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Ven
8:00 AM
@LucDanton i'm still shaking
Ugh, 30min for my train
 
lol. btw PhD is it just the 1f you have? <insert-heartless-hex-joke>
 
@Aaron3468 God: "PEBCAK!"
 
@Ven The first ep is a double episode. Don't accidentally skip the second part like I did...
 
Xeo
@sehe God sure is uncertain today.
 
@sehe I chuckled as I watched those edits
 
8:02 AM
@Xeo I actually failed to channel His word into three different messages
 
don't laugh at polar bear
 
Ven
@StackedCrooked lol, thanks :P. I'd realize if I missed a bit of the story, anyways, if it's anthing like the manga
 
@Aaron3468 They were all three more probable and more likely than your original suggestion
 
user1804599
Hi
 
Yes, I am a purveyor of bad puns*. They're all well beyond warranty, but if you sacrifice a black goat on February the 45th, they are hilarious. * and jokes
 
user1804599
8:06 AM
Wat do today
 
nwp
@rightfold do et!
 
Hey guys!
In our school, we are taught turbo c++
9
but apparently, that is extremely outdated
So what should I use instead?
 
nwp
@RahulBasu C++14
 
That's a compiler?
 
Xeo
8:11 AM
MSVC, GCC, Clang
 
ok, thanks
 
user1804599
Also your curriculum is maintained by morons. Take absolutely everything they tell you with a grain of salt.
 
I hear from some Indian people that it's the norm there to compile Turbo C++ on MS-DOS. While I agree that you acquire some theoretical background in computer science, there will be quite the adjustment to standard frameworks that rely on newer technologies.
 
user1804599
You can't learn C++ by learning C with Classes.
 
Ven
8:21 AM
You can't learn C++.
 
user1804599
You must learn, for example, that raw owning pointers are evil, and that standard algorithms exist, and how to use standard containers, and how to avoid subtype polymorphism by using templates and ADL, and how to exploit SFINAE.
 
Yep, they aren't really learning C++; they're visiting a museum to look at pics of C++' grandfather. The only real value is learning general computing. Not a lot of competitive edge in the workplace on its own
 
user1804599
If you want to learn how to program you should pick a programming language where you don't have to worry about 99 million special cases and pitfalls.
 
user1804599
Otherwise you're just wasting time
 
@rightfold So... not C++?
 
user1804599
8:25 AM
Precisely.
 
user1804599
I think learning C++ is highly valuable, but you should grasp simpler concepts first.
 
user1804599
I want to learn another programming language this weekend. @Ven suggest me one
 
I like that rust is becoming popular. On the other hand, I haven't yet mastered its exotic syntax and coding style. C++ is indeed valuable. A lot of my AI and interpreter/emulator projects push python to its limits.
So I find myself coming back to C++ every once in a while
 
user1804599
Rust is fantastic.
 
What I can get it to do so far, I've really enjoyed. Exact integer lengths by default are a fantastic stride too.
But it'll be a while before I can figure out exceptions
 
user1804599
8:30 AM
I've never needed anything other than isize and usize and num::BigInt
 
user1804599
@Aaron3468 Rust exceptions are solely for API contract violations
 
user1804599
You must not use them as a general error signaling mechanism
 
user1804599
Use them for, e.g. division by zero, or other bugs the type system is unable to catch
 
user1804599
For errors that are not bugs, return Result<T, E>.
 
I see... So then that means they're intentionally difficult to use because I shouldn't be touching them when I don't understand them
 
user1804599
8:32 AM
Opening a non-existing file isn't a bug.
 
user1804599
They aren't difficult to use. You just can't catch them at all unless you spawn a thread and join it
 
user1804599
Unchecked exceptions are a terrible, terrible idea. They're literally dynamic typing.
 
The alternative to unchecked exceptions is more work, or Java
 
I'll look into it a bit more, because rust seems to be worth the effort to adjust to. It's promising that there are already bindings to GUI for rust
 
Ven
@rightfold what kind of language are you in the mood for?
 
8:39 AM
@Ven Malbolge
 
user1804599
@Ven different paradigm or type wankery
 
@StackedCrooked Why are there two first episodes for Re Zero?
 
user1804599
Yummy brie
 
@Mysticial dunno why
Just make sure to watch them both :P
My player automatically skipped episode 1B and jumped to 2.
It was confusing.
 
8:43 AM
How am I even supposed to MAL that?
lol
 
@StackedCrooked The worst is when you're watching an anime in confusion, and realize you were watching the same episode
 
@Aaron3468 For some slice-of-life shows, I can watch episodes in the wrong order and have no clue.
 
endless eight was the worst
 
Fuck endless 8.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked lekker worst
 
Ven
8:46 AM
@rightfold do some Agda. Prove + is commutative
 
Oh god. It was cute the first 3 times, then it wore thin. Filler is fine if it has interesting and thoughtful dialogue
 
I watched that shit as it aired.
Fuck them.
And fuck me for putting up with it.
 
Same.
Hey, Boost 1.61 is released with Hana.
 
Xeo
@Aaron3468 It wasn't filler, though, from what I understand. It was exactly like that in the source novels.
 
boost::compute also looks like it could be interesting
 
8:52 AM
Yeah... that's the tough part; to what extent is it an adaptation's responsibility to rewrite? In the case of Big Order, I fully support burning the plot to the ground and starting anew. In haruhi, it's a tough call
 
nwp
alignof should totally work with expressions -.-
 
@StackedCrooked I find it interesting that they did it on OpenCL, while the Thrust people said it would be impossible because OpenCL doesn't support classes, templates, etc.
FYI, something similar is available through OpenCV...
 
@nwp in your code at std::max({sizeof(std::vector<Variant>),... are those really sizeof or should they be alignof?
 
nwp
@doug65536 sizeof, to get the maximum size of all union members
I really hope you are not stuck with MSVC, otherwise the answer is useless
 
ah, the alignment name misled me. no don't worry, g++ v5 or so and I cross compile to windows
 
nwp
9:04 AM
alignment is poorly named
 
thanks
It'll be a bit to integrate back into my real implementation, I'll probably mark as answer
it has more types and lots of constructors and multiple operator[], several more boring types line bool, null, undefined, etc, as you might guess from a variant type of thing
the locality of gcc std::sort is amazing
 
9:26 AM
Yeah, after 3 or 4 iterations, the result is good enough to improve access times
 
nwp
@rightfold make this and put real AI in the game (people hate that)
 
user1804599
uh no
 
@StackedCrooked Oh wow. That's the first time I've heard Noto Mamiko do an evil voice like that.
lol
 
9:51 AM
morning
 
Ven
o/
 
@Mysticial It's a very evil voice :)
@rightfold I should buy some.
 
user1804599
10:17 AM
so bored
 
nwp
> Additional uncaught exception thrown while handling exception.
> Original: PDOException: SQLSTATE[08004] [1040] Too many connections in drupal_is_denied() (line 1921 of /var/www/sites/opengameart/includes/bootstrap.inc).
> Additional: PDOException: SQLSTATE[HY000] [1040] Too many connections in dblog_watchdog() (line 147 of /var/www/sites/opengameart/modules/dblog/dblog.module).
I just want some random tiling texture :(
 
Ven
@rightfold AGDA
 
user1804599
10:41 AM
XD
 
10:53 AM
it isn't duplicate Q. pleaseeeeee answer me — farid 19 mins ago
 
11:04 AM
@Ven AGDA? IDGI!
 
Ven
@LucDanton omfg!11
 
user1804599
Ah, I know something fun to do.
 
Ven
?
 
user1804599
I am going to change the expression simplifier I wrote yesterday so that it reads rewrite rules from a file.
 
user1804599
Instead of them being hardcoded as PureScript patterns.
 
11:15 AM
I must say
I'm finding ranked 1v1 in LoTV to be disappointing
 
Ven
@CaptainGiraffe how is it?
 
just cheese and rushes every single game
 
Ven
that's because you're in low brackets
@JerryCoffin fun quote
 
user1804599
So instead of hardcoded simplify (Sin Pi) = Int 0, it would read from a file sin π = 0.
 
user1804599
No idea how to do that though. :D
 
11:17 AM
@Ven The better question is why does this shit even exist?
why are Oracles even in the game?
Blizzard should just remove them
 
Ven
because protoss is a retarded race.
 
HackerNews and Buttcoin crossover cc @DmitriBudnikov @CatPlusPlus
 
Ven
and because they don't disrupt the game at a high level
 
well that's great for the 100 high level people
everyone else on the other hand
 
Ven
;)
 
11:18 AM
besides
 
Ven
that's a big problem with the game (and others that have an esport scene in general)
 
merely not being shit sometimes is not really enough justification to have a unit for the game
 
Ven
although even at high level, at times oracle result in a BO loss if unscouted. A bit less in LOTV, tho
 
Terran is just as bad in their own way
usually they can't hide shit all over the map so it's impossible to scout it, but they've got way more cheeses
 
Ven
terran in general performs much worse at high level
 
11:21 AM
harassment units like oracle/reaper just should not be even remotely good against regular army units
 
Ven
last tourney, 16 players, only one terran
reaper is not good at all past the 3 minutes mark, seriously
except if all you can do is a-click marines
 
well that really depends on how many marines you have
compared to how many reapers
 
Ven
sure. but the only advantage the reaper has (except for a 1v1) is the healing capacity
 
and the grenades.
 
Ven
1 min ago, by Ven
except if all you can do is a-click marines
 
11:23 AM
and they also have more hitpoints and I think still higher DPS
 
Ven
they cost more, so they do a bit more, QED
 
user1804599
Well, implementing a system that rewrites sin π to 0 is really easy.
 
@Ven If the other guy has six reapers and throw six grenades, you don't need poor micro to get hit at least a bit
 
user1804599
It gets tricky with verbibols: a * b + a * c = a * (b + c).
 
Ven
okay, you mean in a reaper all-in
 
11:24 AM
one or two reapers isn't so bad
you can fend that off with a couple marines without too much trouble
it's surprise 20 reapers that's the problem
or even just 4-6 reapers
 
Ven
that means you didn't scout at all
and went for a greedy build
 
nah
 
Ven
by the time they have 4-6 reapers you should have 2 hellions in TvT
 
well I could do that, but then I'm gonna get flattened by a quick tank drop cheese or a cloaked banshee cheese instead
 
Ven
the idea is that you scout with these hellions
tank drop or cloaked banshees are not cheeses
 
11:25 AM
yeah but how is that supposed to be even remotely effective?
the other guy has a walloff.
he just puts the tech at the back or even just on the other side of the map
 
Ven
sure he can proxy. but you can at least force him up his ramp and harass his 2nd cc
 
so what?
 
Ven
the idea is to have presence on the map
 
I'm just as dead.
 
Ven
if anything goes by you'll see it
 
11:27 AM
well the hellions can't anywhere near occupy enough of the map to have any remote reliability in that matter
 
Ven
you play on maps without xelnagas?
 
I play on the regular ranked maps
they have some xelnagas, sometimes.
 
user1804599
I guess I'll just generate PureScript code from the rewrite rules.
 
and even if I did see it, seeing the cloaked banshee on the way to my base is already too late
 
user1804599
It's the easiest.
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
As a build step.
 
Ven
what kind of build are you going for in TvT that doesn't give you a scan to fend a banshee off??
 
one whole scan?
the other guy can just, like, micro just a tiny bit.
 
Ven
then you don't have enough units?
 
Ben
Ben enters the room
 
the banshee moves a lot faster so you'd need a fairly considerable quantity of marines to hold your bases
 
Ven
11:29 AM
you should have a viking as well
 
that.. is not going to help matters
 
Ven
a viking is not going to help killing a banshee? ok
 
you basically seem to suggest that I should build all the counters to all the cheeses, all the time, which is completely uneconomical.
 
Ven
no, I suggest you use a TvT-tailored build order
 
the build you're suggesting is basically ^
 
Ven
11:32 AM
nah
you need to scout enough to see what he has. how much gas he's mined. if he has 3 rax, he's gonna go with marines and you can probably build one or two bunkers. if he has an armory, it's a hellbat timing, and you need to prepare more than marines. ...
 
have not encountered hellbat timings yet
 
Ven
what you are suggesting is that you should use a "fit-for-all" build, which is against the very idea of sc2
 
but thank you for adding yet another entry to the list of "How to die in a stupid way"
 
Ven
:D
if you see a starport with tech lab, prepare turrets and save mules for scans. etc
 
yeah, but there's way more space for a starport with tech lab than you have scans available
even if you fast expand and make the 2nd into an orbital
also, assuming 3 rax -> marines is exactly what gets you killed by 6 reapers
 
Ven
11:35 AM
it doesn't matter if it's marines or reapers. it's an aggro build
 
we lost a game in platinum archon when we saw 8 rax and prepared for a marine push
well it kinda does because bunkers at your wall is completely useless against reapers
 
Ven
there's space, but you can infer there's one or not by the gas they mined and by the other tech buildings they have
 
so what you're really saying is that in order to survive more than five minutes, I must scout and react perfectly to every possible opening
whereas in order to die in less than five minutes, I merely need to position a scan a little too far to the left.
this is not really against my core complaint here.
 
nwp
@Puppy or you just learn 1 cheese build and put the pressure on the other player :P
 
Ven
yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying
nice strawman
 
11:37 AM
yeah I tried that but really it's a bit shit
you just cheese every game.
you can get into a higher league quickly but the actual gameplay experience is just shite
all I'm saying is, it would be nice if these stupid cheeses required a little more effort to pull off, compared to how much effort and apparently perfection is required to defend them
it's no wonder everybody in the lower leagues cheeses every game
 
Ven
okay, that's fair
it requires more micro and game vision to counter than to pull off. that's definitely true
 
I wouldn't mind being cheesed if I felt that it meant that my opponent had to have actual skill and bested me because he was more skilled than me
it's kinda like being AWPed in CS
the other problem is that sometimes they carry out cheeses poorly but that can make things even worse because they're not so easily detectable
like people who are late with their gas, they have low gas so you think not cloaked banshees but turns out they're just slow
 
Ven
 
11:53 AM
@Ven puppy fails at that
 
Ven
it's really tough
 
@Puppy there's always the mindgame aspect
I think it boils down to the fact you won't be able to win every single game
 
12:06 PM
yeah
I don't mind losing games, I mind losing games when the skill requirement for the other guy to win is so much lower
 
@Puppy so you mean every single ZvT for zerg?
CircleCI is an SJW
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah.
you just have a terrible habit of building the wrong units ;p
 
@Puppy yeah, because you only need infestors and vipers against bio + a tank
clearly zerg players simply don't buy enough high-tech high-micro units to counter barracks units
 
that's why we should make a bunch of tanks in basically every game against Zerg ;p
a few bio units is useful but I agree that they can't be the bulk of the composition against Zerg at all
I tried it that one time against roach/ravager and just no
 
ravagers are a huge help
 
12:16 PM
hmm
I think it's more about army value
it's a lot easier for them to make a shitload of roach/ravager than for us to make a comparable amount of bio
tanks do so much damage when you have enough that the army value difference doesn't hurt as much
so, games? ;p
 
Ven
more liberators
 
liberators not that great against roach/ravager
corrosive bile is faster than they can undeploy mostly
they're good to stop people from rushing in at your tanks and also good against surprise mutas
 
Ven
ya
they're not that good against mutas, they got nerfed
 
nah
that nerf is against corruptors
they still do 7 vs light
 
Ven
it's light, right?
ah ok
 
12:20 PM
I thought that patch hadn't hit yet anyway?
 
Ven
magic boxin' like a thor
 
TIL Battle.net is like facebook
 
Ven
?
 
It shows you how many mutual friends you have with other people
 
Ven
oh, that
 
12:22 PM
In order to friend request them
 
Ven
it's been here since... 2011?
 
I'm new to this OK??!??
 
@Puppy we can play one or two
i just need to make coffee
 
ok
 
nwp
yay for MaSa(T) vs puCK(P) SC2, watching instead of playing makes imbalances and cheese more enjoyable
 
Ven
12:28 PM
coffee sounds amazing
@nwp has puCK been performing recently at all?
 
nwp
no idea, I don't follow that closely
but they don't seem to ever stop talking and play the game -.-
 
Ven
takes a shitload of time for each player to setup their keybinds every time
 
Ven
12:48 PM
Puck frotoss.
 
nwp
T OP
 
Ven
"better not get storm right guys"
 
1:37 PM
well played by Puck in that game
 
user1804599
Dealing with associativity is difficult.
 
user1804599
Consider Multiply (Multiply 2 x) (Raise x y). I want to simplify that to Multiply 2 (Raise x (Add y 1)).
 
Ell
Why can't you?
 
user1804599
1:53 PM
I don't know how.
 
any more games today?
 
user1804599
hmm
 
user1804599
simplify' (Multiply a (Multiply b c)) = Multiply (Multiply a b) c
 
lol so simple
 
user1804599
doesn't work
 
1:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Dreamhack? Yeah I think thery're gonna try for most of the ro32 today
 
Ven
You didn't simplify shit
 
one thing I really noticed Masa do that we don't do against Protoss is make Widow Mines
 
Ven
not easy to manage
meh actually it's okay, but it's best with a separate control group
 
user1804599
hmm
 
user1804599
yay
 
user1804599
2:09 PM
simplify' m@(Multiply _ _) = unfold m # sort # foldr go (Integer 1)
  where unfold (Multiply a b) = unfold (simplify' a) <> unfold (simplify' b)
        unfold x              = Cons (simplify' x) Nil
 
planting mines under tanks or liberators is a great idea I think
 
Ven
if you know the guy is gonna banshee, a mine near your "outside-ish" extractor is 10/10
but it comes done to luck a bit, because if the pathing you predicted is wrong.. :/
or even a mine under 3/4 marines when there's an oracle. he'll try to go for a kill (you need 6+marines to deter an oracle) and BOOM :D
 
what the fuck is anyody watching polt v strange
 
Ven
yeah.
2nd–"b"– stream
 
yeeh
 
Ven
2:15 PM
started off with strange 2-0 polt
 
I love how they are asking if it'll be "ANOTHER" draw
 
Ven
dat comeback
 
I think Polt didn't really need OC to win so much there
he can pick off Strange's buildings and Strange can't hurt his flying buildings
 
Ven
(and yes there was a draw right before this game)
well, he can kill every unit for Polt. meanwhile strange can't kill that rax
 
Polt can lift into the medivac when the DT hits the maraduers
just heal them up somewhere and then drop again
it would take a long time but he could do it
 
Ven
2:20 PM
the DTs would just stand near the buildings to defend, and then 3dt would kill the unload units quickly
 
not quickly enough I think
 
Ven
mmh
 
Ell
@rightfold how come?
Oh wait its not a simplification is it really
 
Ven
28 mins ago, by Ven
You didn't simplify shit
 
Ell
Eh don't you always need to use two multiplies?
 
2:43 PM
nice play by Drogo in that game
big mistake by Bunny to move that Cyclone
 
user1804599
3:01 PM
@Ell it was a preparation for other simplifications
 
user1804599
simplify' is repeatedly called until it result no longer changes.
 
user1804599
My mother consistently gets hiccups after eating shawarma.
 
user1804599
It's really weird.
 
Ven
3:25 PM
holy fuck, what a reminder I suck at starcraft
 
4:17 PM
Spoilerman, spoilerman
does whatever an asshole can
creeps onto you like a fly
to spoil the show ahead of time
Look out! Here comes the Spoilerman.
So what's up with GoT?
 
4:46 PM
@Shoe im out
 
Ell
4:59 PM
@rightfold will that work? o.O
 
user1804599
No it doesn't work that's why I'm doing it.
 
5:12 PM
man I've been gone too long :)
 
5:23 PM
Movie suggestions?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hardcore
 
1 gillion psi
 
user1804599
EU, not Europe.
 
user1804599
Europe is a wonderful continent with lots of cultures. EU is a bureaucratic bulwark.
 
user1804599
It is quite difficult to relocate an entire country to a different continent.
 
5:57 PM
"straight outta EU" doesn't have the same ring to it
 
user1804599
:(
 
6:14 PM
they both have the same ring - none
 
6:25 PM
are you exiting puppy?
 
am I exiting myself?
 
Ven
who knows.
 
@Puppy parse harder
 
no
 
Ven
6:45 PM
DH is back
 
user1804599
DHH is back
 
user1804599
Douchebag Heinemeier Hansson
 
@rightfold kinda hard to believe the diamond is real
 
user1804599
It isn't a diamond. It's a video of a diamond.
 
oh that explains :)
 
user1804599
6:50 PM
If Crooked Hillary Clinton can't close the deal on Crazy Bernie, how is she going to take on China, Russia, ISIS and all of the others?
 
user1804599
StackedCrooked Hillary Clinton
 
Yeah, I'm presidential and shit.
 
user1804599
> Starving African children could have eaten that diamo.... wait, African children are the ones mining diamonds for us, nevermind.
 

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