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12:00 AM
My new avatar is fabulous.
 
user1804599
Just like me.
 
@sehe Yep, just looked at his profile description. The combination of unrecognizable (on my part) characters and a new avatar confused me.
 
@Nooble I can't speak lobster anyway.
 
@рытфолд loenst een beetje. Maar de gezichtsuitdrukking is de moeite waard
@MartinJames nayawy*
 
@MartinJames That's easy. Did you know that koalas and lobsters can intercommunicate?
 
12:01 AM
@sehe I may be drunk, but I can still edit reasonably quickly.
@Nooble Drop crustacean.
 
@MartinJames :P
 
@рытфолд You're f***in' exploiting bees? You racist!
 
> pan-glo-inter-ad-com-municate
 
@MartinJames Cheers
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Better to just sting and eat the bees directly.
 
12:09 AM
@JerryCoffin Sounds much more fair ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Wasp logic... :-)
 
> It doesn't take 5 Nobel Prize winning economists to tell you that the drug war is a failure.
 
@JerryCoffin Uncommonly I mostly love wasps and hornets
 
@sehe That depends on its real goal. I personally tend to think its goal was primarily to push the price of self medicating high enough that drug companies could remain (reasonably) competitive. I think to that degree it's largely succeeded. If, OTOH, the goal was to actually eliminate use of illegal drugs, then yes it's an obvious failure.
 
modern C http://icube-icps.unistra.fr/img_auth.php/d/db/ModernC.pdf
I'll just leave that here. I guess the star mongering will ensure that some brave souls review this text by Jens Gustedt
 
user1804599
12:15 AM
C. :(
 
@JerryCoffin I think it's objectively a failure in too many respects to warrant the joke :/
So many atrocities have been committed on behalf of this war...
 
^ Fuck the war. I'm self supplied :-P ...
 
@рытфолд Nice hat.
 
@sehe Why?
 
@sehe It's not a joke. At least in the US, I think it was instituted largely at the behest of pharmaceutical companies, and I think from their perspective it's largely been a success. For society as a whole, though I agree--it's been truly horrible.
 
12:18 AM
@LucDanton I'm not brave enough to look at it right now :/
Trying to head off to bed as usual
 
Ye but are we your reviewing crew now?
 
uhoh. if you want.
Hard to tell whether that was poker facing to make me nervous. (if so, it worked.)
 
@sehe NN, sleep well and have sweet dreams
 
user1804599
> The first bit of the bitset corresponds to the least significant digit of the number and the last bit corresponds to the most significant digit.
 
12:21 AM
@sehe G'night.
 
user1804599
That's unintuitive.
 
there is such a thing as "modern C"?
at least he opens with "Don't confuse C and C++".
 
Southampton player Matt Target went down today after an in-air collision. There again, Southampton are sponsored by Air Asia.
 
@Puppy Well, how often do you see int foo(i) int i; { … } nowadays?
 
@Puppy It's a bit like "modern Latin" -- a language that remains in use (in some contexts) specifically because it's dead, and in other contexts for the same reasons it is dead otherwise.
2
 
12:22 AM
lel
 
user1804599
D ftw.
 
@LucDanton That's an exceedingly liberal interpretation of "modern"
 
holy shit had the best cs go match ever <3
it was like 14 - 4 for the other guys, one of them was like "lol who on your team said easy when you won pistol round"
 
Good job <3
 
then we just started winning
none of them used awps for some reason :\
 
12:25 AM
@AlexM. I understand English (I think) and I recognize every one of those words except "cs"--but I still have no idea what that's supposed to men as a whole.
 
@JerryCoffin counter strike
 
@Puppy Why?
 
@Nooble I know
 
@JerryCoffin It's an FPS
 
I got an awp and kept pwining everyone throughout the rest of the game
at the last round it was just me and one guy, killed him
perfect way to end the day if there ever was one
 
12:26 AM
@Nooble Ah, I see (said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw).
 
@JerryCoffin I dunno. I think that drugs are a pretty serious problem that we should make an attempt to tackle. The War on Drugs doesn't seem fundamentally different to attitudes towards immigration/the poor/science/etc, just applied to drugs as well. Nothing more than attempting to eradicate problems by brute force, fearmongering, and pathetic justice bullshit.
 
@JerryCoffin What about the hammer made him see? (Hehehehehehe)
 
the only difference between the war on drugs and the war on teaching children evolution is that drugs are an actual problem with no obvious solution.
 
I liked it especially when they underestimated my ability to sit in place and watch the same spot for a whole minute :A
 
Meanwhile in Brighton
 
@AlexM. You can't really pwn people with an awp. It's just not a pwnable weapon. There is nothing entertaining about awps, either using them or having them used on you.
 
except I've won the match with it
 
that is pretty pointless
 
your weapon preferences are pointless
 
@sehe wtf**
 
12:29 AM
eh
 
there's a difference between preferring one weapon over another, and using a weapon that defeats the point of the game.
 
user1804599
Time to make sub id x do x end compile!
 
the point of CS is that you're supposed to be accurate at shooting other people and when you have an AWP you just don't need to be.
 
@LucDanton ah the reference to the **
 
12:30 AM
@Puppy I think we're (at least mostly) in agreement. They may well be (probably are). I'm certain not arguing that drug use should be encouraged or anything like that. At the same time, what has been done, and the way it's been done, has done vastly more harm than good.
 
@рытфолд I think it already does x end compile!
 
user1804599
:(
 
omg seeing the kids shutting up after half a match of random noises, so enjoyable
I need alcohol
to celebrate
 
disagree
 
user1804599
I should add an arbitrary special case to the identity function.
 
12:31 AM
@JerryCoffin That's completely true, but it's also true to that approach applied to many other problems and/or non-problems. I don't think the War on Drugs has been any bigger of a failure than the War on Terror or the War on Evolution or the War on Corporate Taxdodgers
 
@AlexM. So tempted to make shittylyptus joke here.
 
user1804599
sub id x
    require x <> 0
    do x end
 
user1804599
Like that.
 
@Puppy Fair enough.
 
but at least drugs are an actual problem.
unlike evolution.
 
12:32 AM
that's pending verdict
 
@Puppy Do you mean the war against teaching evolution in schools, or the war to keep it from happening (preserving endangered species, for example)?
 
@JerryCoffin In what other language are we supposed to summon monsters?
 
ursus aren't monstri
 
@Nooble That obviously depends on the nationality of the monsters you want to summon. For an obvious example, if you wish to summon a Chinese dragon, you probably want to use Chinese to do so.
 
ursii nu sunt monstri
 
12:36 AM
simplified, or Mandarin?
 
user1804599
Orange.
 
user1804599
urbi et orbi
 
@sehe Do you want to summon a simple minded monster?
 
makes sense
 
@AlexM. nec tu Brute
 
user1804599
12:36 AM
urbi is urban
 
@JerryCoffin very much
 
user1804599
orbi is orb aka globe
 
user1804599
ROME AND THE WORLD
 
@sehe Then probably simplified.
 
user1804599
 
 
I'll try to summon a latin monster using romanian
 
user1804599
Bye.
 
Bye.
 
@AlexM. If memory serves, I've read that Romanian is much closer to classic Latin than modern Italian is, so that seems reasonable.
 
also is the red blob rightfold
 
12:38 AM
That's what I asked! - And also that's not a blob
 
@рытфолд Later.
 
'Tis a special ghost.
 
@AlexM. That's a ghost. The kind from Pac Man (or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof).
But yes, that's Rightfold (rendered in Cyrillic).
 
its building but it shouldnt build i dont have the deps why is it building
 
12:43 AM
@Nooble by that you mean you took a bath in bleach? :P
 
blasphemy
 
@JerryCoffin ooh, you're right
 
@Borgleader Koalas are known to take baths in bleach quite often as a ritual.
 
it is from pacman
now where is that alcohol
I may go down with a shredded liver but at least I'll do it joyfully
 
Ell
I'm intoxbifst
You guys are gr8
You are gr8est
 
12:50 AM
That'll do it… http://aaronbleyaert.tumblr.com/post/109959086957
 
Koal80 is another way to say quality, everyone please start using it.
 
koal-eighty?
eeeh kinda
 
I am not fit for purpose
 
I wish it were easier to make screenshots of the awesome/funnny android upgrade screens
 
are there funny android upgrade screens?
all I see is a htc logo :\
 
12:53 AM
System upgrades that is
 
@AlexM. 'Battery consumption reduced by 0.5%, (unless running anything).
 
bad picture, off the web
 
Damnit I'd like some real friendship right now.
 
what functionality does upgrading remove
 
Like being able to talk about everything.
How do you do dis
 
12:58 AM
friend classes are a code smell
 
You just do
 
refactor
until you dont need any friends
 
@Jefffrey I thought that was what the Lounge was for?
 
oops. we'll tell him someday
when he's sober
 
@sehe yeah I don't see those
 
12:59 AM
did you buy your android in an Apple store
 
@Jefffrey I'm your best friend.
 
@sehe no, but all upgrades are covered by a loading bar with the HTC logo
it's not stock android anyway
 
I'd like someone like you all, just IRL.
> It's a frame of reference problem. Most of us have never experienced love, so we have no idea how to feel about it. To us, it doesn't exist. We feel lonely because we are palpably alone. We feel forever alone because it has always been thus and there is little or no hope it will ever change.
 
la condition humaine; même divine:
 
I'm sober
 
1:01 AM
I miss the Crusades. That was when I felt the most loved.
 
I knew I made the right choice when I got this wine
so nice
@sehe I like divine memes
 
An old question, but I posted a new answer as I think it is useful. — RichardOD Oct 1 '09 at 11:51
Back in the day when a question was deemed old when it was mere months old
 
I like how minecraft+shaders brings my system to its knees. Looks so good but 38 FPS.
 
C# is really becoming F#: i.imgur.com/eg8VVWu.png
 
> This may look like nonsense, but it really is
 
1:15 AM
user image
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That's just so damn nerdy
 
Ell
Das Allison doitchland
Das Allison veer
Das Allison doitchland
All is veer
All is veer
Schumaker
 
This is bullshit right? ("since C++11 we are allowed to overload functions in the std namespace")
 
I see no evidence in [namespace.std] that C++03's restrictions have been loosened, though I didn't look much further than that.
 
Yep, it is.
 
Ell
1:31 AM
Das allison doitchland
Erx. Etc.
 
I guess what he meant is that since C++ implementations are guaranteed to use ADL when calling std::swap
 
I don't know
 
doubt it
you qualified it as std::swap
 
but the claim that you can overload functions in std namespace is false
 
yeah I shouldn't have qualified it
"... when looking up the swap function"
 
"so everybody please do it in C++98 too because every sane compiler will allow it"
what the actual fuck
 
yeah
 
@AndyProwl some templates can be specialized for UDTs (obviously that's done in the declaring namespace)
 
@sehe specialized, yes. But you cannot add overloads
 
1:34 AM
see this is another problem with this plague of "video lectures" on programming .... it's very difficult to prevent the spread of dangerous misinformation. it's not like you can downvote claims therein
 
ITT information without downvote buttons considered dangerous
 
> "since C++11 we are allowed to overload functions in the std namespace" at 35m 22s ... ehm, no?! No, we're not! Mark goes on to say "so everybody please do it in C++98 too because every sane compiler will allow it" which is just incredibly irresponsible, even if we ignore the fact that it's still prohibited in C++11. And C++14. And C++1y. Total misinformation, I'm afraid. Is there some way of putting out an erratum, to correct the damage done?
<3 YouTube comments
 
And yes, they can annotate over that particular spot in the video, which is what usually happens
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I see the problem you're pointing at, but I think "plague" is a bit exaggerated. There are several useful talks online, and I've learned a lot watching them. Books have similar limitations in this regard, I would say.
The problem is when someone who doesn't know much starts giving bad guidelines in talks or by publishing books.
 
Bullschildt
 
1:40 AM
Right
Sometimes it also happens that someone who does know much pulls out a new guideline because there is something appealing about it, but without thinking too carefully (see Herb with his "take const& by default")
I think it is ultimately our responsibility to keep our brain switched on and take nothing for granted
 
@AndyProwl Mmm. I'm not so sure I'm willing to follow you there :)
 
about Herb you mean?
 
Nope. It was the predictable reaction
@AndyProwl And yeah, at the time this was "invented" it was certainly not just Herb saying it and might have been pretty important with the state of compilers
 
@sehe I believe it's a good rule of thumb. Don't believe Y because X said so, but because of the good arguments behind Y.
 
:) Don't get all smart with arguments. It was a joke!
 
1:44 AM
@sehe "At the time this was invented" makes it sounds old. This is quite a new thing
 
@AndyProwl When was that? I think I read those things in ~1998
 
@sehe Last year at CppCon
 
huh. about shared_ptr<T> const& perhaps?
 
@sehe ah. Forgive me, sometimes I have this problem of not understanding things
 
@AndyProwl How do you know you learnt correctly?
 
1:46 AM
@AndyProwl Because I'm pretty sure that was in an "Ask The Panel" between Herb, Scott and Alexej at CppCon 2012
 
@sehe Not just that. Any T. His default guideline (for setters): take by const&
 
@AndyProwl Yeah or his "almost-always auto" bullshite
 
@sehe Nope, it was in Back To the Essentials (2014)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like that one :P
 
@AndyProwl Figures.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, how do you know you learnt correctly from a book?
 
1:47 AM
@AndyProwl I don't. Who said anything about books?
 
Andy did
 
(Well, since you mentioned it, there tends to be stronger peer review on the well known C++ books, than on some programming talk at some conference that you found on YouTube)
 
That's true
But bad errors still sneak in - see Bjarne books
 
Or Meyers
 
1:49 AM
I think it's not very helpful to obsess over error-freeness
I like cppreference for this kind of reason though
I find it's remarkably good. Far less contested than, say, the average SO answer
Of course that's apples and pears
 
Yep
 
I should go to sleep
It's 3 AM already
 
sleep(9*3600);
 
can't sleep that much
 
1:52 AM
why not are you ill
 
I need to see a doctor tomorrow morning
 
and I don't know exactly when
 
on a sunday?
 
1:52 AM
how do you know when to turn up then
 
I'm not ill, I just have health problems Kind of
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's the point. I'll get up around 8 and wait for him
 
In my country you make an appointment. So you turn up at a specific, pre-arranged time.
And then you wait for three hours whilst he catches up with his backlogged patients.
 
Yes, I know
He's my father's colleague - my father's a doctor
He happens to live in the same building
 
So he's like just showing up at your house randomly at an unknown time as a favour, kind of thing?
 
Yes
 
1:54 AM
I see
What kind of doctor is he?
 
Let me find the English word
 
Italian will be fine
 
German more likely
 
Otolaryngologist
I have vertigo
tinnitus and stuff
 
1:56 AM
All right, hitting the bed now. Night guys
 
nn
 
Hello.
Goodbye.
 
bye Andy; good luck tomorrow
hi Rapptz
bye Rapptz
 
bye Tomalak Sr.
 
wat
poor empress
 
1:58 AM
Alex discovers 2004 Engrish blogs.
 
how can you tell this is from 2004
 
cos tahts what the Chinese writing says, dumbo !!!!
 
Wow. How many sock puppets do you have?
 
is this the cicada dude
 
2:02 AM
no. but I think the "just an XML girl in a JSON world" was a wellknown user here
So either copy-cat or re-labeled. Dunno who
 
it was LRiO
 
I thought that.
I actually checked last time (a week or so ago)
Just an XML girl in a JSON world.
 
yesterday, by Martin James
That's pretty conclusive.
don't start this accusatory bullshit again
 
:(
you guys should just be happy
always sad :(
 
you guys ever think the committee would consider defining a build system for c++
i cant handle all these makefiles and autotools makes me cry
 
2:06 AM
No, I never think that.
 
C++ describes an abstract machine
a build system would be wildly off-topic
plus I don't see why you think it would magically be better than makefiles and autotools
nn again
 
yesterday, by sehe
199 messages. I can't keep up anymore
 
good night lighness
 
close enough
 
@Pris Use python + ninja.
Be a man.
 
2:08 AM
its not my projects that are the problem, its other peoples stuff
 
why are you complaining
 
@Pris Good. Rage is a soothing thing
 
just do ./configure and then make whatever
 
because porting and dependencies and shitty build configs
 
oh. that.
 
2:10 AM
interoperability with other projects is a joke
 
alcohol is bad for you
 
like seriously, all these build systems; cmake, qmake, gyp, scons, autotools, ninja, etc... just so annoying to deal with
 
Adjective: larmoyant m (feminine larmoyante, masculine plural larmoyants, feminine plural larmoyantes)
  1. teary, tearful
  2. larmoyant (comparative larmoyanter, superlative am larmoyantesten)
Verb: larmoyant
  1. Present participle of larmoyer.
 
i should stop bitching though im being a negative nancy
 
call head hunter
 
2:27 AM
isnt this some sort of c++ chat roroo m somthing
 
Well, we have a focus on pizza.
 
To make you well
If you need help
Give me reasons to believe, that you would do the same for me... and I will do it for you, for you....
baby I'm not moving on, I'll love you long after you've gone
you'll never sleep alone
 
2:56 AM
Yet again, my habit of answering late keeps me from gaining any reputation... :-|
0
A: C++ appears to be significantly slower than both Python Ruby for Project Euler

Jerry CoffinYour code has another serious problem--much more serious than map vs. unordered_map (at least IMO). In particular, where you do: int result = square_lookup[(i*i) + (j*j)]; if(result) { int perimeter = i + j + result; if(perimeter <= 1000) { occurences[perimeter] += 1; } } ...

 
3:06 AM
@JerryCoffin don't you have enough rep already? :D
 
Rep is like money, the more you have the more you want, just look at Jon Skeet.
 
@melak47 Probably more than enough--but the answer deserves more, so somebody reading it will read it and learn something instead of dismissing it because it has such a low score.
 
fiiine, have an upvote :)
 
@melak47 Legions of future readers thank you in absentia! :-)
Well, with that I think I'm off to have some supper. TTYAL.
 
enjoy
heh. there's an article on msdn that describes how to draw your own crap on the title bar, like chrome and firefox do for tabs. and it actually works :D
 
3:27 AM
@melak47 link plz
ive been wondering how those are done
 
in a nutshell: DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea(...) and returning 0 from WM_NCCALCSIZE when wparam == true
then windows draws the frame for you, but your client area is now the whole window including frame, and you can draw whatever you want on top
 
4:23 AM
I am still waiting for the day Microsoft allows developers to make their own window manager.
 
4:37 AM
@Nican I don't suppose you can just replace dwm.exe :p
 
5:09 AM
@JerryCoffin Super supper.
 
@AndyProwl And this is supposed to be actually bad advice because... move constructors are a thing? /cc @sehe
 
5:38 AM
whats a sensible way of calculating a file's size?
 
boost/std::filesystem::file_size(...)
 
6:21 AM
XML or JSON?
 
XJSON
 
JSAML
 
@VictorLopez you were developing a UI right?
 
@Pris Yes
 
@VictorLopez i found this tizen project download.tizen.org/misc/media/conference2014/slides/…
seems really promising. documentation doesnt exist, but the source seems p decent. I managed to compile it and its quite similar to QtQuick/QML. its apache2 as well
 
6:32 AM
Good frame for reference. It seems amazing. I'm developing a header-only solution for UI, Networking, Audio and Video. The video and audio modules will require some compiled modules by the way but the aim is to stay with minimal dependencies.

Is it cross-platform?
Also, has anyone used message pack?
 
it has an 'adaptor' module that it uses for platform support. right now i think its tizen and linux through EFL (i tried the latter).
but adapting it to other platforms seems to be pretty reasonable; it needs an event loop and all that. better documentation would help but i couldnt get the docs to build right
I feel like if there was an adaptor for SDL instead, then that would be decent cross platform support right there (android, ios, etc)
also if you want to check it out its a huge pain in the ass to use git because you have to sign up for a tizen dev account
but you can go directly to the URL in your browser and download an archived snapshot immediately
 
6:54 AM
@Pris I am not able to get the code as stated in the document. I created an account and does not authenticate. As it seems, the source can be downloaded from tizen. It looks a bit obscure.
@Pris There is no documentation, the framework looks amazing.
@Pris Does it perform good?
 
@VictorLopez cant really gauge performance because i have a dedicated card on a 3ghz i3... so everything runs ridiculously fast anyway
@VictorLopez you can get snapshots directly from the git web interface: review.tizen.org/git/?p=platform/core/uifw/dali-core.git;a=tree
also wrt performance: given that its being built for tizen devices (specifically it has backends for smart tvs too) im assuming they're at least somewhat performance conscious. i dunno how it would compare to qtquick, etc
 
@Pris Good to know about Dali. I think I'll just take the OpenGL code. Good them apples.
@Pris Thanks for the info. I'll be working on it. Right now I'm trying to figure how to implement the theme implementation for UI assets, by now, the code I'm writing uses C++11/14 and CImg but no openGL, I'll give you an example.
@Pris This is all you need for a GUI app with websockets. code
@Pris It should work for all major platforms and the mobile platforms, Android, Blackberry, IOS, WP8 will be added later due to their app entry point. The filesystem util adds directories, checks for files, gives you the full file path, almost everything you need from a filesystem util. It uses dirent.h, available in all platforms but Windows, it uses a custom dirent that someone created, until std::filesystem comes out it will stay like that.
Still, I'm 1 - 2 weeks away from full app deployment. After it can create at least a small video game (I have the code for some arcanoid-llke game written with the lib) I would be migrating into 3d and skeletal animations.

The javascript interpreter is also coded but I have not tested it. There is no SSL yet but there will be soon after I fix the theme implementation. Themes are just that, themes. A folder structure with an XML or a JSON, I think I'll be using messagePack for this but I need to translate it into header-only because nobody likes to add extra files in their build set.
@Pris Won't the students at the institute I will be delivering this framework either.
 
7:39 AM
@VictorLopez Yes. It is pretty alright, but not perfect. I also there is a subtle bug in there somewhere.
 
7:51 AM
@VictorLopez bit verbose with all the shared_ptrs there. couldn't you auto that? :D
 
@Nican That's a pretty interesting development stage.
@melak47 Well, yes, you're right :)
 
or is your widget_pool::create returning owning raw pointers?! :p
 
@melak47 Actually it is only a template static class code The purpose is to protect the constructors from the widget class to be instantiated and deliver only a holder for the programmer to manipulate their transformations, themes and events.
This is the texture pool and the filesystem header
 
on MSVC at least, you could use the included filesystem v2 or v3 :)
at your own risk :p
@VictorLopez do you have to know the resolution before loading a texture? does it resample it if you pass something that doesn't match the actual resolution?
 
8:12 AM
@melak47 The widget class and the texture class Are only tested with png and whenever you set the dimension the texture gets resized via a delegate
 
cool
 
I'm working with the on_theme_set delegate right now in order to load the assets for each widget. Each widget has different states, pressed, hover, released, that will be defined in JSON or messagePack format. A gui tool for managing these would be good but that'll come later.
 
8:49 AM
For the first time ever, I almost ran out of memory on my new rig. I should probably be a bit more careful about hitting my "compile all" script when I'm running something in the background.
 
@Mysticial what were you running in the background?
 
@melak47 A test case for a bug that someone filed earlier today.
Needs 58 GB to repro.
 

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