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user1804599
9:00 PM
sizeof...
 
user1804599
woo Go 1.5 released
 
all glory to the Hype framework
 
@Prismatic Epileptic seizure inducing?
 
@elyse Does it now include actual features?
 
user1804599
9:12 PM
Yes!
 
user1804599
You can now create libraries that can be called by programs not written in Go.
 
I just got dumped. Like two minutes ago.
 
that is not an actual feature.
 
But it was only friends with benefits kind of relationship.
In fact, her feelings were hurt when I did not return her love confession. Life sucks.
 
user1804599
@wilx So did the core of the local C programmer.
 
9:16 PM
@elyse ...
 
gneiss one
 
user1804599
The C in C is for "core dump".
 
I kind of guessed her feelings were more than just what I described. Now that she said we should not see each other again, damn, I actually feel relief.
 
@wilx relief? Do you feel more than that?
 
@wilx Sounds to me then like more or less you dumped her.
 
9:21 PM
@Puppy In a sense, yes. But the parameters of our relationship were supposed to be without love.
 
I don't understand how close people can want never to see each other again.
 
@VermillionAzure how is a graph not an output
 
@melak47 Because you don't feed a graph into a matrix multiplier or a clustering algorithm like NMF.
It's I/O in the sense of composing functions
 
so? just because an output is the wrong type for another input doesn't make it not an output...
 
@melak47 The semantics I chose to adopt are Input -> Func -> Output -> Input -> Func...
So anything that can't be an input can't be chained together
 
9:23 PM
but it can be an input, you just haven't written the function that accepts it yet
 
> Passwords released in the data dump appear to have been hashed using the bcrypt algorithm for PHP, but Robert Graham, CEO of Erratasec, says that despite this being one of the most secure ways to store passwords, “hackers are still likely to be able to ‘crack’ many of these hashes in order to discover the account holder’s original password.”
 
not very secure then is it :v
 
user406009
I guess this is as good of a time as any.
* steps onto stage, and clears throat *
Hello Loungians.
I am proud to announce the launch of my new extensions: StarGazer (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/star-gazer/pbmfgocjhgedfgehccfkibhbegcfhncf)
For too long, the anonymity of the star system has gotten in the way.
Slowly, yet ever surely, the star board has slowly turned into the shit board.
I bring us a solution.
A wonderful extension which shows who stars what.
Rejoice my people.
 
user406009
/s
 
this is an invasion of my privacy!
 
9:26 PM
@wilx We have a stallion among us :P
 
@melak47 The graphs are collected under another variable output anyways
 
user1804599
It says "Star Gazer", not "StarGazer".
 
user1804599
Please link to the correct plugin.
 
@Morwenn The parameters of the relationship change and that very closeness makes it too painful.
 
@caps Then you're doing relationships wrong.
Is what I would like to say, but I don't know shit about relationships.
 
9:27 PM
@VermillionAzure that sounds iffy. :D
 
@Morwenn How about when they turn delusional and be depressed for 15 years and start saying they never wanted to marry you? And then abandon you.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lol
 
@VermillionAzure Why would you want to marry anyone to start with?
 
@Morwenn I guess you don't understand.
 
Just don't tie strong links and make it clear right from the start.
 
9:28 PM
@Morwenn That's like saying you want to only bathe with water but never drink it. Ever.
Sure. But water's gonna get in your mouth someday.
 
Just accept that it can enter and leave. Don't try to retain it if you like bad metaphors.
 
@Morwenn Don't you ever think about, you know, the future?
 
@Lalaland Doesn't seem to work v0v
 
@VermillionAzure I do. Probably just not the same way you do.
 
One day we're gonna wakeup and wonder who we have in our lives and if a SO isn't there, I know I'd be bummed.
 
user406009
9:30 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Darn. Could you give me OS and chrome version? I'll try to reproduce.
 
How is it supposed to work?
 
user406009
You hover over a star.
 
user406009
It shows a list of people who liked it.
 
user406009
You need to install the extension, and reload the page for it to work.
 
user406009
See the screenshot.
 
9:31 PM
Chrome: Version 44.0.2403.155 (64-bit), OS: OS X 10.10.4 (14E46)
 
Why does it need to modify stack overflow to work?
 
user406009
Because it attaches dom listeners.
 
user406009
I have it limited to chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms*
 
So.
It is cool.
But it doesn't completely work.
 
user406009
@caps You can view the code github.com/Lalaland/StarGazer
 
Sometimes it only shows some starrers, sometimes all of them.
Sometimes none of them
 
@Lalaland Did you put a listener on http only?
I'm using https
 
wait what the fuck
> Horse dies after sexual assault
 
@Puppy ...by another horse?
 
Generally it's the other way around.
 
9:34 PM
Yeah, no, doesn't work with http wither.
 
@VermillionAzure No.
 
Or are we getting into "bear" territory here?
 
the horse was stabbed twice and "sexually violated".
 
@Morwenn Sexual assault dies after horse?
 
@Puppy Oh. That sounds nasty.
 
user406009
9:35 PM
@caps I don't have a time machine, so I only have stars after I started recording.
 
user406009
Eventually, the star board will cycle, and I will have all the important stars.
 
Interesting.
 
Reminds me of an old story on 4chan. But I wouldn't be able to find it again.
 
So when does it come to Firefox?
 
stop taking our stars
 
9:35 PM
well, the tagline was "Horse dies after sexual assault" so I'm not sure what else I, or you, was expecting.
 
user406009
Yeah, it doesn't work over https.
 
user406009
Darn.
 
The browser I actually use for this.
 
@Lalaland Still doesn't work over http either for me
 
user406009
Hmm, I was able to get my extension to work in chrome 42 on Linux.
 
user406009
9:36 PM
I guess I'll try chrome 44 on linux.
 
user406009
@caps A port should be pretty straightforward. It's a very simple extension.
 
@Lalaland Ok, it works
With HTTP it does work
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I'll get an HTTPS version out ASAP.
 
user406009
Just need to get a certificate and run through those games.
 
wtf, I got b& for a day-old message.
 
9:42 PM
@Lalaland Can you also please add a background behind the list of starrers?
And maybe make it position: relative or something?
Maybe with a fixed height and overflow: scroll-y
 
@MaiLongdong Consistency I guess.
Also as("hello"); would return const char* instead of std::string
which might not be what people want
ok
gonna shower
 
Just in time <lennyface>
 
@Rapptz Did you stop coming here because I'm annoying?
 
Yeahright
 
9:56 PM
I think I'm going to throw away my known shoe avatar
 
nooooooooooooooooo
 
Maybe be a real Ell
 
and then you'll change your name and I'll have no idea who you are
 
> I'd call you a cunt but that would imply you have depth and warmth
lol
 
lol
I would have this beautiful avatar
 
10:03 PM
thats so ugly
 
Also, how do they handle MD5 collisions?
 
use this
 
lol
Maybe have just a blue avatar
Entirely blue
 
entirely transparent maybe
that'd be cool
 
That would be awesome
 
10:05 PM
I vehemently disagree
 
Does SE allow transparency in avatars?
 
Why wouldn't they?
 
I cannot comment, so I'm posting it as an answer. See answers here. upd: It turns out that short answers become comments even if you don't have enough reputation. — nightuser 9 mins ago
 
use that
 
10:06 PM
interesting
 
Fuck if I know
 
@melak47 That blue is awesome
 
@VermillionAzure everyone stopped coming. The only ones here are the people who never come here
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ the centering/left margin is awkward
 
I commented only on the colo(u)r
 
@sehe I'm confused
 
10:08 PM
@melak47 He is talking about orgasms
I just want to disappear from the internet and become anonymous again
 
Ell
Don't we all at some point
 
A newly born internet user with no past
 
Do you guys prefer to create different exception types for each kind of error? Or use exception categories and embed error information in the exception object?
 
I know, just flip your username upside down. you'll be a whole new person!
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I would have said that the people who are here never leave, so they never come back.
 
Ell
10:10 PM
Well actually no, I don't. I wish to erase historical consequences but keep the lessons lewrned
@Prismatic kinda both
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Eh, it'll cost me 20$ to add https support so I am not going to bother.
 
user406009
Unless someone really needs it.
 
@Lalaland Hmm, why?
You can't connect via SSL to SO without your own certificate?
 
user406009
10$ for the domain name + 10$ for the SSL certificate.
 
wat
Is this a bot?
 
10:13 PM
.
 
What do you need the domain name and SSL certificate for?
 
@Puppy yup
 
user406009
Otherwise chrome blocks your requests. You can force chrome to let them pass.
 
user406009
I guess that's acceptable.
 
user406009
10:15 PM
Let me update the extension. I'll take an hour to hit the chrome store.
 
Coolness
 
LRiO
 
@Prismatic First one.
 
@Ell Which is what you would achieve with a new account
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Fortunately, I never appeared on the Internet, so I have no need to disappear.
 
10:21 PM
@Prismatic IMO exceptions must be parseable by a program so it can do something useful in response. Which means the cause must be stored in the type, and context as the value of the exception object (BTW. .what() is not enough context, also not really required)
 
@unordered_meow Depends on whether a program ever actually does parse them.
 
It's so exciting to think to live everything behind and start new
 
If it doesn't parse, then you don't care at all what the exception is
Just let it go
 
The only thing stopping me is the Lounge really
I would have to let this room go, and I have no intention of doing that yet
New google account, new dropbox account, new github account, new reddit account, new google account.
 
you could always just come back under a new name
 
10:24 PM
Exception messages are more or less useless, using a combination of types and codes is better
I'm lazy so I never bother though
It's all going to logs anyway
 
@Puppy But then people would call me Jefffrey, and there would exist a public connection between this identity and the past one.
 
theoretically
OTOH ain't nobody gonna dig through the Lounge transcripts looking for you
 
When I'll become famous they will :P
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Keep the SO account, reboot the rest and try not to make connections between them. Byt you'd have a hard time not linking to your new GitHub or something.
 
why are you abandoning your old identity
 
10:26 PM
@Morwenn Yeah
 
Or simply learn how to accept every single thing you left on the internet.
 
@Prismatic Witness protection
 
Simply don't write things you know you won't be able to explain/defend in the future.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ damn, you serious?
 
No, of course not.
 
10:27 PM
oh
 
@Morwenn explain/defend this!
 
Hey anyone here?
 
What would I ever witness in my house?
 
@CatPlusPlus handy for logs I guess vOv
 
two exception styles
 
10:28 PM
@AndrewPeters No
 
@thecoshman Eh, you need context and something searchable anyway, just message is not very useful
 
@Prismatic Just cause. Don't you get that "I want to start fresh" feeling every once in a while?
 
The second one seems like there's more work for the user so I like the first style. But the second style is what the standard library uses
 
@AndrewPeters Sure
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, well balls to any exception logging system that makes me put that sort of effort into things
 
10:29 PM
Welp, true anonymity wouldn't really be possible anyway
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I only feel like I wish I could go back in time and change a lot of choices I've made. I don't see any utility in changing my online identity.
 
IPs of where I've been would be easily linked to new IPs with the new identity
 
@thecoshman Try running a large system :v
 
@Prismatic Well, those are called regrets. I don't have huge regrets to be honest. Not yet.
I just want to wash away my online identity, everything I said or done online and start fresh.
Just online
 
well, the people trying to track you are not going to put that much effort into things
 
10:31 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ on behalf of @sbi told you so
 
Oh well, I'm going to sleep.
 
@thecoshman ?
 
I love all of you, or something, and good night.
 
cya
 
10:32 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ he went through this
 
Ell
@jefffrey a new online identity can't remove things your old one said
 
@Ell but you can hide from them for a while
 
@Ell It absolves you of the responsibility of saying them
 
Ell
nighty night @Morwenn
 
Thanks ^_^
 
10:32 PM
@Morwenn good idea, I'll get some reading in
night chaps and chaps
 
@Ell Well, true, but I would forget about those accounts and deny their existence if needed
Even if someone were to link to them I could deny everything. Say it wasn't my account.
 
Ell
Denying existence dowsnt cut it with transcript etc.
But you have proven your identity haven't you?
 
What do you mean?
 
Ell
I have proven my identity here to at least one lounger
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ you have associated meatspace with here
or maybe you havebt actually
 
Well, yeah, but now those links are 404
 
Xeo
10:35 PM
Man. It really is something else to actually see people play the game you've worked on for 9 months.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ if you change your identity can I have your rep
 
@Xeo Which one?
@Prismatic lol
 
Xeo
Valhalla Hills
 
@Xeo Who's playing it?
 
Xeo
some German LPer
 
10:36 PM
@Xeo What?
 
@Xeo Where? Link pls.
 
@Xeo how big is the company
 
Xeo
~20 people. Only 9 people working on this one, though.
 
@Xeo oh
I saw something like Beste Deutsch
and I was like, "Oh."
"cool"
 
10:40 PM
p good, dunno if there are subs
 
@Prismatic Definitely not the second
The first one is also terrible
 
why is the first one bad?
 
EventLoopException if it has to exist should be a namespace
 
@Xeo you're a game dev? :D
 
Xeo
lol yeah
 
10:42 PM
@Prismatic The EventLoopException_ prefix
Also those static things are private
Actually maybe you should only have struct EventLoopException : std::logic_exception { EventLoopException(ErrorLevel lvl, std::string message) : level(lvl), std::logic_exception(message) {} }; or something along those lines
If you really have to have those as different types, then make EventLoopException a tagged type (with templates specifying the kind).
 
Ell
IIRC use virtual inheritance for std exceptions
Look into best practise at least
 
ignore private / public / whatever, really I just wanted to compare having specific and different exceptions or more general ones. I'm already inheriting from std::exception, its just not shown
 
@Prismatic Why would you need different types for those errors?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ In that case, the user would be expected to parse 'message' to be able to act on the exception
 
Looks to me like the only thing that changes is the level and the messages
@Prismatic How so?
 
10:48 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ How else would someone act on them? You need the Type of an error to fix the problem it represents
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It propigated. If you update to 1.6, you can use it in https.
 
@Prismatic Then throw an enum class
 
user406009
You just have to click the blue shield in the top right of your address bar.
 
and have the message and the type of the error be determined by functions
 
Ell
10:49 PM
I think types are appropriate
Nothing wrong with more types if they need to be handles differently
 
Maybe have something like:
enum class EventLoopException {
    CalledFromNonActiveThread,
    EventLoopStopped
};
And then something like:
ErrorLevel level_for(EventLoopException x) {
    switch (x) {
    case CalledFromNonActiveThread: return ErrorLevel::FATAL;
    case EventLoopStopped: return ErrorLevel::WARN;
    };
}
Nah, maybe that's terrible
What I'm sure of is that EventLoopException_CalledFromNonActiveThread is terrible
EventLoopException should be a namespace or an outer class or whatever
Notice that you probably don't need to separate the types.
 
Ell
EventLoopException doesnt sound so good
 
Some API provide only CannotOpenFile exceptions and then they specify the reason why in the string message for example.
 
Ell
Where is it thrown from?
 
The EventLoop class
 
Ell
10:55 PM
What function?
 
In the end you just want to log the error and move onto something else.
Also exceptions should not be tight coupled with a class
 
If I just want to log an error then there's no point in using exceptions
 
Ell
I don't think you need the EventLoopException part if its being thrown from EventLoop
I feel like EventLoopStopped oughtnt be an exception but Ido
 
Its an exception if you call a function that requires the EventLoop to be running
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ string messages are great when you don't care about the contents of it :p
 
10:58 PM
@Prismatic If you are into that, maybe you can have the exceptions be children of the class
 
Ell
@Prismatic wouldn't you pass in the eventloop object?
 
EventLoopException_ prefix is retarded
Just do CalledFromNonActiveThreadException
 
Ell
^
 
> The suspect who allegedly pointed a gun at officers was struck, and pronounced dead at the scene.

He was not identified by name, but Dotson said the suspect was an African-American man who appeared to be [in his early 20s](http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/19/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html).
 

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