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5:03 PM
I wanted to do something during the weekend, but the weather is aweful ç___ç
 
would it sap the fun out of things to bundle up so you're warm/dry anyhow?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are a bit annoying, but I'm not sure if Haskell could be easily parseable without them
 
@jaggedSpire Not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
 
@milleniumbug I don't see anything wrong in doing away with them in import lists.
They are extremely annoying there.
 
@Morwenn would the things you were planning on doing this weekend be ruined by wearing clothing appropriate for the bad weather?
 
5:09 PM
@jaggedSpire There's no such thing as clothes appropriate for bad weather. At least not where I live.
 
awh
wait what the hell kind of bad weather are you getting?
 
It's a thin an insidious kind of rain that just follows the wind and gets you wet whatever you wear.
 
oh gross
 
Unless you're wearing really warm clothes, in which case you start to transpire, so you get wet anyway, and you smell aweful.
 
that is definitely a burrito and warm drink kind of day
 
5:12 PM
@JohanLarsson I wasn't gonna, but since it actually convinced the other party(!), I transcribed the exchange here gist.github.com/rmartinho/2b407cb56ba737dfd0f1
 
SOW I'm going back to bed now
4 1/2 hours isn't enough
 
And it can last for days, even weeks sometimes.
 
eeeeurgh
 
I mean, we've even got a specific name for that kind of rain here.
 
drizzle?
 
5:13 PM
It's the dreaded but awefully common crachin.
It's like drizzle but even thinner.
 
ah
I wonder what the etymology of drizzle is anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never thought about rêve like that
 
German through Old English with a relation to dreary apparently
 
@LucDanton Like what? (I actually haven't looked at that map; the one I commented on was for "beach")
 
@Morwenn ewwww
I'm sorry you have weather like that :(
 
5:15 PM
I don't even understand all the colours and divisions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it kinda sticks out amongst the Romance languages, makes me wonder what happened to songe
 
@jaggedSpire It's kind of specific to Brest, which is one of the main reasons nobody wants to come here.
 
Like why in hell is Basque red like French.
 
@Morwenn huh
 
@LucDanton Oh, that. Hmm. Yeah.
 
5:17 PM
Also « dream » is « hunvre » in breton if I'm not mistaken.
 
In the West, French is certainly the one with the most divergent etymology.
@Morwenn But Breton is Celtic.
 
Also the adjective « oneiric » or « onirique » reveals Greek roots.
 
(Don't put much trust in that map, btw. I have seen a bunch of the likes with several dubious choices).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can’t decide between a bad colouring algorithm and poor design choices
 
@Morwenn Cursory googling puts it as derived from "hun" (sleep) and "bre" (grave?), both Breton words.
I don't think "hun" comes from Greek (sleep is "hypnos")
 
5:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I meant that the adjective « oneiric » (English) or « onirique » (French) have Greek roots.
 
Oh, I see.
@LucDanton I can't find a source for these maps, but I've seen several that seem to come from one same generator and share similar mistakes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not sure they speak much sapmi in the grey parts, I think it is only the old people who know it. The kids get taught it in school but not sure they use it much.
 
@JohanLarsson The grey part in the North matches the extent of Finnish-Sami bilinguals.
Note that it being a large area doesn't mean much since it's sparsely populated.
I did get the Russian definitely wrong.
The grey part I saw is in Russia, not Finland :D
 
I'd say one language that exists on the border finland sweden is missing mienkeli, not sure how it is spelled
It is pretty common on the swedish side but has the same problem as sapmi, only old people speak it
 
@JohanLarsson Never heard of that, and apparently it isn't officially recognised as a minority language.
 
5:34 PM
sounds strange, let me hunt for a source
 
Sami is, though.
 
Meänkieli (meän kieli särskrivet betyder vårt språk) är ett finsk-ugriskt språk. Det är sedan år 2000 ett inhemskt officiellt minoritetsspråk i Sverige. Meänkieli består av tre huvuddialekter: Tornedalsfinska (torniolaaksonsuomi) i Pajala, Övertorneå och Haparanda kommuner. Gällivarefinska (jellivaaransuomi) i Gällivare kommun I Kiruna kommun används fyra benämningar: jukkasjärvifinska (jukkasjärvensuomi), vittangifinska (vittankinsuomi), lannankieli eller rätt och slätt finska (suomi). Språksociologiska faktorer, ett eget skriftspråk samt en växande medvetenhet om meänkieli som identitets- och...
 
Oh, it's only recognised by Sweden.
 
> official minority language since 2000
 
> In Finland, Meänkieli is generally seen as a dialect of Northern Finnish.
There's your explanation.
 
5:38 PM
ok I think sami is pretty similar to finnish also
 
Maybe not as much, I guess.
 
appveyor is insanely slow fetching packages for some reason
I don't feel like enabling caching
 
6:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, I've read what characters are allowed for custom operators, and comma isn't on the list - so now I don't understand why do the parens exist at all.
 
heh /cc @Morwenn
 
6:20 PM
@milleniumbug historical/traditional, operators in infix position are 'special' syntax
doesn’t work as well now that you can explicitly qualify them though
 
lol a Control.Applicative.(<*>) b
 
user1804599
> To finish the updates, you have to restart your computer.
 
user1804599
Apple pls
 
sbi
Just dropping this here.
7
Good evening.
 
sbi
6:35 PM
@Zoidberg Dude, this is all furrin to me!
> When she tries to buy a plane ticket, she gets an error message on most websites. She has to call the airline company by phone to book a ticket. “I’ve been asked why I’m calling and when I try to explain the situation, I’ve been told, ‘there’s no way that’s true’,” Mrs Null says. – gizmodo.com/…
Well, I would hope that even in JavaScript, NULL is not true. But then, with JS you never really know.
 
@Borgleader As always you're too late, I already read it, mouahahahahah :D
 
6:51 PM
:(
 
user1804599
lol I typed "rm" instead of "mv"
 
user1804599
but it was a directory :D
 
@sbi Yeah, the whole thing smacks of improper crappy dynamic typing
 
user406009
@sbi A True JS developer always carries this around: dorey.github.io/JavaScript-Equality-Table
 
user406009
7:00 PM
It's a mess.
 
sbi
Look, @puppy, I got a pic of you in the wind.
 
@Lalaland Did they generate it with a game of life?
 
user406009
@Morwenn The funniest part is that it doesn't even try to be transitive.
 
sbi
@Lalaland At least it's symmetric!
 
7:23 PM
Hello!
 
@Morwenn almost a very nice picture
Maybe it is. Actually. Something doesn't add up but perhaps if you "fix" some of the composition, the weird appeal of the tiny stone hills would go away
 
Could someone help me with github? I've been trying to push but the GUI is unable to, when I tried to do git status in the bash I got no errors. So when I tried to do git push in the bash it told me: "unable to access 'https://github.com/SudoEngine/SudoEngine.git/': Failed to connect to github.com port 443: Bad access"
I assumed it was firewall so I turned it off temporarily, but that didn't change a thing
 
@MarfGamer remove trailing slash? Also, do you have push privileges?
 
@MarfGamer Well hello there.
 
@sehe Yes, I am the owner of the organization. I'll try removing the trailing slash
@ReousaAsteron Hello, have we talked before? :)
 
7:35 PM
Hello beer my old friend, I've come to drink you again.
2
 
@MarfGamer Not really :p. First time I see you here o-o
 
@sehe I think there could be a little more ground left for the trees.
 
@Morwenn Been a long time, good friend.
 
Well, my name is Trent. I normally code in Java and Python, I normally only come to the C++ room if the problem is a universal coding problem or if I just want to talk
 
@MarfGamer That's the whole point. It's not exactly a good introduction to barge in with questions. Nice to meet you too
@MarfGamer :)
 
7:37 PM
@MarfGamer Is your sister Jane?
 
Jane Gamer? She's famous
 
@Morwenn I don't have a sister, I have a little brother though. His name is Lawton.
 
Too bad :(
 
@MarfGamer why aren't you using the github app
 
@ReousaAsteron I was but it failed to push so I had to use git bash to debug, but there were no errors given to me when I did "git status"
 
7:39 PM
@meetingcpp This makes me sad. So many people willingly forgoing consistency. As if the language needs more inconsistencies
Please help with the voting!
 
@MarfGamer Have you changed anything on the github.com web interface?
 
Not sure what you mean by web interface
 
yep, he turned himself into a vampire
 
@MarfGamer if you change something at once place and not the other, you can't push (sync on the app) anything
 
7:40 PM
> $ pom
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (90% of Full)
highly informative
 
@MarfGamer Your local files and the repository have to be synced
 
@ReousaAsteron Oh, you mean that interface. Where you can edit the code and just push immediately right?
 
@MarfGamer yeah
 
@sehe If only qualifiers had always been on the left size.
 
@ReousaAsteron I never use it, one time I was at school and I saw a typo in study hall so I logged in, fixed it, and logged out. That night I spent 4 hours trying to figure out why I couldn't push and sync from the github app.
 
@MarfGamer could be the problem. Hmm try to remove any changes from the local app (Temporarily remvoe the files if you have to), sync and then re-commit and try to push
All I could think of tbh .-.
Any recommendations on winsock cross-platform alternative?
Gonna make my tictactoe multiplayer :D
 
8:05 PM
Erm. Not safe for translation. But ... too funny to skip
 
Forbidden land.
 
(if/when the Chinese discover that the powdered testicles of IS warriors are increase potency, it's problem solved)
 
@sehe :(
 
I have decided, I'll start by learning BSD sockets
then move onto Boost.asio
 
8:07 PM
Famous last words.
2
 
Lol :D
 
@Columbo When do you plan to submit your proposal for alignof?
 
@Morwenn I'm gonna write to Vandevoorde again for some final feedback, if he doesn't suggest anything else I'll submit
 
Good. I don't need it right now, but I guess that it will matter when I start implementing sorting algorithms that might rely on SIMD :)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь i.imgur.com/ymgUuCx.png too late to edit
@Columbo lovely how "submit" is ambiguous there :)
 
8:10 PM
@sehe What else would it mean - knuckle under?
Hmm didn't know that yet
I feel how my backspace is slowly breaking
If only I had a mechanical keyboard :(
There's barely any laptops with mechanical keyboards, though
In fact, the only one has 18 inches, which feels a bit too large
 
user406009
8:32 PM
@Columbo Separate monitor + separate keyboard is your friend.
 
user406009
The ergonomics are so much better as well.
 
user406009
Your wrists and neck will thank you.
 
@Columbo that's what she said
 
@Lalaland I have a separate monitor in my Uni flat
It's fucking nice
 
> What type of runner can run full speed from the very start of the race? Thats right. Someone who runs very short distances. But as programmers, we are smarter than that. We just fire the starter pistol again every 100 yards and call it a sprint. — Rich Hickey
 
8:36 PM
@sehe Well, not if she was talking about me, for sure
Also, it's not quite clear what she would've meant with "only one", it's not like she usually expects two dicks
 
8:48 PM
> Interacting effects of grass height and herbivores on the establishment of an encroaching savanna shrub
Not sure how it relates to the paper I was looking for.
 
@Morwenn I smell markov chains :)
 
@sehe Apparently not.
 
It must be coming from one of the other tabs then
Honestly, some high-end academic writing (esp. in music, philosophy, or worse: combinations thereof) can be practically indistinguishable from that generated stuff
(I know, I was partly guilty of it myself; I was pushed to publish bit I didn't, because I knew deep inside it was... bullocks)
 
Who cares about music theory when you can generate tunes with musical one-liners?
 
Newsflash: most pop hits are musical oneliners.
If not flatliners
 
user1804599
9:03 PM
hi\
 
@Morwenn I'd have been sooo proud. I've made many noises like this in GWBASIC
@Zoidberg lo/
 
:D
 
Couldn't achieve any bass (or polyphony, obviously) on the piezzo
I'm surprised I don't see lot of sin/cos there
 
I'm surprised it even produces audible things.
 
@sehe that is perfect!
 
9:14 PM
hahahah that flag
 
Which one?
 
I didnt know @sehe worked at Aperture Science
 
x)
 
@Morwenn the one that said "i sure hope you know what a dick is by now"
kek'ed
 
Wow...
 
9:17 PM
@Borgleader I'm not a giraffe?
 
@sehe No, but if your parents are giraffes: i have news for you
 
:D That biwrd ain't no giraffe :)
 
And youre not a panda either, but the point still stands :P
 
9:38 PM
I somehow feel like I'm about to cry for no apparent reason. What the...
 
This happens to me. It tends to happen when I'm really tired. Stressful or emotional things accumulate (but don't cause that). And then, frequently when something beautiful happens, I get hit by it.
 
I can relate.
 
@sehetw @meetingcpp it makes me happy! I thought majority had bought into this argument these days. Back to the down to earth C heritage.
I'll step away from that subject. It's dynamite
 
wut
Jan 10 at 0:08, by Borgleader
I know int *x; and int const& are better, but ill always write int* x; and const int&. fuck it :P
:P
@jaggedSpire sup
 
@Borgleader I have arisen!
 
9:49 PM
@Borgleader How is int *x; better?
 
... :)
Pandora
 
@Morwenn Which of the two states more obviously what the code does: a) int *x, y; or int* x, y; ?
 
@Borgleader That specific case is shit-fuck dumb :o
 
Doesn't matter, the point is, the pointer part binds to whats on the right, not the actual type itself, it says this particular variable is a pointer to wtv type you specified earlier. I honestly dont know why it doesnt "bind" to the int part, i think that would make more sense but i cant ask Ritchie at this point.
 
like a monster I just put each on their own line with the per-variable modifiers that apply to it
 
9:54 PM
@jaggedSpire Dont get me wrong, I practically never declare variables together like this, but because this is possible the star on the right is better
 
I do declare them in a list so it's actually relevant for me. I dunno, I just like the ability to effectively say, "and here are all my Foo based variables I'll be using in this scope..."
it is rare to have more than one or two of any given type in a new scope outside of classes though
 
@Borgleader I just consider this case to be totally awful and just put the type on the full left. Always.
 
@Borgleader No, you're wrong.
the star on the left is better because it makes it easier to see that people who declare variables in a list need to be slapped until they stop doing that
 
awh
 
@jaggedSpire /slap
 
9:59 PM
awh
 
I've seen something totally horrible a few days ago in production code.
 
was it someone declaring variables in a list?
 
if (blahblahblahWhatever)
frobnicate(); burfnoflate();
I still don't know whether it's a bug or whether it's just poorly formated.
 
could be fucked up formatting due to a merge
 
yeah I might have said merge conflict
 
10:34 PM
> type-id cannot have a name
First time I see this error
 
Derp. After inventing roughly 40 lines of missing code I find you are using a magical thing make_name_writer that nobody knows about. Hysterically, this might have something to do with the question. Care to make a proper question? — sehe 5 secs ago
Fuck that
 
Metalocalypse is fucking brutal.
 
@Columbo Don't do template template args (guessing)
@Morwenn it's a poorly formatted bug
 
@sehe Excellent guess, they were indeed involved
 
How do people end up with merged lines?
 
10:44 PM
It was a missing >
 
It doesn't make any sense. I've not seen any merge tool /ever/ combine lines into a single line.
 
@Morwenn Have you talked to your physician about that? You also might need some counseling as this condition is likely to affect your intimite relations.
 
It's because of using namespace std;, I swear.
 
Dose poeticisms too.
Soo mannierism
@Morwenn They love Beethoven more than I do
As many symphonic rock groups do, apparently
 
10:53 PM
Not sure, I hardly ever listen to the lyrics.
 
There is a bunch of these for each group
 
Warning: may induce involuntary cry showers in the emotionally susceptible (@Morwenn)
 
lulz
 
I was really looking forward to being able to moan "Kids these days...". Seems I'll be moaning "Governments these days..." instead #progress
Wow. youtube.com/watch?v=ncRGoqNUb1w#t=191.220544 I'll stop youtubing now. It will take my whole day
 
11:19 PM
tbh I just want to know where that hitler clip came from
 
11:40 PM
There is a proposal to add closures to C2X.
 
what is C2X
 
The future C norm, for 2020 something.
 
Is that some kind of chemical dating procédé
@Morwenn hehe
 
Its when youre a player and you C 2 Xs at the same time
 
It's a dated procédé alright
@Borgleader check youre spelling m8
 
11:41 PM
Basically they propose to standardize Apple's closures.
 
@sehe nobody got time fo '
 
Are they stateful? That'd basically make C2X an OO language
@Borgleader I do
 
@sehe Not sure.
Here is the proposal if you haven't anything better to do: open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2030.pdf
 
I will have nothing better to do once C8X becomes better than C++
 
C does not allow void foo(int...) while C++ does, so C is arguably better than C++ :D
There was a proposal to remove that behaviour from C++ but it was rejected during the Jacksonville meeting.
 
11:47 PM
@Morwenn lol what
What incentive is there to break code here
 
@Columbo The goal was for some potential future extensions to allow void foo(int...) to design a function that would accept a number of int values.
 
@Morwenn I think there is much better syntax for that.
 
On the other hand, why did they allow void foo(int...) to be the same thing as void foo(int, ...) int the first place while it isn't even legal in C?
 
I have no idea.
 
To me the most important point is that the syntax void foo(int...) sucks balls.
I mean, for the purpose it currently serves.
 
11:50 PM
... then don't use it? No one uses int (x); either, and it's allowed
 
That's the problem: too many dumb things are allowed for no reason ever :o
 
@Morwenn No, in the latter case there was no reason to disallow it.
 
Of course I don't use it, but it shouldn't even have been legal to start with.
 
@Morwenn True in this case. I really do wonder why it was introduced...
Sorry, I meant introduced, ...
 
@Columbo Disallowing things is the easiest path to allow future extensions to the language.
The do that extensively nowadays instead of allowing things because why not.
 
user406009
11:53 PM
@Morwenn They clearly just need to add a new line to the next standard. "17.1.1 No dumb things are allowed."
 
user406009
The easiest proposal every.
 
user406009
I eagerly await your submission to the next mailing.
 
@Morwenn That rule has existed ever since; see the first WD.
Weird.
 
@sehe lol, I wonder how much can be attributed to the camera effect and how much is actual cluelessness.
 
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