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12:15 AM
oh god what happened with meta
 
As night sets in on November 14, wander outside and gawk at the sky.
If the weather is clear, the moon will be at its biggest and brightest in nearly 70 years, and it won't put on a similar display until late 2034, astronomers say.
 
oh, November 14?
well, if I'm not busy trying to survive my first week in an apocalyptic hellscape I'll see what I can do to spot it
 
if it's not cloudy, it would be pretty obvious in the night sky
 
the odds of that are fairly low of course
I'd probably die the first day :V
 
What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger
will be the tougher you against the super moon :p
 
12:29 AM
@Telkitty Like SM, right
 
@Telkitty That sounds like the perfect time to get my camera and tripod out
 
@Telkitty I still don't think I'd win a fight with it
 
@набиячлэвэли SM? Super machine? Spider-Man? Super Model?
@Aaron3468 what kind of camera do you have?
 
@Telkitty Sclerosis Multiplex you uneducated fuck
 
@jaggedSpire statistically speaking, you have been doing well in the past :p
 
12:35 AM
@Telkitty nah, I've only lain low and survived
related: fuck English
 
Wait, "lain"?
That's the first time I've seen that, I think
 
I should've used laid, I think
 
@Telkitty Because I worked in a camera store and didn't want to be a wannabe professional, I purchased a Nikon D3200.
 
HAHAHAH HES BACK https://t.co/pMKxfTvSAh
11/10
 
to lay has really messed up conjugations
 
12:37 AM
yeah
 
Some dialects of English use lain. It's common in spoken language here, but not in written
 
@Aaron3468 here = ???
 
lovely, it looks like either one would probably have been fine in that context
 
@набиячлэвэли Britain's moonbase
 
12:38 AM
@jaggedSpire lol, almost! Alberta, Canada.
 
So best country, ok
 
you didn't think they were just going to brexit a continent did you?
oh no
Britain doesn't do anything regarding landmasses by halves
> Do I have to make my own wedgie board or do I have to buy one from a witch or vegan?
my sides
 
@jaggedSpire It's by far my favorite.
 
@Borgleader same
 
12:43 AM
@jaggedSpire That being said, are you a witch and or vegan? :P
 
@Borgleader My guess: yes, no
 
@Borgleader no, I'm only a vegetarian, so you can only purchase the left half of a wedgie board from me
@набиячлэвэли i put a spell on u
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
 
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3:34 AM
@Mikhail what's the worst cosin?
 
That is not a joke I can cosine
 
 
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5:07 AM
 
5:22 AM
d'aww
 
@jaggedSpire Ooo
 
Sam
5:56 AM
Hello Lounge!!
@Telkitty Cute!
 
Sam
@Telkitty wrong :p
 
6:20 AM
@Aaron3468 nothing can be discussed without noise
Fucking tinnitus
Warning: I might have slept badly
 
Sam
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know how that feels bro... It's annoying as shit...
 
7:03 AM
 
7:29 AM
@Mikhail that seems a hyperbolic inversion
@набиячлэвэли Speak for yourself. Saying "Stop it" seems a bit out of whack :)
 
Hey
 
@ThePhD er, welcome to help chats.
 
@AlexM. Precisely. This might be the key difference with "questions in the lounge". We're not promoting the use of c++. We're not somehow bound to avoid people getting annoyed learning to program. (If so, that would be work and we could do it elsewhere, like on SO) /cc @Lalaland
 
@Rapptz hey will you teach me python
 
7:44 AM
@LucDanton I unironically get asked that quite a bit heh
 
Ironically I also get unironically asked
 
> Why does the 1000 BC date correspond to an oddball number like Turn 76? Apparently someone at Firaxis forgot that the starting turn in the Civilization games is supposed to be Turn 0, not Turn 1, and as a result all of the major turn numbers are no longer in sync with the round number dates.
@R.MartinhoFernandes literally unplayable
 
"all of the major turn numbers"
WTF does that even mean.
It's like complaining that the French Revolution ended in 1799 and not 1800.
 
e.g. turn 75 being 1000BC presumably
I pay attention to the turn number but almost never to the date so can’t help you more than that
turn 100 is usually the time where you take a step back and consider if the game is worth playing, sometimes you can tell you can’t win from then on
 
8:35 AM
> J’ai quitté un pays communiste, la France, pour venir dans un pays libéral, la Chine
 
8:49 AM
> Gold in this game is pretty easy to get if you work out a few things.
wait for it…
> I have 48 spreadsheets to track various things with 15 of those spreadsheets that actually see heavy usage.
cc @GundolfGundelfinger
 
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Q: C++, how to return base class and then convert it into derived?

Karashevich B.So, I've got a function that should return an object of unknown type, say, C or B. I've decided that adding a common base class A and returning it is a good solution. I've added int type field into A so we can differ B objects from C objects. For example, function itself looks like this: A f(int...

 
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lool integer discriminator
 
9:05 AM
@LucDanton Wow, I didn't realize we were filthy commies
 
un camp t’attend pour te rééduquer
 
We're currently facing some design issues at work
We're handling market data and build objects using these data (and potentially other objects). This results in a dependency tree
It's possible to update any piece of data in that tree
And of course, we need to update all the stuff that depends on it
There's a lazy update mechanism that actually does the update only when an impacted data is retrieved
The problem we're facing is the following: I get an object, everything updates if needed and I'm happy. Now I keep my object (a raw - eeeew - pointer to some stuff)
If an update is triggered on my object due to another get operation somewhere else, I'm fucked
Solution 1: use shared_ptr. A problem remains: now my pointer is still ok but the data is outdated
 
you need double indirection for that sort of stuff
it’s either that or GC-style rewriting of existing pointers
 
you mean working on handles instead of pointers?
 
(the live graph + a compacting GC works out a lot like your situation)
@Rerito handles to handles instead of handles
 
9:15 AM
> it’s either that or GC-style rewriting of existing pointers

By that, you mean manually destroying the pointee and making a placement new after?
 
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Q: My girlfriend has mentioned disowning her 14 y/o transgender daughter

CharlieMy girlfriend's 14 year old daughter came out to me as a girl on a bike ride when her mother wasn't there. I fully accept her and gladly refer to her by her chosen name ('Emily' for the purposes of this question) and pronouns. Emily told me she hadn't told her mother yet and she felt more comfort...

 
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IRTA "drowning"
 
@Rerito an observer setup is an alternative to double indirection—whenever the graph is updated, each live observer to parts of the graph that were modified is itself updated to refer to the correct data
 
Yeah, I guess I should make a subscription mechanism whenever a data is retrieved so that I can update the handles when I update stuff
 
@rightfold Well... At 14 years I would not consent to any hormonal treatment. Let him dress up but no hormones.
 
nwp
9:21 AM
@Rerito How about keeping a weak_ptr where you can check if it is still valid?
 
@nwp That's the first step
The graph will hold shared_ptr and the observers will work on weak_ptrs
I've briefed a colleague about that and he's currently making the relevant changes
 
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@wilx such treatment is potentially dangerous at 14 years old
 
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Q: How do you raise an intelligent and happy daughter in a sexist world?

AnnaI don't have enough space to explain my reasoning. I just don't want my daughter to be influenced by the media or the general opinions of "society". My daughter is a baby in my womb. I've decided no TV ever, no movies, no pop music, no magazines, all books given to her will be read and approved ...

 
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Oh yeah I remember this shitstorm, it's gold lol
 
@rightfold After reading just two paragraphs of OP, it seems the mother is a Nazi preparing a concentration camp for her daughter.
 
9:33 AM
Instead of shield her of everything(TV, magazine etc), I think it's better to show her everything
 
nwp
I thought I'd check docs.se for a better example for writing a clang tool. There is 1 person who proposed as a docs topic, that's it. So disappointing.
 
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haha docs.se
 
the more you know about the world (especially 1st person experience about various cultures), the less you care about stupid things
 
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RIP
 
be the docs you want the world to be
 
nwp
9:34 AM
And the problem is, once I figure it out and am ready to write that example for others to follow I cannot, because I would have to propose the topic and it takes ages, so information is lost.
 
@nwp you could save the writeup somewhere until the topic is approved
 
nwp
Since is so much bigger than and gets almost completely neglected I have little hope it will ever be approved.
 
9:49 AM
We're about to start a new project with React.js + Redux at work.
 
nwp
my condolences
 
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@Morwenn haha RIP
 
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10:05 AM
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Q: My manager said I spend too much time on Stack Exchange, how can I prove its value?

WalleI was recently speaking with my manager, who stated that while my work is satisfactory, they've been noticing I'm spending a lot of time of Stack Exchange. I find Stack Exchange to be very informative and helpful in my work. Particularly considering this Stack Exchange has many users who spend ...

 
> I don't have enough space to explain my reasoning
Hahahaha. That's one way of wording "my thoughts are mush like polyurethane foam"
@Telkitty Don't tell me we actually agree on something.
I feel dirty now
 
Xeo
@sehe There's not enough space in this column...
 
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@sehe It should be migrated to world building.
 
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I found the key to not being annoyed when switching between Emacs and Vim: use both extensively.
 
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The same way I can easily tell Haskell and PureScript apart, or Java and C#.
 
10:23 AM
Java and C# is easy
functions start with uppercase in C#
 
10:34 AM
@sehe statistically speaking, the probability of us disagreeing on everything is very small ...
 
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C# and Java are super distinct to people who only know C# and Java, but very similar to people who know more than C# and Java.
 
What is a good strategy for versioning settings files?
I'm thinking adding an int property Version
 
user1804599
Force version number at very top of file.
 
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Don't accept files that lack it.
 
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10:44 AM
The other option would be to assume the latest version when no explicit version number is present, but that will just annoy people who lack discipline (i.e. everyone).
 
I'll use a const CurrentVersion and validate vs it
 
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Make a constant dictionary from version numbers to config file parsers.
 
no idea what that means
 
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IDictionary<Version, Func<string, Either<ParseError, Config>>>
 
so a migration strategy?
 
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10:52 AM
Just so you know for each version how to parse a file with that version
 
The guy who planned the new Berlin airport thinks it will never open.
The PR chief said the project was a "shitshow" and got fired.
 
nwp
Didn't you hear? They want to tear down Berlin and rebuild it next to a working airport to save money.
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And now they want to build a maglev rail to the airport. The one that doesn't exist yet. Five years after schedule.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
11:10 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes gotta go fast
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is this some sort of german parody project?
or satire?
 
nwp
reality tv
 
Oh, and this is the city that was bankrupt just last decade.
And has the worst crime rate of all the states. And worst issues with unemployment and homelessness and education.
 
the maglev will go too fast to be vandalised
 
When I put it like this, I almost wonder how this is any different from Portugal.
 
11:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's different in having a much greater land area. Oh, and much smaller percentage of beaches.
 
@JerryCoffin Berlin?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Germany.
 
nwp
Also Berlin got the capital bonus. I mean bonus money for being the capital city.
 
True about the beaches.
@JerryCoffin Ah, but the rest of Germany is starkly different in these aspects (well, except the eastern states).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay. Looking strictly at Berlin, it's different in having a much smaller land area. And even more deficient in beaches.
 
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lol non-binding referenda
 
lol direct democracy
lol democracy
 
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democracy master race
 
@Griwes Direct democracy is great--for groups of 3, and possibly as many as 5 people. By 7, it generally starts to fall apart (and, of course, it only really works for odd numbers).
 
Direct democracy is great--for groups of 1
unless that 1 has split personalities
 
11:47 AM
It seems to me it is a win of/for democracy if the MPs have to agree too. They have been elected to represent the will of the people after all.
 
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> Forbes Publishes Top 500 Poorest People
 
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> Millions of women in Europe use the Adobe update daily as a reminder to swallow the pill.
 
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In an article on why it's important not to "take Adobe updates for granted".
 
12:29 PM
@Telkitty I could still hang on to the dream
@rightfold const referenda
 
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Oh C# scoping is weird
 
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The members of a class definition are in scope in attributes of the class.
 
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For example: [A(nameof(M))] class C { T M() { } }.
 
Which is awesome in C# 5+
 
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Rust attribute syntax is funny.
 
12:33 PM
Your mom is funny (just filling in for Puppy here)
 
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There is different syntax for "apply attribute to following definition" and "apply attribute to enclosing definition" and you are free to choose which one you want.
 
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Same for documentation comments, which are a language feature.
 
nwp
12:53 PM
I like this video on brexit. It predicts a high chance that nothing will happen.
 
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Brexit is great.
 
Waiting for trump 2 get elected - making Aussie dollar great again (against green back/US dollar)
 
1:15 PM
// Have to use different order to existing constructor because Java's generics are stupid
I'm having a good day ¬_¬
 
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@thecoshman wtf does that even mean
 
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"different order to existing constructor"
 
@thecoshman an argument to use a builder object maybe?
 
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To understand why Java generics are so nice you should spend less time with C# and more with Haskell.
 
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It's parametricity in your face.
 
1:32 PM
yeeaahhhhh
government lost Article 50 fight
 
@sehe agreed, in my defense I was unaware of the questions only room until after I told the guy to ask :P
 
I thought the hacktoberfest stickers only included that, hacktoberfest stickers
but I'll also be getting Intel and GitHub stickers among others
noice
 
@Puppy Democracy working!
@wilx I agree but I would s/will/best interest/.
 
well
I gotta admit that it does amuse me
Leave guys want more British sovereignty, British sovereignty blocks them
8
 
1:46 PM
@Puppy hehe
> And UKIP leader Nigel Farage said he feared a "betrayal" of the 51.9% of voters who backed leaving the EU in June's referendum and voiced concern at the prospect of a "half Brexit".
 
lol
 
Maybe he'd be happy with a "half+1.9% Brexit".
 
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This code says "faecal" but I keep reading "facial".
 
personally I think we have a much better chance of beating Brexit when it's judges and ministers
go go undemocracy
 
@rightfold "of parameters"
 
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1:51 PM
@thecoshman How do generics affect the parameter order?
 
@Puppy not as such, just got told that they can't just go ahead with it
 
well, they lost, it just wasn't as big a loss as I'd like
 
I am more concerned with the U.S. election ... could trigger a shuffle of cards in world power hierarchy
 
would be better if they had declared that Article 50 is flat out unconstitutional and we can't ever invoke it
 
Obama nungara is a species of land planarian in the family Geoplaninae. It is native from South America, but has been introduced in Europe. == Description == Obama nungara is a medium-sized land planarian with a lanceolate body, being up to 70 millimetres (2.8 in) long. The background color of the dorsum varies from golden yellow to honey yellow and is covered by dark-brown to black spots and flecks aggregated in short and irregular longitudinal streaks, giving it a light to dark-brown marbled appearance. A fine line devoid of brown pigmentation usually runs lingitudinally along the middle of...
TIL
 
1:52 PM
Is there a name for a reverse "poisoning the well" kinda thing?
 
@rightfold foo(list<String>, String) and foo(List<Integer>, String) have same signature
 
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Yes, don't use overloading.
 
Where, instead of defining an opposing stance as inherently bad you define yours as inherently good.
 
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Overloading is literally AIDS.
 
Like when people throw around works like "democratic" and "undemocratic" as stand-ins for "good" and "bad".
 
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1:53 PM
Whether generics are erased or not, you should avoid overloading.
 
@Puppy (Not saying you're doing that here; this was just what made me think of this)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was thinking about this, if N want one option, but N+M want another option, don't the N that are happy with the option cancel out the N that are unhappy with the option... so it's only ever 2M that are really matter?
 
@thecoshman I dunno. I personally think that institutionalising the bandwagon fallacy is wrong to start with, and find arguing the fine points of that institutionalisation difficult.
There are matters that make some sense being delegated to popular opinion, but IME most referendums fail in that regard.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm absolutely in favour of undemocracy in this case ;p
 
Wanna pick a new flag? Popular opinion ahoy.
Wanna pick a better economic direction? Fuck popular opinion.
 
1:57 PM
ICBW, but I thought this was only an opinion poll, it had no legal power?
obviously the results couldn't be ignored
 
technically yes
but nobody told the voters that beforehand ;p
 
@Puppy Quite the contrary.
 
well... it was marketed as a referendum... so how can it be both?
 
Both what?
 
both a referendum and opinion poll... doesn't one imply legally binding and the other not legally binding at all?
 
1:59 PM
A referendum is always just a poll on the entire population.
 
ah, I thought it implies the results will mean something comes into effect (or not)
 
Sometimes the rules require certain decisions be made in accordance to the results of the poll, sometimes they don't.
The AV referendum was binding.
 

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