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12:03 AM
@melak47 Freeze the high poly mesh, then add new distilled geometry to follow the the most important silhouettes/edges of the mesh. Where you have tight angles, you need more edges. And then connect the rest however you'd like with minimal geometry because it's static, non-morphable geometry.
 
First time around, you carve in a volume and the shapes, the "artistic process". You mold it into shape, RAM and polygons be damned. And retopo is: "I know the volume now, I can feel it, now I can optimize the geometry for the enticing features on it".
With characters, you need everything to be properly distributed, eyes, ears, mouth and breasts in particular require cylindrical topology and everything should preferably be quads so that the rigging/skinning process is really tight. And there's also subdivision, triangles create nasty vortices which are bad if they're not needed. For example, nipples are a place where they're welcome.
@melak47 Forgot to mention, Modo, Maya & co. have retopo tools where you can "draw" the topology directly onto the surface. In the old days, you had to manually do it. Here, you just draw in geometry where you need it with high precision and it'll take the closest depth's coordinates from the underlying high poly mesh.
 
@ElimGarak yeah all kinds of fancy tools. Just wondered how well that worked with hard surface models where you want shit to go in a straight line sometimes and not all wibbly wobbly :D
 
@ElimGarak I feel bad that too many of these checkboxes applies to my old age.
 
I think Maya is a headache-free 3D modeling software, I've worked on 3dMax & Maya
 
12:13 AM
@melak47 It's time consuming. The first time I heard the notion I was disturbed. "So, I spend 6 hours to make it. And then 3 more hours to draw on it again? Why not do it right the first time?" And the artist looked at me and said "Good luck with that."
 
@ElimGarak It cant be the KotoR of star trek, the reviews a fucking terrible
 
@Borgleader Bby, you just went all sehe on me :D It's a joke :D
 
Does anybody have any experience for optimizing IO for HD performance? I basically want a cache that uses a ton of ram, and also something that makes sure that I'm writing data in the same way I plan to read it...
Does HDF do any of this?
 
I only use Full HD caches
 
whats that?
 
12:16 AM
a joke
 
@ElimGarak I haven't worked on any 3D models in about 2 years
 
A few days ago, I made the mistake of looking up a reference for modeling (and properly lighting) teeth. Apparently, Google images wants to show me some of the most fucked up shit there is in people's mouths.
 
shoulda googled HEALTHY teeth :D
 
@melak47 lol
 
teeth + healthy -gross -rotten -cavity -fucked :p
 
12:19 AM
@ElimGarak i found a better picture:
 
@Borgleader Is that from Star Trek Online?
 
looks like an arrow head
 
@ElimGarak it has all the signs.
 
That was also a magnificent fail of a game, 4.5/10 and I bought it at a premium price. And now it is freemium.
 
12:20 AM
@ElimGarak I think I still have the original box, including shrink wrapped shitty t-shirt
 
you know what game's failure I disliked a lot
warhammer online
the one mmo that had the lore to compete with wow's
:<
(for obv reasons)
 
be careful when googling things, if you mix random words together, you might end up with things you'll wish you never googled, like stuff you find in the deep web
 
also, dafuq is with Wildstar Online. Former Blizzard employees and they end up making an uhm... Warcraft Goblin-lore and art direction inspired universe. And it does nothing (?) new.
 
@ElimGarak Most MMOs have done nothing new since WoW.
 
And they can't even get off the hook on "being scared to do something new because profits". Literally, not doing anything new and you'll be bankrupt inside a year, trying to salvage the game, offering players $1 million if they log in.
 
12:23 AM
@ElimGarak I will never become bankrupt
 
@ElimGarak hey that sounds like TESO :p
 
@melak47 thatsthejoke.tga
 
TESO - "pay 2 play... We pay you to play."
 
LotRO was a carbon copy. And a bunch of lesser known one. Age of Conan had interesting combat mechanics and cool base building mechanics but ultimately lack of content and bugs ruined it.
 
TESO would've been great if it werent so shallow about everything
 
12:24 AM
SWToR has very good story content, but is ultimately a standard mmo.
 
@Borgleader Age of Conan was being sold as a DX10 title. And DX10 was actually just an interface unification effort, almost nothing new. :D
 
@ElimGarak Have you played it?
 
@Borgleader Yeah, with a buddy. Generic af.
In essence, the things they did differently was explicitly to not do the same thing as WoW. And those decisions were usually bad because WoW did those things for a reason.
 
I played it too, the day/night mode of the first 20 levels was a neat idea. It helped alleviate the "you are the chosen one vs seeing everyone else do the same shit as you" syndrome a lot of MMOs have. And the combat was better. I liked the combo stuff.
 
It was also one of the first 3rd person MMOs to look good. IIRC
 
12:26 AM
The base building thing was neat, but riddled with bugs unfortunately.
@ElimGarak Eh, I thought a lot of the areas looked bland as shit. It had a lot of polys but ultimately I didnt think it looked that good.
 
Ah, that's the art direction failure. Strong art direction mean the world to stuff looking good. You can have the best engine, miss the art direction and you're fucked. It's one of the most terrifying things in graphics for me.
 
I know that, its tech was good but the result wasnt.
 
Unfortunately people think, that more polygons = better looks, unconditionally
Abandon polygons, use TUIs only
 
@Borgleader Yeah, I hoped for it to be good. The early hype train was really attractive.
I just remembered that LotRO had those instruments you could play like the lute. Pretty much the only reason I logged in.
 
12:30 AM
Modeling RTS structures is really difficult. I wanted to do a bird's eye perspective mockup of an RTS, but it's hella difficult. For example, tribal development level, I don't know how to even... And cramming a lot of details just creates a crapload of aliasing up top.
 
— We've got a gigantic world, with thousands of unique quests and an awesome community!
— Nope, gonna play me some lute
 
@Borgleader FF14 points out that you are one of many chosen ones :P
 
In EVE Online, the game says... Actually, it doesn't say anything. It's real life as fuck. Throws you in there and you become a regular citizen, a pawn of the old guard, a handful of players controlling the universe.
 
@ElimGarak Spreadsheet online.
 
@Borgleader a.k.a. every MMO ever
 
12:33 AM
runescape doesn't tell you shit
 
EVE Online "be who you want" marketing campaign has an *. "except someone who matters".
 
it's a series of quests each with its own storyline
 
@ElimGarak It's a metaphor for real life
 
@ElimGarak Being someone who matters in Eve is a matter of luck and a lot of play time.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What
 
12:34 AM
Many years ago, a "veteran" player told me of other players who were so rich they didnt know what to do with their money so they played games of poker and wagered insane sums of isk on them.
 
@AngryShoe What's the problem with the code?
 
They could also fund the building of a titan on their own.
 
what's a titan
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Why is it returning a Just when an exception is being thrown and it should return a nothing?
 
@AlexM. the 4 biggest ships on this chart
 
12:36 AM
@AlexM. Also, the time it takes to build one, the effort, the resources and the skill learning was literally human years.
 
@AngryShoe Ah, misread :: as concat
 
People actually invested years into that shit. That's terrifying to me.
 
(concating with a type makes no sense, I should sleep)
 
so like if someone can't normally fund it
who owns it?
 
A "guild"
 
12:36 AM
@AlexM. An alliance of corporations of players
 
is real life too simple for these popele or sth
 
It pretty much is RL to them, a decade in. :D
 
Woah, goonswarm is still around?
 
xxxDeathMLGXXX
 
Yeah, everyone is still around. They're just renaming and rebranding. Test Alliance Please Ignore is now something else.
 
12:38 AM
I spent a few weeks in an alliance that owned the Fountain region. Then the leader of the alliance quit the game and the whole thing went to hell. Something something Parrot I think his name was.
 
The Initiative, I think. Down south are the Russians.
 
Shadow of xXDEATHXx, and .. Get Off My Lawn
 
The amount of investment those guys have, if they shut down EVE tomorrow, there would be suicides.
Kids With Guns are dicks
 
The name screams "were douchebags"
 
EVE's entire community are dicks. Most douchebag memes in games are born in those fluffy regions.
 
12:42 AM
Hello, I know this is not related to C++ but I am a recent software engineering graduate, and i was wonder if I can ask some career advice on here because I am having trouble with something
 
@Ogen Sure, speak your mind.
 
> Basically, UAxDEATH is just a huge bro. Space important people like The Mittani and Grath Telkin both have publicly declared great respect for him. XIX has been on good terms with the CFC and PL since their fallout out with Solar. N3 took Solar's space so being friendly with their rivals was a rather obvious choice to make.
this is like a real lore
but with characters with autistic names
 
@AlexM. The lore of EVE Online is based on player deeds.
It's actually "official". The Great War was completely instigated by players. They talk in-character on the forums. Have alliance press releases. And once a year, the entire nullsec squad comes to the fanfest in Iceland, where they actually hold talks on how to play the game. And party with the devs.
 
OK so here is what has happened. I have recently accepted a job offer at Orion Health, I begin work on the 18th January.
The only problem is, the job is far away from home. I am currently in contact with another company called Gentrack because their job is very close to where I currently live. I have a second and final technical interview with them on the 12th of January. Should I bother going to it? Because I have to catch a plane on the 14th to go start working at Orion. But at the same time, I would prefer to work at Gentrack because I won't have to move out and pay extra money for rent.
 
I was in this corp i cant recall which alliance it was part of though.
 
12:48 AM
@Ogen If you can score a job somewhere closer, don't feel bad about it.
 
It's okay to think about yourself. You owe them nothing. But don't burn your bridges before you're sure.
 
@ElimGarak Yeah but the main problem is: I won't have an offer from Gentrack before I start working at Orion Health so if I leave Orion Health now, there is a chance I won't get the Gentrack job so that is a big risk. I might end up with no job lol
 
@Ogen Wellp, if it's your first job, you might want to play it safe for now. You're the only one who can decide whether the gains at Gentrack outweigh the risks. You need to weigh your salaries, rent, social impact and we don't have access to that data. :D Not to mention the stuff you'll be working on.
 
Oh I'm a carebear too. The only op I ever did there were 80 of us and it was on an undeffended station a few systems away
 
12:56 AM
i dont even know which company is etter
better
Orion Health or Gentrack
 
Orion health GENtrak -> Ogen. What a coincidence
 
@Borgleader haha, maybe im supposed to work at both companies at the same time!
 
so how easy is it to get into eve online
@ElimGarak
on a scale from 1-10
 
-20
 
coz im sure it will drop to 5 eur again on sale
 
@Borgleader <- @AlexM.
 
k
 
1:16 AM
@AlexM. Uhm, EVE Online is free, subs costs :D
 
so im paying for Buy EVE Online - Core Starter Pack
 
@AlexM. Ah, could be useful
If you guys start playing, I could also reactivate my toon
 
> When a player quits EVE and goes to WoW, the average IQ in both games increases.
lol
 
hahahahahahaha
 
@ElimGarak I might give it a try once I get back home but that'll be in january
for now, sleep
cya
 
1:19 AM
night bby
 
1:30 AM
night
 
Niight
 
knight
 
For real? 1GB of update? What the hell?
 
looks like it is a blizzard product, starcraft?
 
I don't know, the Battle.net client I guess
Oh no, it's Heartstone
 
1:41 AM
guy takes revenge on his gf for cheating
 
oh, wow
 
That's one dead guy.
 
> My ex got a lot of dildo, for the revenge, i put each of dildos inside my anus
Internet today.
 
Fuck, I need more global state. My function arguments are going past 8 items.
Maybe throw everything into a class.
 
1:47 AM
How are classa formed
 
@AngryShoe Woah, how do you even get roped into it with that one in the first place
Star Wars, opening weekend $517M. Meanwhile, GTA V $800M first day.
lol, The Division leaks, downgraded as fuck ahahaha
What a surprise.
 
2:16 AM
@AngryShoe Probably a stupid question, but are you by any chance Jeffrey Yaskin?
 
He's Italian, hardly a proper name for him :P
 
@Columbo What? No. Who's that?
 
@AngryShoe I've seen his name several times now, just google "Jeffrey Yasskin C++"
(This guy)
 
@Columbo He seems like a smart guy. He has a bunch of posts and papers on C++.
 
2:40 AM
Meanwhile in @Xeo's shower:
 
@Borgleader Tony posted that earlier.
 
Damn :(
 
Also, proof that all cats are trying to plan to kill you.
Okay.
I think I'm closer to ready for this Physics final.
@ElimGarak HIT ME!
With some (INTRODUCTORY) Physics questions!
 
You can dot eet :D
ok, i have to go to bed now, waking up for work tomorrow is going to be rough
 
@Borgleader Ooor go to bed, bed is good.
 
2:45 AM
@Borgleader Holy shit that's cute
 
@ThePhD I wake up at 5AM le sigh
 
@Borgleader RIP.
Wait, I thought your commute got shorter.... ????
 
By 10 min, I get up 30 min earlier and get to work 40 min earlier
 
That's....
Uh.
That's an interesting tradeoff.
 
10 min is 10 min man
 
2:47 AM
Is being on the bus that bad?
... Who am I kidding, transportation sucks all the dicks.
Fuck those 10 minutes on the bus. \o/
Good night.
 
hi
@ThePhD awh
 
@jaggedSpire Huh?
... Are you trying to make cute noises to suck me into the way of the catface?!
IT WON'T WORK
I WILL NOT BE PERSUAADEED.
 
@ThePhD I just get on and you're leaving. u_u
 
@jaggedSpire Oh, no. I just got here.
 
@ThePhD Yay!
:)
 
2:58 AM
I was saying goodnight to the most handsome of developers to grace the face of the earth, @Borgleader.
I myself am studying Physics, since the midterm is tomorrow and I'm reviewing everything.
 
@Borgleader night
 
I think I remember how SHM works, I know Hooke's law and Hooke's constant...
 
@ThePhD ah, thank you for pointing that out
 
Only thing I'm messing up is Potential and Kinetic Energy, which is pretty fucking important.
It's nearly a goddamn foundational concept.
 
yes
@Borgleader :D
 
3:01 AM
u.u
I don't wanna do any more practice problems tho.
My fingers q_q
 
@ThePhD make more interesting practice problems
 
I was trying to bait Garak to help me out by asking him to give me interesting introductory physics problems.
But I think I bored him to sleep with that statement alone. :P
 
Ah
oooh
I have one I think you might like
actually no my physics teacher five years ago mentioned it being evil
I..I can't do that to you. ;_;
you could have a look at it though, though I can't really perfectly duplicate it
I know the setup but not the numbers
 
...
Do it to me.
HIT ME.
... It's on Mechanics and Thermodynamics, right?
Not electricity and magnetism?
 
yes
 
3:09 AM
HIT ME.
 
I'm drawing it
I'm just gonna supply the variables and ask you to solve the general case, I have decided
or you can decide the values and solve that
 
Kinky variable-maths.
 
Wait
Omg
I can do
MUMBLE
 
3:21 AM
jagged or PhD, are you from france?
 
Both of us are clearly from France.
I forgot the mumble info.
 
proof or it didn't happen
 
what is the mamble info q_q
 
@ThePhD loungecpp.sehe.nl
 
I figured it o-
Annnd jagged tells me just before I figure it out q_q
I'm 2 slow
 
"Springs"
> Resistors
The electrical-e is strong with this one.
 
oh sush
:P
 
Oh man.
This problem has got me stumped already.
So.
We have a box on two cylinders with two springs
 
yep
 
The last part says we pull the box a distance to the.... side?
... How much are you pulling it by?
 
3:32 AM
x
 
Like, you pull and let it go?
 
yep
 
Oh, okay.
 
it starts distance x from the center
 
Let's set up a free body diagram I guess
 
3:34 AM
I should probably mention that my physics teacher put this up on the board as an example of an evil problem, said it got him in a quandary when he was in college for physics, and then didn't make us solve it
 
...
Oh.
 
I'd probably remember this better if I had
 
Do you know how to solve it?
...
 
no :D
 
Oooh.
That's... uh. Well.
 
3:35 AM
I suspect knowledge of differential equations help here
as in I'm pretty sure you'd have one heck of a time without, though writing a simulation might help
 
....
There's that calculus word again q_q
 
but diffeq is fun!
oh god
I just realized how much of a nerd I am
 
> diffeq is fun!
ONLY just now?
 
I knew I was a nerd, and a massive one but...
there's nerd and then there's nerd
 
You're a nerd.
 
3:38 AM
see, diffeq is what forms the basis for all the fun stuff in signal processing
Also seeing the Laplace transform at work for the first time is like magic
and slogging through the rest of diffeq makes it all the more marvelous
 
s/marvelous/pain-staking
I do agree that much of it is marvelous
But beyond the chain rule, I hate calculus.
The worst is integration by parts.
 
I'm talking about the Laplace transform, which turns differential equations into algebra.
:D
 
Evil is evil, no matter what shape it takes. D:<
I guess the trick here is
to see how far the box moves
 
transient state circuit analysis without: nightmare
transient state circuit analysis with: funland!
 
I mean
 
3:42 AM
@ElimGarak :D
 
I think I have a decent free body diagram for this
I'm going to perish trying to solve it, though.
 
@Borgleader You've always been glorious, friend. :)
 
The force pushing on the box at release is 2kx, where k is the spring constant.
It's pushing in the -x direction
 
@ThePhD don't off yourself with it. What might be fun would be to approach your prof to see how they solve it
 
@jaggedSpire The exam is tomorrow. .-.
But I can still go after I guess.
 
3:44 AM
@ThePhD yep :)
@ThePhD good luck!
 
A 30% increase in my grade for the Midterm 2...
So I mean. I put in work, I really did.
But it's still not a perfect grade.
 
@ThePhD I think people will still hire you if you don't get a 4.0 :)
 
@jaggedSpire But they won't hire me if I don't make it through College.
 
user406009
@ThePhD I am sure you will pass the class.
 
@ThePhD then you should make it through college.
 
user406009
3:50 AM
And when it comes down to it, that's all that really matters.
 
@jaggedSpire I am. I'm trying. It's turning out harder than I expected.
 
user406009
I hope you have the best of luck with that mechanics final.
 
What's really killing me is just....
How much not-computer-science I'm doing.
How much not-programming.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Yep.
 
That and a bunch of unrelated administrative stuff, but.
 
user406009
3:51 AM
It really pisses me off as well.
 
user406009
As far as I can tell, most of college is a waste of time.
 
I'm not necessarily pissed off, it's just that's the part that's easy for me. Every single Computer Science course for me is Easy A's.
 
user406009
That's what I thought until this semester.
 
But I can't get to them without a bunch of core requirements first. And I know that's the policy of a liberal arts school, but wargh.
WAAARGH.
I'm just whining now.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Don't you feel more well rounded?
 
3:52 AM
@jaggedSpire Thanks for the problem, I'll take it to my Professor tomorrow early in the morning.
 
user406009
And not just well rounded from the unhealthy college food :P
 
Well, my college food is fine, so I'm not a terribly fat fuck yet.
If I actually exercised I'd probably have a steely abdomen.
 
@ThePhD :) No problem
 
And strong, broad shoulders.
Mmmnn.
 
@ThePhD whine away, it's therapeutic
 
3:53 AM
Maybe I'd look like someone from Jojo's Bizarre Adventures.
 
you can always experiment
@Lalaland I know I feel very uneven after attending a technical school
 
Mmmn. Muscles.
 
"Humanities department? What's that?"
 
I'm actually
fucking AMAZING at the humanities.
Like. People ask me why I didn't do that.
 
"Ohhhhh are you talking about those people in that building that keep talking about history or something?"
 
3:55 AM
And it's just because... I dunno, I like computer science more, but I always ace all of my humanities class. .-.
 
"Yeah we throw them students sometimes to keep them quiet, but stay away for the most part"
 
GRADUATE LEVEL WRITING COURSE? SOUNDS LIKE AN A- EZ KATKA.
 
@ThePhD I'm the opposite. They generally confound me. :P
 
I ran around with cartwheels in my Music Humanities class.
 
Though history got a lot easier after someone finally told me that "argument" didn't mean I needed to argue
 
3:57 AM
And all of my World Literature and writing courses have just been... I dunno, like. I can't explain it, but writing and that stuff just mostly comes easy to me. Maybe that's why I don't want to pursue it, because it feels like it'd just be a no-effort life.
AND WHAT'S LIFE IF IT'S NOT STRUGGLE, TEARS, AND INSANITY LAUGHTER.
3
 
@ThePhD :)
I quite agree
:3
 
user406009
@ThePhD Well, there is also the fact that there is pretty much no jobs in that sort of thing.
 
user406009
Well, I guess there is law ...
 
user406009
(But that's sorta imploded recently)
 
Not really.
 
3:59 AM
law in the US is overstuffed right now
 
user406009
@ThePhD Not really what?
 
For writers?
 
user406009
@ThePhD Well, why else would we be coding in C++?
 
There's no CLEAR line of work... because unless you're doing technical writing or typing up documentation or editing, you're pretty much left to make your own job.
 

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