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7:00 PM
@HSF3232 I wonder how long until you install Windows and VS
we're actually trying to push for linux builds on windows at work
with WSL and VS remote builds it can get pretty seamless
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz -_- No. I do that, and it becomes bound to Windows. No Cross-platformabilty at all.
 
@HSF3232 on what basis?
use a CMAKE project
 
@HSF3232 yeah, no. Maybe in 2012 or something
 
user7015372
@Mgetz On the basis that Visual Studio will try to link every bit of windows into the library. WHICH i don't want.
 
@HSF3232 also no
so when did you use VS last time
 
7:03 PM
@HSF3232 That's not how the linker works
 
or are you just spouting random nonsense like most of the haters
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz Uh, yes. Why do you think i have "RTC" not defined errors?
 
user7015372
Cause they are part of windows!
 
@HSF3232 I've heard they also cause autism
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz If you are trying to be offensive, leave. I will call the moderator over.
 
7:04 PM
lol, you must be new here
but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
 
user7015372
../../../ExternLibs/wolfssl/x64/Debug/wolfssl/wolfssl.lib(C:/Users/HackS/Documents/WorkSpace/ExternLibs/wolfssl-3.15.7/x64/Debug/wolfssl/obj/coding.obj):(.text$mn+0x11c1): undefined reference to `_RTC_CheckStackVars'
../../../ExternLibs/wolfssl/x64/Debug/wolfssl/wolfssl.lib(C:/Users/HackS/Documents/WorkSpace/ExternLibs/wolfssl-3.15.7/x64/Debug/wolfssl/obj/coding.obj):(.text$mn+0x11c1): relocation truncated to fit: R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `_RTC_CheckStackVars'
../../../ExternLibs/wolfssl/x64/Debug/wolfssl/wolfssl.lib(C:/Users/HackS/Documents/WorkSpace/ExternLibs/wolfssl-3.15.7
 
also look about this way; you might hate VS, Microsoft and all their users with passion, but our stuff builds and works
whereas your shitty toolchain apparently fails at hello world
so there's that
 
user7015372
...
 
@HSF3232 He's not trying it comes naturally /snark
 
@Mgetz right
@HSF3232 this is an improperly set toolchain
are you trying to link things from different compilers?
did that .lib come from VS and you're trying to link it with gcc?
 
user7015372
7:08 PM
The "wolfssl.lib" file? Yes.
 
well then that's generally a very big "if", not "when"
more things can go wrong than right when doing things like that
can you try with MSVC++ compiler?
 
user7015372
@Mgetz (I would say something at this point about Americanism, but i would come across as highly offensive.)
 
@HSF3232 He's polish?
 
that would come across as mildly amusing then
 
user7015372
... Even more offensive then. If its anything, i really hate the Americans and their idea of a "perfect image". Thank you for warning me, @Mgetz :P
 
7:11 PM
oh, so you're not just a microsoft hater, you're also a racist
 
user7015372
I have my reasons!
 
they all do
 
@HSF3232 I guess I should stop helping then as I'm from Colorado Whoops!
 
user7015372
@Mgetz That's Canada, ain't it?
 
user7015372
Nevermind, it is a US state. (And you really going to make fun of me? Have you not seen the problems that America has in general?)
 
7:13 PM
I love the direction this is going
 
user7015372
Nevermind, let's not go down this path. It will just go horribly wrong.
 
hi @Xeo, we're in the middle of insulting our respective compilers
how's your day been
 
user7015372
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@HSF3232 I have to live here...
regardless you really should try just building it with MSVC
because your copy of wolfSSL has compiler options that are incompatible with your current build
 
> If using Cygwin, or other toolsets for Windows that provides *nix-like commands and functionality, please follow the instructions in section 2.2, above, for “Building on *nix”. If building wolfSSL for Windows on a Windows development machine, we recommend using the included Visual Studio project files to build wolfSSL.
@HSF3232 as they say, RTFM
 
user7015372
7:16 PM
You know, i just started doing that, like fucking 30 mins ago when i just saw that, 30 mins ago.
 
 
7:36 PM
@HSF3232 as in, did you use VS project files?
 
user7015372
At first, VS Project files. Then i started using Cygwin toolset.
 
user7015372
Sorry, built it using the Cygwin toolset later.
 
@HSF3232 with nmake or VS directly?
@HSF3232 the entire lib?
 
user7015372
-_- First varation = VS directly.
Second varation (After getting the RTC errors) = Cygwin
 
user7015372
And no, only parts i need.
 
user7015372
7:39 PM
Encoding, Key gen, and the encryption. That's about it.
 
@HSF3232 use one compiler
don't mix and match
 
user7015372
I know that!
 
then why are you?
 
user7015372
At first i was, because i thought "Oh wait, i'm doing work on a Windows enivorment, the toolkit i have won't support .lib files. Lets keep the old lib files". Apparently its not true. I hope.
 
user7015372
Because you know, Microsoft. And there inability to allow people to do what they want.
 
7:43 PM
@HSF3232 do you have a lot of your code? Or is it just hello world of that lib?
 
@HSF3232 wow... that's just... completely wrong.
 
user7015372
@Mgetz Oh really? Why can't i used .a files in Visual studio then? Because they have their own compiler called MSVC. Where clearly i need to GCC to do my cross-platform work.
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz Fortunately, i used "python-like" techniques. So any code that i have will translate perfectly when using the cygwin toolset.
 
lol what's python like
did you name your variables "ssssss"
 
@HSF3232 so because Microsoft doesn't use GCC... for good reasons, and doesn't use a metadata format completely foreign to windows... that's somehow being evil... riiiiight.
 
7:46 PM
also lol how dare they have their own compiler
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz Ha ha, very funny.
 
also compiler locking your code is much less portable than being standards compliant and portable
 
I found it funny too, thank you
 
That said the entire C++ world is being consumed by the clang singularity
as are most other languages it seems
 
user7015372
@Mgetz You are telling that to the wrong guy. Tell that to the people who made MSVC.
 
7:48 PM
we'll know clang has jumped the shark when it compiles javascript
 
5 mins ago, by Mgetz
@HSF3232 wow... that's just... completely wrong.
 
@HSF3232 you completely missed what I said...
 
I think we're gonna be using that quote often today
 
MSVC doesn't compiler lock you
 
so should I build that WolfSSL thing
 
7:49 PM
nor does GCC if you use it right
 
they're asking me to type stuff into a textbox which makes me uneasy
 
😞
 
user7015372
That's optional. Consider it the newletter stuff. They can give you a demo of wolfssl's more professional features.
 
so I'm gonna try with WinSDK and upgrade to v140
========== Build: 7 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
 
user7015372
-_- If you are going to try and prove that it won't work across compilers, i get that bit already.
 
7:52 PM
I have to say @HSF3232 that for a library where the difficulty of building is "open, click build" you've failed pretty miserably
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz Oh yeah, because you are using software for lazy people.
 
@HSF3232 most engineers are proactively lazy
 
47 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
also look about this way; you might hate VS, Microsoft and all their users with passion, but our stuff builds and works
 
it's kinda the definition of being an engineer
 
"lazy" means "someone who gets the job done" in this context
 
user7015372
7:53 PM
-_- And you are the reason why FO76 and Elder Scrolls 6 are so bad.
 
wanna bet he'll hate VS even more now
@HSF3232 I haven't worked on either on them, so I genuinely doubt that.
 
@HSF3232 you don't know @BartekBanachewicz very well...
 
user7015372
@BartekBanachewicz No, but the attitude you are trying to present me is probably what it was like when they made those games.
 
I wonder how many games you got out to market, though...
 
@HSF3232 you're making a lot of assumptions that are probably not valid
 
7:55 PM
@HSF3232 the attitude being "use the tools that save developers' time so that they can focus on the game instead of fixing build errors"?
how rude of me
51 mins ago, by HSF3232
@BartekBanachewicz If you are trying to be offensive, leave. I will call the moderator over.
this thread is pretty hilarious even by lounge standards
 
Woah what the fuck is going on?
 
user7015372
Well, it's past that point now. Because you won't probally stop even if i call a mod over
 
@Mysticial not much really, slow evening
 
@HSF3232 room owner just asked what was going on
 
user7015372
And i responded.
 
7:58 PM
oh stop flagging him, I'm not taking it personally at all
I'd be mad as f**k if I had to struggle with the compiler for hours
 
@BartekBanachewicz It wasn't flagged for you
 
I know, I know
 
we expect a minimum level of civility
 
user7015372
"minimum level of civility". Yeah right. @BartekBanachewicz is not civil. Not by a long shot.
 
...aaaand it's 59 minutes
shrugs
 
8:02 PM
Just spent a couple minutes trying to figure out the context here. And I'm totally lost. It seems like someone got offended because people use Microsoft tools? And it escalated from there?
 
@HSF3232 we're well aware of his faults. That said please take a deep breath and calm down.
 
@Mgetz telling a chat-suspended user to calm down will probably make it worse :)
I know it wouldn't help in my case at least
 
@AndrasDeak incidentally that's the message the bar that blocks your textbox is trying to get across
I admit it also angers me more every time I get banned
 
@AndrasDeak I wasn't actually looking at their profile? and it doesn't show in the mini-box?
I did check the minibox just not the profile
 
@Mgetz no, it's not obvious, only if you notice the deleted messages and know the dynamics
 
8:04 PM
I've never had above 10k, so I wouldn't ;)
 
it's simple, really: 1 flag-nuked message == 30 minutes auto-suspend
 
@Mgetz I haven't been active in chat for a while. But I do leave it open on the side. Saw the flag bubble and was like WTF?
 
@Mysticial I've been only half paying attention tbh as I do some builds
 
@Mgetz ooh, right
 
8:25 PM
> The order came from the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California […]
 
@LucDanton whelp that's great for that... but it doesn't apply nationally
 
@Mgetz it kinda does; but yeah gotta start somewhere
 
@LucDanton not the way US jurisprudence works, moreover I'm not sure a magistrate judge can actually make binding jurisprudence.
 
oh my mistake I was quick on first reading, I missed the 'magistrate judge' angle
 
Yeah I'm pretty sure the district court judge has to write their own opinion on it and publish the opinon
that then doesn't have national binding effect but may be considered within that circuit
if it's then appealed and the circuit rules then it's binding in that circuit
the only further appeal being USSC
They can rule on it without publishing an opinion... but it's rare that they would so so in any case in which the court does not have original jurisdiction.
 
8:43 PM
@Mgetz my thinking was that if it were an opinion as you say, it would have more chance to find itself mentioned somewhere else and kicked up higher in the chain by appeal and so on
 
9:05 PM
welp
I don't think our mutual friend is coming back anytime soon, since his ban already ended
 
Sad, I missed that guy
 
9:20 PM
Okay, so I got this weird issue, I need a function to take std::vector<cuCompelx> and std::vector<float2> these structures are the same. Also I'm doing thrust but w/e. Is there some C++ witchcraft that will let me use the same function signature? I'm thinking of saying fuck it and just casting?
 
@Mikhail tag dispatch?
IIRC if structures are packed the same, and are PODs they can be freely casted, but don't quote me
 
9:37 PM
@Mikhail Why not just have the function either vOv
You can template the function so that it just works on std::vector<T>
 
@Mikhail as stated, that can’t work
@Mikhail if you’d expand on the meaning of 'these structures are the same' & you don't really need the std::vector<…> interface, then maybe you could benefit from standard layout initial common sequence rules
 
I'm thinking of doing some wacky stuff where I have a global function/macro that reinterpret casts everything
 
@Mikhail I'm guessing... no...
 
 
2 hours later…
11:25 PM
Guys, I have a very long type name, (using AptImport = AptObject<ObjectType::aptImport, AptPointer<AptBuiltInString>, AptPointer<AptBuiltInString>>;), how could I let clang-format automatically break this line when formatting?
 
11:38 PM
For example what if I want each type on a separate line?
 
11:53 PM
just use a type alias vOv
who care's if the one instance where you define that type alias is long?
 
I guess AptPointer<AptBuiltInString> can be its own typedef
Also that code looks like some Enterprise™ grade crap, if not because you decided to roll your own string type.
The more I look at that code the angrier I get
 

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