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1:35 AM
Morning guys
or night
 
1:53 AM
@DeanSeo There's a concept of "chat time" (or something on that order) in which (basically) whenever you join the chat is "morning" and whenever you leave is "evening" or "night". So, good morning.
 
2:03 AM
@JerryCoffin Oh wow, didn't know that. Yeah, good morning. :)
It's been a while here.
 
@DeanSeo Your name looks familiar, but I don't remember enough beyond that to be sure whether I saw you earlier today, or five years ago...
 
2:27 AM
@JerryCoffin Probably in the middle of them. Since you guys are here for a long time I remember quite many, the French guy who regularly changes his profile, the cpu torturer with a millions of SO points notification inbox being unread, and the Sol2 owner who I guess happened to chat more often at CppLang and you of course. :)
I left the company but I still think Sol2 was such a killer btw. I just let Sol2 do all the dirty work and could leave work early.
and of course I remember you too, @JerryCoffin :-)
 
 
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8:06 AM
@JerryCoffin For a site that monetises through advertisements or conversion to sales, yes. But you could sell many programmers on career dig up a lot of potatoes and feed a person or sell an enterprise version of software to a big corporation hunt down a giant hog and feed an entire village.
Ideally, you brand your site to better your chance of getting what you are after.
But either ways Stackoverflow should not choose the same branding strategy as icanhas.cheezburger.com
 
 
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10:05 AM
I was using Netbeans and I could compile and run my project ok. I then copied the source code and tried compiling it from the command line. It didn't work, even with the correct linker options. I realized I had forgotten to #include <gmpxx.h>. How come Netbeans didn't have a problem? Does it automatically include some libraries?
 
Try to figure out the exact command line used by Netbeans and check if there's any difference with the command line you're using.
 
 
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12:43 PM
Whole page worth at a time from anonymous.
What does it mean?
People don't want to be known? One or a few wealthy backer(s) who donated multiple times? A few anonymous users who caused rest of the herd to be anonymous too?
One thing is almost certain, gofundme site is making a fortune quietly.
 
1:06 PM
@TelKitty people don't want their names associated with something public? That's quite understandable?
 
@Mgetz Why is that? They are not proud of what they are doing?
 
nwp
Why do you think they are not?
 
are we at "if you have nothing to hide" levels yet?
 
@PeterT Pretty much.
 
nwp
Your name alone is something worth hiding. That's why most people do not use their actual name as a user name.
 
1:10 PM
@TelKitty no just not everybody wants to have a public persona? Some people like their privacy
 
Election is anonymous because we are just all looking after our own interest and some of us don't want people to know.
 
nwp
That's not the reason at all.
 
election is anonymous in large part to prevent certain kinds of manipulation
 
@nwp Not in this case, no.
 
vote buying, vote retaliation, etc.
 
1:13 PM
@PeterT Anonymity enables manipulation but reduces retribution.
 
nwp
@TelKitty That's just not true.
The idea that SO goes through the list and bans accounts from backers because they provably support what they consider discrimination is reasonable enough that that alone is reason to want to stay anonymous.
 
So you are telling me that donors are anonymous because they are afraid?
 
It's all speculation unless you think one of us was among the donors
 
nwp
Fear of retaliation is probably one of the reasons. Too bad they are anonymous and we can't ask them.
 
@nwp or employers, or the state, or other actors. There are a lot of less than friendly actors out there
 
1:16 PM
It's always game to find out reason(s) behind certain phenomenon - it's fun :p
 
nwp
If you consider (open-ended discussions that can't have a conclusion where nobody learned anything) fun then sure.
That sentence needs parenthesis or something.
 
Joseph Theophorus $1,000 2 days ago
Biggest donor.
@nwp Are you sure nobody learned anything? I have learnt how you guys thought of the issue :p
A friend of mine told me long time ago that one way to not tell too much information about yourself is not to speak at all. But of course I still talk too much. I don't care.
 
 
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4:55 PM
Who is Monica? What are the people on meta doing?
I have a glimpse of meta, but I had no idea what they are doing there
 
nwp
@Dexter A well-respected and nice mod who got fired for stating she'd want to avoid using pronouns. Together with twitter posts about how discriminating she is which caused her IRL problems. Something like that at least.
 
Mod = moderator?
 
nwp
yes
 
I don't know what is the problem using pronouns
Xd
 
nwp
The problem is that if someone says "I'm a trans girl, use she please" and you say "You're just a confused dude so I'll use he" then that's being an asshole and you shouldn't do that.
And they tried to press that into rules about when you can and cannot use which pronouns which got very complicated.
 
5:11 PM
and using "he" in a gender neutral way is soo early 2000's
 
nwp
Monica said something like "Just use the username, problem solved" which SO considers discrimination because you don't respect the trans girl. So she got fired.
 
fired? I thought she was just a volunteer mod?
 
nwp
Yeah, just the diamond.
 
you can still get forcibly removed from that position
 
I don't get why she get fired, and I don't get her suggestion either
But who knows who is which gender anyway on stack overflow?
 
nwp
5:15 PM
@Dexter People tell you. And you have to respect what they tell you. But you can forget. But you can't forget only trans girls' pronouns because that's discrimination. It's complicated.
SO's CoC: "Dexter doesn't get it. They have a coffee cup profile picture."
"They" is the default until you specify which one you want and I must use that.
Monica's suggestion: "Dexter doesn't get it. Dexter has a coffee cup profile picture."
 
XD
I prefer Dexter
Do you guys have a holiday tomorrow?
I feel so bored on holidays
 
5:33 PM
@nwp At least from what she claims, Monica didn't even do that much. She just asked something like "what if I care enough about grammar that I don't want to use 'they' or 'them' as a singular pronoun?"
 
@JerryCoffin I suspect monica was blunt, and other people took that to be callous disregard when it wasn't.
 
Why is she so famous?
And why people know she was fired? It's a private thing
It feels strange
 
@Dexter She was a mod on quite a few sites, and she asked a question publicly because of how things went down since SE refused to talk to her.
They did everything but ban her
 
:/
 
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Q: Firing mods and forced relicensing: is Stack Exchange still interested in cooperating with the community?

amon The last weeks and days have seen some erratic behaviour by Stack Exchange Inc., such as likely illegal changes to the content license and the firing of an upstanding community moderator with no explanation except copy-pasted responses (leaving many to believe it was for no good reason). It wou...

 
@Mgetz Could be. Given the circumstances, it wouldn't be at all surprising if she was at least a little short--she openly admitted that at one point, she was writing a message just before a Jewish holiday started, so doing it in a hurry wouldn't be surprising at all.
@Mgetz Certainly the same general idea has been used with QR codes. As invalidating prior art, it's open to question though. Prior art is supposed to include an element that's equivalent to each limitation in a patent's claims. In this case, the patent claims specify: "provide the image of the check from the camera to a depository via a communication pathway between the mobile device and the depository". I doubt anybody's done what with QR codes.
 
@JerryCoffin honestly I think the entire thing is probably not Alice valid, but an appeals court will have to determine that
 
That leaves the "obviousness" argument--was it obvious to do this, in light of QR codes having done it. That used to be really difficult to prove--the CAFC had put together a 3-part test in which you had to show teaching of each separate item, and (the hard part) something specific leading toward combining the elements as specified (e.g., books talk about the two pieces, and one has a bibliography that points to the other).
Since KSR v. Teleflex, that's no longer accepted as law, but SCOTUS' decision there was based heavily upon there being a limited number of possibilities to try, and it being obvious to try them until you found one that worked. This is open-ended enough that it's probably not going to fit that criteria either.
@Mgetz I'd agree that at very best it's on the border of being too abstract to be valid.
 
6:20 PM
@JerryCoffin to me between prior art and abstractness it's probably invalid overall
 
@Mgetz The problem is that legally each of those has to pretty much stand alone. Either prior art, by itself, invalidates a claim, or else it doesn't. Likewise, abstractness either invalidates a claim (by itself) or else it doesn't. Legally, you can't combine the two to say: "here's the part that doesn't have prior art, and it's too abstract."
 
@JerryCoffin understood, each could apply to each claim but you'd probably only bother to prove one to save time
no point in proving both if you can do half the work
 
@Mgetz You might well argue both, in case the court disagreed with you about one. But each argument still has to stand entirely by itself. You can't combine the two arguments, saying "this element is obvious, and that one is abstract". You can argue that a claim (as a whole) is obvious, and/or that a claim as a whole is abstract. But each has to cover an entire claim.
 
6:38 PM
Yep got that
 
I'd also note, however, that QR codes aren't even close to the only prior art. For quite a while now, cameras have had things like blink detection and smile detection, so when you press the button, they start to look at the pictures and keep a picture where everybody's smiling and nobody's blinking. Different criteria, but USAA's claims don't specify what criteria you use.
Doing a quick check, the first camera with smile detection was apparently the Sony DSC T200, released in 2007, roughly two years prior to the patent.
 
 
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10:48 PM
Sometimes I don't sees thing that are there, but I have this weird ability to sense oddity when it's present.
 
11:11 PM
@Mikhail That guy is proof that when it comes to getting your blog known, actually knowing the subject matter is secondary to just jotting something down every time you turn around, no matter how obvious or mediocre the content may be.
 
This is true but some of these are funny
Also this guy was pretty cool, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Deschanel
 
@Mikhail Some of them are--and in fact that particular blog entry isn't too bad. But he's written a whole lot of stuff where it took him two or three weeks to work up to auto sum = std::accumulate(numbers.begin(), numbers.end()); and such.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah I know, I now recognize the blog
 

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