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01:15
@LucDanton top comment is exactly my thoughts, rofl
01:43
> Richard Stallman, fondateur du logiciel libre et initiateur de GNU/Linux, appelle à voter Jean-Luc Mélenchon
first of all it's GNU/Mélenchon
01:53
oo, GCC 7 about to hit the RC stage
> GCC 7.1-rc1 will be built and announced likely tomorrow.
02:36
Helpful project for those who are still willing to run windows 7
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19
"Less than 5% of Indian engineering students are fit for techie jobs, study finds"
https://www.techinasia.com/5-indian-engineering-students-fit-techie-jobs-study-finds
Other are fit only for work at certified microsoft scam call centers lol
03:09
My preferred path is the path of least resistant, which means I will only upgrade if I absolutely have to
which also mean I run on win 7
maybe I should get a new PC
you deliberately avoided the ability to upgrade to 10 for free
for ever
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't seem like it has any relationship to users who choose not to upgrade to windows 10:
> Enabled detection of processor generation and hardware support when PC tries to scan or download updates through Windows Update.
So I'm not sure how this sentence follows
> Which is essentially a giant middle finger to anyone who dare not "upgrade" to the steaming pile of garbage known as Windows 10.
03:43
looks like a giant conclusion drawn by the authors that the feature will be used to force potential upgraders to do just that
but I'm still reading
okay, if you click on the link to gHacks:
> As you may know, Microsoft announced some time ago that it would not support the latest generation of processors on older versions of Windows. To hammer this home even more, Microsoft revealed that it will block updates on older versions of Windows if the device was powered by a processor of the latest generation.
now that is a bit of a middle finger, if true
fortunately my i5 is just fine :)
@BoundaryImposition So the latest patch enables detecting whether the processor is among 'the latest generation', preventing the Windows Update from running if yes.
AMD could sue...?
@DeanSeo apparently
@DeanSeo on what grounds?
did they sign some contract saying Windows must support all of their processors always
@BoundaryImposition Well it's a middle finger for users but also for processor makers such as Intel and AMD, especially for AMD that just revealed its pretty awesome CPU line ups...
(fortunately my i5 is just fine and I just remembered this is Win10 anyway haha)
@DeanSeo didn't say they ought to be happy about it but having legal basis for a lawsuit is something else
mind you the rules of common sense don't seem to apply to the USA legal systems so carry on :)
Though to be honest, the only concerns should be whether processor does x86 or x86_64. Forced obsolescence is kind of silly when it comes to software, because it's virtually assured some nutter 25 years from now will be trying to run it just because it's a fun challenge
03:53
agreed
quite strongly, actually
it frustrates me somehow that so much of our software now just won't be reproducible for fun in a few years' time, if only because much of it requires "always-on" connectivity to some online service, or has an "installer" that actually just fetches the real software from some online service.
took great pleasure in installing Win3.1 on a VM last year, just because
also some old games for the sake of reminiscing
now the notion of "they must upgrade" and "why should they be on old versions? force them out of that habit" is pervasive and overrides all
thank goodness at least Firefox lets you install basically any version (crucial for dev work) and probably Chrome isn't horrible at that either
Microsoft actually provide VMs with old versions of IE and Windows for the same purpose
I totally understand the statement "We won't support older systems", but it's silly to actively go out of the way to block functionality. But thankfully it's just blocking updates, not the install itself. They probably plan to clear some of the old update servers to make space for new updates.
that makes sense if you get a different variant of update depending on what generation your processor is
and if some gigabytes of storage space were a really expensive commodity for a multinational corporation :)
@BoundaryImposition So agreed dude
Yeah, if it's an effort to hamstring old windows, it sounds like the kind of half-assed effort suggested by the IT guys so the business guys are satisfied that "Users must run windows 10"
MS has been obssessed supporting old systems, some of which is even too old. Funny they have some different perspective toward fancy new shiny systems.
04:00
well, 5am, time for bed
In reality, the change doesn't block any crucial things.
Sleep tite
Always-on is definitely a pain in the ass though. Usual solutions are to redirect to a false server, so the only difficult part is to reverse-engineer the authentication.
04:17
it made me feel really sick
I feel like i want to poke and my pancrea is failing lol
I feel like buy a cake
butter/fresh cream sponge cake to be exact
but I kind of don't want any unhealthy food in the fridge
doing a string search on the PC, it has been going for nearly 2 hours
04:40
that's new ...
05:29
@Telkitty Double-I Find?
no name shaming! >_<
 
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06:51
Hi loungers
uugh
I lost 60 rep due to repcap
that would've put me above 25k
oooh
Rep is capped now?
@Aaron3468 it has always been
200 daily not counting bounties and accepts
07:06
Ah, okay. I was wondering how some people get 100k
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Lol, there's a paper about Sci-Hub and it's behind a paywall.
@Aaron3468: It adds up.
Are private messages possible in this chat?
Or in stackoverflow in general?
I don't think so, no. Everything's public.
Alright
07:36
no, everything is public on SO for the reason that you can share logs later, if conversation would lead to something useful
Yeah everything is in public so you can't exchange dick pics. sad :/
The commentary on the right suggests that this hasn't been a problem. ;)
4 star dick pics?
it's public, so you have to throw away any shame about dick pics, just send them anyway
that dick has got 9 stars already.. it's getting harder
07:47
@ProblemSlover you can, you just need to encrypt them beforehand
Most people use double-rot13.
@ProblemSlover We all know it was just a ruse to keep a track on the fabulous french joek I made just before
@Arafangion I can decrypt that instantly
@Arafangion There were a couple finnish murderers who encrypted their drug talk on facebook with rot13
@Rerito That's the advantage. It's quick, and simple.
so is RSA+AES
you just need a calculator and a few big primes
07:51
A calculator would raise suspicion.
> This person is carrying a calculator around. Surely they're multiplying primes to establish a D-H exchange to send someone plans for a terrorist attack!
@BartekBanachewicz in Israel they would probably shoot you, then ask questions
I certainly never took a calculator whenever I went camping or hiking.
@BartekBanachewicz Speaking of which, an attack on a cop patrol went on yesterday just next to my office
@Rerito Ohh you are still in france.. sorry for that
08:05
@ProblemSlover France is the place to be for me
I belong here: I'm grumpy and as a typical french I rant about almost everything
Where else is that the national sport?
That shooting is in the sydney morning herald.
I just got a cactus!
it's so cool
I need to name it now
name it "my unshaved face"
08:07
what's a good name for a plant
@ProblemSlover meh
also OMG
I've just realized that by getting a plant I made the first step towards changing my career to botany.
@Arafangion The worst thing is that it took place on the most iconic avenue of Paris
@BartekBanachewicz Planty McPlantFace
This will surely have a nefarious impact on tourism
@Rerito That steel tower thingy?
@Arafangion Nope, the Arc de Triomphe thingy
08:10
Never heard of it!
@BartekBanachewicz We had a cactus that when stung by it your hand ached for a week like hell. It was impossible to write on a keyboard. It had to go when we moved.
this one doesn't have spikes
it looks like some demonic tentacles at most
give your cactus a 'hair cut'
@BartekBanachewicz haha
08:12
@Arafangion Worst roundabout in the whole country.
I've been doing guerilla gardening
I heard about that roundabout
I probably have been there myself
Planted a few things outside where I'm technically not allowed.
too occupied with other things at the time to notice the traffic
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you're renting, or? There's always potplants.
08:14
PC spent the afternoon searching, but I think it has found the files that I have been searching for
@Telkitty Most of the time we're too occupied with the traffic to notice the Arc.
I think I have noticed the 'cabbages' growing under the arc (curvings) ... maybe not cabbages, but looks like some sort of vegetation
@Arafangion Because it's not in the space I'm renting.
But it's unused.
Well, not anymore.
@Telkitty I wouldn't eat cabbages grown there :p
I wouldn't either - 200 some years old vegetable would be too hard to chew >_<
@R.MartinhoFernandes you rebel
martinho fernandes the potato anarchist
"vote for me and I'll end cropitalism!"
I love how Overload's editorials are always partially about how hard it is to find shit to talk about in editorials.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, I love his point that it's technical violating apples policy
@R.MartinhoFernandes geez, so good
it even deserves to nudge the pinned penis off the starboard
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like that he actually implements the tape machine.
08:35
spongy the potatocake
delicious
user1804599
@SpongyFruitcake Yummy, crops.
it's okay to wanting to eat spongy potatocake
it might be fatty and unhealthy, but it's delicious (when you are hungry)
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Apparently Apple doesn't support 😵.
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That's lame, I was looking for it before on my keyboard and couldn't find it, but it seems to exist.
08:55
@R.MartinhoFernandes we're having a "green day" where people replant the things themselves
bags of dirt in the cafeteria
generally I don't think people object others planting some vegetation unless the vegetation stinks, is really ugly/poisonous or hazard prone.
I ate a dahl yesterday with some cheese and plenty of vegetables I generally don't like, and it was excellent.
nwp
nwp
09:12
time do do lots more things you generally don't like in search of excellence
@nwp To to start writing more Java then.
@R.MartinhoFernandes explain...
@Morwenn bleh, use Kotlin
1 hour ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Planted a few things outside where I'm technically not allowed.
@R.MartinhoFernandes like what sort stuff?
Planted a blackcurrant bush.
09:19
hardcore man
You should be locked up
user1804599
That's what she said
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's pretty cool.
@rightfold I used your vimrc as a base for my vimrc. Some guy starred both of our repositories. i wonder what he was googling to get both of our repositories to show up.
ffs
I had the access to site analytics for 30 seconds
and then suddenly some rep recalc hit and I'm under 25k again
09:25
Can you exchange rep for money?
in some way, yes, if you paste the link to your highly decorated SO profile with lots of gold stars into your CV :)
I would prefer to cash in all my rep every month or so
you can invent some nefarious scheme to achieve this effect and probably get banned in the same day
nwp
nwp
@Horttanainen all 26? you're gonna be rich!
09:32
@nwp Well whats the exchange rate? For all I know I might be sitting on a gold mine here.
@Horttanainen probably a platinum one
user1804599
@Horttanainen Nice.
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Always good to have extra copies lying around, when I'm licensed to do so.
nwp
nwp
@Horttanainen roughly 1000$ per month per 100k rep, which means 1 cent monthly salary increase per point of rep. You're missing out!
Haha, I answered « use my library » to a question and it got accepted.
Now I'm happy :D
09:45
@nwp Well that would certainly motivate me.
@Morwenn I sent couple of questions regarding your library in your email
@Horttanainen Oh, I'll look at them.
user1804599
let handle: Box<Write> = Box::new(stdout());
user1804599
neat
user1804599
it werks
09:55
What does this tag on the channel mean "Explaining the joke since 1998"
React -> React.js
@Horttanainen Answered :p
I'm off to eat now.
10:15
@Morwenn Nice! Thanks
@DrManhattan unfortunately we cannot explain that
@LucDanton hahaha
10:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes interesting though
10:57
what do you guys think about this mess with north korea?
mass media tries very hard to hype it up
@login_not_failed I hope we'll have more songs from Moranbong before DPRK collapses.
nwp
nwp
11:12
@rightfold it's friday!
New Doom soundtrack is amazing
I found free movies online: openculture.com/freemoviesonline
They are not even pirates
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A: Using Boost.Lockfree queue is slower than using mutexes

David SchwartzLock free algorithms generally perform more poorly than lock-based algorithms. That's a key reason they're not used nearly as frequently. The problem with lock free algorithms is that they maximize contention by allowing contending threads to continue to contend. Locks avoid contention by de-sch...

That's a good answer if ever I saw one. A tad on the longish side, but still on-point.
user2015064
Sorry to ask but I wonder "Is it a good deal" means?
user2015064
What does this sentence mean in English?
@xersi It asks whether something is a good deal. So, usually, it has a good cost/benefit ratio
user2015064
11:27
@sehe Thanks for explaining. Thanks again.
I feel that is an excellent frequency of gratitude expressions.
user1804599
lol
user1804599
Someone stole a delivery vehicle but did deliver the food.
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@nwp lol two million downvotes
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12:23
@LalitBhakuni welcome
Meet fingerprint-payment Master Card ,. wtf
http://thehackernews.com/2017/04/mastercard-fingerprint-payment-card.html
@ProblemSlover meh, contactless payments are already ok
actually I think it's gonna take a lot of effort to top that
Yeah. especially in China,, But still it depends on region...
I've read an article this week stating that nowaday's photos on FB have a sufficient quality to recognize fingerprints and allow to create fake plastic models.
@Morwenn I think that is more a testament of how crappy fingerprint readers are than of how good the photos are.
Because fingerprint readers are just bad.
> Whether unlocking a smartphone or shopping online, the fingerprint is helping to deliver additional convenience and security
HAHAHA, good joke, MasterCard.
> [A fingerprint is] not something that can be taken or replicated and will help our cardholders get on with their lives knowing their payments are protected.
What do these people smoke?
12:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes cannabis probably.. for example it's become legal to smoke this weed in Israel
or perhaps there is a missing word .[A fingerprint is] not something that can EASILY be taken or replicated
Arguably also wrong.
@ProblemSlover I am pretty sure fingerprints from mobile devices are stored as bad as passwords are stored in general
so eventually they will leak out
To start, adding more ways to authenticate makes it less secure, because there's a larger attack surface.
yeah, good point
I.e. if the existing PIN system isn't secure enough adding an alternative doesn't add security.
Someone who stole the card still has all the vulnerabilities that the system had before to exploit.
12:43
@login_not_failed they need to be stored in "plain text" because you need fuzzy matching
Cash is the most secure payment method.. nothing can beat it..
@ProblemSlover Except forgery?
and outright theft
@ratchetfreak no I didn't meant the form of the storage, just how sloppy people are dealing with security sometimes
12:46
@ProblemSlover Unless nobody can afford cash and it doesn't mean anything anymore, to the point you just trade goods.
exchanging goods like in the ancient times
Indeed back then people's needs were quite basic.. food(usually meat . water) / clothes.. hunting tools. that's probably it ..what a life
On the other hand, when you starting producing expiring goods only part on the year, you need some lasting thing to exhange, hence money...
13:12
@rightfold link?
google still trying to keep google+ on float by adding some cool animation effects :/
@ProblemSlover I suspect cash's days are numbered because of law enforcement. They really really dislike the anonymity of cash because of money laundering
@Mgetz Here Comes Bitcoin..
@ProblemSlover which is actually traceable
@Mgetz and cash sales being underreported which means that less taxes are paid on it
13:20
@ratchetfreak true, but they honestly care less about that than money laundering
@Mgetz A system with a publicly available ledger is great for this.
different scales of bad
@R.MartinhoFernandes several financial regulators have made this comment, been right, and then were vilified by the financial services industry immediately
it is worrying that there is literally a legal threshold for fraud
isn't that mostly to not inconvenience the small guy?
@ratchetfreak more actually as the ledger must by default be publicly held and open, thus the cost to interact is zero. Whereas right now the 3rd party ledgering companies charge an arm and a leg.
@Mysticial I am amused by all the HN comments calling MS evil for not supporting new procs on Win 7 & 8.1; I wonder how many of them even know what a processor errata is...
13:35
Multitasking programmer lol lol lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/66i8au/for_hire_programmer_editor_and_pt_translator/
ScY
ScY
he is a full full stack developer
but if you are more than full, you would be an over flow stack developer
programmer who is also offering editing photos and videos..
@Telkitty That's what I was just thinking! :)
13:44
so stackoverflow developers are more than full stack developers?
@Telkitty they have undefined behavior
sometimes they do exactly what you expect them to other times they make you wish you could summon demons from their nostrils
why would anyone want to summon demons from nostrils ?
undefined behavior... anything can happen
@Telkitty Especially since Nostril is already chaotic enough.
By the way (/cc @sehe):
I like when I chain together a few bash commands and it works exactly like I wanted on the first atempt
git branch | grep -v '*' | xargs git branch -d $1

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