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12:00 AM
Hello babes
 
@Jefffrey wussup
 
Ok, I guess
 
@Borgleader Yes I did. About ~5 streams. Sorry about livecoding suckage. Please vote for the relevant issues/requests: roadmap.livecoding.tv
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12:17 AM
> 50-350 micron layer resolution
15 micron X and Y positioning accuracy
That was the least quality.
I just wanted to get something quick out.
 
Sure, I was just curious about its maximum accuracy
anyway, looking forward to your next creations :)
 
12:32 AM
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Q: Weird nested class partial specialization results on both gcc and clang

VeritasWhile writing a small template metaprogramming library for personal use, I came across an interesting problem. Since I was reusing a few partial specializations for some metafunctions, I decided I would put them under a common template class and use tags along with nested partial specialization...

this is getting interesting
 
 
1 hour later…
1:43 AM
Firefox tells me Flash is vulnerable so I should update it, I go to their addon page and click the update button. Download the file from that link (adobe's website), install flash, and restart FF. And yet it still tells me I should update.
wtf firefox :(
 
2 days ago, by milleniumbug
that's a 10-upvote question I think
damn so close
 
@milleniumbug it has 10 now
 
2:49 AM
How do you greet someone at night?
 
@ScottW :P
@StackedCrooked This was posted a few messages up.
Or I'm blind and don't see the difference.
 
lol, didn't see that
 
@ScottW Because I'm in bed using my phone heh.
@ScottW It's not an excuse if a koala says it.
Mobile keyboards suck.
I'll probably wake people up.
Scott what time do you get on usually?
Because I'm on from like 9-10:30 AM and 3:30 to 6:30.
And then I usually eat dinner or whatever.
 
@Nooble Time zone?
 
3:02 AM
@jaggedSpire UTC-5:00
@ScottW That sounds silly.
"Surviving" isn't even necessary. If @nabijaczleweli taught me anything, it's that if you're starving, you might as well jump to your death so you can respawn with full hunger.
Yeah, @Jesus.
 
@ScottW But minecraft teaches all sorts of constructive lessons.
Yeah!
 
3:20 AM
@ScottW Yeah I'm talking shit about you while I sleep, too.
That must be a great pickup line. "Hey, I'm talking shit about you while I sleep, better join me in bed to defend yourself!".
 
3:38 AM
@jaggedSpire Deconstructive too!
 
guys can you please help me. I'm having a hard time composing questions. What is the right question if you want to know when do the employees get paid(monthly,half of month quarterly). sorry i'm a bilingual.
or when do they receive their salary
 
@user3783598 At what time interval do employees get paid?
 
nice thanks..will I indicate At what time interval do employees get paid?(monthly etc,)?
@Nooble bro. will I indicate (monthly, quarterly etc) at the end?
 
4:04 AM
@user3783598 You don't need to.
 
 
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6:21 AM
> bro.
killed the room
I feel like I've been hit by truck. Damn
oh baby let's remove each others sentences
 
let's flag each other
 
one another*
 
let's flag one another? that sounds weird
 
waitwaitwaitwait did I hear flagfest? vuvuzela
 
yeah, that's what you get for not being native¹

¹ (I'm a native² speaker myself)
² (of the Dutch language)
 
6:29 AM
lol
 
Moons are dogs in wonky UFOs. Backtick... Arf! madiwu`a — Casey Jones 20 secs ago
lolwut
These requests on the livecoding roadmap page are worth voting up: #315, #378, #284, #308, #400, #367, #359,
#363, #339, #355, #376, #321, #512 and the meta-issue #510
/cc @Borgleader @nabijaczleweli @ell @Prismatic and whomever I forgot ^^
 
6:46 AM
@everyone
 
Maybe we should add "ability to navigate roadmap requests" :)
It's quite horrific. Livecoding.tv doesn't have thee best UI designers
 
7:03 AM
Is updooting all of those requests the appropriate course of action?
 
7:18 AM
Well they're probably programmers, not designers.
 
user1804599
Hello.
 
Hello. My name is Dave, and I'm almost a SO "fanatic."
My goal is 48 hours with no SO. I can do this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh god! what is it! I think I'm going to be sick
 
@Potatoswatter You should launch a chatroom "SOA" for StackOverflow Anonymous. You could do meetings and stuff to help people stay away from it and do drugs
 
user1804599
Service-oriented aandoening.
 
7:33 AM
ergh... I hate trying to deal with 'fixed' data that isn't actually fixed...
 
Guys
new factorio problem
I build the engines at the oil extraction site because I need lubricant
 
So I get my engines and electronic cards by train
@thecoshman The room is ded though
 
@Mr.kbok no it's not
 
There should be a factorio.SE
 
7:41 AM
If I had owner powers here I'd move that shit so fast
 
fine. owner feel free to move that shit so fast
 
Heh, got a 19% improvement in performance by replacing std::lock_guard<std::mutex> lock(mutex); with while (!mutex.try_lock()); std::lock_guard<std::mutex> lock(mutex, std::adopt_lock);.
 
user1804599
 
This is marvelous
 
user1804599
7:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I prefer the shorter version of that: "Don't."
 
8:15 AM
lo
 
Hi
 
How do u do
 
@Rerito that's like hosting the AAA group at the local pub
 
@sehe Exactly, you need to grab the devil by the horn
 
@StackedCrooked hrm. that's... interesting. Platform?
 
8:18 AM
OSX
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked What kinda mutex is it?
 
I've tweaked it a little further by spinning on asm("pause;");
@Xeo std::mutex (pthread_mutex_t)
OSX mutex is slightly slower than Linux iirc.
So I should check on Linux as well, once I have access to my native machine.
 
user1804599
> std::lock_guard< std::mutex >
 
Xeo
Right.
 
user1804599
I always use std::lock_guard<decltype(mutex)> lock(mutex);,
 
8:24 AM
The lock scopes are very granular, and fairly contented. So it makes sense that spinning is beneficial.
 
ISTR Howard saying libc++ isn't particularly well optimized
 
It's libc++ on mac.
 
@StackedCrooked what doesn't make sense is that "try_lock" results in equivalent of atomic spin, IYAM
@StackedCrooked ikr
 
user1804599
> In quantum mechanics and particle physics, spin is an intrinsic form of angular momentum carried by elementary particles, composite particles (hadrons), and atomic nuclei.
 
So apparently, the std::mutex is possible to run user-space ... but if you just lock() it it'll yield() the thread first?
 
8:26 AM
@nabijaczleweli They do amazing shoot outs videos! Bad mofo is pretty sick
 
@rightfold And in Dutch, "spin" refers to arachnidae
 
try_lock is essentially spinning on atomic operation. probably slightly more expensive than a regular spin lock due to function call overhead.
 
Apparently. This is not what would have to be expected
 
user1804599
ATOMIC SPIDER??!?!?!?!
 
user1804599
Is an atomic spider a web crawler which when finished checks whether the web has changed and if so retries?
 
8:28 AM
suikerspin
 
user1804599
lekker
 
user1804599
vooral als iemand hem in je gezicht duwt
 
@StackedCrooked I'd expect that to disappear (unless you actually had a volatile in that statement).
 
@rightfold what else would a sane person do with that
 
I did.
But I omitted that ugly word for the sake pleasant chat.
:)
 
user1804599
8:31 AM
What does the pause instruction do?
 
user1804599
> PAUSE notifies CPU that this is spinlock wait loop so memory and cache accesses may be optimized.
 
> Gives hint to processor that improves performance of spin-wait loops.
 
There's a certain minimum number of cycles required for the update to become visible. The pause instruction pauses the cpu for that number of cycles.
So it avoids needless spinning.
 
user1804599
locks are for filthy shared memory savages
 
It also is a hint to the CPU to activate the sibling hypercore.
 
user1804599
8:33 AM
Implementing a mutex in Mill will be very easy.
 
But, implementing Mill won't be easy though.
 
user1804599
I've already implemented channels which was also a piece of cake because the VM is single-threaded.
 
I wonder if Intel is doing research on Mill.
 
user1804599
wrong Mill
 
8:37 AM
Milli Vanilli
 
user1804599
lekker
 
user1804599
vanille
 
@StackedCrooked volatile is beautiful <3
 
volatile |ˈvɒlətʌɪl|
adjective
1 (of a substance) easily evaporated at normal temperatures. volatile solvents such as petroleum ether, hexane, and benzene.
2 liable to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse: the political situation was becoming more volatile.
• (of a person) liable to display rapid changes of emotion. a passionate, volatile young man.
3 (of a computer's memory) retaining data only as long as there is a power supply connected.
 
Why yes I would like to lock that mutex until power runs out
 
8:49 AM
...
 
> From Middle French volatile, from Latin volātilis (“flying; swift; temporary; volatile”), from volō (“I fly”).
 
TIL volatile variables only retain their data if the power supply is connected
 
@StackedCrooked So volatile is stinky.
 
Adjective: volatile (comparative more volatile, superlative most volatile)
  1. (physics) evaporating or vaporizing readily under normal conditions.
  2. volatile (masculine and feminine, plural volatiles)
  3. volatile
  4. volatile
  5. volatile m, f (masculine and feminine plural volatili)
  6. volātile
Noun: volatile m (plural volatiles)
  1. fowl, bird
  2. volatile m (plural volatili)
genius
volatile: volatile, volatile, volatile, volatile, volatile
:D
 
antonym of concurrency primitive
 
8:50 AM
@nabijaczleweli those suggestions in the sidebar... TYVM - that will take months to wear off :) [1]
[1] j/k, I know how to remove those suggestions
 
9:04 AM
hiiiiii
 
user1804599
hi gigolo
 
I managed to turn in my laptop for the waranty hdd replacement
third time the charm :S
I hate driving a car to work
and the packaging for my laptop wouldn't fit into my backpack or my bike's box
 
user1804599
 
> hdd replacement
> fit into my bike's box
 
9:06 AM
> the packaging for my laptop
 
> quoting is fun
 
&gt; wars
 
TL;DR you can get cheap radio equipment to work with non-secured USA military satellite transponders
 
With some gymnastics, managed to make the sample Live On Colirusehe 6 secs ago
Woot /cc @StackedCrooked
@nabijaczleweli %26amp%3Bamp%3Bgt%3B%20wars%5Cn%0A
 
user1804599
9:12 AM
I can do that without gymnastics.
 
@sehe lol
you could wget that SO question and look for that text there :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
 
oh wait nvm
 
:D
 
user1804599
nvm is the best vm
 
user1804599
9:14 AM
> I'm gonna write a VM!
> What'll it be called?
> nvm
8
 
anyway the guy who thinks satellites don't exist should read that article
he'd of course say it's just bouncing off atmosphere
 
user1804599
I can't verify the existence of satellites.
 
@rightfold You can't verify the nonexistence of satellites, either
Following that logic
 
user1804599
Indeed.
 
@rightfold you can just look up
they can be seen with naked eye
 
user1804599
9:16 AM
No.
 
user1804599
I can only verify my own existence.
 
(or lack thereof)
 
user1804599
No. I exist.
 
@rightfold you don't exist
you're made up
 
You can only verify your own existence within the framework of your own existence.
Satellites can verify your existence better than you can.
 
9:17 AM
ITT The Matrix
 
@rightfold Prove it
 
@sehe <loads Google Maps>
 
I think it's sad that answers like this don't get votes right away
This is what will kill SO.
 
They do, it's at +1
 
The volume of questions unaskable (because already answered) will get so low that no contributors will be there to generate interest
@nabijaczleweli lol. Thanks I guess
 
user1804599
9:24 AM
@sehe I can only prove it to myself.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is no existence whatsoever.
We are don't exist.
 
I am do exist
 
And if you try to disprove that, that proof obviously doesn't exist.
Since you don't exist.
 
I am the OP
 
@BartekBanachewicz A bundle of sticks?
 
9:28 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Overt Pedophile?
 
Fireworks are silly. There's no point of shooting things up towards space that purposely blow up.
ow
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz wrong.
 
Blowing things up is the stuff we're best at!
 
user1804599
The purpose is recreation.
 
user1804599
I should implement an optimisation which turns for {} into select {}.
 
user1804599
9:34 AM
The latter just pauses the thread forever, instead of entering an infinite loop.
 
laptop died...
rip
I don't understand these sudden deaths
 
happens vOv
the guy in the depo told me "there're no rules for drive faults. It can die after a month or after 20 years. Just do backups."
 
sigh.. it was a new laptop :(
 
@Veritas Did it leave a note?
 
although it would get easily overheated during the past month.
should had taken precautions
 
9:40 AM
What happened? It just shut down?
 
I think I forgot it in sleep mode. Woke up this morning and it's dead.
 
@BartekBanachewicz video games are silly. there's no point in hitting a keyboard to move virtual things.
 
Use a mouse, noob
(I'm told people do that when gaming. Of course that puts gaming out of my realm of possibilities)
 
@Veritas That's a crappy piece of diagnostic information.
"Dead" could mean anything really.
 
It doesn't power up
 
9:42 AM
From broken battery and power port to destroyed motherboard.
 
No reaction at all?
Not even a bip or something
 
@FlorianMargaine um
 
@Rerito Nope. Hopefully it's the adapter/battery.
 
@Veritas First thing to check would be the charger. :P
Hopefully yours has a status diode... I've seen ones without it o.O
 
@Griwes haven't heard the term status diode before
 
9:46 AM
oh FFS why didn't anyone tell me that this jonathan wakely is so annoying
If you're writing the implementation of foolib.h in foolib.cpp and you only have one using-directive, how can there be a conflict? There are valid uses for it, to deny that suggests lack of imagination or fanatical adherence to a rule you heard once. — Jonathan Wakely 2 mins ago
 
@Veritas Well. The thing that emits light when the charger is plugged into a source of electricity.
I'm making these terms up as I go from words I know. :P
 
Thought so. Mine doesn't have that :'(
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow > Scala 2.12 allows instantiating any type with one single abstract method by passing a lambda.
 
user1804599
Runnable lambdas!
 
Runnable noses
 
9:56 AM
sigh
why did I get into a c++ debate before a coffee
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's a terrible question, it's just un-answerable. "Which is better" vOv how can that be anything but opinion based. Both have drawbacks, both should be avoided, both have situations where you actually do want/need to use them. Neither of those answers actually say which is better, because you can't, they just discuss them.
 
> Bartek: Pretty much every answer on the original question has hundreds of upvotes pointing out it's just not worth it.
> Jonathan: Yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
this thread in a nutshell.
 
user1804599
> If a closure is allocated and invoked within the same method, the closure invocation is replaced by an invocations of the corresponding lambda body method
 
user1804599
amazing
 
I'm done geez.
72k rep guy defending using namespace under a closed question
he must be a friend of Lori
 
9:58 AM
Jonathan Wakely?
FYI that's the lead maintainer of libstdc++.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, it seems unaffected by the plastic being extruded on it.
 
He's a moron, and that's easy to learn if you look through the GCC mailing lists.
 
13 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
New Horizon's antenna dish.
 
lol hi
 

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