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12:09 AM
@sehe sigh wow...
 
12:38 AM
@iamsuekhan @ajplus I was gonna say, I smell _exactly_ like a goat. However, I just learned that's false, because the vomeronasal organ in humans is deemed to be vestigial, whereas goats use it (flehmen) for specific scents (such as to detect estrus in female). #themoreyouknow
 
 
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2:55 AM
Basically the input ports look like the output ports but aren't
The real thing to consider is that this card has only 24 direct attach, which means you need another spliter if you want to get more than 24 drives. Also I think one of the ports is for external attach which I've never used.
If you remind me tomorrow I can open one my boxes and show you what it looks hooked up
 
all for less than the Storage Controller Upgrade Card
also I have a few python programs floating around now
mostly for control the car
 
3:56 AM
anyone here uses tensorflow?
 
4:16 AM
Yes
 
what can it do generally?
probably will look into it in the next few weeks
but being lazy, asking ahead
 
It contains primitives that can be automatically differentiated so that you can easily build and train neural networks. You can make "state-of-the-art" image detectors, by following tutorials online.
 
4:32 AM
I have app idea ...
but I have enough apps to maintain already
is it source code easy to understand?
 
For me yes
 
tell me it's not because of the cover
 
I got tickets to the concert for $15, now I just need to find somebody to go with :-/
Idk, maybe go twice
 
but the men were not wearing flowers?
oO well ... 2 far
mys that is
 
Some people are sufficiently confident in their heterosexuality that they can wear flowers. I personally dress exclusively in Hawaiian T shirts, trying to reenact scenes from Kafka by the Shore.
 
I can wear flowers ... maybe you are referring to man exclusively
 
5:01 AM
Here is a recent file photo
 
only if I were as talented a issac newton or nikola tesla
but I am mediocre like the rest of you
 
5:18 AM
I'm the greatest fucking ever
I have an APM of 120 on Brood War
 
5:41 AM
Dude Hawaiian shirts are making a comeback. I personally own 7
 
Best, part is when chicks tell you're looking good
 
you need a holiday in fuji
 
 
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Ven
9:19 AM
Hi
 
9:40 AM
Good morning lovely animals :3
 
 
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10:43 AM
Nobody stops you (integration, deployment) testing your application. Just don't expect a lot of test doctrine magic to help in that department. Because soon enough, things seem to work in test, and you still have major failure in production. — sehe 2 mins ago
 
nwp
@sehe Clearly the best way to fix that is to ship your dev environment.
 
Smalltalk? Smalltalk.
 
Ven
@sehe Lips imagez
 
Lips?
 
A few hundred lines in a project and I've already got UI, signals, threading, multiprocessing, and modified a dependency because it didn't work .___.
 
Ven
10:58 AM
@sehe Indeed.
 
Ungoogleable
 
@sehe dyslexic lisp maybe?
 
swattathought
 
Ven
@sehe Lisp is fairly googlable
 
No contest. Why would I google Lisp to get info on lips imagez?
 
Ven
10:59 AM
To be coolz
 
put your lisps on my lisps
 
Googling is not cool. DDG!
 
11:20 AM
Th Lisp Scheme is a Racket (racket-lang.org)
 
11:40 AM
TFW you get an accept on a ~2 yr old answer :D
 
Ven
@Borgleader I wonder if they did update their compiler by now.
Maybe 2 years is just the time it took them to build GCC from scratch.
 
12:04 PM
Feb 5 '14 at 12:57, by sehe
Apparently someone tried to accept an answer of mine exactly 2 years after the answer, but... slipped the schedule by 5 days :(
 
 
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1:44 PM
Sometimes I want to do stuff to make the world a better place, but apparently it isn't easy .___.
 
Ven
@Morwenn Reminds me of this powerful read (as a Coffee contributor)
 
nwp
> the Python programming language murdered a 15 year terrorist in Iraq
And here we made fun of americans for their gun laws.
 
Ven
GODDAMMIT GUIDO
 
 
@Ven To be frank, as long as the primary goal of what I write is not to harm people, I don't really care what people do with my code since I made it available to anyone anyway v0v
Plus my taxes are surely employed to kill more people than my code
am neutral good :v
Even better: my taxes have probably been used to actually kill quite a bunch of people from my own country these previous years x)
 
nwp
2:00 PM
> In some sense, I would be threatening national security by actively trying to prevent Palantir from using software that it needed to use to ensure the continued peace and prosperity of the United States.
> I respect their work and recognize that what they are doing has to be done. They provide a much needed service and I'm happy that somebody else has to deal with deciding who should die.
I don't know what to say to this.
Are americans that afraid of witch-hunts already that they don't dare to question anything that has to do with their government or guns?
 
Just try not be among the people "who should die"
@nwp I guess it's more about realizing that you can't really do shit about it
 
nwp
@Morwenn That would be a fair assessment, but it sounds to me that he doesn't even do the little he can because that would essentially make him a terrorist.
> And If I vigorously tried to stop Palantir from using my open source library, I would probably be quickly arrested.
I don't think it's that bad yet, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
@nwp That's the "vigorously" part that matters
The government won't try to stop you unless you try really hard
 
nwp
You can, for example, add "Not for use by or in government organizations" to your license or something.
 
yeah but is palentir officially a government organization?
or is it a privately owned defence contractor
 
2:08 PM
@nwp But what can you do if they still use it?
 
@Morwenn sue them for breaching your copyright license
 
@ratchetfreak They'd rather pay or ignore it if they have the gov backing them
 
@nwp in which case it’s not open source/free software any more, hence the essay
 
Would you rather develop free software that is notably used to kill people, or receive money for such software? x)
 
if you want to write free software, you have to be okay with any use
 
nwp
2:10 PM
@Morwenn Complain. It may not seem much when you think of them as murders, but they see themselves as protecting their country, heroes really, who would never go against their country or its laws.
 
@nwp Haha, excellent joke xD
 
The American government has a history of not caring about specific people in their population when it comes to killing people and developing weapons
Remember that time they fed radioactive stuff to supposedly terminally ill people during project Manhattan to see what it did?
 
nwp
None of them became godzilla?
 
Or the times they just dropped clouds of bacteria on some town (wasn't it SF?) to check how chemical weapons would propagate in town environments?
 
2:14 PM
@nwp I've seen enough movies to know that mister hero will eventually start breaking laws
 
Turned out those bacteria were not as harmless as they were supposed to be in the end, and quite a dozen of deaths could be related to that
If they want to use your software to kill people, they will definitely do so v0v
If cpp-sort is ever used to kill people, at least I know that they will forever suffer from neverending compile times x)
 
nwp
The point is that while you can't do much if the government or military ignore the law, it still makes sense to force them to do it. It is some hurdle to overcome and you have a chance later, when things cooled down a bit, to maybe sue some people.
It's the notion of "we can't do anything so we don't even try" that I don't agree with. If you can annoy them a little without putting yourself into much danger it should probably be done.
And at least at the moment I feel like the danger is rather modest.
 
If it also prevents people to do good things with what I write, then I'm not willing to apply restrictive terms
 
nwp
I would consider that risk rather low for the military, but that is probably something that people should decide for themselves.
 
Plus what if it is used to make war more efficient (e.g Command & Control software) and thus kill fewer lives?
Command & Control systems are always an interesting black vs. white example :p
 
nwp
2:28 PM
Unless they go all the way and just play starcraft I'm not convinced.
 
I mean, Command & Control can also be used to help evacuate a town efficiently in case of an industrial scale chemical incident
 
nwp
Such things should not be part of the military.
 
The military will probably still be the best way to efficiently evacuate the town ^^'
 
nwp
Then instead of "Let's kill people" we can do "Let's let people die". It sounds a tiny bit better.
(not grammatically obviously)
 
On the other hand, I always tried to work for "good" companies when possible over time
I'm mostly applied for jobs in oceanography or medical science
My last job was mostly about detecting polluters from space in European seas
 
2:42 PM
@Morwenn what's amazing is we even know these projects happened at all
recall that most of the insane crap the soviets did didn't leak until the cold war ended (ostensibly) and we know that what did leak was the tip of the iceberg.
 
what's even more amazing is that these projects happened at all :/
 
@Morwenn not really, the Military Industrial complex was feeling very empowered until the Church Committee investigation
Similar things happened throughout NATO actually, albeit on different scales
 
I'm still impressed in a bad way that people can actually agree to do such terrible things
 
I think it was very much a carryover attitude that happened from WWII
 
true
 
2:45 PM
@Morwenn Ideology is a powerful thing
powerful enough to make people betray their country
 
The feeling of righteousness in some people is also something that I fear very much
 
@Morwenn yep, it's quite scary. People take themselves entirely too seriously
 
nwp
@Mgetz I would expect them to not see it as betrayal and instead say "I did what had to be done. I served my country and am willing to pay any price for it".
 
@nwp I highly doubt Michael Flynn feels he betrayed the US even though he was a defacto russian agent for years
He felt he had to do what was necessary to defeat extreamism
 
Also cases like Chelsea Manning, where you have to pick a side to choose who did the right thing
 
2:49 PM
@Morwenn that's much much more complicated. I would say it was someone exploiting the Conscience in MICE with her.
 
nwp
Maybe people ignoring software licenses is the just punishment for some developers ignoring copyright laws.
 
@Mgetz I don't get the last part of the sentence, I might lack some ingo and context about the case
 
@nwp if we enforced copyright in a draconian matter it would completely destroy the industry
@Morwenn She was very very confused at the time. Some people took advantage of that to get information from her potentially through blackmail.
 
Kepler doesn't have much longer to stay alive :/
@Mgetz Oh, that's even worse than I thought
On the other hand, she did already have other issues to deal with at the time
 
@Morwenn There is a reason she never asked for a full pardon. She knows she put people's lives in danger.
Honestly I suspect she's part of the reason they changed the rules for TG service members
so they didn't feel like they needed to do things like that
 
2:56 PM
It might indeed be part of the story
 
 
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4:10 PM
Any peeps who are wanting to attend our Uncon this year, best get yourself over to Discord where details are discussed, like when and where for sure
8
 
I will only be able to do a mini-uncon with Ven in Paris this year :(
 
Ven
The best kind of uncon.
 
That's sweet :p
 
5:04 PM
More like the Brest kind of uncan
3
amirite?
 
Ven
5:48 PM
@Borgleader I dig it
 
 
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7:02 PM
You should keep track of your caps lock key state. — Borgleader 12 secs ago
 
@Borgleader yeah that's a homework question
also holy moly I don't think it's legally possible to be GDPR compliant
 
7:20 PM
@Mgetz I'm thinking its very hard but not impossible. Perhaps like FDIC insurance in the US, small companies could avoid the regulations by posting a disclaimer ("Not GDPR complaint by member's choice") while large companies would actually be in compliance.
A more interesting regulatory strategy is to have government run GDPR compliant repositories that sell access
 
@Mikhail you don't get a choice, because it's BY LAW. You're required to be compliant regardless of the size of business or group
otherwise everybody would just pop up a thing saying "HEY we're not GDPR compliant if you continue use you agree to this!"
which is not ok
 
Yeah, so when they fix the laws, they might require it past a certain user threshold
But I'm wondering if having certain GDPR complaint storage centers is a work around
 
@Mikhail again they made no distinction as to prevent people from hiding behind that
@Mikhail no, GDPR is largely about the processing of data. Not just the retention and storage
 
So, what's the fix?
 
In my case the thought was that criminals are going to abuse GDPR like mad
@Mikhail only keep business related data unless it's explicitly needed otherwise. Users can't request you delete records of business.
as that would run afoul of other laws... like money laundering
speaking of that... I'm surprised the UK didn't use that to their advantage in the poisoning case
 
8:22 PM
use what?
 
@Puppy HSBC is basically the world's premier money laundering organization. If the UK cracked down on them it would do untold damage to a lot of less than savory organizations through out the world
they don't of course because HSBC pays the UK government a lot of money
 
I did notice that a lot of tax havens are Crown dependencies
 
enough they stopped the US from revoking HSBC's license to operate in the states (which nearly happened)
 
@AdrianMaire I don't recall you asking me a question. What makes you think any instructions applied to you? Besides, nobody recommends to "write the spec" [sic]. In fact, before I answered I noted exactly that. These days there are other libraries. They're not hard to find (e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/49353601/85371) — sehe 35 secs ago
 
9:04 PM
I'm stuck on a Fourier transform :-(
 
nwp
In the time or space dimension?
 
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Q: Fourier Tranform of a Parabolic Dish

MikhailI'm trying to draw the world's best dish by drawing it in the frequency domain and taking the inverse 3D Fourier transform. I've used this approach to draw other shapes at high precision. So my dish is a surface that lives in $R^3$ defined as: $\text{Real}\left[\sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}\right]$ This is...

I feel dirty for asking on SO
somehow not correctly handling the z dimension but I suck at math
 
this is not a c++ question
its an IDE question
 
even worse
 
9:46 PM
I dont like onions.
 
here's a question
how mouldy is my cheese.
I should check
 
as a cheese expert I say, it depends on how much risk youre willing to take eating it
 
anyone has some experience with microchips?
what's the correct way to allocate memory without new/malloc/free etc
 
Im a huge asset to this chatroom
 
Is there anything wrong of creating a struct on the stack and then a pointer to the struct?
 
9:56 PM
allocate it in global
 
I was trying to avoid this but... I guess it's not a bad thing
 
if the pointer doesn't outlive the thing? sure
otherwise globals
 
Compared to returning pointer to locals in stack memory from returned functions, who do you think you are Linus Torvalds?
 
it doesn't the method that create it is the main
 
I mean, look: static, automatic, dynamic are three options that you have. If you get rid of the one, clearly only two remain :)
 
9:58 PM
not true
dynamic allocation is just a fancy way of using static allocation
just because the plat doesn't provide malloc/new/etc doesn't mean it can't be done
 
no automatic/dynamic
I'm on XC8
 
So, the certification required of certain medical devices requires the C code to have no dynamic memory allcoation
 
by that distinction, you could say a stack is also a fancy way of using static allocation
 
it kinda is
 
@Mikhail well that's interesting... It's probably a good thing to prevent accessing invalid memory
 
10:00 PM
here we go with the semantics again...
 
but mostly memory leaks
 
sounds good. I even just read the pic chips aparently do not support recursion
Not that I was planning to do recursion but interesting nonetheless
 
Yeah, no recursion, I was told was also part of the certification
 
possibly because of the limitation of some chips/compilers
so better just avoid it
 
Its trivial to compile, though. I couldn't come up with an architecture that would limit recursion.
 
10:02 PM
>
Your payment will be sent to you via any of your preferred option and delivered to you by FedEx Post Services. You are only required to pay $1,100 U.S Dollar, for the security keeping fee and the express delivery of your Cheque or ATM Smart Card. Furthermore, anyone asking you for some kind of money above the usual fee is definitely a fraudster and you are advised to stop every communication with such individuals.
I wonder if the author chuckled when he wrote this
 
@Columbo how much money did you won?
 
>
Series of meetings have been held over the past 7 months with the secretary general of the United Nations Organization. This meeting ended 3 days ago. It is obvious that you have not received your fund, which is to the tune of $2,500,000.00 US Dollar [Two Million Five Hundred Thousand U.S Dollar] due to past corrupt Governmental Officials who almost held the fund to themselves for their selfish reason and some individuals who have taken advantage of your fund all in an attempt to swindle your fund which has led to so many losses from your end and unnecessary delay in the receipt of your f
 
That's clearly not above the usual fee! Go for it!
 
@Columbo Only 2.5 million? The one I got says 10.3 million.
 
just ask him why he didn't deduct the security and delivery fees from the incoming funds
 
10:04 PM
@Mysticial That's because I got two penis enlargements and hot single milfs in my area instead.
 
oh ic
 
simultaneously?
that could get awkward
 
@Puppy In the right order ;-)
 
"Hey baby, I'd like to suck your dick!" "Sorry, I'm in the middle of penis enlargement surgery, come back later."
 
@Puppy Because if he did that, he would not be able to discriminate between normal and retarded people
@Puppy "Hey sir, I wanna enlarge your penis!" "Sorry, I'm in the middle of a blowjob, come back later"
 
10:06 PM
@Columbo Well, I mean, the real reason is obvious, but I just wanted to know what he would say.
 
@Puppy If you like that kind of stuff, there's a brilliant bit on that on YT.
 
@Puppy that moment when both of the procedure are actually only one.
 
10:41 PM
I have to say that that guy is hilarious.
 
11:26 PM
@Mysticial fraudehelpdesk.nl/vragen-meldingen-cpt/executive-director-fbi indeed. Someone is keeping a part for himself!
 
11:52 PM
I wonder what's the ratio of accidents by human driving car vs autonomous car
obviously accidents by self driving car are more headline grabbing
 

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