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9:00 PM
Time control is annoying.
 
> London ► Wroclaw

Day 1, travel from London to Poznan by Eurostar, ICE & Jan Kiepura sleeper train as shown in the London to Poznan & Warsaw section above. You leave London at 15:04 (12:58 Saturdays) and arrive Poznan at 09:24 the next morning.

Day 2, travel from Poznan to Wroclaw Glowny (= main station) by connecting train. There's usually a smart air-conditioned InterCity train leaving Poznan at 10:40 and arriving Wroclaw at 12:39. You can check times at www.intercity.pl.
2 days to do it by train.
Wonder what hte price is.
 
Why are you making it so difficult?
77GBP and you're done
 
> ICE
 
one flight
boom
 
what about the flight back
 
9:01 PM
its return
 
fun fact
 
Ell
seriously yeah flying from uk -> poland ball is the cheapest option
 
Lmao
There's like
 
after my super long flights
 
5 actual trains involved
 
9:01 PM
all those trains will not be cheaper than that
 
it took 5 days to pop my ears
I don't think my ears have recovered from the trauma
 
rip
 
Oh man. If I have to sit on a plane for 24 hours...
 
my ears generally pop when landing
 
me too
but that time it didn't
and I had the cold
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
It sounds crazy, but disabling npm's progress bar yields a 2x npm install speed improvement for me https://t.co/ChXxSepCBK
 
so whenever I'd blow my nose for the next 5 days it'd pop my ears
 
user1804599
lol
 
ITT loungers aren't the greatest travellers
 
I'd rather go to London.
 
I am gr8 traveller.
Uncon 4.0
London.
 
Ell
9:03 PM
london is expensive as
 
Travelling sucks
 
Xeo
Man, how long has it been since I've been on a flight...
 
Please stop rate limiting me SO.
 
Xeo
10 years or more for sure
 
you don't want to spend 1K USD on flights, but you'll come to London
 
9:04 PM
@Ell You don't land in London anyway, just grab something before you're in London.
 
@TonyTheLion I was kidding
London's too expensive
 
Ell
what about iceland?
 
Iceland seems nice
 
Ell
9:04 PM
it has a very interesting historical legal system
 
@Rapptz seems like your thing is borked
 
Why do I get penalised for talking lol
 
you're too chatty :P
 
I have a vague memory of being on a plane once
 
> once
 
9:05 PM
Like 20 years ago
 
You guys really haven't travelled?
 
I have
 
Ell
It depends what you mean by travelling
 
I've been to LA 5 times
and then some other US cities
 
Only by train and within country
 
Ell
9:05 PM
I've been to NYC for a night and then to killington to ski
 
and other places
 
Ell
also I've done lots of europe
 
Well, and cars
 
@Rapptz stop splitting shit on multiple lines you scrub D:
 
9 hours of train ride, quite meh
 
9:06 PM
Never needed a passport~
 
@Borgleader It was for dramatic effect there.
 
@Rapptz no talking allowed in chat
 
@CatPlusPlus *.NET Passport
 
Dinosaur detected
 
Still don't know what it was for
 
9:07 PM
The American Passport is kind of pretty.
But I'm just a fan of blue.
 
user406009
@Rapptz We clearly need a US Uncon
 
@milleniumbug What, .NET Passport?
 
Ell
server.document-root = "."
server.port = 80
mimetype.assign = (
    ".html" => "text/html",
    ".css" => "text/css"
)
index-file.names = ( "index.html" )
 
It's a precursor to live.com
 
Ell
9:07 PM
^I'm qualified to run internet facing lighttpd server right?
 
Why do I keep feeling I should get me a chamber pot... for my desk...
 
lolhttpd
 
user1804599
@Ell What obscure language is that?
 
Ell
@thecoshman cos you're lazy
 
@Lalaland The inverse (Euro -> US) is expensive too I think.
 
Ell
9:08 PM
@MadameElyse lighttpd.conf
 
user1804599
eww
 
user1804599
y u no nginx
 
Ell
okay
show me an equivalent config file and I will :3
 
Clearly for equality we need a trip that is equally expensive for all parties.
 
user406009
@Rapptz I am saying to run two different events.
 
9:08 PM
Not sure why you'd use lighttpd for anything
 
Uncon 4.0 Japan.
 
@Rapptz to the moon!
 
user406009
The Freedom(TM) Uncon
 
@Rapptz I've proposed that before
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus it's just easy to run in non daemon mode
and it's the first thing I thought of that wasn't apache
 
9:09 PM
So is... every other httpd
 
Ell
see second point
 
Also applies
 
Ell
There was no real choice here
it was easy
 
Xeo
@Rapptz yespls
 
Ell
9:09 PM
I didn't evaluate anything else
 
I would go to Japan
 
@Ell think harder :P
 
Ell
it's the first thing I thought of because idk how to configure apache
 
@Ell hardly
 
Xeo
that would be so neat
 
Ell
9:09 PM
because idk what a virtual host is
 
Don't run Apache either
 
Xeo
just a bunch of people from all over the world going to japan to meet up
 
> $328
 
we could stop by Cicada on the way there
 
@Rapptz nah
 
Ell
9:10 PM
tell me how to feel
 
Going to iceland is dirt cheap.
 
Ell
@Xeo yeah it'd be awesome
 
If you just want to serve static files then why are you bothering with server setup anyway
 
@Xeo okay I guess I can see why you have budget issues
 
9:10 PM
Japan is hella expensive let me tell you.
 
Put that shit on GH Pages or S3
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I am running XMPP server also
 
user406009
@Ell Except for the price.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton I do?
 
Ell
and I have free digital ocean credit
@Lalaland yup :S
 
9:11 PM
Wow
Going to Japan
 
Uncon 4.0: Australia mate.
 
@Rapptz Basic products are expensive.
 
Is the cost of the entire London trip ONE WAY.
 
@Rapptz but but spiders...
 
@CatPlusPlus static files? sounds like a job for github :D
 
9:11 PM
Lol, I could even take my car to London.
 
@thecoshman Yes that is what I said
 
user406009
@ThePhD West coast best coast for cheaper flights.
 
@Morwenn Yay, come visit :D
 
@CatPlusPlus agreed
 
@Ell It's just grouping config by name/IP
 
9:12 PM
@TonyTheLion I'd rather jump in a train a Friday evening and wake up in London the next morning.
 
Mostly name i.e. domain these days
 
@Morwenn that sounds like a night out :D
 
Xeo
@ThePhD shouldn't it be cheaper for you guys over there than for us Europeans? I think it costs me ~500-600 bucks or so for the flight, last I checked
 
@Morwenn It doesn't take that long... from Paris anyway.
 
@Xeo I checked flying from US East Coast
 
9:13 PM
@Xeo that's relatively cheap
 
PFFF
 
I paid 700 GBP direct from Heathrow to LA
 
727 dollars is the fucking cheapest.
For Cali -> Japan
Really?
 
Travelling people problems
 
9:13 PM
yeah DTW to Tokyo is $1,100ish
 
@ThePhD Just a hop over the ocean
 
RIP my dreams of getting to Japan without burning a hole in my fucking pocket.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm 500~600km away from Paris. It's faster for me to go to Plymouth than to go to Paris.
 
@ThePhD still cheaper than a train within the uk
 
Strong Language---"This blog gives a place for professional language geeks to talk about things they can’t talk about in more polite contexts. It’s a sweary blog about swearing."
 
9:15 PM
what's the cheapest place in the UK anyway
 
user406009
@thecoshman What? How much could they possibly charge for trains?
 
@Lalaland a lot :P
 
user406009
Why not just take a bus?
 
@Rapptz To live? The outskirts. Never wanna go to London, always head for the town-villages and boonies and swamps.
 
London to Tokyo -> 400 GBP
 
user406009
9:15 PM
Buses are like super cheap in the US.
 
user406009
(Assuming your time has no value)
 
@TonyTheLion q_q curse you efficient Englishers
 
bus rides here are $2
 
You picked a wrong continent to be on
 
but they are terrible
 
user406009
9:16 PM
@Rapptz I was more talking about those intercity greyhound buses.
 
don't take the bus
 
> from $1,160
 
It's a bus, they're supposed to be terrible
 
we don't have those
 
JFC
 
9:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus buses are okay in Canada
 
Even from SEA-TAC airport, which has some of its terminals in Japanese
 
Well it's Canada
 
Still unable to beat bubble sort T____T
 
Ell
uh oh
 
They probably run on maple syrup
 
9:17 PM
@Lalaland A weekly on-peak ticket from an hour down south of London with a direct route into London Victoria is now 70GBP or something. I think a return is like 20GBP
 
@Morwenn Well done
 
my friends and I are planning a meetup in Vancouver for late June (like ~28 or so).
 
oh those
 
@Rapptz Depends on where you go. In major cities, yeah, usually.
 
9:18 PM
whoa nostalgia
 
@Morwenn what are you trying to beat it with
 
whoaaa
 
A stick
 
bozosort?
 
drunk sort
 
9:18 PM
I remember taking one of those for a school field trip ages ago
 
I ride the bus regularly, although I'm more of a metro user. Public transit in Montreal is pretty decent, and I've heard good things about Vancouver (but not about Toronto).
 
@milleniumbug I am trying to find a simple stable sorting algorithm that beats bubble sort for really small collections and that works with forward iterators.
 
buses are okay in Canada.
Not just metro/major cities.
Based on all my Canadian friends of different places.
 
I need to trim my beard
 
I've tried insertion sort, stable selection sort and a hybrid bastard of bubble sort and stable selection sort, but bubble is still better for many patterns.
 
user406009
9:19 PM
Buses are also quite good in Houston.
 
They complain about the bus sometimes but it's never the same complaints you get here.
 
fuck it, another beer, I can still get up in the morning so why not
 
user406009
They just revised the system.
 
user406009
I take it twice a week for shopping.
 
@thecoshman its also Friday tomorrow, who gets work done a Friday? :P
 
9:20 PM
in here you never get people to say "oh let's take the bus"
so if people are at least willing to say that then it's already better than our buses
 
user406009
Well, it's not "stylish".
 
buses are popular here
 
user406009
But it is cheap, and it works.
 
our buses are full of old people
 
Busii
 
9:20 PM
and hobos
 
user406009
Like I wouldn't take someone on a date using public transportation.
 
buses here at rush hour are sardine boxes
 
quite unlike Europe, where all the fancy parties with young trendy people take place in buses
 
@Rapptz That's just public transportation in general
 
not everywhere else I've taken the bus :(
 
9:21 PM
> 14 days
 
user406009
@Rapptz Supposedly some people live on some buses in the Bay Area due to the high cost of housing.
 
> latter hasn't been delivered yet
 
@TonyTheLion who get's work done?
 
USPS breaking my heart rn
 
lol
 
9:22 PM
@thecoshman I do, sometimes :P
 
user1804599
I should practice writing documentation.
 
@MadameElyse Lemme know what you find out when you do.
 
@TonyTheLion drink more, it'll help
 
user1804599
I have to document a network protocol before I forget how it works.
 
I want to eat something sweet
 
user406009
 
like cake or something
 
@ThePhD it's not hard
 
@Rapptz Documentation is wicked hard.
 
it's just time consuming
 
@TonyTheLion nah, just drink
 
9:23 PM
no one reads docs
 
user1804599
I read docs a lot.
 
> "We don't have a place to stay," said the man, who wouldn't give their names, but said they had spent nights this way for five months. "From early evening to morning, we're on the bus."
that makes me sad :(
people shouldn't have to live this way
 
user1804599
When I see an API used for the first time, I want to know exactly what it does and what are its edge cases. Such information can be found in the docs.
 
I never wonder about edge cases
 
user1804599
I can't stand looking at code without knowing exactly what the programs it calls into do.
 
9:25 PM
I find out about them by banging my head against them
:P
 
user1804599
Also browsing docs when bored decreases obliviousness, which is useful.
 
user1804599
It's why I know so much random trivia that always comes in handy one day.
 
because you read docs when you're bored?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Being unemployed and homeless is one of my deepest fears.
 
9:26 PM
Nerd
 
@Lalaland Same here. It scares me shitless
 
user1804599
It's fun.
 
user1804599
Learning is fun.
 
user1804599
Exploring is fun.
 
@MadameElyse I'll give you that much
but I don't want to spend my free time reading docs, when I have to code for a living
 
9:27 PM
@TonyTheLion I would expect as much, Mr. Organic Chem. :b
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion It's part of why I am concerned with the growing numbers of CS graduates and the possibility of a CS bubble.
 
@ThePhD Organic Chemistry is amazing. :)
 
user406009
Organic Chemistry actually isn't that bad.
 
user406009
The best of the pre-med classes in fact.
 
I love Carbon
 
user406009
9:27 PM
It's actually sorta like a math class.
 
Carbon is the slut of all elements
It'll hook up with anybody it can
 
user406009
The problems in Orgo are pretty much proofs.
 
user1804599
CFClBrI is my favourite molecule.
 
@Lalaland ehhh; I hope you realize most CS grads are trash anyway - because the formal CS education is trahs
 
I love all of you guys!!!
 
9:29 PM
I need to get back into Organic Chemistry
 
user406009
(Except, instead of adding -1 to each side, you write "add HCl and heat" and then draw a picture)
 
It was so interesting
@CaptainGiraffe <3 <3 <3
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Still, many people are ditching other fields to go into CS.
 
@Morwenn Now that I think about it, sorting algorithms on non-random access are considered second-class citizens by almost everyone.
 
@Lalaland Then git gud scrub
 
user406009
9:30 PM
I know a couple of people who would have been physics, chemistry or philosophy majors except for current high pay in CS.
 
Unfortunate @sehe isn't here. It would have been so much more heartfelt and genuine.
 
The problem with CS type jobs is that its a lot of tedious tasks and it can be quite demotivating at times
Spending 3 days trying to find a bug makes you want to jump off a cliff
 
@Lalaland 90% of programming jobs can be done by high schoolers; education is irrelevant in most cases
 
you mad
 
But if you can be good at that, and have patience and endless motivation to keep on trucking, you can probably get some great paying jobs
 
user406009
9:31 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, but more people are going into programming in general.
 
@CatPlusPlus 95% then, sorry
 
Like chasing a rabbit
 
@TonyTheLion I tell my students, crying is part of the job. The relief is closing in though.
 
@ScarletAmaranth programming be hard
 
Demand for skilled programmers is not going to decrease
 
user406009
9:32 PM
It's not really the number of CS grads which worries me, it's the increased amount of people going into CS in general, at every level of education.
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but the supply will increase.
 
good programming is hard
 
@CatPlusPlus this
just be a good programmer and there is nothing to worry about! :)
 
hard programming is good
 
user1804599
I'm worried people starting CS courses leave dumber than they started.
 
9:32 PM
@Lalaland A lot of CS graduates are shite
 
@MadameElyse this
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Sure, and I guess I should also buy some lottery tickets as well?
 
user1804599
Which is certainly true for those who attend Rotterdam University.
 
@Lalaland Good, they can take all the shitty jobs that propel the industry
 
user406009
I just need to "pick the good numbers"!
 
9:33 PM
I'm sorry to say, but a lot of them haven't a goddamn clue whats going on
 
@Lalaland being good at programming has nothing to do with luck
 
We'll have the interesting ones
 
oh yea they can recite how to find the complexity of some algorithm
but can they debug a million line codebase
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth No, but you are in a competition against other people.
 
and find the bug and fix it
 
9:33 PM
Can anyone
 
user406009
There are going to be winners and losers.
 
@Lalaland that's cool
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth You have to be lucky to be born with sufficient opportunities and intellect.
 
user406009
Not everyone can be the best.
 
@TonyTheLion I have good evidence the graduates leaving me are good. They are sought for and appreciated.
 
9:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus exactly
 
Which is why you need to git gud scrub
 
@CaptainGiraffe Good on you :)
 
user1804599
@Lalaland But I can.
 
@TonyTheLion I take quite some pride in it. The companies hiring my graduates also want to hire me =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe :)
 
user1804599
9:35 PM
I'm one of the best programmers.
 
@MadameElyse I don't think people are born with X units of smart and that's really "it" for them
 
@MadameElyse You're also rightfold
and that says everything every Lounger ever needs to know :P
 
user1804599
I also have the opposite of impostor syndrome.
 
You can convert units of alcohol into units of programming
 
@sehe I love you!
 
9:36 PM
@MadameElyse I happen to know that's not true
@CaptainGiraffe What happened :)
Thanks, btw
 
user1804599
@sehe You're an impostor.
 
@sehe Drugs
 
@CatPlusPlus Is it an implicit conversion?
 
No, it needs a catalyst
 
@MadameElyse Yup, I feel that way too
 
9:37 PM
One funny instance of a company that contains about 70% of my graduates =) They are quite successful. The founder is not one of my kids though.
 
@CaptainGiraffe cool
 
user1804599
> Catalyst is the most popular Perl MVC framework and makes creating web applications fun, rewarding and quick.
 
user1804599
Catalyst sucks.
 
@MadameElyse Every programmer has a territory in which they are the best.
 
9:38 PM
Coincidentally so does Perl but you like it so what does that tell us
 
user1804599
I love Perl. :)
 
user1804599
Perl is very fun to program in, just like Go and APL.
 
Rightfold has probably tried the most programming languages
 
@CatPlusPlus Nothing wrong with sucking.
 
@MadameElyse APL =) Write once run anywhere!
Wait where did I hear that before?
 
user1804599
9:39 PM
Write once, read never.
 
Don't write, don't run
 
@MadameElyse Is that the motto of a C programmer?
 
user1804599
C++ is write once, run away.
 
@TonyTheLion Who didn'
I still don't know what I should use for most things
 
@CatPlusPlus I haven't tried that many languages
 
9:40 PM
> I need your cooperation to transfer $6.2 M into your bank account and you will be entitle to 30% of the fund upon our successful transaction, please reply me if you are capable so that i would give you the details of the transaction.
 
user1804599
Java: write once, debug everywhere.
C++: write once, run away.
Erlang: write once, run forever.
Python: write once, AttributeError.
9
 
Niggers strike
 
user1804599
hey nice "forever" rhymes with "AttributeError"
 
> please reply me
 
Not really
 
9:41 PM
I prefer the classic: PERL, executable line noise. python executable pseudo-code.
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Supposedly the spelling errors are on purpose.
 
user406009
They are useful for telling who is truly an idiot.
 
user406009
You need to filter out the people who have a clue.
 
user1804599
AWK: write once, throw away.
 
@Lalaland Yeah, read some research about that, a screening process.
 
user406009
9:45 PM
@JohanLarsson Perhaps you should scam bait the people behind that email.
 
Rightfold: write all the time, never ship anything
 
user1804599
> Dictionary quit unexpectedly.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm almost certain that slogan was "Run, don't write"
 
user1804599
Good job Apple.
 
Good job user
@JohanLarsson what a sad coincidence that you're incapable
 
9:46 PM
Shipping is overrated
 
Logistics is underrated.
 
Truth
Cryptography is overrated.
 
Encryption is underrated?
 
@Lalaland but I have so much broken code to fix
 
@Lalaland And that achieves what
 
9:51 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Well both (the importance is underrated, the impact of its use overrated)
 
Oh wow.
I was still reading this: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/isis-alrawi-encryption-messaging-app/
 
Breaking news: journalists are shit at their job, more at 11
 
oh wait... that's a female...
close enough :D
 
I have to shut down now; I have run out of downvotes early:(
 
9:57 PM
@MartinJames time to open up the bottles
 
I love you all guys.
 

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