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12:00 AM
Mental health toolkit: bottle, corkscrew, glass.
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Hmm..well, at least you got one out of three. On the other hand, cell phones are most of what make us need to work on our mental health, so it probably negates the alcohol so it ends up as essentially nothing.
 
12:15 AM
@TelKitty I feel like that cat has posed for many similar photos many a time.
 
Model cat paid per pose :p
Seems there are more problems - person who expressed interest to be the guest speaker in the next A.I. in robotic group meeting would not return my messages, my last message was sent to her a week ago. There are already 29 people signed up for the event. One rooster started crowing, he needs to be sent to the farm, but there are more urgent issue to be taken care of in Sydney.
 
1:10 AM
@JerryCoffin Classic Wilcox =) That Fifi!
 
@CaptainGiraffe Here Fifi!
 
This room is getting invaded by boomers
 
@Mikhail No bombs allowed.
 
 
Fifi, can detect bombs.
Oh, Fifi is defunct.
 
1:24 AM
That feel when you notice your meme folder is on your work computer
Also my work desktop turns 3 this year, happy birthday you multisocket hyperbeast
 
This is pathetic. This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen on this site. I've met incredibly brilliant people on this site and you're besmirching the incredible brain power at your very fingertips. Fuck ya'll. So fucking stupid. — John 2 mins ago
^^ Wow, that got upvoted quite quickly.
And deleted quite quickly.
 
It just wants to watch world burn.
Oct 4 at 12:02, by TelKitty
I, for one, totally support this pronoun thing, I will start by addressing my enemies as 'it'!
But ... what if my enemies don't see me as an enemy? Why have I never thought of this?
 
1:40 AM
I quite possibly commited a bannable offense by addressing Jerry. Hrumpf, sorry JC. I'm still in the dark here whether I'm required to address our guru our leader and hero as "His majesty, the infallible genius".
 
@Mysticial Wow, that's scary stuff.
 
I thought Jerry was our spirit animal?
 
No, you dense twat. Giraffe is our spirit animal!
 
A Giraffe isn't a real animal.
 
Now I'm sadder than the sad man who won last years sad man competition.
 
1:46 AM
Is it wrong to think a person who provides essentials to the world: e.g. housing, electricity gets to rule over people who fuss about the trivial things?
 
that depends
 
^ real issues
Kinda funny how SO is blowing up for last years social issues.
 
wat
 
ITT, US has never had a female president. There are issues more deep rooted than what people are willing to discuss.
 
2:03 AM
@TelKitty even pakistan had a female Prime Minister
 
2:50 AM
no ulterior motives
 
3:06 AM
@Mysticial clamped downvotes and now ^
 
looks like a mistake
 
i hope they dont remove it
i know rep doesnt mean you know a lot about something but its still a start
 
 
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Q: Should we tolerate this kind of sexism

anon So some users think the only ones using this site should be a 'he'. Is this tolerated behaviour? I wasn't going to even start this question, but another user notified me and addressed her concern. I have decided to take step to fight this. Stack Overflow lacks women representation, I usually ...

June 2018: There was a TL discussion about gender-neutral pronouns and then "preferred pronouns". (I know they're not "preferred", but this was the phrasing used by the people bringing it up.) Some moderators who are not native English speakers expressed confusion.
So it's okay for users on this site to address women as 'he', but if a trans wants to be 'they', it must be tolerated.
 
@TelKitty Are female head of states/primes/ministers better for women?
 
This site beats my expectation (of some kind) all the times. Speaking of which, I have not pay attention to Darwin Award lately. BRB.
@curiousguy It's better for the country as a whole generally.
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There are exceptions of course.
 
Merkel did something good?
 
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GDP must be one of the most inane "metric" out there.
Also Germany benefited a lot from the EU - with absolute contempt for its laws. The EU is Germany+.
The law less behavior of Germany with total silence from the "intellectuals" is insanity. You can't have a union w/o rules. That's just one of the many reasons the EU is hugely unpopular in Europe, and the anti EU parties are getting a lot of vote despite constant media bashing of their positions, their members and their ideas, the same media that accepts the most inane statement from another politician [lately: breast cancer on the rise because pesticide --Ségolène Royal (socialist)]
There are only two things French journalists don't let pass from politicians: support for anything "right wing" and criticism of a vaccine. Period. Any inane support of the EU is OK, even in the form of "the EU supports French agriculture" (we do through our taxes).
 
5:54 AM
@curiousguy GDP measure is not the most ideal, but it's better than all other measures.
German heads the EU, one main reason being it has the highest GDP.
 
GDP includes state misspending. If the state builds a railway to nowhere, it's "wealth". LOL
 
But how other countries are better in that sense?
 
Germany imposes its will on the EU. It's undemocratic and lawless.
 
So does US, also because it has the highest GDP.
Is it ideal? No. But this is how this world works.
 
France for all its systematic lawlessness doesn't have a separate electric energy market for big consumers.
The US has high effective wealth, not just state spending. The GDP might have excellent correlation w/ wealth, it doesn't mean it isn't a toxic stat.
 
6:00 AM
Germany has smaller wealth gap between the rich and poor than the US. It's considered a fairer country.
 
Ppl who get the flu vaccine are also in better health and get the flu less often. Doesn't prove the vaccine is beneficial. It's a toxic stat.
Germany has a huge energy poverty issue. It's an horribly unfair country. The elite doesn't care about the working class.
 
I don't think you know what you are talking about. I have better things to do.
 
Do you know the electric energy price in Germany?
 
 
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7:04 AM
The Energy price isn't cheap. But I mean things like gasoline are taxed highly in pretty much any european country.
The welfare system isn't really adequate to compensate for it, but if it were I wouldn't mind them raising the cost of energy. Pricing in extranalities is one of the duties I think a government has to its citizens
 
8:04 AM
Hello there
 
 
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9:22 AM
500 member!
Sooner than I thought.
 
 
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1:17 PM
I used to write code like that.
However, not anymore. The template breaks all tooling.
using ipaddr = typename InetTraits::address_type;
^ This is 100% opaque for the IDE.
And also for the human reader.
I've gone back to a more classic OOP style. With abstract base classes and stuff. It's really nice when the IDE's code completion, navigation and refactoring works.
 
nwp
It's also really sad that you have to let your feature set be decided by your IDE.
 
1:44 PM
Tool-friendliness, compile times, readability, .. it all matters. I don't mind that.
 
 
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3:15 PM
Tooling is for the weak
Turns out that my IDE handles templates as smoothly as every other feature in the language
That's what I get for using Code::Blocks
 
^ Really good talk.
It's actually about programming. Trying to solve the same problem using object oriented, functional and data oriented.
And it's by Godbolt :)
@Morwenn Do you really Code::Blocks?
 
3:31 PM
 
 
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5:12 PM
@Mgetz After a week has passed, I'm gonna need to run my query for suspended users on MSE.
lol
 
@Mysticial oh it just got worse, I'm not going to link to it. This dumpter fire doesn't need fanning
 
@Mgetz PEEEZZAAALEE link? :D:D:D:D
 
@Mysticial take a look at the frontpage of dumpster fires meta.stackexchange.com
 
Oh all the new meta posts?
 
@Mikhail What are its specs?
 
5:14 PM
I thought you were referring to more than that.
 
@Mysticial more missteps by staff
 
@Mgetz wait, more? I haven't seen them post on any of the various rage-quit posts and such.
You mean the retweet?
 
@Mgetz You're right. It doesn't need fanning--it needs some gasoline! :-)
 
@JerryCoffin If you pour enough gasoline on a fire quickly enough, it can put out the fire.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, we discussed that a few days ago.
 
5:27 PM
@JerryCoffin Wait, it was here?
That had to have been more than a few days ago. lol My memory sucks.
 
@Mysticial At my advanced age, any thing less than a decade counts as a few days. :-)
 
6:04 PM
@Mysticial The retweet looks like a big enough one that it drowns out most of the others. It's a little like: "oh look, my school board acted like assho...oh shit, look what Trump did today!"
 
6:27 PM
@StackedCrooked Yes I do x)
Even though they implemented fewer features since I started using it in 2010 than VSCode in a month
 
I'm using QtCreator. But it's a build from 2013. Because after that it became extremely slow if the code was loaded from a sshfs mount.
 
I'm using Qt Creator at work too
But it starts to die whenever I do some template stuff
 
@Morwenn starting using and hate it.
 
At least Code::Blocks scales: syntax highlighting everywhere and no semantic highlighting whatsoever x)
 
7:26 PM
@JerryCoffin no kidding. When I saw that earlier (on a different meta post), I was like, really? WTF? Just when I thought SE couldn't go any lower, they find a way to do so anyway. It's like the 1st year of Trump's presidency. Not that has changed now, it's just that we've gotten so used to things now that we react changes in the derivative rather than the derivative itself.
 
7:36 PM
/sigh can we get back to talking about interesting things like... computers and code and crap
 
How is that interesting? x)
 
@Morwenn 'cause I'm a nerd and that's what I care about?
 
The really interesting part is the human interaction around things we're passionate about :')
 
7:54 PM
To you maybe, I'm not much of a people person
 
@Mgetz Says the person who's still at it in the Tavern. :P:P:P
 
@Mysticial meh
it's friday and I can't focus
 
@Mgetz Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot exciting at the moment on the hardware front. The biggest "news" I've seen so far today is that Intel announced end of life for the Omnipath equipped Xeons--but for that high-end of parts, EOL announcement means last order is six months from now, and last ship is a year from now. Vendors will probably have a few machines on hand even then, so they'll be available long after almost anybody cares.
 
@JerryCoffin Omnipath?
I take it it didn't sell well
 
@Mysticial One point: it seems to be much more Sarah Chipps than SE in general.
@Mgetz On-chip fabric hardware.
 
8:01 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm not so sure anymore:
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 16 mins ago, by Robert Harvey
Has anyone here seen the SE staff high-fiving each other on Twitter?
 
@Mgetz These are expensive enough parts, that I'm not really even certain what would qualify as selling well for them. Processors in the $5-9K range are never going to sell the kind in anything like the quantity you expect for a $100 laptop part, or anything like that.
 
@JerryCoffin well normally nobody pays retail for those. The OEMs negotiate price per tray that's far below that
 
@Mysticial That is pretty disturbing (especially coming from the CTO--the same guy who just a day or two ago published the one SE post in this mess that looked at least a little encouraging.
 
@JerryCoffin given the date it looks to have been pro-forma
I'm not reading much into it
 
@Mgetz Undoubtedly true--but even if they paid only 50% (or even only 25%), it still restricts sales volume pretty drastically.
 
8:11 PM
@JerryCoffin true, the vast majority of processors they sell are in the 2.4 ghz range commodity server chips
 
@Mgetz I'll try to keep an optimistic outlook on it.
@Mgetz As always, the low-end dominates.
 
The thing is... AMD is about to each their lunch there
particularly from the EPYC numbers I've seen
 
In a completely separate area, Nikon seems to have pissed off a number of their fans this week. They announced the 50 mm f/0.95 Nocturnal (interestingly, also with an $8000 price tag) for the Nikon Z-series mirrorless bodies. Right now, most of their Z-series lenses are fairly low-end models, and many think they should work on pro-level (but still somewhat accessible) lenses before spending time on a lens like this that almost nobody cares about.
@Mgetz I think AMD's already been hurting them pretty badly, and it's just getting worse.
 
@JerryCoffin well if AMD starts seeing large sales of trays into that market intel will likely start to play hardball
 
8:29 PM
@Mgetz Undoubtedly, but it's going to hurt Intel quite a bit as well--even though volumes are lower, they've had much better profit margins in the high-end server chips. If AMD forces them to reduce the profit margins there, investors (in particular) are likely to see it as a pretty serious problem for Intel.
 
awwww.... no meta drama
3
 
@Mgetz The other big thing that hurts is that sales in this area tend to be much longer term. Since you aren't selling anything like the volume you do with laptops, vendors generally prefer to use the same motherboard (and such) for as long as they can, so if AMD starts to get some decent volume there, there's essentially no chance that Intel can recover that market share in much less than 3 years or so at the bare minimum.
 
@JerryCoffin My guess is they can insofar as they can show that Zen2+ will likely be a winner
which it should be
 
@Mgetz Everything I've seen so far looks like it, anyway.
 
I reckon I would make a good leader: instead of power, I see all the responsibilities come with it.
 
8:38 PM
IRTA good dealer
 
8:52 PM
@Mysticial Almost 5:00 pm on the east coast, so I doubt there'll be a whole lot new (at least from the SE side) until Monday.
 
9:09 PM
@JerryCoffin Give it hope, even if just keeping the world burn which no upright people would want to see.
 
@TelKitty I'm tempted to say that here in the Lounge, we should prohibit all non-gendered pronouns--so even if you want to refer to a group people of mixed sex/gender, you have to use "men and women" rather than "they" or "them". :-)
Hard to do in practice though--note that the preceding sentence has at least 3 non-gendered pronouns--but we could make up new pronouns as gendered versions of "we", "you", and so on... :-)
 
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9:31 PM
@Mgetz Honestly this makes it seem more odd to me. Assuming if the more apparent it was, the more likely he would be to voice his opinion on it, feels like not much was needed to get him to disagree with the other staff.
 
user8104581
Oh, I read that wrong, it looked to me the CTO was the one that commented on the high-fiving thing.
 
Hey, I finally fixed a long-standing bug in timsort
 
@Morwenn In timsort in general, or just in your implementation of it (well, the one in your library anyway)?
 
In gfx cpp-TimSort
I'm the new maintainer :p
It happens to be in my library (since 2015 I think), but now I also maintain it upstream ^^'
 
@Morwenn Ah, very cool. Unfortunately, I've yet to see a non-gendered version of 'sort master'/'sort-mistress' to use for you.
 
9:39 PM
Guess that I'll call it slave instead :')
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@Morwenn Given that it's related to a specific kind of labor, "serf" is probably closer.
@NathanOliver: Hello. How are you today?
 
Doing well. It's friday and the day is almost done. Yourself?
 
@NathanOliver Much the same (though it's only mid-afternoon here in California).
 
Looks like you have power too so that's nice :)
 
It's almost midnight here
 
9:47 PM
@NathanOliver Power?
 
I'm waiting for my brother to finish streaming to eat raclette
And maybe drink kir or beer
 
Thought power cut was only near SF
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. Doesn't like 500,000 people not have power because they are concerned about forest fires?
 
So Jerry is safe(ly chatting in the lounge)
 
@NathanOliver Yeah. It's really stupid. My parents (who live in California) are bitching about it quite a bit. They haven't had their power cut yet, but the fear of not knowing when it will be cut is like WTF.
 
9:50 PM
California dreaming
 
@NathanOliver Oh, that. Yeah, that's all on Northern California (whereas I'm in San Diego, about as far south as you can get before "California" turns into "Baja California".
 
I bet. I've heard some people have had it off for days.
@JerryCoffin Ah. All the San's blur together for me so I never remember where any of them are.
 
On the other hand, they considered Tuesday through Thursday "red flag" days, indicating the right conditions for fires (hot, dry, windy), which is sort of a warning that they could decide to cut power at almost any time.
 
That's not to say that nothing should be done to prevent a repeat of Paradise from last year. But the feeling I get right now (having not heard the full story) is that PG&E might be spiting the public.
 
I'd rather the err on the side of caution, but really they should fix their equipment. I've been in forest fire areas in Wisconsin and they never have to shut of the power for fear of starting a fire.
 
9:54 PM
@Mysticial Maybe. I can also see where (given the circumstances) they may just be erring on the side of excessive caution. Perhaps extremely excessive.
 
Welp, it's go time. Y'all have a good day/night.
 
@NathanOliver Good night. You too.
 
10:43 PM
As the political upheaval in Hong Kong continues unabated, property searches from the troubled city zeroing in on Australia continue to grow. These were the top Australian suburbs for Hong Kong property seekers in August*:

1. Chatswood
2. Epping (NSW)
3. Doncaster
4. Gold Coast
5. Artarmon
Of course I wish world peace, at least that's what I say on the internet. But ...
In Chinese, 'crisis' consists of two characters: 危机. The first means danger, the other means opportunity. Someone's danger is someone else's opportunity.
Top the list is where my parents investment property located.
I haven't seen much up swing in the past month or so, but you know, this kind of things takes months if not years.
In a way I am worse than mysti, not do I watch the burning from across the river, I would probably benefit from it indirectly.
 
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