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8:00 AM
I had a wee poke at SUSE, didn't like it.
 
blargh, I need a (preferrably interesting) project to start working on.. suitable for C++; anyone got any ideas?
 
@thecoshman Just run on sid or testing
 
@ParkYoung-Bae can't say any of those are of great interest, even though IO Design (replacement of <iostream>) would be nice.. it's a freakin' big task
 
Man of little courage
 
goes a long way, unless you jump straight into the mouth of the dragon
 
8:05 AM
IO Design is a great opportunity to go full Niebler on something
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Start working on Boost.IOStreams. It is pretty decent but has been AFAIK under-maintained in recent years.
 
I don't know what use a bot is for Github...
 
@orlp what is the golf... link?
 
2
A: X greater than 3 with at least 2 difference between X and Y

orlpAfter brute forcing every useful combination of symbols under 9 characters, I've found there to be no smaller solution than x>3&x-y>1. For fun here's some funky 9 character solutions the brute forcer found: -x<~y>4>x ~y+x>2>>y x*x-y*y>9 ~y>x/~3*x -3>>y>y-x ~y+x<<y>2 Brute forcing was done i...

 
Wtf, elementary is making it even harder to download their ISO for free, I'm ditching these jerks
Seriously? Needing to type a custom amount of 0? What kind of scam is that
 
8:14 AM
@orlp hehe. is he trying make a scoring function for tennis tournament rules?
 
@sehe I don't know
 
@ParkYoung-Bae or you know.. press this
 
Yeah, but the problem is that I use this condition (only with variable names changed) in more places, so they add up. I think there can be a formula for this condition, noting that they are in [0,5] interval, but can't see it. — Cristy May 3 '14 at 18:06
What a rubbish reasoning. Meh
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I dislike the principle of making it harder to find the free version
 
@sehe well, he's right, except that C's precedence rules are terrible
@sehe the fact that bitwise operators are lower precedence than comparison is just dumb
 
user1804599
8:16 AM
I had a wonderful idea.
 
otherwise you could do y+3<2^x
 
@MarkGarcia The Rust project uses a bot for stuff like automatic merging of pull requests.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Ugh, not even the slightest hint of were to look at its features.
 
@райтфолд I shall register hasrightfoldcompletedaprojectyet.com and have it contain only "No."
 
@orlp He's right?
@orlp You missed my point.
 
8:20 AM
@sehe wait, which part are you disagreeing with?
 
> I use this condition (only with variable names changed) in more places
^ make a function. Make goddamn macro. Fix the problem.
 
These times websites are just "<Product name>\n\nA <description1...descriptionN>"
 
@MarkGarcia The main feature is "it looks pretty"
 
Otherwise it's not more functional than other mainstream distribs, IMO
 
8:20 AM
@orlp Fuck that logic.
Writing a program that actually does something useful /requires even more characters/. Gasp
 
@sehe when I said he's right I was referring to the fact that there's likely a shorter form because of the limited range
 
Whatever happened to programs are for humans, not for computer
 
@sehe well, the point of golfing is less characters :P
 
@sehe People tend to forget that
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Mint's pretty enough for me.
 
8:22 AM
@orlp I believe. I don't think I ever said something else.
 
@MarkGarcia Elementary has this OS X feel that a lot of people like
 
@ParkYoung-Bae good plan
@ParkYoung-Bae You could configure some DEs to look like OS X fairly easily but that's too much set-up for some people.
They really want money though
Patreon, a store, donation link to download
reminds me of Ubuntu a bit
 
Yeah. Goodbye!
Money hungry projects that rely significantly on free software tend to annoy me
 
@ParkYoung-Bae please do :)
 
It's OK to ask for contributions but they're too pushy IMO
 
8:31 AM
yeah I'm kinda getting that vibe too
 
I wish plonking covered the starboard as well :\
 
even cashing in on the bitcoin payments
Anyway while browsing for XFCE themes a long time ago I saw a lot of OS X look alikes
 
"We want your money and this is our open source and shiny new software."
 
morning
 
Good morning.
 
8:35 AM
OS X isn't that nice a theme by default IMO
I favour light on dark, rather than dark on light.
 
@thecoshman I just want something really minimal.
 
Use XFCE
 
More minimal. Something like Wingpanel Slim.
 
They took the "free software doesn't mean it's not paid" thing too seriously.
 
8:37 AM
Use i3.
 
I'm not such a nerd
(But yeah i3 is kind of tempting)
 
I've been using MATE recently.
 
Is it good
 
I like it I guess
 
I've been using blue screens recently
 
8:39 AM
It's not too different from XFCE though
 
@MarcoA. :b
 
XFCE is probably the nicest DE I've used though. Fairly minimal, runs fast, not very noisy, not annoying to use, and quite customisable.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae console?
 
@Rapptz Resource requirements wise is it heavy as fuck?
 
Not really.
I tried a lot of different DEs
like KDE, GNOME 3, Cinnamon, Unity, etc and they all felt sluggish to me.
especially KDE
holy hell
it's like everything has a hardcoded transition animation or something :v really bugged me but instead of looking into it I ditched it
 
8:45 AM
I like XFCE
it just works
 
ikr
 
KDE is obsessed with looking fancy
I might try XFCE
 
I didn't even check out customizability, because it lacked nothing
 
it's really really easy to customise
I was quite impressed how easy it was tbh
 
The main thing that gets to me about ubuntu/unity is the way they cripple features
 
8:47 AM
OpenBox?
 
haven't updated to Xfce 4.12 yet though
 
The best thing about Unity is their "Unity HUD" thing.
 
I get trying to have a clean interface, but come on, at least keep options available
 
I wish other DEs had that. It's neat.
 
I don't care much for their hud
I never really got much use out of it
 
8:48 AM
@Rapptz I can't stand unity, it's slow and the taskbar almost always requires 2 clicks to switch to something
 
it is nice to be able to hit duck then search for what I want to run
I don't find it slow, but then maybe I'm not used to fast :P
and dude, alt-tab or alt-backtick
 
@orlp I'm kinda disappointed by it too, but that's probably a personal preference
it feels heavy
 
@MarcoA. the taskbar is personal preference, the slowness is inexcusable
 
@orlp Yeah I don't like Unity outside of HUD.
 
it's a DE, not a fucking number crunching program
 
8:49 AM
oh, xfce might already use the icons that I have customised already :D
 
HUD is their stupid name for typing things in the context menu
like "Save file" etc.
 
oh that thing
yeah, never us it
 
oh that's another annoying thing
 
not even sure how to bring it up
oh, 'alt'
 
unity makes maximized windows into this weird "app feeling" with the bar on top
 
8:50 AM
oh ok, that is nice :D
 
Save file is a bad example but it's good for things in the context menu with no keyboard shortcut
 
I shaved and now I have much snot coming out my nose
 
@thecoshman shave off your nose
 
@Rapptz yeah, but I can imagine in GIMP or some other program that sort of thing being really nice to have
@orlp ... no
 
yeah definitely
 
8:52 AM
o_0 tempted to have my duck key mapped to play a duck quack sound...
 
@thecoshman I have my duck sound bound to winkey + Q(uack)
use it all the time
 
I have a duck key :D
 
when I need some quackin' in my life
 
because I'm quackers like that
 
Anything Gtk+ sucks for this: bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325150
Though I also use XFCE as it is bearable.
I would have used KDE but I hate the activities or whatsit.
Also, Gtk+ sucks because it is C.
They (Gtk+ using developpers) like totally do not check their return values and ignore all the error messages it spews on console.
 
8:57 AM
@wilx yeah that bugs me every so often
Wow that's an old bug.
 
@Rapptz Total disregard of users' wishes.
There are things that Windows got right.
Even KDE allows those operations in the Open/etc. dialogs.
 
looks like the perfect time to strike
Pull requests welcome!
 
@LucDanton I knew you'd say that
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It’s hilarious!
 
@LucDanton Someone already put out a patch apparently.
But the maintainer
 
9:01 AM
@Rapptz ...said it needs to be rebased or some such crap. Minimal cooperation or help from the maintainers.
 
lol I thought I finished that sentence
looked like I died
yeah the maintainer is asking for other people to 'fix' the patches before reviewing them. idgi.
 
It was very dramatic
 
When I get worthy patch to log4cplus it is always lacking something, like Windows support, necessary Makefiles changes, etc. I take it and finish it and apply it. I do not tell the dude who submitted it to just take it and make it perfect by my standards himself.
 
@wilx oh god that's annoying, but I'd say it's a feature request rather than a bug... but that's just admin talk :P
 
Oh, another thing, gThumb. Useful tool. But bug reports with patches (!) get ignored.
 
9:04 AM
I get asking for them to fix it because you might not have time in a large project
I wonder how it feels like to have so many issues backlogged
sounds like a pain
 
Also, now that I am ranting...
I have submitted this bug report including a debugging session pinpointing the issue: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1385624
 
3
Q: C++ errors with typedefs in a templated class

Nitzan TomerI'm trying to write a simple templated event dispatcher but I get compiler errors that I don't understand and searching for it resulted in nothing helpful. I'm using Visual Studio 2013 express. Here's my code: template<typename T> class EventDispatcher { public: typedef void (EventH...

Funny little question
 
Few weeks later they release a demo video with the bug (!) showing: youtube.com/watch?v=RbC0hcqZTrU&t=4m46s
 
I don't see a crash
 
@Rapptz 747 with no feedback :P
 
9:31 AM
hm
it appears my bank has nice budgeting tools
also got woken up by a phone from work today
guess what? Today is monday
 
It's actually Wednesday.
 
@Rapptz nonsense
 
Doesn't look like the usual slutty pimpy microsoft office paperclip
 
Also "Did you attempt to add the indicator-menu (global menu indicator)? Because that does not work, will crash like this, and is unsupported," yet they use the same indicator in the demo video.
 
how is a paperclip ever slutty
actually dont answer that
 
9:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
This JSON returned makes me so irrationally angry.
 
@Rapptz \u mad?
 
[ { "participant": { useful stuff here } }, { "participant": { useful stuff here } }, ... ]
 
lol, still working on the json parsing I see ....
 
9:38 AM
{ "deal":"with it" }
 
JSON parser is complete.
I'm using it now.
 
@Rapptz Sorry, wrong time stamp. It is at 0:46: youtube.com/watch?v=RbC0hcqZTrU&t=0m45s
@Rapptz Is it conforming? :)
 
Yes.
Actually the only non-conforming behaviour I have atm is allowing nan and inf.
 
user1804599
 
the only thing that makes me extra mad about json is no comments
 
9:44 AM
@Rapptz how about [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]‌​]]]]
This was our favorite test for json parsers
 
I see no reason why it wouldn't work.
 
@Rapptz reasonable time/memory?
 
I'll entertain you I guess.
sec I'll test it
 
i vaguely remember some json parsers choking on it for some reason
 
9:46 AM
> On some large test files your implementation takes 74 seconds and mine 0.06 seconds
lel
 
recursive array/object parsing could be a reason (for the crashes)
 
unmatched brackets
50 vs 35
 
Unmatched barteks?
3
 
unmatched brateks
 
9:47 AM
@Rapptz well, good job I suppose
where do I star it :)
 
If I actually fix it and make it 50 vs 50 it works (i.e. doesn't throw a parser_error).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz May I propose "StackedCrooked, The Cat and The Puppy"? It sounds a lot more similar to "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly".
 
Blondie Bartek
 
not all good people are slow ... I mean ... bad people can appear good when they do bad things too slowly
 
9:54 AM
derp cc @AlexM.
 
@Griwes He's the kind of guy that would cut everyone's hands off because some people use hands to do stuff he doesn't like.
 
> In February the Romanian embassy in Paris sent out invitations for a reception and accidentally attached a spreadsheet with unflattering descriptions of guests such as “undesirable” or “ghastly”.
7
Hahahahahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hugh
 
int (f)()
{
    return 42;
}

int (g())
{
    return 42;
}
lol C syntax
 
> It’s the second time in just over a month Romania’s foreign ministry has had to apologise for a mistake.
What champs.
 
9:57 AM
@FredOverflow i have no idea what that does pls explain
 
@Pris It defines two ordinary functions f and g with funny syntax.
 
So the extra paratheses do nothing?
 

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