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12:00 AM
If I reinterpret cast to a pointer, and its actually that type nothing can go wrong... If its a type of different size its probably going to jump to some bullshit position when I call .size()
 
user784668
@Mikhail But std::vector<foo> and std::vector<bar> are distinct, unrelated types.
 
auto fuck_it = (std::vector<foo>*)(&not_std_foo);
The real mistake was not using float everywhere, when I could have done std::array<std::vector<float>,9>
 
12:21 AM
@JerryCoffin Agner Fog actually suggests inserting "warm-up" instructions some milliseconds prior to starting "real" AVX code if you know ahead of time.
That was back in the days when clocks were constant between all work loads.
Now because of the clock differentiation between workloads, you need to be careful how you use AVX(512).
If a compiler decides to vectorize a non-performance critical memcpy() in your code, it could cause the entire program to slow down by the clock down amount.
 
12:35 AM
@Fanael
scalar: 8084ms
double scalar: 6103ms
SSE2: 2937ms
AVX2: 1526ms
AVX512: 738ms
Both the scalar runs ran at 4.5 GHz. But the rest of it was too fast for me to catch the speeds in CPUz. Gonna rerun those with more iterations.
SSE2 ran at 4.5 GHz
AVX2 ran at 4.5 GHz
AVX512 ran at 4.0 GHz
Shifts and basic boolean logic do not cause the clock downs. And your code consists entirely of them.
Shuffles don't either.
Looks like the only way to trigger the AVX512 clockdown is to actually hit the FMA on port5.
 
Debian 9 server clean install. Postgresql 9.6 install. Pgadmin from windows connects to DB and server freezes. Systemd much?
 
idgi
 
user784668
@Mysticial And "basic boolean logic" includes integer addition and (presumably) subtraction :P
 
12:51 AM
I have a feeling that "basic" here means anything that doesn't require the FMA.
Though it seems all AVX512 will cause at least a downclock to the AVX speeds.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Try looping on lots of integer vector multiplies, because integer multiplication probably will use the FMA units.
 
@Fanael I have code that does a mix of integer multiplies and adds. It definitely causes the clock down all the way.
In the meantime, it seems that my Ryzen might be hitting the "performance marginality problem" on Windows.
 
user784668
@Mysticial So scalar is faster than my Haswell box only due to sheer clock speed, while SSE2 and AVX2 are slightly faster clock-for-clock thanks to, presumably, Skylake having two vector barrel shifters as opposed to Haswell's one.
 
user784668
@Mysticial AVX-512 is more than twice as fast as AVX2 thanks to actual rotation instructions then?
 
Yeah, seems like it.
 
user784668
1:00 AM
@Mysticial Performance marginality problem?
 
user784668
@Mysticial Ah, the segfaults if you saturate all the cores?
 
Yeah. For the 3rd time in a month, I've had a crash running y-cruncher's unit tests on that box.
If it crashes again, I'll stress-test it on Linux to confirm it and then RMA the chip.
 
don't blame it on the hardware ...
 
user784668
@Telkitty It is a hardware bug in this case, though.
 
user784668
1:03 AM
@Mysticial Obligatory: it's a bug in y-cruncher :P
 
if you saturate all cores, would it just freeze or become extra slow instead of crashing?
 
user784668
@Mysticial I think I read somewhere that someone from AMD said it's a silicon bug not fixable by microcode update.
 
@Fanael Yep. And AMD is trying very hard to avoid a full recall.
 
user784668
But that "somewhere" was probably phoronix forums or reddit, i.e. a total cesspool, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
The "evidence" is that people who RMA'ed are getting new chips that don't have the problem.
 
1:06 AM
silicon bug ... will still be buggy under linux
 
user784668
@Telkitty The bug was first found under Linux, then under FreeBSD, then under Windows.
 
user784668
Mac OS doesn't have that problem because it doesn't run on AMD :D
 
so it's still a firm ware bug ...
 
@Fanael You don't have anything else to test on my Skylake X box right? I'm about to start a superoptimizer run that's probably gonna last 4 - 7 days.
And it'll be out of commission during that entire time.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Not really, go ahead.
 
1:08 AM
cool
 
user784668
I'm waiting for my P6 box actually.
 
user784668
VRM on mobo died.
 
oooh
 
user784668
@Mysticial I'm interested, what superoptimizer, and what are you optimizing?
 
The "superoptimizer" is essentially an auto-tuning program that runs through every single possible way to do a task and records the best one.
 
1:12 AM
Well. That's obviously not implemented. What gave you the impression that it would be, anyways? — sehe 2 mins ago
 
user784668
@Mysticial TBF it's a 15 year old hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some capacitors that died.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Yeah, I know that.
 
@Mysticial I think the CPU must speed back up eventually. Keep in mind that the CPU has no clue about processes and such, so it it really stayed clocked down, it would have no clue that your program was done, so it could speed back up again--ever (at least until you reboot).
 
Jul 11 at 14:42, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Oct 28 '16 at 15:38, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I've ranted about systemd way too much in this room already.
 
@Fanael In this, I'm trying to populate a table of optimal parameters for performing large multiplications for a range of operand sizes.
For each size, there's probably a hundred different ways to do it.
 
user784668
1:17 AM
@sehe The Lounge being dead is systemd's fault!
 
@Fanael I think you're being unfair. Docker has to bear at least some of the blame.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Cool.
 
user784668
@Mysticial It's for y-cruncher or something similar, isn't it?
 
Yeah y-cruncher. Experimenting with a tweak to tackle the problem of Skylake X's caches being too small.
Superoptimizers have one critical weakness - exponentially increasing search space.
 
user784668
1:34 AM
@Mysticial No problem, just throw more hardware at it!
 
user784668
@Mysticial Wait, am I talking about superoptimizers or about Electron right now?
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@Fanael Right my solution is to do a more "guided" approach. I manually put restrictions to throw away entire search regions that I know aren't going to be efficient.
 
user784668
@Mysticial But haven't you heard? Hardware is so powerful and cheap you should forget about premature optimizations like that.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin I'd blame npm, actually.
 
@Fanael No Problem, Man.
 
user784668
2:00 AM
I think I dun goofed, and badly.
 
user784668
There isn't supposed to be two order of magnitude of speed difference between single-threaded code and OpenMP version.
 
OpenMP is shite
 
user784668
I think I'm gonna rewrite it using raw std::thread
 
cilk
 
user784668
@Mikhail Is it supported in GCC?
 
2:13 AM
not sure whether sometimes lounge is dead, asleep or people just prefer lurking ...
 
It appears to be deprecated. But yes, straight up std::thread is better than OpenMP because of threadpooling
 
user784668
@Mikhail What do you mean?
 
From what I recall, MSVC 2013 implementation of OpenMP kept creating new threads instead of using already running ones. This was bad for performance because the single threaded runtime of my target section was about 50 ms.
 
user784668
@Mikhail Like, it spawned a new set of threads for every #pragma omp parallel?
 
exactly
(except threads not processes)
 
user784668
2:21 AM
@Mikhail That's überbad.
 
user784668
2:32 AM
../src/blahblah.cc:470:6: warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when determining that expression is always non-negative [-Wstrict-overflow]
 void test()
      ^~~~
 
user784668
Useful location, GCC.
 
user784668
I always feared the possibility of an integer overflow in function declaration.
 
user784668
2:59 AM
@Mikhail Looks like Cilk is deprecated in GCC because Intel just dumped the code and doesn't appear to be interested in maintaining it, and there are multiple bugs.
 
Wut... there's almost no (good) alternatives to Cilk.
There's std::async - which is even more useless in GCC.
 
user784668
@Mysticial Maybe, but that doesn't make GCC implementation of Cilk any less unmaintained and buggy.
 
user784668
I share the loop counter between threads! The horror!
 
user784668
3:31 AM
What's the cost of (true) cache line sharing, anyway?
 
4:37 AM
I need some inputs regarding a problem
It is that we have a file of million records. Some records are parent and some are children which are sparsely distributed. We have to parse the file once and store each parent along with its children in a separate file.
I thought of solution using unordered_map<parent, List<children>> using only one thread. Can you optimize it using multiple threads ?
opening a new file as soon as we encounter a parent and write the next encountered its respective children to that file
 
 
1 hour later…
5:44 AM
@cbinder You cannot open millions of files at once.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:01 AM
@wilx Files will be created in sequence as soon as parent is encountered
not in one go. Interviewer ask me if I can use multiple threads for this problem and he was emphasizing this solution using that approach. So, I gave him an awkward solution of forking one thread for each parent.
I've used a file pool for that :
unordered_map<fstream*, int> file_pool;
 
@cbinder Was it for Google, the stupid Google recruiter telephone interview?
 
7:44 AM
@Mysticial Task blocks?
 
8:05 AM
@Mysticial OpenMP?
 
@wilx It was for CitiBank
 
TIL codswallop
 
@cbinder yes multiple threads would help: when you're reading entries and find a parent, you'd have to check if a file for that parent already exists...and since you'll get a large list of all parents, searching through them will take some time...good thing for another thread to do. Though I think IO will be a bottleneck, so that first thread could probably do stuff other than io. Async? Just a thought. And I think a thread per parent is horrible idea.
 
I have been receiving empty messages through contact form, I thought they might be bots so I added captcha, so someone filled the captcha and sent me another empty message ...
pretty sure captcha is working
 
SPONGEBOB AS AN ANIME OPENING IM CRYING https://t.co/Q8ew4eVUUI
^ This is awesome. :D
 
@ABuckau yeah, you are correct. I guess some systems place constraint on number of threads a user can create. Interviewer asked me do we need to use locks I replied in -ve. I guess I was wrong in that place. Maybe we can use queue
 
8:38 AM
@fredoverflow fingers crossed, I could start earning money through Kotlin :O Very early days, but position sounds really good
 
user784668
@Mysticial This reminds me of how stupid tuning code for everything from P6 to Nehalem was: your best bet was to not let stuff retire lest you suffer RAT read stalls. And with AVX512 we get this mess back, only this time the problem is the port 5 FMA unit instead of register file read ports.
 
9:03 AM
;_; Web pages without reasonable metadata make want to cry ;_;
Often it is due to the pages created by WordPress, which apparently lacks metadata in some configurations.
 
9:25 AM
 
xD
 
10:09 AM
@wilx metadata like what
 
@ABuckau Title, author, date of publishing, etc.
 
Ya that does seem pretty basic. :(
 
10:24 AM
Also can I replace Rapptz as the 12th RO? @sehe @fredoverflow @xeo @Puppy @JerryCoffin
he wasn't here for the past two months and I don't think there's anyone else to replace him
considering I'm still kinda around and have like 3rd message count in this room
pinging other ROs so that's fair: @R.MartinhoFernandes @Rapptz @milleniumbug @Mysticial @TonyTheLion @EtiennedeMartel @StackedCrooked
 
🤔
 
@Rapptz that was unexpected :D
 
how
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz No. w
 
@Rapptz Well given that you weren't here I wouldn't assume you'd be the first person to respond
@Xeo I'd say that being an RO implies a certain moderation duty here
 
Xeo
10:35 AM
Sure, I'd tentatively agree with that.
But you asked two questions, technically.
 
@Xeo whether rapptz should remain and whether I can replace him, right?
 
Xeo
Yes
And my vote for the latter one is "no".
 
I suppose the former needs to be answered first
@Rapptz do you even want to remain as an active RO?
 
I mean there's not much to moderate here now a days.
This chat room is like 25% of its old activity
If people have an issue with me being room owner then sure
 
@Rapptz it's not really an issue, I just thought that you lost interest in the room, and I proposed myself as a replacement
I've been saying I can take moderation for years now, and given that Puppy, who was forcefully removed from here IIRC twice was given a third chance, I figured there's really no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to do it.
 
nwp
10:43 AM
@BartekBanachewicz One reason might be that you tend to see other people as complete morons, lacking the will or ability to understand them.
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@nwp That's your opinion.
 
11:34 AM
@BartekBanachewicz eh.....
 
12:10 PM
Cicada for mod
 
nwp
> You have been banned for not repeating a single meme in over 10 posts. Come back after you RTFRP (Read The Fucking Reddit Posts).
 
12:25 PM
@AdebayoAdelabu I second that, mod like 'em boiz young
 
@AdebayoAdelabu the only place where you can work as a moderator is a nuclear reactor
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My lone chicken died of old age in her sleep this morning
 
:/
 
and she was buried under a tree
then I found pigeons went to the coop, possibly trying to find where the chicken was ...
 
12:30 PM
@Telkitty I am sorry to hear that. She sure seemed to get the best possible life for a chicken
 
that sucks, what age was she?
 
@Horttanainen It's worth noting « Cunninlynguists » in the suggestions.
 
@Morwenn punny
 
@milleniumbug I dont get it. As always
 
12:41 PM
In this #video, you can see immune #cells migrating inside the legs of a drosophila specimen, all in real-time! 📷 C… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/900794874026393600
@Mikhail seen this?
 
@Horttanainen cunning linguist => cunnilingus
(don't google the second one if you're at work)
 
@milleniumbug I dont think my coworkers would mind
 
@Rapptz making me copy and paste that emoji into google to find out (a) what it depicts (b) what it might mean (c) how I'll be interpreting that
 
Firefox falls back to EmojiOne doesn't it?
I don't have a system emoji font but it renders the emoji one version for me.
 
Oh it's not that. I think it's displayed fine (and don't accuse me of Firefox)
@LucDanton A cicada is not a roach. Though close enough I guess
 
12:44 PM
Oh oh
 
@Rapptz This
 
@Horttanainen Anyway, I like what I've listened until there.
 
@Morwenn I am listening the piece of strange. Sounds good
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's a bit weird to propose yourself as a replacement without asking the person you're looking to replace. That's like applying for a job by going into an office and asking a random HR person "Can I replace the head of sales?"
 
@login_not_failed 3-4 years
 
12:55 PM
it always hurts to lose an old animal, which was almost a family member :/
 
My goldfish is 18yo.
 
@Morwenn My cat turned 18 couple of months ago. Did you put a little booze in the aquarium for celebration?
 
I was gonna say. "So now it's legal"!
 
@Horttanainen Nope. The fish lives under the spice shelf though.
@sehe I already made the joke hundreds of times ^^"
 
You don't want her to forget, do you.
 
1:06 PM
@sehe If that head of sales failed to get to work for two months straight, that would make it a bit different, no?
 
Not really.
 
it's a common trope
 
It's still presumptuous to not first ask about potential openings.
 
a person walks into a place and says "your x is doing a shit job, hire me instead"
 
Yeah. In some groups "Sieg Heil!" is a common trope.
 
1:07 PM
3 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Rapptz Well given that you weren't here I wouldn't assume you'd be the first person to respond
 
@sehe Yeah, responsibilities and stuff.
 
I only really wrote because I noticed that across ROs Rapptz had the outstanding 56 day inactivity time
 
@BartekBanachewicz Case closed, then.
 
yep
but not before someone pinned the nwp's message
glad to see the RO powers are utilized in a fair way just like 5 years ago
 
Pinning that message truly sucks
 
1:10 PM
at least @nwp has the decency to say what he thinks straight to my face, I appreciate that
whatever, fuck whoever pinned that and let's move on with life
today's windy
 
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't notice it before :)
 
windsurfing!
 
flatulensday!
 
lol
it's apparently 7 in that weird wind scale
 
@BartekBanachewicz beaufort?
 
1:13 PM
I can't spell that
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
I'm too Polish to stack so many vovels together
we just stack consonants
 
@ratchetfreak Best cheese.
@BartekBanachewicz « eau » and « o » almost sound the same.
 
I know how to pronounce it because there's a famoush Polish song about "10 in Beaufort scale"
 
it's french...
 
1:18 PM
can we settle on "windy as fuck"
 
@ratchetfreak the song uses a foreign word and pronounces it correctly (shocking, I know)
 
my brother told me he had problems with a 3.5msq sail
@milleniumbug it's certainly not an usual thing
 
1:44 PM
I want to eat something fat.
 
@Morwenn may I suggest croissants topped with strawberries and red mold cheese?
 
@Horttanainen Thanks, I'm not hungry anymore.
 
@Morwenn try them :D
 
nwp
@Morwenn Eat eisbein.
 
Grilled bread with camembert, put the whole thing in the oven with bits of shallots.
@nwp The sauerkraut really keeps me away from that xD
 
nwp
1:48 PM
@Morwenn Consider it decoration, not food.
I think I will will eat that today. It's supposed to be winter food, but today is so cold I want it anyways.
 
I've no idea what I might eat tonight.
 
nwp
there is an app a site for that
 
pussy
 
@milleniumbug ... I was typing that
 
@milleniumbug I don't have any at hand.
 
nwp
1:58 PM
@Morwenn Try a different area.
 
Right, I have hands at hand.
I guess curry chicken with rice would be great.
 
also new Harley-Davidson bikes are kinda cool
I almost want one
 
@Morwenn bofeaurt
@BartekBanachewicz just substitute the Richter scale. Make more of an impact too
 
I wrapped tuna in lettuce leaves, it's great
 
@sehe you could say that it would shake the foundations of everything
> U.S. pilot’s license #1, four spots ahead of Wilbur Wright. Ouch.
 
2:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ...or "windy as Chicago"
 
that's because humans are newblets when it comes to flying ...
no license required, doesn't pay club fee ...
 
nwp
They even got a standard collision test for airplanes.
 
Sup guise
 
Hey :)
 
@nwp Lousy collision handling though.
 
2:30 PM
Did @AdebayoAdelabu get back to the mother land yet?
@Morwenn One of the very best indeed
I can't even decide which cheese is my favorite anyway
 
<3
Me neither. Way too many great ones.
 
And almost all of them being french B)
 
Yup.
 
I'm quite fond of the italian ones as well tho
 
On the other hand, « cheddar » is almost a synonym for « English cheese » so it's hard to tell the good ones from the bad ones from the name alone.
> Cheddar is the most popular type of cheese in the UK, accounting for 51% of the country's £1.9 billion annual cheese market.
 
2:41 PM
Stilton is an English cheese, produced in two varieties: Blue, known for its characteristic strong smell and taste, and the lesser-known White. Both have been granted the status of a protected designation of origin by the European Commission, which requires that only cheese produced in the three counties of Derbyshire, Leicestershire, and Nottinghamshire and made according to a strict code may be called "Stilton". Thus cheese made in the village of Stilton which is now in Cambridgeshire (from where its name was derived in the 18th century) could not be sold as "Stilton". == History == Frances...
You should try this one
 
Looks tasty af :o
 
it is
 
Can I find some in our supermarkets?
 
I don't think so
 
:/
I'll need to go to Plymouth again then.
 
2:46 PM
You can still find it in cheese shops
 
And buy fuckloads of cheese /o/
Oh, right. I tend not to go to cheese shops because I'd want to buy everything.
 
My father used to order buttloads of comté and beaufort directly from the cheesemaker in jura
 
*-*
 
At the supermaket I go to for my groceries, they often feature 30 months old comté
I'm always tempted but the price is like 35€/kg
 
ç_ç
 
3:02 PM
@Rerito Stilton is one of the better imitations of Roquefort (but a good Roquefort is definitely better, IMO). Unfortunately, even a mediocre Roquefort is usually more expensive...
 
@JerryCoffin They're quite different. I happen to enjoy roquefort more as well but stilton definitely has a unique taste
@JerryCoffin What price do you get in the US?
And what about the raw milk ban or something?
 
@Rerito Around $15-20/lb. In real numbers that would be...um...something like €45-60/kg, I guess (too lazy to do an accurate conversion though).
 
Roquefort is excellent for sauces.
 
3:26 PM
@Morwenn I like it with "rustic" bread
 
@BartekBanachewicz Curtiss did a lot of things that pissed off the Wright brothers
 
4:00 PM
does somebody here know reinforcement learning?
 
@Horttanainen here is a carrot, go learn it
 
@ratchetfreak heh
 
@Oqhax Thankfully, Chrome blocks Flash by default.
 
I didn't have it installed in the first place
What do I win?
 
5:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Strictly once.
it's who you know and who you blow ;p
by the way, when are you girlfriend-free? I might have some Archon time this weekend
 
@Puppy which version do you play?
 
LoTV mostly arcade maps
 
user784668
5:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz For the record, I wholeheartedly agree with @nwp
 
Hey! All my inbox notifications just came back.
 
user784668
And totally I don't say that only because I like being mean.
 
user784668
@Mysticial They were 🅱orked?
 
Yeah. For a while, they disappeared when I visited my global inbox on SE. They were only supposed to clear when you click on the drop-down directly.
Now they're back - all 4566 of them.
Oh, it disappeared again. fuck
 
6:07 PM
@Mysticial Damned JavaScript!
 
should've upgraded from isInteger-3.0.0 to isInteger-3.1.0 to fix that critical bug
 
@Mysticial This clearly demonstrates the undesirability of <insert disliked programming technique/trend here> and why you must use <insert preferred programming technique/trend here> instead!
 
6:37 PM
This is what censorship looks like. https://t.co/NU44HAiRVx
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^ Pretty scary. :(
 
7:04 PM
@wilx It's somewhat scary, but it's not censorship. There's a big leap from "We're not going to give you money to research a topic about which we just don't care" to actual censorship (which would be more like: "we won't let you talk/write about this, regardless of who pays for it").
 
@JerryCoffin I kinda disagree. I've skimmed the abstract and the paper isn't about climate change at all, it just mentions it.
and the requested change doesn't make a material difference in the slightest
it appears as a completely arbitrary trivial wording change for absolutely no purpose other than to further the political ends of the administration
 
@Puppy Irrelevant to my point. She's asking for a grant to support her research, and they're asking for a change in wording to the grant application. Regardless of what change is made at this level, or what decision is reached about funding her project, it's still not censorship. Nobody's stopping her from saying anything she wants, about climate change or otherwise--the only thing being drawn into question here is whether her project will be funded or not.
 
user784668
@Mysticial lol ICC
 
user784668
It can be persuaded to generate rol and ror with -mtune=haswell.
 
@Puppy I completely agree. But that does't make it censorship.
 
7:16 PM
well I think that depends on your definition of censorship
but I would have to say that refusing to fund science because the abstract contains a phrase you don't like probably qualifies.
you're effectively making it so that that researcher can't say those words and I think that seems pretty much like censorship to me
 
@Puppy This does nothing of the sort. It's just saying that if the researcher wants to talk about those subjects, they have to find some other source of funding. Calling it censorship is as silly as claiming that the a cancer research foundation is doing censorship by refusing to fund projects that aren't related to cancer.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin wat
 
well, there's two problems there
the first is that this depends entirely on the practicalities of finding other sources of funding
the second is that the government has a higher obligation in such matters (or certainly should do)
taxpayer money going into science should go into science, not government propaganda
if the government's not willing to accept scientific conclusions they shouldn't pay for any science
they're altering the scientific discourse in a dishonest way by filtering out things they don't like because they have disproportionate power to affect matters since they're basically the only source of funding for a large proportion of the projects
 
user784668
@Puppy Not in the Democratic People's Republic of United Murrican States.
 
@JerryCoffin What? Her thing got approved but now the government censor noticed she included global warming in her written research statement. As "global warming" is on the naughty list of words she now has to change it. That is the textbook definition of censorship.
Literally can't talk about it.
 
7:25 PM
@Puppy It's entirely practical. The US gov't supports only a minority of the basic research done in the US. The most recent data is for 2015, at which time 44% was gov't funded (note that this was well before Trump became president, so it's not a result of any change he did).
 
nwp
@Morwenn Ahmjamjam. Now I feel fat and lazy.
 
user784668
@nwp Ceci n'est pas un food
 
nwp
@Fanael :The requirement was fat. I think it qualifies.
 
@Mikhail Sorry, I misread--yes, funding was already approved. Doesn't change the basic facts though--at worst, if she refuses to change the wording, she loses her funding.
 
user784668
@nwp If I wanted so eat something fat, I'd eat the rich.
 
7:29 PM
@Mikhail Doesn't follow. She can talk about it all she wants. At worst, it's still a matter of their declining to pay for her to talk about it.
 
and when you're the government and your remit is to fund rational discussion, then that sounds quite a lot like censorship to me
 
@Puppy have been for a month
Aug 1 at 14:56, by Bartek Banachewicz
you were as mean to me as you're today so not much changed really
not surprised
 
user784668
2 hours ago, by Fanael
And totally I don't say that only because I like being mean.
 
@Fanael oh missed that one
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I thought it was end of August she was leaving
 
7:42 PM
@Puppy It's certainly true that the US gov't has administered funding of climate change research in ways that were pretty clearly designed to produce a pre-determined result, not just learn basic facts. For better or worse, however, the skew involved has been toward inflating the dangers of climate change, not hiding it. If we call this censorship, then censorship in the other direction has been rampant for decades.
 
@Puppy I might have misspoken actually
still got 5 months left, that's enough to hit GM :D
 
@JerryCoffin As someone who is not an expert on decades-long US government influence on scientific discourse, I cannot comment, except to say that I certainly would consider it censorship equally to skew in the other direction.
and if Puppy was President he'd make it a fuckin' crime to boot
 
@Fanael Frankly there's not much I can say in my defense. I like to think the opinions of people I mentor matter more. And 700+ people I've answered on SO. And countless I've helped in this chat. Judging by the few times I might have too hastily called someone a moron isn't nearly painting a full picture, imho.
Not saying that you shouldn't generally think I'm a horrible person, because I am, but maybe this specific reason isn't as spot-on as the starboard might suggest.
 
@BartekBanachewicz People star any old shit
I well remember the eight-year-period where "I'm an idiot" would get 20 stars
 
@Puppy While I don't like its happening (in either direction) I still say there's a huge leap from "we're not going to pay you to talk/write about foo" to "we're not going to let you talk/write about foo".
 
user784668
7:46 PM
@Puppy It still tends to get starred a lot.
 
@Puppy yeah, but I'd lie if I said that I don't feel at least a tiny bit hurt or touched by those 8 stars
 
@JerryCoffin There's also a huge leap from talking/writing to science.
 
@Mgetz yeah they had a lot of quarrels I've heard
 
user1804599
8:02 PM
lol this place is still alive
 
user1804599
what is this, kyrostat?
 
user1804599
hey at least it got TLS
 
8:21 PM
The Libyan Army band gives a unique rendition of God Save The Queen for Boris Johnson. You'll want the sound on f… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/901005510421381120
There was an attempt
@rightfold Newsflash: there's more than just you in the world. If it's not visible to you, it might still exist.
 
heh heh heh
deserves it, he does
 
Every. Single. Software developer. Must. Take. Note. YOU can go to jail for the code YOUR BOSS tells you to write. https://twitter.com/reuters/status/901134610662387718
 
nwp
8:48 PM
@sehe How is that a surprise for anyone?
 
@nwp It's something that helps remind people of their responsibility.
Complacency is too damn high
 
Caring about something makes you vulnerable. Being cynically detached is the true way to live.
(seriously fuck that)
 
Spoken as a true Buddhist (oh wait)
 
@Rerito Let's eat together! :o
 
`the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"` in this case it was "global warming" . They were literally not allowed to talk about.
 
9:00 PM
@nwp Eh, in the endI just ate pasta with cheese tonight. Talk about lazy.
 
nwp
Don't use endl. It triggers my OCD.
But pasta with cheese sounds nice.
 
Nice, but lazy af.
 
Its Friday!
 
Well, it's Saturday in a hour.
 
Ain't the next day 'till the sun comes up
 
9:09 PM
Drunkard words :p
 
English is a bad language for drinking, maybe Dutch
 
Helemaal niet
 
Breton make you sound like you're drunk even when you're sober.
 
Perhaps an Irish accent?
 
I drank Irish Pale Ale tonight in an Irish pub. That might do it :p
 
9:15 PM
> Age is irrelevant, I change mine every year.
 
The right youtube channels get high level commenters.
> Notice that glorious attention span of 7 seconds into the video until the guitar is facing us in the rack because he played it :D src
/cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
9:49 PM
@tvanfosson We had a redis server die hard, outdated cache restored temporarily :(
 
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