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6:00 AM
@JerryCoffin Are you familiar with Forth?
 
@ScottW will be able to tell in 5 hours time ^_^
 
@Potatoswatter Somewhat. I only used an actual Forth a little, but I've implemented (parts of) somewhat Forth-like environments a couple of times.
It has been quite a long time since I did anything like that though (late 1980s or very early '90s).
 
@JerryCoffin OF was pretty much pure Forth. Each word was equivalent to a subroutine call (unless it activated "compiler mode"). The whole environment was built of these subroutines, which were exposed to the user through the command line. And there was a disassembler which would pretty-print the source code of any such subroutine or driver.
 
@JerryCoffin ;)
 
I added a C runtime on top of it, and ported a native disassembler through that to be able to poke at anything outside the Forth realm… basically the interrupt vectors and bits of the OS as they were loaded in. My salad days of hacking…
 
6:09 AM
@Potatoswatter Yeah -- I believe the OF spec was based on Sun's boot ROMs. I played with their Forth some, and wrote a few small standalone programs in it on an UltraSPARC 1. Nothing very elaborate though -- just had to do some tests on the hardware that were a little difficult with Solaris in the way.
@Potatoswatter That definitely sounds substantially more elaborate than anything I ever did with it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought you'd enjoy that.
 
@JerryCoffin It was for a hard-drive encryption program that never made it to market. It presented a GUI to ask for the password, then decrypted the bootloader.
 
@Potatoswatter Sounds like fun. Was this for a Sun box or an Apple (if memory serves they used OF on their PowerPC machines, didn't they?)
 
@LucDanton flushing mmaps? Do you refer to fsync? Mapping without fsync is... all but useless, but sync is usually provided separate from the fs layer linux.die.net/man/8/sync
 
@JerryCoffin Apple. Wrote it just as OS X was coming out, which meant it had to load either OS. It was a huge project for a high school student… and I knew nothing about business. So there wasn't a lot of investment from the guy who owned it.
Gotta go…
 
@not-sehe Presumably it's taken care of -- however I can't ask for it.
 
6:15 AM
@Potatoswatter Later.
 
@LucDanton Mmm. How is one supposed to achieve transactional storage if you can't be sure what hits the disk in what order? (it's actually a lot like the memory orderings from the c++ standard, in a way)
 
Well then why does Boost.Interprocess expose a flush function?
 
@not-sehe I would assume you have to make use of OS calls for such things
 
@LucDanton Precisely! You need explicit "barriers" to ensure happens-before w.r.t disk writes. (Like last time, I think within a single process the logical view of a disk for reads is practically guaranteed to be consistent with the writes originating from that process, regardless of what actually hits the disk)
@thecoshman Yes. That's a bit of a no-brainer. I would also assume that boost would abstract that behind a library feature (that's what boost does, after all)
 
So what are you bugging me for? For all I know the Boost.Iostreams version does it on close?
The IP version doesn't require you to call flush for one process. You can also call the function in non-blocking mode, too, which guarantees an eventual flush.
 
6:21 AM
@LucDanton Mmm. That's seems ineffecient. And I was trying to think along. AFAICT you were reporting the fact that IOstreams lacks a sync/flush primitive
@LucDanton That makes sense: it's "just memory" from the one process's standpoint
@LucDanton That's like linux sync(2)
 
@not-sehe Right. I came to the conclusion that it's only relevant for multiprocessing. (By virtue of being the sole difference between Iostreams and IP.)
I could peek at the Iostreams source but tbh I don't feel the need to.
 
@not-sehe nah, why would it do that?
 
@LucDanton Mmm. I wouldn't agree that easily (I'm sure I've linked to flamingspork.com/talks before?)
@LucDanton Ah. I see what you meant, now
 
Possibly a long time ago, no?
 
@thecoshman For the same reason that boost thread exists. And boost filesystem1,2,3,. And boost process. And boost IP. Etc.
 
6:26 AM
@not-sehe A fair amount of slides, reserved for later. Thanks.
 
@LucDanton Possibly :)
May 21 '12 at 12:38, by sehe
@Cicada and the slides: http://downloads.sehe.nl/zfs-fuse/eat_my_data.odp
 
How come you have a whole dir dedicated to FUSE?
 
@LucDanton I know you (like me) don't "dig" techicial talks, but this one was quite instructive (at least compared to the slides by themselves), and I have a copy of it roaming on my server: downloads.sehe.nl/zfs-fuse/File_IO_Safety.ogg
 
44min :(
 
@LucDanton I used to do some development on zfs-fuse from about 0.6.0 to 0.7.x
 
6:30 AM
@not-sehe go talk to @sehe see if he can't explain sarcasm to you :P
 
Fun stuff?
 
@LucDanton The main points are (a) it's not trivial (b) it's hard (c) all OS-es differ (d) all the usual idioms have flaws (not unlike the 'double-checked locking' fiascos) (d) you really want to be very aware of the ordering guarantees of the fs (this is less relevant - a good thing - for memory mapped IO IIRC; mmap is quite robust in terms of metadata/content consistency)
@LucDanton Yeah, mostly :) Implemented user land multi-threading (so that e.g. send/receive works across pools/fs-es on the same host). Some bug fixing. I never really quite grasped the whole thing, so I remember there being issues left with shutdown order and unmounting - nothing that prevented me from putting my moms work PC on zfs-fuse for ~5 years now though :)
 
neat
 
interesting angle people are taking on this issue. Math puns are integral to well being, particularly if they are in a sequence. — Damien 38 mins ago
^ I love this guy.
 
@LucDanton I'm very much switching her over to zfs-on-linux next time she gets a system update. But with all the strangeness of Ubuntu desktop changes she's still been on the LTS for some time. 32-bit, that is :(
 
6:47 AM
to create string array whats wrong with this? giving seg fault:
int main() {
	int i=0;
	char *ch[2];
	for(i=0;i<2;i++)
		{
			gets(ch[i]);
		}

		for(i=0;i<2;i++)
		{
			puts(ch[i]);
		}
    return 0;
}
 
@user2500861 char *ch[2];
 
@MarkGarcia OH YEAH WHAT SIZE I SHOULD GIVE IF I WANT TO ACCOMODATE TWO WORDS?
 
okay, linux question ...
drwxr-xr-x 2 telcat telcat  4096 Jun 25 02:34 ./
-rwxrwxrwx 1 telcat telcat 74280 Jun 25 02:34 p3.PNG
-rw-r--r-- 1 telcat telcat 84986 Jun 25 02:09 p1.PNG
drwxr-xr-x 4 telcat telcat  4096 Jun 25 02:09 ../
-rwx------ 1 telcat telcat 74280 Mar 22 05:37 p2.PNG
In one of my directory, the permissions of the files are like the one listed above
bit shift 3 works for the directories: $group_read = ($mode & S_IRGRP) >> 3;
but I want to print out the permission for individual files
how do I do it?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 you mean something like ls -l p1.png
is that perl?
 
if the mod is 777 (wxtwxrwxr) then read write for all
@thecoshman it is perl
 
6:57 AM
use stat
I think that that's what you want any way
 
currently I am getting this:
 
gtg work
start a new room if you like, or find a perl one an invite me over there,save polluting here with the awesome that is perl
 
@Oli That's not pedantic, that's irrelevant/speculative. Clearly, there is no such bug in the implementation :) — not-sehe 33 secs ago
^ why is everybody trying to explain to me what the preprocessor does?
@OliCharlesworth that proves nothing. He's expecting the wrong thing (on the wrong level of abstraction). See here: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/… GNU cpp is not blatantly broken. — not-sehe 4 secs ago
^ needs upvotes. That comment thread is killing my answer (probably because Oli is 124k rep)
 
JBL
Hi in there !
 
7:10 AM
Yawn
 
@BartekBanachewicz instead of yawning, you could upvote this comment to prevent it from drowning under the fold?
Mawning
 
JBL
That went far for a simple '\' discussion.
 
@JBL It was never a simple question
 
@not-sehe ah missed that one in particular.
@not-sehe I am not sure, the fact that OP is writing some sort of lexer or other fishy stuff is apparent.
Also @Oli using gcc4.2 T_T
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or msvc? Ah, on OSX. Poor chap
@OliCharlesworth " we may veering into a pointless discussion" -- There is a point: you've been wrong and everyone else has been right. Sometimes that happens. Over and out. — Jim Balter 26 secs ago
^ Wow. Claps
 
JBL
7:23 AM
@JimBalter: It's ok, I concede that the standard in no way constrains the implementation here. But I maintain that this GCC behaviour is still misleading (and appears to have been changed over time; 4.2 acts differently to 4.7.2). — Oli Charlesworth 42 secs ago
Gosh he persists !
 
:(
 
That's okay, we can fix our own conceptual models even more easily than FOSS compilers! — not-sehe 47 secs ago
 
Scott is very sleek and sexy.
But he's mine, so keep your hands to yourself! D:<
 
@ScottW Yea <3
 
JBL
@not-sehe Huhu
 
7:28 AM
ohhhh man
waking up is hard
 
Xeo
Mornin
 
@TonyTheLion Are the rumors on the starboard true? Have you become one year older?
 
@Mysticial Getting [C] The Money and Soul of Possiblity
 
@FredOverflow They are true. I became one year older on Sunday.
 
Hopefully it'll be nothing like Love Live! School Idol Project
And it won't make me want to vomit rainbows.
 
7:36 AM
oh you watched it too.
 
NOOOO
WE LOST SCOTT
MAN DOWN, MAN DOWN!
Gets electric pads. HANG ON SCOTT
I'LL SAVE YOU
Claps pads together and tests them. CLEAR.
Zaps.
 
lol
Yea I judged it too.
Faggotry
 
@TonyTheLion Oh. My overdue Happy Birthday to you! :)
 
Sigh.
I don't know why I eagerly refresh my Wide pull request.
He'll never accept it ever and I'll never use Wide. =[
 
@MarkGarcia Thanks :)
 
7:39 AM
@ThePhD You're a desperate.
 
Use Python
Fuck Wide
 
@ScottW Only if it's from you~
 
lol
ugh, gotta go to work
 
and all join my no profitable startup
 
7:44 AM
You have a startup, @Telkitty猫咪咪?
 
Oh.
 
JBL
I swear if this problem isn't solved by the end of the day, tables will be flipped.
Hard.
 
@ScottW lol, we were talking about why people get married when most of us were drunk at the hiking trip
 
Oh.
That place.
@ScottW Not as much as I do. D:<
 
7:56 AM
418 the only response code you need when testing stuff
 
8:18 AM
@TonyTheLion Oh - your birthday. I got you and the robot mixed up. Please forgive me - I was drunk at the time!
 
8:32 AM
Anyone know a good Twitter library for C++? :P
I want to use oauth/streaming
 
JBL
Urgh. The sound I record with OpenAL looks like Cthulhu summoning...
 
@MartinJames No worries
@LightningDust Why do you want to do Twitter stuff in C++? Use something sensible
like Python
 
@TonyTheLion I currently use perl, I want to port that functionality to C++
(C++ and Ada are the only approved languages for this project, and I'm not even going to try Twitter stuff in Ada)
 
8:52 AM
@LightningDust I have no idea what API to use. I don't use Twitter and I don't even want to contemplate having to call a C++ API on it.
Google may be able to help.
 
@TonyTheLion Am searching as we speak, looks to be a nightmare to get oauth/http streaming working under C++ without rolling your own oauth
 
> It may be hard for Americans to wrap their minds around this concept because, in their case, human rights are not directly conferred upon them, constitutionally -- and can be suspended by the Executive Branch or the high court at any time, if it is deemed (often secretly) to be in the best interest of the "defense" of the nation. source
I had no idea
So Americans have "rights" but they can be taken away when "deemed necessary"
WTF
 
Government ftw!
Our rights are granted to us by these benevolent politicians
Who are not at all akin to tyrants, because they just take people's rights away (which is totally different to granting rights to people assumed to have none naturally)
 
9:31 AM
phew, that was fast rep
I hope @jrok won't be angry at me, I spotted it as fast as him but he wrote the comment which is obviously faster :S
@Rapptz true
 
I have no idea what I'm doing.
 
Xeo
Hi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know that feeling
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's how I feel answering questions
also it's raining here.
so I have no reason to leave home
I've been cleaning for like two hours, but decided to take a break
 
9:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, I'm not talking about C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's troubling your CPU, then?
hm, I've also answered a dupe question.
damn, looking through SO it feels like there's a ton of them
it should be merged in somehow
@BoltClock how about some unicorn magic when you have some free time? Or @Flexo, perhaps? I am talking about merging ADL Qs/As into one FAQ (I humbly admit of adding my own piece to this mess today).
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz Which one ? (ADL related ?)
 
@JBL yep
Should've just closed that as a dupe.
 
JBL
Haha +105 for a dupe ?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Answer, get accepted, close, profit!
 
9:58 AM
@Griwes "I hereby claim this question" :D
@JBL The most upvoted answer about ADL has 27 upboats (and it just says, more or less "It's because of ADL"). The best one (by Alok Save) has 20.
wow it's really raining as fuck now
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
@BartekBanachewicz It just stopped here, but it was raining as fuck all night.
 
@Griwes meh, I'm glad, had enough of this heat already. I can't think, thus work, when it's too hot (well at work we keep steady 18 degrees, but at home...)
 
@not-sehe Interesting talk.
 
Xeo
wherewhenhow?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's why I was doing everything creative at night, when the temperature stayed below 24°C :P
 
10:02 AM
aha.
 
4 hours ago, by not-sehe
@LucDanton I know you (like me) don't "dig" techicial talks, but this one was quite instructive (at least compared to the slides by themselves), and I have a copy of it roaming on my server: http://downloads.sehe.nl/zfs-fuse/File_IO_Safety.ogg
 
Xeo
thx
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, fuck the rain. I don't want to buy an umbrella.
 
lol @BartekBanachewicz i just edited the opengl question
u are too bad! ;D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bought a giant one that could fit me and my GF under it, not afraid of rain anymore!
@nicolagenesin why? Posting comments in form of answers is bad and misleading.
also come on what's with the formatting.
aaaalso don't say "above" answer, because the order of answers might change
@nicolagenesin meh, try again, still -1 from me. (it's simply more wrong now)
 
10:09 AM
lol i dont give a ... about -1
anyway its an useful answer
 
> A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's steering wheel stuck to the front of his pants. The bartender asks, "Hey, doesn't that hurt?" The pirate growls, "Aye, it's drivin' me nuts."
 
@nicolagenesin no, because it's wrong.
 
> What do you call a fake noodle? An impasta!
 
HOW he draws the line is uncorrect
i explained that part
 
s/uncorrect/incorrect
 
JBL
10:13 AM
@TonyTheLion Huhu !
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can't eat my cake and have it too.
 
@LucDanton a bit abbrasive, IRC, but thought provoking none-the-less :)
 
@nicolagenesin this whole question should be downvoted to death and closed
 
I have no idea about questions :|
 
15 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@JBL The most upvoted answer about ADL has 27 upboats (and it just says, more or less "It's because of ADL"). The best one (by Alok Save) has 20.
and they are scattered.
Dupe links to another dupe that links to something quite irrelevant.
 
10:14 AM
Well, shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bebes a cerveja?
 
@not-sehe Am I right in concluding that in the context of what I was doing B.Iostreams is at worst as evil as every library that doesn't provide access to the underlying OS resource? I.e. yeah you can't sync, but neither can you with Standard streams.
 
(I”m learning Portuguese …)
 
@BartekBanachewicz even if it doesn't, it depends on the sort order the user chooses. Not to mention that answers might get paged
@LucDanton I'd say so. The thing I'd take away from it is this: If you're doing something that needs to be transactional you better fine tune it to the OS (and check required FS mounting options if applicable)
 
10:16 AM
@not-sehe yup. Link to the answer, or if you can't be arsed, spell the other answerer's name /cc @nicolagenesin
 
Gotcha.
 
@KonradRudolph Depending on what you mean, you should either drop the article, or make it the indeterminate one ("uma")
 
never mind, it'd be over your head :D (takes time to get used to the pace of chat)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also speaking of rain, there was a bit of hail here
 
10:18 AM
His umbrella is armored
 
sure it is.
I bought it mostly to complement my top hat.
 
Umbrellas are too unwieldy.
What do you do with them when it is not raining?
 
lol
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stab people's eyes.
 
10:20 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hang over my arm or put it on my bag parallel to the ground.
 
hello there, it is quite weird that there are more people in C++ chat than in any other
 
@SoulSharer it is not C++ chat
 
What about all the rainwater?
 
@BartekBanachewicz but it says Lounge<C++> isn't it?
 
@SoulSharer Lounge first, C++ second :)
 
10:23 AM
@BartekBanachewicz oh, I see :P
 
@Xeo Not being a psychopath, that pretty much explains why I don't want to buy one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can either use that fancy cover you get with nice umbrellas, or simply shake it firmly and then wrap tightly, so it's not really a problem. Much less than being all soaked, anyway.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mmm. He's fatter bigger than sbi
 
inb4 not-sbi
 
C++ programmers have more stamina.
Also, they're just less boring.
 
10:24 AM
@not-sehe maybe he is 64-bit
 
Just nick one :)
(being a sociopath would help there)
 
@not-sehe We have a bunch of company ones standing near the entrance so you can borrow one if you need it. They don't have the Intel logo on them, though, so I don't use them much.
 
...
 
oh well the second line changes the sense a bit.
@Xeo you can also hide a wand (like Hagrid) in them, or, in even more hardcore version, a blade
but that's illegal in many places/countries. (falling under "concealed weapons")
 
is it legal anywhere?
@BartekBanachewicz conceiled, Shirly?
 
10:28 AM
flipping a dictionary
 
Hint: you were once conceived. (Not jus conceptually, and certainly not immaculate(ly))
 
@not-sehe woopsie. But I believe concealed is the right word
 
it is
conceiled is not a word.
 
well his typo is certainly less funny.
 
@DeadMG It means that you were entombed in the ceiling.
@BartekBanachewicz Your problem rating scheme does not match mine.
 
10:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes “beer in general”. “de cerveja”?
 
@KonradRudolph No, just "Bebes cerveja".
 
> "My work, my acting has always been influenced by the German composer Wagner. Now that I have been able to listen to many metal albums, I realize that the genre is a direct evolution of the world and the sounds that Wagner imagined. I am of course very pleased and honored to have been able to carry these themes through."
Christopher Lee for teh win.
 
(I’m not very far yet, but in the last lesson I learned to say “the spider and the tiger eat bread” – makes perfect sense)
 
Like "Do you drink beer?". Not "Do you drink a beer?" nor "Do you drink the beer?".
 
@BartekBanachewicz Damn. What a time to get connection troubles. Can't even fix my typo-OCD
 
10:34 AM
@KonradRudolph Oooh, you can pronounce "nh"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm, that’s actually not too hard, I’ve got more problems with “ão” even though the (almost-?)same sound exists in French … but actually I’m taking lessons on Duolingo.com, so I have no idea how good my pronunciation is …
 
@BartekBanachewicz This:
 
@KonradRudolph "nh" is similar to "gn" in French too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would have said “ñ” in Spanish but whatever works ;)
 
@KonradRudolph Yeah, that one works too.
 
10:37 AM
> Two fish are in a tank. One turns to the other and says, "how do you drive this thing?"
 
well, no, I didn't throw a book in the air.
flipping *through*, huh?
 
I don't think French has something close enough to "ão", though.
Something like "am", yes ("en").
 
Also apparently our uni's nanotechnology center has a leaking roof
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well according to my [pt-pt, fr-fr] girlfriend, “pão” is pronounced almost the same as “pain” in French
 
A few million investment now shows totally broken when faced with a... rain.
 
10:39 AM
@KonradRudolph Hmm... with some southern accents it isn't that different, true.
 
rain man; reigning your parade
 
why did I have to wake up so early
I'm tired
 
@KonradRudolph May I ask where she is from?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You may but I have no clue, it’s some back-ass village land-locked in the middle of the country ;/
but most of her life she’s lived near Lisbon
 
Yeah, that would be the right accent.
 
10:45 AM
Corroios, to be precise
 
No clue. She just fell from the sky!
A veritable fallen angel, you know
 
mwuahahahahaha
 
I have not jogged for 5 days straight, although I hiked for like 10 hours on the weekend. I can feel the fat ozzling around my waist
sigh ... but it is raining
 
yay Nice Answer
 
Xeo
And another one confusing Decay<T> with Unqualified<T> :( stackoverflow.com/a/17295238/500104
 
11:00 AM
I have no idea what I'm doing :/
 
omg tony, just realised my cat kind of looks like the one in your avatar - except the mane is a wig
 
lol
> Why does Snoop Dogg carry an umbrella? Fo' drizzle.
> Whoever invented knock knock jokes should get a no bell prize.
dat pun
 
@BoltClock Woah 3x Reddit Gold
lol
 
And a 5-digit score
 
11:08 AM
Who the heck is Snoop Lion?
 
Snoop Dog
The artist/rapper
 
Snoop Dogg. He grew man(e)ly
 
o u
 
> On July 31, 2012, Snoop introduced a new stage name, Snoop Lion. He told reporters that he was rechristened Snoop Lion by a Rastafarian priest in Jamaica.
the whole article is nice, but that caught my eye too
> Kool Moe Dee refers to Snoop's use of vocabulary, saying he "keeps it real simple...he simplifies it and he's effective in his simplicity".
> Popularized by rap artist Snoop Dogg, from a style of cant (esoteric slang) used by African American pimps and jive hustlers of the 1970s. The “-iz, -izzle, -izzo, -ilz” speak, similar in some ways to Pig Latin, was developed by African Americans around the period of the Harlem Renaissance.
MOARiz.
 
> What do you call a pile of kittens? A "Meow"ntain.
 
11:17 AM
On a slightly different topic, I think that Slash is a tad overrated.
 
11:35 AM
hm, if I get 60 50 rep more I could hit 7k today
exam tomorrow
 
Runtime runny = Runtime.getRuntime();
runny.freeMemory(); //performance
 
Xeo
Guys, I want external interfaces in the languages I actually use. :(
 
@Xeo that sounds silly
if you use them why do you want to not use them? :)
 
@LucDanton Where did that come from?
 
Xeo
11:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Read again.
 
@Xeo so you don't want to use them, but you have to?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I basically mean concepts (with concept maps) / type-classes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TDWTF. Short and sweet!
 
derp.
> Jon checked the source control system and discovered a recent check-in by a new-hire touched nearly every file. The check-in comment read, “Performance enhancements; reduced memory usage.”
 
Xeo
It feels much better to not have the interface tightly linked to the class hierarchy of something, and still be able to specify exactly what I need that type to do.
Fammit, Haskell, fammit!
 
11:38 AM
@LucDanton hahhaha, it's Java! haha.
 
you know, these WTFs keep amazing me
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is he trying to record the screen with the camera, or is there something else?
 
@Jeffrey you could read the article, it's one of the latest
 
I don't know what you are talking about. What article?
 
JBL
11:48 AM
Oh, didn't know thedailywtf.com
Bookmarked.
 
"Build Solution" => VS crashes. Great.
 
Xeo
...
 
@JBL you live under the rock or something?
@R.MartinhoFernandes is it the time for rant on VS already?
I thought Not-So-Anonymous MSVS Haters club starts later.
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz No, just that I'm not aware of every single "kill-my-productivity"-like website.
Should I feel ashamed ?
(Well, dumb question)
 
@JBL newbie.
 
11:53 AM
Yes.
 
I wish I could do like in movies and just cut to "eight weeks later".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You would be dead soon
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes cue Click-remote.
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz Meh ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd just like to forward to the end of this week
 

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