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12:00 AM
I think @πάνταῥεῖ just likes boobs.
 
Anne was not impressed with my V. day gift. She really likes Refreshers, so I got her a pack. Aparrently, I was expected to do more:(
 
I'm just overly sarcastic sometimes, even if women are affected ...
And I very hate to make PC statements!
 
Ell
@MartinJames heh
 
@MartinJames Did you get her a box of chocolates?
Everyone likes a box of chocolates.
 
@Nooble You well caught it somehow ...
 
12:02 AM
@Nooble I got Refreshers. I thought it was a bit extravagant: it was a 4-pack.
 
@MartinJames I helped gf with her horse today. She said she appreciates it much more than dumb consumption.
 
@MartinJames What'd she give you?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm a VOY-hater, sue me.
 
@Nooble As inb4 everyone likes Koalas?
 
@Blob A high-velocity 4-pack of Refreshers:(
 
12:03 AM
All I have to spend my valentines with is my buggy raytracer xD
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Everyone does like koalas.
@theoemms Attaboy!
 
@JohanLarsson gf Is gonna help me with my horse
ohoohohoohohohohoohhoohohhoohhohhhohohoh
 
@MartinJames :C
 
@JohanLarsson Horsey girls. Hmm.. always pretty hot, but the maintenance:(
 
@theoemms You had some nice valentine hearts traced out from it? Show the results pleas.
 
12:05 AM
@MartinJames You got her something that fizzes in her mouth?
 
@MartinJames What's that? Beer?
 
@Nooble Later..
 
strong knees eh wot
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a candy that fizzes in your mouth.
 
12:06 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I could probably get a cardioid by rendering into an open cylinder
 
@Nooble I'm stressing out
 
@MartinJames Upside is that it takes much time and when she gets home she is to tired to want to have ~quality time~ or wtf they call it :) (umgås in Swedish)
 
I wish I wish they let me do it in C++
But, my uni make us all use Python
 
Someone's making you code a ray tracer?
 
12:07 AM
Yeah
I'm a physics student
 
I'm making myself make a ray tracer.
 
I did once
I was hoping I could reuse it
 
@JohanLarsson These Refreshers are not the swedish refreshers!
 
Quite the masochistic I must be, to stay up all night trying to get a damn reflection of a box.
 
It's not a graphical one, so you don't propagate from the camera
 
12:08 AM
@CaptainGiraffe I don't understand.
 
Yeah, that's how I feel
 
@theoemms Oh. Those sound way easier.
 
There's not much difference
 
@JohanLarsson Never stopped Sandie - she was awesome. Unfortunately, she was awesome with 'more than I', so dead.
 
But, mine models dispersion so you get chromatic aberrations in refracted light.
So, you can do prismy stuff
 
12:10 AM
Err. not literally..
 
user1804599
Nice. So if a field has size 63 and another field has size 1 and alignment 1 it'll put them both in the same 64 bytes.
 
50 öre each
 
@райтфолд Needs packed
 
user1804599
alignment fool
 
12:12 AM
@Nooble never write a raytracer in Python. Especially if you wan't your code to make any sense.
 
@райтфолд Do we really need to relive the vector fiasco?
 
user1804599
I don't see how std::vector<bool> is relevant.
 
.. or whatever pragma works on your compiler.
 
user1804599
This is bytes not bits.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames I am implementing a compiler.
 
12:13 AM
std::vector<bool> seems so horrible if you think about it for long enough
 
user1804599
And the language I'm implementing doesn't define the memory layout so I can do whatever I want.
 
@райтфолд OK, so you get to implement the pragmas.
 
@theoemms Why?
 
Packed structs/unions are very useful, (to me, anyway).
 
Well, now that I think about it actually...
 
user1804599
12:15 AM
For serialisation and deserialisation?
 
omggggggggggg
 
user1804599
Should be a library's job where the library in question is not std::memcpy.
 
@Nooble it's just the fact that it's 8 times the size it could be in a perfect worls
 
user1804599
More like Python's struct module.
 
12:16 AM
@райтфолд Yes - I/O and driver stuff.
 
user1804599
I don't target that.
 
I'm still just nodding about that "misogynity" accusation. I love women (not just because of they have boobs).
I'm always disappointed, how they're presented on various media, and how much that presentation is lacking to look just behind their boobs. Don't get me misunderstood, of course I like boobs (as @Nooble got that well), but there's much more important things, that are needed to attract me.
I'm feeling way sad, that my daughter now starts to make more thoughs about her boobs growing, and how that will affect the lads around in her world (I'm so happy she's at a girls only school), i
 
@πάνταῥεῖ OMG :(
 
I think we all have to make a conscious effort to see women as people, and not define their worth in terms of their breasts.
 
@BenjaminBannier: Why would you discard a perfectly compliant compiler? That seems wasteful. — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
 
12:19 AM
@theoemms Of course!
 
@theoemms Never knew this. Shouldn't std::vector<bool> only take up 1 byte per member?
 
It does
But, you could store a bool in a bit
 
Hoi everyone did u kno
 
@Nooble It takes up 1 bit per member. That's why it exists: it's a specialisation to make that magic happen.
 
Wait...
 
12:20 AM
C# is an exact copy of java with 1 exception: its name
 
@Nooble Unfortunately it does so at the expense of sanity.
 
^ so many things wrong in that statement yet paradoxically accurate
 
@theoemms That's not true whatsoever.
 
Wait Vector squashes them into bits?
 
@theoemms That "we all" turns me off. I lead by example, and do not connect with your statement at all.
 
12:21 AM
@DonLarynx Are you still quoting things without actually quoting them?
 
This makes me so happy
 
@theoemms Yes.
 
I had no idea
 
@theoemms It shouldn't. vector<bool> sucks.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no wtf? these are my words
did u kno that?
 
12:21 AM
@CaptainGiraffe Oh yeah, hence the issue.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not any more (right?)
 
@DonLarynx ok so you're ... saying something, then immediately saying that there are "so many things wrong" with it? Weird
@Ell Eh?
 
no u didn't and now u do <######### (translated: ,333333333) now append and swap after charArray[1] = <333333333333<333333333 @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@DonLarynx Even C# 1.0 differed more than that (and the two have diverged significantly since).
 
was it removed in C++14 or something
 
Ell
12:22 AM
they fixed(are fixing?) the iterator issue in c++14/17 I think.
I'm not entirely sure.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
Ell
but now *Iterator only needs to be convertible to T
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes then what
 
Ell
not necessarily actually a T&, therefore proxy values are allowed
 
@MartinJames That blanket statement is at best redundant, and likely counter productive.
 
Ell
12:22 AM
I think.
 
TBH, who needs to iterate an array of bits?
 
brb I have a java assignment with using the StringBuilder class....ok and then I google "C# stringbuilder" only to see it has exactly the same features....
 
Ell
Not sure if the implementation is actually fixed in c++14 though
 
@MartinJames Anyone who uses std::bitset.
 
@CaptainGiraffe but don't you think we all have to try and reduce the inequality facing women?
 
12:23 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then nothing. Nothing was "fixed" about vector<bool>.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit who needs to iterate a vector of bits?
 
Do people actually like YAML?
Outside of @Ell anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then what is Ell talking about, is what I'm asking
 
@πάνταῥεῖ welcome.....to puberty
 
@Rapptz Yeah it's okay
 
12:24 AM
I've seen a lot of posts advocating for it but it seems awful.
 
@MartinJames Nobody
@Rapptz How come?
 
user1804599
 
@райтфолд MCVE plz
 
@MartinJames Can be quite handy for some purposes (e.g., Sieve of Eratosthenes/Atkin).
 
I like pancakes.
 
user1804599
12:24 AM
@Rapptz I don't. I like XML.
 
@theoemms Of course. I try to have my actions judged by "What is a good example set by me here and now".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The indentation and strange syntax regarding - bugs me personally.
 
@DonLarynx Yeah! I'm expecting hard times. She'll get 12 this year actually :-P ...
 
@DonLarynx Ewww don't say that word!
 
@CaptainGiraffe Do you set that good example by not judging women's worth by their breasts? If so then we agree.
 
12:25 AM
@Rapptz ok
 
Ell
I though the issue with std::vector<bool> was that when you dereference an iterator you don't get a bool&?
 
@Ell Pretty much
 
@Ell The proxies have always been there, and that is actually one of the reasons vector<bool> is a bad specialisation.
 
@Nooble Are you just stuck in there??
 
@Ell I don't see how you can fix that without removing the std::vector<bool> specialisation, which hasn't occurred, so...
 
12:26 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Koalas go through puberty at the age of 18 months.
 
Ell
Wait a minute. I misspoke
 
@Ell There's no way to do so while keeping the specialisation.
 
Ell
I thought the issue was that you did get a bool&
 
It should have been std::dynamic_bitset rather than std::vector<bool>.
 
Ell
which is broken because you can't have a reference to a bit
 
12:27 AM
@theoemms Indeed I do. I also recognise that I have stuff in my brain that goes on a terabit wire, while my good judgement only has a measely GB lan.
 
Ell
but obviously I misunderstood
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked coliru should have a feature to export to gist.
 
Ell
what is the problem with a proxy, then?
 
@Nooble No, it's 3-4 years.
 
Ell
If you can treat it as if it's a bit
 
12:28 AM
2 mins ago, by Ell
I though the issue with std::vector<bool> was that when you dereference an iterator you don't get a bool&?
 
@Nooble You're just soooo cuddly, I can't tell ...
 
@Ell The problem with the proxy has to do with the fact that std::vector is supposed to be a container but the specialisation breaks the conventions set forth by what a container is supposed to do.
 
Ell
@Rapptz Oh yeah of course
 
Not a problem with a proxy per se, just the design of std::vector<bool> as a whole.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Koalas are known for their deceiving abilities.
 
Ell
12:29 AM
it breaks the requirements of std::vector is what you're saying?
ie, contiguous storage
 
user1804599
It's a special case and that's why it's terrible.
 
user1804599
Just like void.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did you know that koalas are known to kill Blue Whales?
 
It just ruins the expectations of what a container is making it bad for generic programming.
 
@Ell It breaks the requirements on vector<anything-but-bool>.
 
12:29 AM
@Nooble yes I heard that
 
Ell
I understand why it is terrible now
 
@CaptainGiraffe Nice metaphor! I don't see why my original statement turned you off...
 
@theoemms It excludes me as a sane man. It makes rational sentiments and solutions invalidated. imo
 
@Ell std::vector<bool> doesn't store contiguously? I thought it stores its members as contiguous bits...
 
Yes of course it does
 
Ell
12:32 AM
@Nooble &v[0] + n != &v[n]
 
I used a vector<bool> as an experiment for a huffman encoder. That is one piece of code my torturer will show me to make me confess.
 
Ell
("not necessarily contiguous", not "not contiguous" also I meant)
 
although technically the standard doesn't require anything other than "a space-optimized representation of bits"
 
@CaptainGiraffe I personally don't have any difficulty judging women's worth as I judge men's. But, I feel the need to be critical of myself, so I continue to make a conscious effort.
 
@DonLarynx what is "kno"? what is "u"?
 
12:33 AM
> There is no requirement that the data be stored as a contiguous allocation of bool values.
 
@Ell That's because &v[0] gets the address from the proxy.
 
though that doesn't say anything about whether the bits are contiguous (And of course they are)
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes right
 
@Nooble The only problem I actually can see is, that you're confusing yourself being a young lad aged 14 with a koala bear. But I'm pretty sure that will correct itself over time. You're intelligent enough to leave that mar behind in your evolution.
 
@theoemms Indeed a concious effort has to be applied so it becomes part of the norm.
 
12:34 AM
@sehe Perl is a soft-typed language.
So is my grammar on the weekends.
 
> soft-typed
'nuff said
 
@CaptainGiraffe I suppose I believe if every man made an effort then society would be nicer for my friends, who I really worry about,
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm a robot with 27 years of uptime, confusing itself by thinking it is a human.
 
Perl is a squishy type language.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I find that if you force everybody to apply a conscious effort to create a new social norm, you'll end up with the opposite effect.
 
12:35 AM
@CaptainGiraffe I think that was all I was trying to day
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm absolutely certain that I'm a (very) old koala.
 
user1804599
Perl is great.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Agreed.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Confusion is the secret to 27 years of uptime.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Okay, well, that's the opposite of what you just said.
 
Ell
12:36 AM
Should wrapper objects holding opaque handles be moveable into and out from?
I feel like they shouldn't be if I want to treat them as if they are values
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yep, my bad.
 
@CaptainGiraffe top kek
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think any forcing should have to happen. I think the media needs to reevaluate what is appropriate to broadcast as roles for young women, and what to set as an expectation for men
 
@Nooble So what do you think about female koalas actually? Tell us please.
 
P0W
12:37 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ lol
 
@theoemms I don't think we want to give mass media the important role of training men and women on desired social norms
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit they do it already
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was considering a consciousness on a personal level moving into the public memes.
 
Just be nice to women and men equally, tell people off if they don't, and tell your friends to do the same. It'll spread.
 
@sehe soft is synanymous with weak, did u kno this? DID YOU?!?!??!!?!?
 
12:38 AM
> Because of his much larger size, a male can usually force himself on a female, mounting her from behind, and in extreme cases the male may pull the female out of the tree. A female may scream and vigorously fight off her suitors, but will submit to one who is dominant, or who is more familiar.
 
@Nooble lol wtf
 
@theoemms Right, and it's bad. So let's not encourage them or desire for them to do it more.
 
Not me at all.
 
@Nooble yeah u weaking
 
Is it just me or is Don the new Cicada?
 
12:39 AM
@Nooble lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He needs a funnier name for that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit only on the weekeends
sry
not sry
 
@AsteroidsWithWings ?
 
@AsteroidsWithWings oh hey sexy
 
user1804599
12:40 AM
ok
 
And also, @DonLarynx would need to get banned a couple of times for him to become Cicada.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I live with a whole load of 19 year olds in halls. Their view on women can leave a lot to the imagination. Any attempt to reason with them and tell them it's wrong will be laughed at. They cannot just be askded to be nice, they exist in the world the media dreamt up for them.
 
@Nooble backs away, slowly...
 
Asteroids on steroids?
 
no gifs
 
12:41 AM
^ ha
 
user1804599
So now when you have a struct with an integral field it will inline the integer.
 
user1804599
Instead of storing a pointer to a boxed integer.
 
@theoemms Giggle!
 
I haven't been here long enough to know the real identity of this sock puppet, although I assume it's LRiO's.
 
@theoemms I'm sorry.
Tell them to listen to Coach Corey Wayne (SERIOUS)
 
12:42 AM
@DonLarynx I'll check it out
 
@theoemms Please do. Your dating life will take a 180 degree turn, if it sucks.
but it requires effort OBVIOUSLY
 
user1804599
I like how you can customise object identity in Perl 6.
 
@theoemms It's their parents' fault, not the media.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wrong wrong wrong wrong/...
 
12:43 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@DonLarynx hello there
 
@AsteroidsWithWings whats your name whats your sign
 
i dont understand don
 
@AsteroidsWithWings can I take you hooome girrrllllll can I take you home?
 
12:44 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Whoever's fault it is, something needs to change in a bigger way to change what's going on.
 
@AsteroidsWithWings homer hides in hedge gif
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Serious remark: it's the media and the parents.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit @Lightness Cm'on disclose! Are you driving any sock puppets actually?
 
@theoemms Oh brother. You know, the more group A tries to force a behaviour out of group B, the more group B rebels.
 
Mostly the media if the parents aren't loving.
 
12:45 AM
And, frankly, group A doesn't have a right to dictate anything.
But we can tut loudly.
After a few generations, osmosis will get us where you want us to be.
@πάνταῥεῖ No....?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not saying force anyone. I'm saying that everyone needs to be making a significant effort to lead by example.
 
@DonLarynx Right, so it's the parents' fault for not being loving and not taking responsibility. i.e. what I said.
@theoemms "needs to" Under penalty of what? Sounds like forcing to me.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good so, me neither! Just expected to hear/read that!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Asteroids guy.
 
P0W
@DonLarynx Better ask ASL lol
 
12:46 AM
Who is he/she! Tell me!
 
@Nooble Now why does that have to be a "sockpuppet" just because it's a woman?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Needs to in order for equality to happen. The penalty is objectification of women.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit BUT if they are loving to each other and the son/daughter, there is a much higher chance the child will become non-dysfunctional with respect to loving others.
 
@theoemms ok
@DonLarynx Yes.
 
12:47 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "why does that have to be a "sockpuppet" just because it's a woman?" That's a real sexist view!
 
And it's up to the media's influence on the child, which will be severely reduced. :)
 
@DonLarynx agreed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Huh? I was looking at his/hers profile description.
 
ban(tv);
 
12:47 AM
@Nooble I was trollcusing you of sexism
keep up
 
*ban(tv);
 
@πάνταῥεῖ My point exactly
 
@theoemms Error: inaccessible member data is inaccessible.
 
P0W
@LightnessRacesinOrbit +1
 
you guise talk too fast
 
12:48 AM
@theoemms No, just watch consciously!
 
P0W
lol
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I was just playing with the missing semicolon. I don't think tv should be banned :P
 
@AsteroidsWithWings Oh, I always was too lame to master Asteroids :-P ...
 
@AsteroidsWithWings ASL?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Consider me trollcused.
@AsteroidsWithWings Who are you!? Tell me! Slap
 
12:50 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just think that people need to start producing more media that shows women and men as beautiful in other ways.
 
P0W
@AsteroidsWithWings Did you accidentally enter for chocolate :/ ?
 
the chat says my name
 
@AsteroidsWithWings DSL?
 
@AsteroidsWithWings Tell me your real identity! Slap
 
12:51 AM
Physical attractiveness is a hugely important part of life, right across the animal kingdom. Although I'm all for making ugly people less sad, I don't buy into this "everyone wins" crap.
And the notion that the brain you happened to be born with is more important than the fit face you happened to be born with is kind of weird
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit maybe in the spirit world (lol jjk, how do I underline across words?0
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You can improve you brain. G2g
 
lol jk
 
@theoemms You can improve your face.
 
nooble i am scared
 
12:54 AM
@DonLarynx and plonk
 
@AsteroidsWithWings Ahh so you're Scared? Now, you see! Wasn't that hard to tell me your name!
 
@Nooble touche
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "I'm all for making ugly people less sad ..." They'll probably have other qualities beyond their physical attractiveness, and these might be much more worth being acheived and conveyed!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I agree, only if they are confident about themselves.
Otherwise no one cares.
 
Ell
I want to draw a diagram showing the linux graphics "stack" but I have no idea where to start >.<
I guess the kernel
 
12:56 AM
@DonLarynx Just make them confident in 1st place. For instance bullying isn't helpful. Just drive the shit out of people doing so!
 
Ell
I want to make it interactive too. I wonder how I'll do that.
 
user1804599
Should I allow abstract classes that are final?
 
@Ell Is it going to be web-based?
 
user1804599
I don't see why I should restrict that.
 
Straw poll: namespace top { namespace sub { inline namespace v1 {}}} or namespace top { inline namespace v1 { namespace sub {}}} ?
 
12:58 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes abstain
 
Ell
:21552154 I want X, weston, gtk, clutter, cogl, kms, evdev & a load of other libraries/components on there
it's for myself really
@R.MartinhoFernandes former
 
I'm using the former because my ABI currently only exists in the sub namespace, but I'm wondering if it isn't more future-proof to just version things at the toppest possible.
 

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