennedeMartel No. Cold water
21:56
A GM can always fix something if he fucks up.
@TonyTheLion But, water the temperature of ice is just ice.
@EtiennedeMartel oh you
Make the enemies weaker than they actually are, fudge die rolls, whatever.
Yup. Attribute propagation is the trick here. I just wrote 3 different approaches to achieve the desired effect. Have fun :) /cc @Civardi — sehe 28 secs ago
^ man, I like doing this way too much. I need to see a shrink
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm.
21:58
@sehe You do seem to enjoy it.
Yup. Sick, ain't it
Yea, its disturbing :)

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