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user406009
12:17 AM
@milleniumbug Isn't that std::move correct though?
 
It is
 
great, the tenant that moved into my brand new place is not paying rent and a week in arrear already
only being there for 2 weeks
 
Turns out this guy was right :p
@JamesMcNellis If we get careless, they may end up announcing Windows 10 for Linux. Or Linux for Windows.
 
Ell
@milleniumbug lol
 
12:43 AM
found this on the internet ...
 
Ven
@ThePhD take care :(
 
> Just one member. That's not acceptable. Sorry.
=/
Looks like I'm going to be forced to join another team
 
Why are more people choosing Ubuntu in recent years? It can't just be that you can install cpanel on it ...
 
@ThePhD For?
 
Because I definitely needed more work, and to work with individuals doing god knows what.
 
user406009
12:51 AM
@Telkitty Ubuntu is relatively well polished.
 
@Borgleader Bjarne's class, final project.
 
user406009
Stuff like installing drivers is easy.
 
user406009
There is a GUI for it an all.
 
user406009
In Debian, you have to look at the wiki, etc, etc.
 
user406009
Also, a lot of common programs have packages for Ubuntu.
 
12:56 AM
@ThePhD aw
 
Ell
@ThePhD working with others could suck or it could be valuable
 
chicken & egg problem, Ubuntu has to be commonly used before people are willing to write packages for it, and once Ubuntu has more utilities, people tend to choose to use it more ...
 
Ell
I think it will be valuable
you can give yourself a break and let others do more work :P
Also. Are lua files just FILE*s?
 
@ThePhD I see.
 
Ell
ah ignore me phd
 
1:00 AM
Whatever project he gives you should be pretty easy anyway no?
 
I am question banned on meta again
not that I ever ask questions on meta
 
user406009
@Telkitty The solution is to just ignore meta.
 
user406009
Meta = shit
 
I have enough problems to deal in real life already, meta problem is currently of LC (least concern)
 
@Lalaland that explains shitposting
 
1:08 AM
Hi there. Help me with naming. I have BNF Grammar (lexical analysis) with many fields and substructures. And in algorithms I use structs with only ids of entities (rules, terminals, etc). How to name them? E.g. I have BnfGrammar. I ended with BnfIdGrammar, but this is ugly.
 
user406009
@Borgleader Every meta post is a shit post.
 
that is what i implied s/meta/shit/ in metapost
 
@Borgleader It's not him handing me a project, I'll be joining another team and implementing whatever they have in mind.
Essentially, I'll become a slave / lackey to the other team, since it's A) not my own project and B) these people have a strong idea of what they already want.
The reason I don't want team members is because Sol's feature complete right now.
 
Ell
couldn't you find a weaker student to be your team partner?
 
@Ell I like your thought :p
 
1:21 AM
@ThePhD Ah
Eh, just engage cruise control and take it easy :)
 
I'd literally onboard them and be like "uh. You can either write an application on top of sol, convert an existing project, or work on implementing sandboxing / script-control with lua".
Script control / figuring out sandboxing would be a MASSIVE feature, potentially.
 
Ell
@ThePhD have you wrapped the standard libraries for sol?
isn't that something "small" to do
 
@Ell "wrapped the standard libraries"?
 
Ell
ie, wrap the io library with streams or something like that
 
@Ell No need, lua provides its own primitives for that.
 
Ell
1:24 AM
Nothing c++ though
 
It's also outside the scope of sol. Providing additional modules is the job of the well-lauded LuaRocks implementation.
 
Ell
@ThePhD can I do something like: std::istream& in = lua["io.stdin"];' in sol?
 
Oh. No, you can't.
 
Ell
is that outside of the scope of sol? and if so, why?
also threads, coroutines and the other non-{double, table, string, basic primitives}
 
It's outside the scope of Sol because A) it's hard as fuck to do what you're suggesting and very crappy performance wise (we'd essentially be loading a chunk of lua code and running it for every call to that in stream from C++) B) if we do that, then we have to support {somebody's favorite lua library}. The feature creep would murder the library outright.
We have sol::thread, sol::coroutine done.
Only thing we're missing is a clean way of setting up environments / "sandboxing".
 
Ell
1:28 AM
Well, is it feature creep? You're only doing the standard library of lua, it's not like its random external modules
 
Like I said, it's not performant (there's no readily C++-available C code that runs parts of the lua standard library, so we'd just be running a script to do something like get a byte... and that's just horrible) and after we do the standard library, people will ask us to wrap other modules... when they should just do their processing in lua and export the result to C++ or vice-versa.
 
@Ell It doesn't make sense.
io.stdin is just stdin in C.
lol
 
The lua standard library is implemented with C primitives in the first place: we'd literally be doing C -> Lua -> C/C++, which is a humongous waste.
 
@Ell you want io.stdin to be translated to an std::istream& somehow?
 
What @Rapptz said.
 
1:31 AM
You are awful at semantic versioning btw
 
@Rapptz ☑ rapptzed ☐ not rapptzed
 
@Ell it’s time to stop posting and go to bed
 
user406009
@Rapptz So it turned out that my extension plan for Discord was sorta a failure.
 
y
 
user406009
It just sorta slowly corrupted discord's state until the chat entirely falls apart.
 
1:32 AM
@Rapptz I have no idea what I'm doing with releases. vOv
 
@ThePhD I can tell.
 
user406009
Modifying react dom nodes directly was a BadIdea(TM)
 
user406009
I'll have to think of another approach.
 
I have an idea.
But it isn't a good one.
 
Ell
Oops
I assumed incorrectly one could get the FILE* from an fstream
I'll go to bed out of shame
 
1:33 AM
Nop.
 
@Ell Pat pat
 
Ell
I suppose you could do FILE* stuff = lua["io.stdin"] then? :P
But yeah I guess it's kinda pointless
 
Just use stdin and stdout FILE* objects :+1:
>2016
>no emojis
when is @LucDanton joining Discord
 
Ell
@Rapptz its just an example
 
@Rapptz when they add plonking
 
1:36 AM
@Ell it’s userdata, you have to know the innards if you want more than that
@Rapptz never heard of it
 
Ell
@LucDanton right. Makes sense
Ugh I feel like a right idiot
Today has really not been my day
 
@Borgleader they already did
 
Ell
First I spend two hours wondering why my code is broken but it turns out I was running the wrong executable
 
@LucDanton nice try guy
 
@Rapptz Oh, well idk wtf hes waiting for then
 
Ell
1:38 AM
@Borgleader reply arrows
They are single best thing about so chat
And discord doesn't have them
 
user406009
@Ell psst, my extension ...
 
@Ell the joke <-------------------> you
 
Ell
Bedtime. Night :)
 
We could make a transcript site.
 
user406009
A "ping inbox" would be really helpful.
 
user406009
1:40 AM
Unfortunately, I can't make big UI changes without corrupting the state.
 
user406009
Which really sucks.
 
user406009
fuck react
 
user406009
Makes this way too complicated.
 
ping inbox is easy to add to bot
 
Oh, that's right
 
user406009
1:41 AM
Eh, I wanted to add some nice UI elements.
 
I can generalise ?mentions so it always PMs you when you're idle/offline and you get mentioned.
 
user406009
But it just corrupts everything.
 
opt-in though
 
We don't have any way of signaling to pass the current lua_State* to a C function
And I can't think of a way to do it without making sol stateful.
 
user406009
@Rapptz Yeah, that could work.
 
1:42 AM
We need some kind of magic constant that can appear in lua code.
sol.state might work, but...
 
user406009
It would be most helpful with some sort of offline transcript though.
 
user406009
So you can see the context of where you got pinged.
 
Yeah that's why I said transcript is a better feature
than direct replies or anything else
and why I would rather work on that than anything else lol
 
user406009
The only time I ever look at the transcript is from the ping inbox.
 
Direct replies require transcript.
e.g. if I reply to something ancient.
 
user406009
1:46 AM
Yeah, my autoscrolling code sorta breaks down in that case.
 
user406009
Well, it technically works.
 
user406009
But it doesn't do what you want.
 
user406009
It takes a while.
 
Ell
@ThePhD is the issue that you can't have multiple "instances" of Sol?
 
I googled my username yesterday and got this
Made me legit sad.
 
1:48 AM
@Rapptz hai pls to be helping me???
 
lol why
 
@Borgleader I've done C++ stuff forever and I do one python thing and it apparently overtakes my SEO.
 
@Ell No.
It's just that I have no mechanism to pass the lua_State* to a C++ function that gets bound.
 
@Rapptz because python devs outnumber c++ devs a billion to one ;)
 
>discord java api
I don't even use java
 
1:50 AM
@Rapptz that’s because SEO is literally the pay2win of web
 
it's insulting
:'(
 
I've checked my nick, and for now it blends in
There's nothing interesting in Google searches
...maybe for the same reasons - I don't have any Python repos :D
 
@milleniumbug your name hasnt been relevant post january 1st 2000
 
user406009
Lol, it looks like my ShitBoard chrome extension finally hit the google extension repository.
 
user406009
2:00 AM
So much for a joke april fools "announcement"
 
user406009
12 hours to publish, yay Google.
 
Need to do lua-api-pp (another shitty framework), lua-intf, luawrapper, luabind....
and SLB and SWIG
 
user406009
 
2:47 AM
dadwadjawlkdw
BOOST DEPENDENCIES WHY.
 
3:20 AM
its friday @ThePhD
why you workin' so hard
 
Swig is monstrously huge.
But still smaller than these boost deps.
@Prismatic I don't think you understand. There is no resting. There is no waiting. I have so many battles to fight, and so much to do. And I'm already starting to feel weary.
If I drop now, I won't get up.
 
3:43 AM
Bwuh
Finally
slb3 is compiling
.... I don't even want to think about SWIG.
 
Think about swigging instead.
 
A whole gallon of mead? Hell yeah...
luawrapper triggers an ICE...
Just to fucking bench these BULLSHIT frameworks I have to fix their errors too
This is HORSE SHIT.
 
I sense your apparent frustration
@ThePhD what are you building at the moment?
oh
 
I'm benchmarking 12 different lua shit-tastrophes libraries
 
@ThePhD through SWIG generated interfaces? (I don't know)
@ThePhD what libraries?
 
3:59 AM
"The Brainwasher" album version sounds so dorky compared to the live version.
 
@edition slb3, lua-api-pp, luacppinterface, sol2, kaguya, luawrapper, swig, lua-intf, luabind, selene, oolua...
Well, 11 now. I removed one because it was too small to be considered anything but a stupid toy.
Oh. 12 because I guess I should count "plain C" as an API.
Whatever the fuck that means.
 
@ThePhD something to do with calling conventions, I think
 
:v
 
There seems to be a very strong anti april fool's sentiment this year.
As if everyone got tired of it on the same year.
 
user406009
@StackedCrooked did you hear about the Gmail fiasco?
 
4:08 AM
yep
 
user406009
Maybe its just because it's on a Friday this year?
 
user406009
Everyone just wants to get shit done and go home.
 
4:55 AM
The Netflix culture thing makes a lot of sense.
 
@StackedCrooked 'we fire you if you're not a rockstar' makes a lot of sense?
 
5:47 AM
Fixing compiler errors in shitty lua frameworks.
My life.
 
6:02 AM
> ========== Build: 4 succeeded, 0 failed, 13 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally.
 
 
2 hours later…
Ven
8:01 AM
Heyo
 
@ThePhD Do a full rebuild :)
Aug 29 '12 at 9:50, by sehe
Yes. "0 errors, 0 warnings" should be phrased:
"The compiler was unable to detect any of your errors"
@StackedCrooked you really mass consume community presentations
 
8:26 AM
@StackedCrooked it's the SJW's!
Hmmm :( Nobody home
 
Ven
:(
 
... @twitteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!! WHY did map control-arrow so it destroys my draft tweet!? Hate when people proof-read? 10th time now
 
8:57 AM
Hmm... Maybe the memory upgrade on my AMD box isn't as stable as I thought.
At least not by manually forcing the XMP settings that it couldn't read.
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
Hi
 
Hey
 
user1804599
I am going to write a parser today.
 
user1804599
It will be good.
 
But will it be complete? :o
 
user1804599
No. XD
 
9:18 AM
@Zoidberg "Parsers: Opium voor het volk!"
 
This makes me feeling much better - completing software and dump them on the market is much better than not completing them in the first place ... even though lacking of maintenance will still suck a little ...
 
Ven
@Morwenn hey <3
 
@Ven Morning :)
 
Ven
@Zoidberg how rightfold of you
 
@Telkitty Some people are only interested in drafting and developing stuff, not in completing or releasing them :p
 
Ven
9:23 AM
@Telkitty is that what you did with your apps?
 
yes
completing stuff and dump 'em on the market boost your ego :p
and I am not just talking about apps >_<
 
Ven
that's an interesting way to see it
but if people shittalk your app because you didn't complete it, aren't you going to feel bad?
 
@Telkitty To make you feel better: If nobody uses it, even lack-of-maintenance amounts to 100% perfect support.
 
Ven
the good old tree in the empty forest :)
 
I asked a store to inscribe 💯 on a cake and they ended up putting 💯 on it. They really put the mojibake into emojibakery
/cc @Mysticial @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
9:32 AM
executables created with C# are dependet on .NET being installed on windows?
 
yes. But there's portable "Core" these days
 
@sehe I never had an app that no one used
 
@sehe thanks
 
@Telkitty My condolences, then
 
maybe just came, tested it & dumped in the bin ... still ... touched it
or in the case of new tiny house - moved in and behind in rent 50% of the times
one kind of problem or another, lesser problem or major problem
when other people see assets, I see problems
 
9:36 AM
hey @Telkitty
 
hey edition
speaking of which, google API sent me a couple of emails, asking me to change stuff
probably need to do that sometime soon
 
Has anyone played with Travis exclusion mechanism? Some things seem strange to me.
 
@sehe Oh god... It can't be a good thing that I got it immediately.
 
Ven
I can't be a good thing that I thought "this is a valid program in Jelly" (codegolf programming language)
 
9:58 AM
@Mysticial Who doesn't :) Anyone lounger should understand. I suspect even the Kitty does
@Telkitty When people see wealth, I suspect spoiled brats
@Ven Does codegolf stipulate unicode encodings and canonicalization to arrive at fair comparisons?
 
Love the user-script to view the wiki
 
Ven
@sehe code length is mesured in bytes. otherwise, golfing languages would just map everything and anything to every single possible unicode char and always have 1-char solution.
 
Precisely
 
Ven
be sure they're fully aware of that :P
well, I barely have 400rep on codegolf anyway
 
10:03 AM
That moment in your academic career when you realize that all your colleagues wrangled couches in their offices.
 
Ven
@sehe wrangled couches?
 
Yeah. It took me 17s to parse it into meaningful form
Too True.
 
Ven
very wrong imho
it's just that most articles you read are so meaningless to you/your life that it'd be a waste of time to research it anyways
 
I am question banned on meta on April fools day
very sad ...
still evaluating the possibility of that being a joke
it's Apr 2nd & I am still question banned
 
user1804599
(gdb) print &*lexer.begin
$3 = 0x64326e "(fn x { fn y { x } }) true false)\n", ' ' <repeats 12 times>, "}\n        "
 
user1804599
10:11 AM
GDB is so cool.
 
nwp
april 1st lasts 48 hours in internet land
 
Ven
@Zoidberg why &*?
 
user1804599
Because lexer.begin a non-pointer iterator.
 
user1804599
And I want a char const*.
 
user1804599
10:22 AM
@sehe I do this all the time when the news articles come from mainstream media.
 
user1804599
Esp. if govt-funded.
 
omg, just realized that if you stretch & straighten the 'c' a little, 'stack' becomes 'stalk'
stalkoverflow
omg omg omg
 
Ven
@Zoidberg back to github?
 
user1804599
Yeah Bitbucket sucks.
 
@Ven You mean doctors aren't full of hate against random Internet people who help with your diet?
 
Ven
10:31 AM
that they are!
 
Is stackless Python off-topic on stackoverflow?
(disclaimer: I don't know what stackless Python is)
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
Stackless Python is a Python implementation that uses a normal array instead of the C call stack for the Python call stack.
 
user1804599
This allows for green threads.
 
user1804599
If you need Python and you need concurrency, you better use Stackless.
 
user1804599
10:36 AM
Python is already painful enough by itself. No need to make it even more painful by using async I/O.
 
What languages are on your to-check-out list?
 
user1804599
Ada, Fortran, Julia, Mercury, Racket.
 
Why Fortran?
Just because it was the first compiled language?
 
Ven
shit n giggles
ask her why she learned cobol vOv
 
user1804599
Because it might come in handy some day.
 
10:39 AM
By that logic, you must learn pretty much any language :)
 
user1804599
It has revolutionary stuff C doesn't have, such as arrays that remember their lengths when you pass them around.
 
Ven
@fredoverflow exactly :P
 
mornin'
 
I declare today, April 2nd, as Barpil Foo's day.
 
okay
 
10:41 AM
I'm afraid you're gonna have to live with it!
 
@jaggedSpire Hey <3
 
user1804599
Maybe it is time to work on garbage collector. :P:P:P
 
user1804599
Currently it doesn't collect.
 
@Zoidberg Yesterday I started Clopad, and I have already lost interest completely. What do? Abandon project?
 
@Morwenn <3
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
@fredoverflow Yes, abandon it.
 
user1804599
Work on Feldspar.
 
@Zoidberg consider it done
 
user1804599
Mah man.
 
user1804599
let do = fn x { fn y { y } }
 in do (print "Hello, ") (print " world!")
 
10:46 AM
It just prints world?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
Strict evaluation. :)
 
ah
What about more than 2?
 
user1804599
let do = fn x { fn y { y } }
 in do (print "Hello, ") (do (print " cruel") (print " world!"))
 
do do? Reminds me of an exctinct species.
 
user1804599
10:48 AM
{ print "Hello, "; print " cruel"; print " world!" } also works like in Scala :p
 
11:00 AM
roslyn is pretty amazing
code is self healing
 
@JohanLarsson What do you mean? Community fixes?
 
I'll try to describe it, hold on.
 
Wait, if they expected Roslyn to turn out so well, why didn't they name it... Roswell?
 
@fredoverflow wut
 
moved out the nested class via cut paste, roslyn healed it on paste, was never a compiler error
 
11:07 AM
Was the name problematic?
 
how do you mean?
 
Helpers was renamed to Try.
Why?
 
oh, I renamed after paste, sry, dumbed the sample
 
I still don't get it. How would it have been broken without Roslyn healing powers?
 
compiled the whole time
@fredoverflow hmm, maybe nothing
I feel tired now :D
 
11:10 AM
You're tired!
 
I forgot what happened when writing the sample
It healed the code, I saw it :)
 
I'm sure you did ;)
 
Sometimes the healing can be annoying though, not gonna write a sample
 
make a video
Incredible Roslyn Miracle Cure!
 
maybe later, must overarchitect code
 
11:38 AM
Apparently, trying to use clang++ with libc++ on Linux seems a bit hard. I guess I will do that another time.
 
@fredoverflow yay
 
@Morwenn Using or installing
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Trying to make the whole thing work on Travis container-based infrastructure.
 
Also I don't want to check whether it works on OSX yet. It's too bothersome ._.
 
Ven
11:52 AM
-1
Q: JAVA code to calculate marks of lowest ID student

Aniket KMarks of Lowest ID Student: The input is being read in from a file called input.txt, in this format: 22|Data Structures|45 23|English|52 22|English|51 26|Data Structures|72 23|Data Structures|61 21|English|81 Each line consists of three fields "Student ID," "Subject," and "Marks." "Stud...

even PPCG is suffering
 
12:15 PM
 
12:35 PM
@JohanLarsson 10/10 reading comprehension
 
he is in get things done mode
 
Kek
 
@JohanLarsson s/done/done by others/
 
user1804599
12:52 PM
 
user1804599
This is great.
 
Yes
You're so behind on new features
 

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